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American woman assaulted and robbed at Bajamar

Mengano - 11-23-2011 at 06:03 PM

Una norteamericana, fue asaltada por desconocidos en las inmediaciones de Bajamar al ingresar sobre la carretera escénica este fin de semana a plena luz del día.

De acuerdo a datos oficiales la afectada es una mujer de 65 años de edad, quien conducía un vehículo tipo Winstar y al llegar a la entrada de Bajamar un auto de color blanco con dos sujetos a bordo le cerraron el paso.

De la unidad bajó un sujeto que la amagó con un arma de fuego para despojarla de su bolso, dentro del cual llevaba documentos y dinero en efectivo.

La denuncia fue presentada de inmediato ante las autoridades competentes bajo la averiguación previa 494020/211.

En total los asaltantes se llevaron alrededor de 1 mil dólares en efectivo, tarjetas y otros documentos de la víctima.

An American woman was assaulted this weekend in broad daylight by unknowns near Bajamar upon entering the Scenic Highway.

According to official information, the victim is a woman 65-years of age, who was driving a Ford Winstar, and upon arriving at the entrance to Bajamar, a white car with two subjects aboard cut her off.

One subject got out of the car and threatened the woman with a firearm and took her purse. Inside the purse were documents and cash.

A complaint was filed immediately with the authorities under preliminary case 494020/211.

In total, the assailants took around $1,000 dollars in cash, credit cards and documents belonging to the victim.

http://www.ensenada.net/noticias/nota.php?id=22711

El Capitan Mengano no afloja! :spingrin:

Bajamar

bajaguy - 11-23-2011 at 06:38 PM

Either she was on the scenic highway (toll road) near Bajamar or at the entrance to Bajamar.....makes a difference.

If she was at the entrance to Bajamar, where were the Bajamar security guys???

BajaBlanca - 11-23-2011 at 07:35 PM

very sad news for us women

:fire:

Mengano - 11-23-2011 at 07:36 PM

The woman was attacked in broad daylight after she left Bajamar and turned onto the Scenic. Since the odds that the white car just happened to be driving by on the Scenic when she turned on are fairly low, let's look for a more plausible explanation.

It is more probable the crooks knew Bajamar was a target rich Gringo enclave, and they passed some lana to the guards to call them while they parked and waited down the road a bit. When a good target, like a 65-year old woman, drove out of the place, they got the call. Either it's that, or somebody else who works at Bajamar is on the team.

Betcha never look at those guards the same way again. The readers comments on that article say there are robberies on that stretch or road all the time.

CaboRon - 11-27-2011 at 07:06 AM

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Originally posted by Mengano
The woman was attacked in broad daylight after she left Bajamar and turned onto the Scenic. Since the odds that the white car just happened to be driving by on the Scenic when she turned on are fairly low, let's look for a more plausible explanation.

It is more probable the crooks knew Bajamar was a target rich Gringo enclave, and they passed some lana to the guards to call them while they parked and waited down the road a bit. When a good target, like a 65-year old woman, drove out of the place, they got the call. Either it's that, or somebody else who works at Bajamar is on the team.

Betcha never look at those guards the same way again. The readers comments on that article say there are robberies on that stretch or road all the time.


This is how you kill the tourism business ... Still, stuck on stupid

baja1943 - 11-27-2011 at 07:40 AM

CaboRon, Why did you leave Cabo for Vegas, did something scare you?

Woman Found Dead In Dayton Identified

mcfez - 11-28-2011 at 08:35 AM

Yeah...so Mengano? let's report all the issues here at the ol USA. Mexico is a great place to be at.


MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) — The woman who police say was allegedly killed by her husband in their Dayton, Minn. home has been identified.

Investigators say 58-year-old Georgia Lee Bogema was found dead in her home around 4:30 p.m. Friday. They say she died of multiple “sharp force injuries.”

Her death has been ruled a homicide.

Sandlefoot - 11-28-2011 at 09:01 AM

You are right Mcfez, if someone wants to make the comparison here is more of what is going on in the good ole US of A

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/jazz/52993509-68/grubbs-police-...


It is much safer in Baja than NOB

wessongroup - 11-28-2011 at 09:19 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajaguy
Either she was on the scenic highway (toll road) near Bajamar or at the entrance to Bajamar.....makes a difference.

If she was at the entrance to Bajamar, where were the Bajamar security guys???


Can remember when they started building at Bajamar ... thought it was a nice location, but, even back then it seemed a bit isolated with easy access to the on and off ramp of the freeway ... kinda like a bank .. just off the freeway NOB.. .

It's very nice inside the compound ... and some really beautiful homes... very clean ... well maintained facilities..

Only other down side... docking station for the LNG plant is roughly 2.5 miles south ... which is good, and its down wind... but, not sure about it's overall impact on BajaMar, from an explosion ... for sure windows.. not sure about structural damage... yeah, I know there's been studies... but, I tend to go with "in field" experience myself...

Ask a firefighter/first responder about fighting explosives, flammable materials in very large quantities ... it gets a bit scary ... out there in the field... doesn't it... and when they go... well, I've always been one for getting the hell out of there as quickly as possible... and let her burn to end point.. less contamination ... something which was a hard one to get some of the guys into ... letting it go ... not PUTTING water on it... way back when ... early 70's phase out of organochlorines ... replaced by newer materials.. with a xylene carrier ... and a newer mode of action ... and a broader sprectrum of target pests..... ALL... they were very "non-selective" ... worked on invertebrates and well as vertebrates .. quite effectively... jury is still out on the overall impact to the gene pool from these "materials"... will just say ... the metabolites are far worse than the "parent"... :biggrin::biggrin:

Nothing more fun to fight ... a highly explosive, flammable when wet, and the smoke and/or fumes are toxic... and ya have think about the evacuation of cities and/or towns... and/or a water way ... et al

Thanks... very interesting time, in my life ... a long while ago..

bajaguy - 11-28-2011 at 09:40 AM

Wiley, explosive force "should" be directed up and seaward, concussion or blast wave also in that same direction.....smoke and fumes will depend on wind direction.

I'm sure there would be some damage to homes from ground wave concussion and kiss the windows goodby.

A great location for homes, but as you say, pretty much isolated from services.

Probably living next to an LNG plant is is not a great selling point :lol:

[Edited on 11-29-2011 by bajaguy]

Mengano - 11-28-2011 at 10:20 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sandlefoot
It is much safer in Baja than NOB


As long as you don't look at the government's crime statistics:



Biased sample fallacy:

Description of Biased Sample

This fallacy is committed when a person draws a conclusion about a population based on a sample that is biased or prejudiced in some manner. It has the following form:

Sample S, which is biased, is taken from population P.
Conclusion C is drawn about Population P based on S.
The person committing the fallacy is misusing the following type of reasoning, which is known variously as Inductive Generalization, Generalization, and Statistical Generalization:

X% of all observed A's are B''s.
Therefore X% of all A's are Bs.
The fallacy is committed when the sample of A's is likely to be biased in some manner. A sample is biased or loaded when the method used to take the sample is likely to result in a sample that does not adequately represent the population from which it is drawn.

Biased samples are generally not very reliable. As a blatant case, imagine that a person is taking a sample from a truckload of small colored balls, some of which are metal and some of which are plastic. If he used a magnet to select his sample, then his sample would include a disproportionate number of metal balls (after all, the sample will probably be made up entirely of the metal balls). In this case, any conclusions he might draw about the whole population of balls would be unreliable since he would have few or no plastic balls in the sample.

[Edited on 11-28-2011 by Mengano]

mcfez - 11-28-2011 at 12:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Mengano
Quote:
Originally posted by Sandlefoot
It is much safer in Baja than NOB


As long as you don't look at the government's crime statistics:



Biased sample fallacy:

Description of Biased Sample

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[Edited on 11-28-2011 by Mengano]



We're all (except lencho) very interested in your anti Baja statements.



[Edited on 11-28-2011 by mcfez]

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mcfez - 11-28-2011 at 01:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by lencho
Quote:
Originally posted by mcfez
We're all very interested in your anti Baja statements.

Is this a "royal we", or did I miss another poll? :lol:


Sorry..I fixed it for you (singular) :-)

wessongroup - 11-28-2011 at 01:53 PM

Sampling... now does that bring back some memories .. from the world of Food Safety from pesticides...

How do you get representive sampling of say 1200 acres of lettuce...

Some wanted samples from "each" plant... :lol::lol::lol:

Some wanted a "line transect" across the field and/or fields to be harvested.. at various angles across the field to be harvested...

Was a real treat trying to satisfy everyone on "SAMPLING" which was "vaild"... for all.... just saying...

A comprise was worked out.... and of course it didn't make anyone happy ...

Government work can be a lot of fun HUH !!! plus ya get all that big pay too ...

Was just great ... the environmental side, thought we were in bed with Industry, and Industry thought we were trying to put them out of business... and the legislators were in bed with everyone ... great setup for failure... HUH !!

Hey Pat, sound familiar ...

Gee, and someone is surprised at where we are... it ain't changed at all... IMHO

Sandlefoot - 11-28-2011 at 02:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Mengano
Quote:
Originally posted by Sandlefoot
It is much safer in Baja than NOB


As long as you don't look at the government's crime statistics:



Biased sample fallacy:

Description of Biased Sample

This fallacy is committed when a person draws a conclusion about a population based on a sample that is biased or prejudiced in some manner. It has the following form:

Sample S, which is biased, is taken from population P.
Conclusion C is drawn about Population P based on S.
The person committing the fallacy is misusing the following type of reasoning, which is known variously as Inductive Generalization, Generalization, and Statistical Generalization:

X% of all observed A's are B''s.
Therefore X% of all A's are Bs.
The fallacy is committed when the sample of A's is likely to be biased in some manner. A sample is biased or loaded when the method used to take the sample is likely to result in a sample that does not adequately represent the population from which it is drawn.

Biased samples are generally not very reliable. As a blatant case, imagine that a person is taking a sample from a truckload of small colored balls, some of which are metal and some of which are plastic. If he used a magnet to select his sample, then his sample would include a disproportionate number of metal balls (after all, the sample will probably be made up entirely of the metal balls). In this case, any conclusions he might draw about the whole population of balls would be unreliable since he would have few or no plastic balls in the sample.

[Edited on 11-28-2011 by Mengano]



Mengano It has been my experience (38 years in business, and BS in Business managemnnt) that you are right! Numbers can be made to say whatever the person wants them to say. So I also incorporate a thing called experience. I am from a small area of southern Oregon that in the last 6 months there have been 10 murders. Some from domestic violence some that are just crazy. (as is the one I just referenced). Now I have been running up and down the Baja for the last 11 years and have never had a single problem. In fact I have had more help because I was the "dumb gringo" than I would have ever expected. Some help from expats but ALOT of help from the locals. So "In my opinion" Baja is much safer than NOB!!!

[Edited on 11-29-2011 by Sandlefoot]

[Edited on 11-29-2011 by Sandlefoot]

JoeJustJoe - 11-28-2011 at 02:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by CaboRon
Quote:
Originally posted by Mengano
The woman was attacked in broad daylight after she left Bajamar and turned onto the Scenic. Since the odds that the white car just happened to be driving by on the Scenic when she turned on are fairly low, let's look for a more plausible explanation.

It is more probable the crooks knew Bajamar was a target rich Gringo enclave, and they passed some lana to the guards to call them while they parked and waited down the road a bit. When a good target, like a 65-year old woman, drove out of the place, they got the call. Either it's that, or somebody else who works at Bajamar is on the team.

Betcha never look at those guards the same way again. The readers comments on that article say there are robberies on that stretch or road all the time.


This is how you kill the tourism business ... Still, stuck on stupid


Killers, muggers, and thieves rarely care about tourism in their city where they live.

So I'm not sure who you are referring when you say "still, stuck on stupid?"

I wouldn't give Mengano commentary much weight. It seems more designed to scare "BN" members than to just report the news.

There could have been lots of reasons why the 65 year old women was targeted, and $1000 dollars is a lot of money to be carrying around in Baja. She could have made a bank withdraw previous to this, or she may have flashed the money around, and somebody saw it. It could also be a random act. But I guess we'll never really know for sure. I know I wouldn't blame the Bajamar's guards without any evidence.

The comments are a little suspect too. Take a look at them and see if you think something is a little odd about one or two of them.

mcfez - 11-29-2011 at 08:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by lencho
Quote:
Originally posted by mcfez
Sorry..I fixed it for you (singular) :-)

Thanks. But how do you know your correction is correct? I could actually be the only other one that thinks the way you do on this particular issue...

Time for a poll, I say. :P


Perhaps we both incorrect about the correctness of this correct subject to discuss.

Mulegena - 11-29-2011 at 08:54 AM

Anyone know how the lady is these days-- the one who was assaulted and robbed?

Follow-up on the incident itself?

wilderone - 11-30-2011 at 08:59 AM

Mcfez - LOL!! yeah, blah, blah - "there's math?" ha!
Pues ... I think she was targeted - must have been waving some $$ around or something. $1,000 cash - all in one place? Dumb. Everyone knows to split your money up in several places, and only carry the amount you'll need that day. And keep your documents absolutely in a safe, hidden place. Only have copies on your person.
My brother in law told me that just a few weeks ago, some friends of his were surfing off Bajamar, and when they came back to the beach were confronted by armed robbers, who made them open the truck and took their wallets.

Woooosh - 11-30-2011 at 09:59 AM

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Originally posted by wilderone
$1,000 cash - all in one place? Dumb. Everyone knows to split your money up in several places, and only carry the amount you'll need that day. And keep your documents absolutely in a safe, hidden place. Only have copies on your person.


I'm sure that sage tidbit of advice is missing from the Baja Visitors Guide...

A nice couple parked their car in front of the house yesterday, took off their shoes and took a walk to the water and back. Yup, you guessed it no shoes for him when they got back- only the man's shoes were gone. They laughed and laughed and said the person who stole them must have needed them more that he did. The lady was happy- hers were still there.