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You AIN'T gunna believe this one....

CasaManzana - 11-14-2011 at 02:01 PM

While the rest of us prop our feet up, with beer in hand, to watch the big game, this French couple, mid-20somethings, with two kids (almost 3 and almost 5) started their bicycle trip early summer in Canada. Here they are at Posada Concepcion having lunch. They expect to reach Guatemala by next June. They make about 4 hours travel/day, and usually broken in half for the kids to exercise an hour or so. They almost always camp- rarely a motel.



Earlier trips have been through Greece and Italy. They have a website which may take a few attempts to work-

http://www.eveilnomade.fr/

Puckdrop - 11-14-2011 at 02:08 PM

Yup, were a tough lot I tells ya:biggrin:
That's what we call being a " Voyageur ", oui, oui

[Edited on 11-14-2011 by Puckdrop]

David K - 11-14-2011 at 02:09 PM

Good for them! :bounce:

While I consider bike riding on Hwy. 1 crazy... and with kids in trailers disturbing, that these parents are bonding with their children like this instead of handing them off to government schools to do their duty, is wonderful.

I guess if they were in an RV or SUV, I would be happier! :light:

Puckdrop - 11-14-2011 at 02:12 PM

Hey David, at least they didn't bring their dog with them !
It would have been one hell of a walk for him.

bacquito - 11-14-2011 at 02:15 PM

Great, somthing to talk about for the rest of their lives!

sancho - 11-14-2011 at 02:29 PM

I bicycle on Coast Hwy so. Orange Co., Ca, I often
talk to the Bike Travellers going so., espicially this
time of yr., when the Baja Desert isn't so hot,
months back, there was a very
similiar couple, kids in a trailer behind the bikes, they
were headed to Brazil to start a new life.
Made my feel kinda sedentary

DianaT - 11-14-2011 at 02:36 PM

I am sure we passed them on our way north and everyone, including little old fat ladies in Red Hondas :biggrin: slowed down and gave them lots of room.

I hope they will have nothing but great memories. I still worry about bikes in Baja when I see this.



But, it sounds like they are very experienced and I wish them well. Wait until they see how crazy the drivers in Guatemala are! But then again, I have heard that they are just as crazy in the places they have already been. I wish them well.

DK---it really is not necessary for you to slip in your snide political remarks on every thread. :no::no:

rhintransit - 11-14-2011 at 02:59 PM

only two kids? I met a couple last year with three kids on two tandem bikes, one behind dad, one in a bob behind dad and older brother, and one behind mom.

djh - 11-14-2011 at 03:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DianaT
DK---it really is not necessary for you to slip in your snide political remarks on every thread. :no::no:


Wow, no kidding. It does get a bit old.... And, DK, there is likely not a Nomad around here who doesn't already know your often-stated views. . . .

BTW, I know you as a helpful and generous Nomad.... THAT speaks tons more about you (to me, anyway) than your CPR (Chronic Political Rants), amigo.

My brother Bruce, and his brother-in-law, father-in-law, and (ex) wife rode their bicycles all the way across Canada, from Prince Rupert, BC to Portland, Maine....

Feats like this make me feel like a sissy....

Good for them and I hope they make it safely and have lifetimes of memories!


d

elfbrewery - 11-14-2011 at 03:22 PM

Seen several families do long trips like the ones described, families moving or just experiencing life in the slow lane. If they made it through California and survived the log trucks, they should make Guatemala. Been there, done that!

Bob and Susan - 11-14-2011 at 03:30 PM

i saw them today cresting the micro-wave mountain...

i thought the girl was ready to die...

i wondered where they would end and if they would fly home....

what a trek

Posada-BushPilot - 11-14-2011 at 03:51 PM

DK,
I wanna go fishin with you. You get bites on every cast.

Gotta love it.

danaeb - 11-14-2011 at 03:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Good for them! :bounce:

While I consider bike riding on Hwy. 1 crazy... and with kids in trailers disturbing, that these parents are bonding with their children like this instead of handing them off to government schools to do their duty, is wonderful.

I guess if they were in an RV or SUV, I would be happier! :light:


Do you consider driving on US 'government roads' crazy?

motoged - 11-14-2011 at 04:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by djh
Quote:
Originally posted by DianaT
DK---it really is not necessary for you to slip in your snide political remarks on every thread. :no::no:


Wow, no kidding. It does get a bit old....
My brother Bruce, and his brother-in-law, father-in-law, and (ex) wife rode their bicycles all the way across Canada, from Prince Rupert, BC


Damn !!!! How did they survive spending so much time in a horrible culture like that evil Canadian socialist dump???


:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

mcfez - 11-14-2011 at 04:03 PM

GREAT for the adults to do this!!!!!!!! What idiots are they to drag their kids.....babies....down highways that are drunk infested, trucks and careless drivers. ......much less secluding them from a firm social surrounding (called family - friends) that is vital to rearing a child. Nothing is stationary for them

"almost 3 and almost 5" year olds wont benefit from this sort of odyssey. Buy a or rent a Baja house/hut for a year or ten...with the kids. It's stable.


Go for a few weeks...sure.

mtgoat666 - 11-14-2011 at 04:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mcfez
GREAT for the adults to do this!!!!!!!! What idiots are they to drag their kids.....babies....down highways that are drunk infested, trucks and careless drivers. ......much less secluding them from a firm social surrounding (called family - friends) that is vital to rearing a child. Nothing is stationary for them

"almost 3 and almost 5" year olds wont benefit from this sort of odyssey. Buy a or rent a Baja house/hut for a year or ten...with the kids. It's stable.


you mean it takes a village? sounds like socialism!

Bajahowodd - 11-14-2011 at 04:32 PM

I'm convinced, that for reasons unknown, many Europeans appear to exhibit a greater sense of adventure than do us Americans.

A couple of years ago, we shared a panga out on the Laguna San Ignacio on a whale expedition with a couple from Austria. Granted, they were riding motorcycles as opposed to bikes, but when we met them, they had already been in Argentina, where they had flown to from Austria to begin their Western Hemisphere journey.

They rode up from Argentina, heading, ultimately to Vancouver.

They were in their early twenties.

They spoke better Spanish than we did, and were also fluent in English.

Inasmuch as they were headed North, we offered them a stay at our place which is just about four miles from Disneyland. They had told us they were planning to visit Disneyland.

Unfortunately, they must have decided that we were unsavory folks and never called us. :lol:

But, my point is that it really seems to me that people from many foreign lands appear to be way more curious and interested about the rest of the world, than do Americans.

vgabndo - 11-14-2011 at 04:45 PM

What I remember from being 5 years old doesn't amount to much. This unconventional form of "nurture" may result in a different kind of adult behavior. I doubt that there is much to be lost in experimenting with new ways to prepare children for the 21st. century perils. If they grow up with a "nomadic" trait, it may be of excellent survival value during their lives.

If they survive the hungry mouth of the highways, I'd like to know what they are doing 15 years from now.:?:

Russ - 11-14-2011 at 04:59 PM

I'm really glad they have survived. I'm pretty sure I passed then about 2 weeks ago on the way back. There is absolutely no way you, a truck and they could share the road side by side. Those kid pods they're towing take a lot of the road Of course if you see them the drivers will make adjustments but on the curvy parts it's a frightening thought!

David K - 11-14-2011 at 05:14 PM

Roads with NO shoulders, no matter what country, that is also used by semis and RVs towing boats and buggies, is a craZy place to ride a bike (with you child pulled behind watching as death approaches).

If it works for them, great. The family being together outweighs all else.


[Edited on 11-15-2011 by David K]

dirtbikr - 11-14-2011 at 05:27 PM

I'll give them a high five for an adventure spirit, but for endangering their childrens lives, they are just not thinking! , having numerous close call on hywy 1, (including shattering my side mirror with a big rig, when passing me) try driving then with no side mirror, many times there is just no place to go when vehiciles get close. I hope they stay lucky!

Pompano - 11-14-2011 at 05:28 PM



A nice young couple..with two VERY active children...boy and girl. I met them on Nov 8th between San Ignacio and Santa Rosalia at...where else? Kilometer 63!








I overtook them after taking these three pictures of them. They were being very cautious of all traffic, including yours truly. I tapped a beep, they waved.

Would I let my grandchildren do this? Not on your life...BUT... I can't speak for these parents, and they do seem to have it together. I wish them LUCK AND LONG LIFE.


About 3 miles futher down the road I had stopped for a lunch break..and they came pedaling up and joined me for a bite. Then off we went...some of us a little faster than others.

Oddly enough, I met them again in Mulege yesterday at Cuesta Real Park where they were tent-camped for a couple days. Hah...I again had a snack with them when I offered them some baked goodies from Costco, San Diego. (Arghh..those things are deelicious, but swarming in calories...and what the French family did not eat, I gave away to another resident of the park.)

I believe they are now on their way south...Say Hi to Coyote Bay, mon amis.

p.s. Bajahoward, I can't agree with the notion that American youths are not as adventurous as European youths. Seems about the same to me...at least from my own experiences as a rambunctous youngster and a traveler today.

A friend, Randy of course, and I met many other American kids in the wild 60's , mixed in with the world's youth on the move....we went to many places on a shoestring....Spain, Italy, Mexico, Africa, Asia (Tibet, Nepal, India, Iran, and more)..met kids of all European nations and always somebody from Indiana, LA, or Colorado.. we were all the same kids, no matter your country of origin. Yes, indeed....it sure seemed like all the world's youth was on the move back then. We had a ball ...AND.....


....thank God we survived those times!

I still remember the lessons learned...eat rice and at any Mom & Pops, avoid salads. Never turn down se....welllll, nuff said bout that..






[Edited on 11-15-2011 by Pompano]

DianaT - 11-14-2011 at 05:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
As for the political sidebar... ignoring me will be your best bet to letting it pass. I am not as old as Skeet, but I do have strong feelings about America and children, none-the-less:


Rule number one ---- listed

Authorized Use Policy:

1. Topics within the BajaNomad.com forums will pertain the Baja California, Mexico peninsula.

So, since you just stated that you have no intention of stopping the insertion of your political crap because you can be ignored, then will you also please ignore it when people post larger pictures than you prefer and allow people to spell things the way they see fit?

Seems like a reasonable compromise. Or maybe next we should all start inserting our religious and or spiritual beliefs.

Glad you care about America and children, I think all of us do----ok, for the Canuks, it is Canada and children. :biggrin:

On edit---when you do a political rant, you should at least give the author of that rant credit---in this case, it was Limbaugh's rant.

[Edited on 11-15-2011 by DianaT]

Posada-BushPilot - 11-14-2011 at 09:25 PM

I love this thread

Really great discussion. Like the original poster, Casa Manzana stated "Think about this one" and your responses reflect that suggestion.

My thoughts are varied.

First, I think I know the poster to be a very thoughtful guy. I can give you an example of his intellect, that is so obvious in his original post. Notice that he kept his distance while taking the pics, AND he is upwind. Very smart. God knows the last time these folks had a bath.

Got to be impressed with these young folks ambition. One must wonder how they are financing this adventure. But not any of my business.

Is this what Charles Darwin was talking about? If they survive will they be the "fitest" or is this natures way of managing the gene pool.

Just because something is "legal" doesn't mean it really makes any sense.

What is going thru peoples minds that think it safe, not for the bike riders, or the folks that share the road with them, that riding a bike on a two lane road with RVs. big rigs, and autos, is a prudent decision. Way beyond my comprehension. If they feel the risk is worth the reward, then god bless them. The truth is they are so short sited and selfish because they have no consideration for ohers they are putting at risk on the Hwy. Hope they are enjoying their little thrill.

We have all done stuff in our youth that seemed to be a good idea at the time, and I like to think I learned from my many bad decisions. But when one brings prodigy into the world, does that not change things a little? So, question is would these young parents, if in the USA, be charged with child endangerment?

I wish them the best of luck and pray there is no tradagy. Not something I would want to witness.:no:

jakecard - 11-14-2011 at 10:22 PM

"Hey, you got your car stuck to my bicycle!"

"No, you got your bicycle stuck to my car!"

And so it goes. That's modernity for you.







Jake

motoged - 11-14-2011 at 10:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Posada-B..... The truth is they are so short sited and selfish because they have no consideration for ohers they are putting at risk on the Hwy....


Is this "the Truth"....or just your opinion?:?:

DENNIS - 11-14-2011 at 11:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Pompano




Calling insanity "adventurous."




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David K - 11-15-2011 at 12:33 AM

:lol::lol::lol:

April fools!

political crap removed (well, most of it)














[Edited on 11-15-2011 by David K]

mcfez - 11-15-2011 at 07:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
:lol::lol::lol:

April fools!

political crap removed (well, most of it)


[Edited on 11-15-2011 by David K]
:

I would like to protest your use of the word crap. Please be politically correct, use septic or feces please.

Also...what BN fools are you referring too....that were born in April?







:lol:

MitchMan - 11-15-2011 at 08:34 AM

Taking two young kids on such a trip and family traveling together that way has some really great aspects to it. It makes them special people and sets a footing for fabulous orientation for the kids. As someone eluded to earlier on this thread, many Americans aren't traveled enough. All my life in USA, I have known people that see the world thru Orange County California eyes only. That is not good.

HOWEVER, looking at those three photos of that family riding their bikes on that Baja road, well, that is just plain dangerous. When I saw those photos, I got a cold chill running down my spine. I have driven the length of the Baja round trip about 5 times over the last 13 years and, in my opinion, all things considered, I would never consider doing it with kids in tow like they are doing. Too dangerous. There will be so many drivers in cars, trucks and RVs very big and small that will be passing them very fast and slow, all it takes is one of those drivers to not be paying attention or making a misjudgement OR the family commiting just one misjudgement upon being passed for a tragedy to happen. Statistically, that's got to be a time bomb.

Some people, humans, can be very disciplined and consistently keep their focus, that's certainly possible MOST ALL THE TIME, but not every single time, all the time. Also, that couple has absolutely no control over the passing drivers or whatever those drivers' level of disciplne and focus may be.

Futhermore, what is the plan if someone does get hurt out there on the road? How far does first aid go to cover a truly disastrous situation? What will be the availability, immediacy, adequacy, and sufficiency of medical help on the road? I wonder, have they thought this through? Do they know their medical options at every point on their trip? Is there cell phone coverage at every foot of the trip? Are their cell phones charged up all the time? I can see an adult guy or gal taking on this risk on their own, but putting your young family thru the risks inherent in this long trip is another thing.

Nope, too risky.

kiterkip - 11-15-2011 at 08:49 AM

You are correct! I DON'T believe this. Insanity. Stupidity. Just plain nuts.

DianaT - 11-15-2011 at 08:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
:lol::lol::lol:

April fools!

political crap removed (well, most of it)


[Edited on 11-15-2011 by David K]



Thank you---good to see Rush Limbaugh's rant removed -- it is a good start.

[Edited on 11-15-2011 by DianaT]

Mulegena - 11-15-2011 at 09:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DianaT
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
:lol::lol::lol:

April fools!

political crap removed (well, most of it)


[Edited on 11-15-2011 by David K]



Thank you---good to see Rush Limbaugh's rant removed -- it is a good start.

[Edited on 11-15-2011 by DianaT]

Lush Schrimshaw!
The official court jester?
No one takes that drivel cereal-- uh, seriously, in this day and age, do they? (did they ever?)

Bajaboy - 11-15-2011 at 09:13 AM

half the people complaining about this probably feed their kids coke, drive too fast, and eat at McDonalds....give it a break.

Bicho - 11-15-2011 at 09:26 AM

Attention Seeking Behavior

Cyclists or Critics: Who fits?

1. Selectively friendly...sickly sweet to some / rude and offhand to others.

2. capitolizes on issues and uses them as a soapbox for gaining attention.

3. misappropriates others statements in an attempt to control, especially anything which can be misconstructed as politically incorrect.

4. shows a lot of indignation.

5. easily provoked.

6. constantly tries and will do almost anything to be in the spotlight.

7. focus in life is to be the center of attention.

Check your mirrors You may have won the prize!

Bikers on Highways

Pompano - 11-15-2011 at 10:05 AM


These are various highway bikers (or should I say bicyclists?) I have photographed all around the North American continent.

Since the pavement went in back in 72-73, the Baja Road became open to whoever wanted to make the trip.

Personally, I have not heard of any bicycle fatalities on The Baja Road...yet. I sincerely hope that situation continues.

Review the pictures and draw your own conclusions....if any.


Most recent.




Conception Bay. Joggers and walkers using The Baja Road.


Typical hills and curves coming into Conception Bay from either direction.



Gold Beach, Oregon Coast Road.



North & South Dakota are biker, walker friendly.




Spokane area, Washington




The Baja Road


We biked all over Alaska and the Yukon….puff, puff, puff….I was re-ended by a musk-ox.


US roads have bike lanes almost everywhere these days.



Get Your Kicks..on Route 66!




Oceanside, Ca and Oregon Coast…bike lanes.





And now back to Baja....
















BELOW ARE TWO VERY SAFE AND ‘REASONABLY-SANE’ BIKERS. :rolleyes:





MAKE VOYAGES...ATTEMPT THEM! THERE IS LITTLE ELSE.





[Edited on 11-15-2011 by Pompano]

elgatoloco - 11-15-2011 at 10:14 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajaboy
half the people complaining about this probably feed their kids coke, drive too fast, and eat at McDonalds....give it a break.


Word! :yes:

motoged - 11-15-2011 at 10:51 AM

Pompano,





Yeah....a lot of good our "relative sanity" was...:lol::lol::lol:

Off the highway, eh???










Walking and riding on a broken leg for 10 days before surgery....adventurous???...Yep, you betcha !!




Read all about it....(yes, David....still milking the story :biggrin:):


http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=666961

Pompano - 11-15-2011 at 11:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by motoged








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Yeee...Y-Ouch! Nice trip souvenir!

Barry A. - 11-16-2011 at 11:18 AM

BajaTripper said, "My sister's a teacher in California, so I'm aware of many of the issues she faces while doing the best she can with what she's given to work with."

And I say-------my daughter-in-law teaches in a public school in CA in Oroville, CA and she makes north of $65K a year------enough to support her husband and 2 small kids, a nice home they are buying, and two cars, and my son is a stay-at-home Dad, raising the two kids.

Just how much "renumeration" does a teacher need, in your opinion???

Barry

Barry A. - 11-16-2011 at 12:13 PM

to get back on Topic-------On the bicyclists with kids running the "Mex 1" gauntlet??? I too think they are nuts and irresponsible, but I wish them all the luck available in their quest and journey and pray the kids and/or their parents survive.

Barry

Ateo - 11-16-2011 at 12:25 PM

This "biking with children" down the transpeninsular ain't nothing. I do this in all the time in Baja - but at night! Thats what seperates the man from the coward.

Kidding....

805gregg - 11-17-2011 at 06:40 PM

The French are just nuts, I read a book (Africa Trek) about acouple Alexandre & Sonia Poussin that walked from South Africa to The Sea of Galilee, staying and eating with people along the way. At least they didn't take their poor children on this stunt.

Barry A. - 11-17-2011 at 07:12 PM

I have a friend that bicycled from Cape Town to Cairo, but he was alone-------no little kids. He sure had a lot of stories to tell. :o

And we have a couple that are very good friends, both in their '60's, that are just completeing a bicycle trip from San Diego to Cape Hatteras--------they have 250 miles to go as of tonight. They never know where they will be, or who they will stay with each night---------I think they are nuts, but this is the third trip like this they have done------------they sure stay in shape, tho.

Barry

[Edited on 11-18-2011 by Barry A.]

Pompano - 11-17-2011 at 08:12 PM

BAJA ROAD BIKER SARCASM:

Some days you're the windshield; some days you're the bug.

motoged - 11-17-2011 at 09:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
--------I think they are nuts, but this is the third trip like this they have done------------[Edited on 11-18-2011 by Barry A.]


That is the kind of "nuts" that allows some of us to appreciate Baja. :biggrin:

Ateo - 11-17-2011 at 09:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Pompano
BAJA ROAD BIKER SARCASM:

Some days you're the windshield; some days you're the bug.


Perfect.

DianaT - 11-17-2011 at 09:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ateo
Quote:
Originally posted by Pompano
BAJA ROAD BIKER SARCASM:

Some days you're the windshield; some days you're the bug.


Perfect.


Yes, it is good, except I can't get one picture out of my mind. On our last trip back to the US, near Ensenada we saw a van with a shattered windshield and the local bike rider on the side of the road with people trying to control his bleeding head with T-shirts while waiting for the police and the ambulance.

We have no idea what happened, but it was real ugly

Bajatripper - 11-19-2011 at 10:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
BajaTripper said, "My sister's a teacher in California, so I'm aware of many of the issues she faces while doing the best she can with what she's given to work with."

And I say-------my daughter-in-law teaches in a public school in CA in Oroville, CA and she makes north of $65K a year------enough to support her husband and 2 small kids, a nice home they are buying, and two cars, and my son is a stay-at-home Dad, raising the two kids.

Just how much "renumeration" does a teacher need, in your opinion???

Barry


Barry
I stand corrected.
I checked with my sister, and she confirms what you said. For years, I have listend to her talk about how underpaid schoolteachers in California are, but never thought to ask about specifics.
While I was TA'ing (teacher's assitance) at a university in Washington State, I inadvertently stumbled on the pay stub of a newly-hired anthropology professor and was surprised to learn that he was making around $35,000 a year, even with a PhD and years of field work experience. So I assumed (you know what they say about that word) incorrectly that my sister made less than that.

I was wrong. I think that, considering the level of education school teachers have, $40,000-$65,000 would seem like more than enough remuneration for their time. Especially considering the time off they have.

Thanks for keeping things honest.

I would have posted this earlier, but couldn't find the thread until now.

Mengano - 11-20-2011 at 12:02 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
to get back on Topic-------On the bicyclists with kids running the "Mex 1" gauntlet??? I too think they are nuts and irresponsible, but I wish them all the luck available in their quest and journey and pray the kids and/or their parents survive.

Barry


How about running the Baja 1000 gauntlet?



He survived with only a slight head injury.

http://www.elvigia.net/noticia/sale-vivo