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North american free trade agreement

JESSE - 11-11-2011 at 11:31 PM

JESSE - 11-11-2011 at 11:34 PM

Off course, there is always those that don't agree with free trade :spingrin:

mcfez - 11-12-2011 at 12:04 AM

"priceless"......

David K - 11-12-2011 at 12:27 AM

Great photo Jesse... the border at low tide and the great food of Baja going to our border patrol officer!

bacquito - 11-12-2011 at 10:08 AM

Great!

J.P. - 11-12-2011 at 10:16 AM

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Priceless although It may cost him his job if his higher ups see the picture :lol:

DENNIS - 11-12-2011 at 10:21 AM

Jeeeezo....signs in English. More wasted tax dollars.

Udo - 11-12-2011 at 10:23 AM

:?:

norte - 11-12-2011 at 10:27 AM

looks like the one person is about to "moon" the photographer. or maybe the border?

DENNIS - 11-12-2011 at 10:29 AM

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looks like the one person is about to "moon" the photographer. or maybe the border?

I think he's throwing up.

Bajahowodd - 11-15-2011 at 05:26 PM

On some level, this topic may actually be a great forum about international trade. Probably in off-topic.

That said, as long as this remains here on the main board....

Free trade is great for emerging nations, and those countries that host huge populations who are ill-educated.

Problem with free trade in the US in 2011, is that the world is rife with poor and desperate folks, as opposed to a a population that we find in the US, that has a history of being number one. You cannot maintain number one, if you are not willing to accept third world wages and living conditions.

Ateo - 11-15-2011 at 05:32 PM

What's with the wooden construction thingy on the US side?

DENNIS - 11-15-2011 at 05:38 PM

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What's with the wooden construction thingy on the US side?

I think it's a boat launching ramp for the midnight travellers.

woody with a view - 11-15-2011 at 08:36 PM

it's a great fishing pier. in the early winter months the Mexican Brown Trout spawn and throughout the winter until the end of February the hatchlings find their way to the ocean, especially after a rain event....

[Edited on 11-16-2011 by woody with a view]

Pompano - 11-15-2011 at 09:05 PM

I love it, but....No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.

Ateo - 11-15-2011 at 09:32 PM

Just wondering what that wood thing is..".. :bounce:

tripledigitken - 11-15-2011 at 10:02 PM

It's a temporary construction bridge or haul bridge.

Bajatripper - 11-16-2011 at 10:06 AM

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Free trade is great for emerging nations, and those countries that host huge populations who are ill-educated.

Actually, according to the data, "free trade" (it really isn't), has devastated developing nations. An example that comes to mind is Mexican farmers having to compete against the government-subsidized American agribusiness model.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/193581-secret-farm-bill-pr...

You are on the money when it comes to the US having to accept Third World wages in order to compete these days. But that was the plan all along.

[Edited on 11-17-2011 by Bajatripper]

DENNIS - 11-16-2011 at 10:22 AM

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"He?" Sure not what I woulda thought... :?:

Well....you can take your cues from either the ball cap, or the denim leotards. Or both. :lol:

elgatoloco - 11-16-2011 at 10:36 AM

South Bay Ocean Outfall

That 'pier' was part of the construction of the SBOO.

During the construction I was seated on a flight out of Lindbergh next to the guy who "drove" the boring machine that was digging the tunnel. He told me that they worked 14 hours a day for ten days straight then got four days off and he was flying to Vegas to meet his wife for R&R. He also told me that the multimillion(s) dollar boring machine would be left at the site. They would finish the tunnel then back the machine up a few hundred feet and then bore out an angle and leave it to Neptune.

DENNIS - 11-16-2011 at 04:19 PM

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I was going by shape and body language. No way of knowing for sure, (unless Jesse was there), but I'd say early adolescent girl.

Not me. I would say....sexually confused man, who was just savagely molested by a fat US border cop, dripping with weapons and a voracious appetite.
He was trying to clear his throat from the foul taste of wasted tax dollars.

Bajahowodd - 11-16-2011 at 04:41 PM

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Free trade is great for emerging nations, and those countries that host huge populations who are ill-educated.

Actually, according to the data, "free trade" (it really isn't), has devastated developing nations. An example that comes to mind is Mexican farmers having to compete against the government-subsidized American agribusiness model.

You are on the money when it comes to the US having to accept Third World wages in order to compete these days. But that was the plan all along.

On the other hand, when shopping in the US, it seems that a large amount of Mexican produce is available in virtually all major markets, at what appear to be competitive prices.

Comes to mind both the Los Pinos operation in San Quintin, and the Los Cabos cooperative near Todos.

I'm guessing that the victims in this situation are the underpaid workers.

pappy - 11-17-2011 at 01:28 PM

how do we know it's actually food being exchanged in that photo?

JESSE - 11-17-2011 at 01:31 PM

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how do we know it's actually food being exchanged in that photo?

Maybe its some sniffy yeyo :lol:

Bajatripper - 11-18-2011 at 12:05 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Free trade is great for emerging nations, and those countries that host huge populations who are ill-educated.

Actually, according to the data, "free trade" (it really isn't), has devastated developing nations. An example that comes to mind is Mexican farmers having to compete against the government-subsidized American agribusiness model.

You are on the money when it comes to the US having to accept Third World wages in order to compete these days. But that was the plan all along.

You are right in this observation. But what doesn't get seen is that much of the production in Mexican agriculture is being financed by transnational corporations, which are highly mechanized.

While in Baja California they didn't displace many people (if any) to put lands into production, the same can't be said of regions such as the Bajio in Central Mexico, where lands that were historically used to feed Mexicans have been taken over by these operations and are now producing for the foreign market. Hence, less food is being produced in Mexico for Mexicans, making Mexicans depend on imported food, the production of which is heavily subsidized by foreign governments (the US isn't the only industrialized nation that doesn't respect the "no government assitance" clauses of trade deals like NAFTA).

When mechanized agricultural operations (Green Revolution technology developed in the 1950s onward that is reliant on heavy inputs of pesticides and fertilizers and needs much more water than the crops it replaces, placing it out of the reach of your average Mexican farmer) take over lands previously used for small-scale farming operations, a collateral effect is it also displaces the Mexicans who use to work those lands ("mechanized" means they no longer need so many workers). They, in turn, have no choice but to migrate elsewhere, swelling the "colonias populares" of places like Mexico City or, better yet, they go north to the US. Then "we" complain about all the Mexicans who are in the US illegally, yet our unfair (remember those US government subsidies) agricultural system is the direct cause of much of that movement of people.

These companies often operate through Mexican subsidiaries so they don't take so much heat in their doings.

Cypress - 11-18-2011 at 12:22 PM

Free trade? Will we never learn? Nothing in this day and age is really "free". Someone is picking up the tab. The question is who? Take a look in the mirror. :spingrin:

Cypress - 11-18-2011 at 03:57 PM

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You have any idea on how much of that is GMO crops? My understanding is that the Mexican government has tried to limit their incursion, but this is big international money talking... (and backed in various ways by the U.S. government, I imagine...)

Yea. The Mexican govt. is all about keeping GMO crops off the market. :biggrin:

Bajatripper - 11-18-2011 at 08:38 PM

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You have any idea on how much of that is GMO crops? My understanding is that the Mexican government has tried to limit their incursion, but this is big international money talking... (and backed in various ways by the U.S. government, I imagine...)

Sorry, my articles are a bit dated and don't include GMO info.

wessongroup - 11-19-2011 at 06:36 AM

Yep would sure like to see the Supreme Court take this one up... however, they won't touch it with a ten foot pole...

Life cannot have a patent on it ... IMHO .. .

Montsanto and others started buying up all the seed Companies back in the 70's ... with heated debate and no solutions...

Again we can thank Congress .... yeah, those guys..

Now let's see, which party can we try and place blame on ... :lol:

[Edited on 11-19-2011 by wessongroup]