BajaNomad - Cultural ? re: breast feeding

Cultural ? re: breast feeding

Santiago - 12-4-2011 at 06:58 PM

Younger friends of ours are planning a holiday trip with a 6 month old that is breast fed. They want to know if breast feeding in public (no flesh showing but it's obvious what's going on) is a OK or not. In all my trips, I can't remember ever seeing a baby being breast fed and I was stumped. Are the cultural norms different in larger cities than small towns?
If you need to post photos explaining it to me, no need to downsize them. :smug:

bajafam - 12-4-2011 at 07:05 PM

When my son was born in 2008 in Baja, I was comforted by the many mother's I saw breastfeeding in public. I know Sirena fed Izaak in public and I never saw anyone looking uncomfortable about it. I think it's wonderful and your mama friend shouldn't feel ill at ease about it!! Yay for feeding babies the natural way!!

DENNIS - 12-4-2011 at 07:10 PM

I see the indigenese doing it without concern. Never anyone else. I think there are some social restrictions here that would frown on it.

bajafam - 12-4-2011 at 07:14 PM

much like in the States, people have a tendency to react negatively, when in fact, a breastfeeding mother should be applauded. The mamas I came across where in the municipal buildings, clinics, and at the park. In my experience in Baja, I nursed my boy when he needed to eat....whether we were in a restaurant, at Globos, in the park....no one made a fuss or admonished me.

Paula - 12-4-2011 at 07:17 PM

I see it here in Loreto-- no big deal! Actually interesting that in more rural parts of Mexico it is NOT okay wear a bikini on the beach, but breastfeeding in public is normal and accepted. Kind of the opposite of the US, no?

I htink they'll be fine in both larger cities or small towns, unless there are too many turistas estadounidenses around :tumble:

edited to add unless-- changes the meaning of the post a bit!

[Edited on 12-5-2011 by Paula]

DENNIS - 12-4-2011 at 07:18 PM

Fifteen years ago here, you couldn't buy a Playboy magazine. Times are for sure changing, but on Mexican time.

Eli - 12-4-2011 at 08:09 PM

Thank goodness that breast feeding is so normal in Mexico. When I breast fed my daughter in public 37 years ago, no one from any walk of life ever gave me anything but positive energy. I have watched my daughter breast feed both of my grandchildren publicly, again she always received positive response for doing so, same with her peers.

Santiago - 12-4-2011 at 08:51 PM

Well I'll be jiggered, I guess I have not been very observant. Glad to hear it.

chumlee57 - 12-4-2011 at 09:00 PM

I'll be jiggered, the beauty of Mex, I ve seen this as normal behavior throughout all of baja over the years, think about it, this is typical motherhood, if it is frowned upon in some circles, so be it. Of coarse, a low profile feeeding would be recommended :coolup:

DENNIS - 12-4-2011 at 09:01 PM

I think we're going to have to go back and define "In public" because I've spent a lot of time on the streets and public places here and have never seen an instance of breast feeding other than the aforementioned indiginese.

DENNIS - 12-4-2011 at 09:05 PM

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Originally posted by chumlee57
Of coarse, a low profile feeeding would be recommended :coolup:

What??? You mean this won't work??

http://www.suite101.com/view_image.cfm/338786

chumlee57 - 12-4-2011 at 09:21 PM

I think I know where you are coming from, indiginese meaning the typical hard working native mexican, maybe living around agriculture in san quitin or visciano, yes, thats what I am talking about, along with the other " indiginese" women that may be living throughout areas of Baja. Hence, keep things low profile, nobody really cares. At the Bahia Restuarant in downtown Ensenada, nooo, I really don't think they are talking about that, if so, my bad

Cypress - 12-5-2011 at 06:56 AM

Who the heck would be PO'd at a mother feeding her baby?

Pescador - 12-5-2011 at 07:09 AM

Depends on the setting. At a Baptisim party, the mother went in another area when the baby was hungry, and in get togethers and smaller fiestas, it is just a natural part of what goes on. At an open gathering, the women usually tend to sit together and talk so it seems pretty natural when one is feeding. But at a big festival in the town, usually someone goes to a little more private area. It seems to follow its own common sense determination, and the only time I saw someone actually make a comment was a young Canadian mother who was kinda "in your face if you don't like this then kiss my ............" but I think everyone got way different vibes from her anyway.

DENNIS - 12-5-2011 at 08:37 AM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Who the heck would be PO'd at a mother feeding her baby?

Ohhh...I dunno. Maybe the same folks who would object to other natural acts...like taking a dump in a restaurant dining room?

Like I said up above......all this cleavage we see on the TV weather girl is new here. The culture wouldn't allow that only a short time back and there are still many here who have that mindset today.

Jeeeezo....pretty soon, someone here will turn this into a civil rights issue.

DENNIS - 12-5-2011 at 08:41 AM

This is all Jesse's fault. He would be qualified to give an opinion from a Mexican Culture insider position, but....nooooo. He has to pack up and leave right when we need him.

gnukid - 12-5-2011 at 08:54 AM

In public here in BCS women put on a shawl of sorts while breastfeeding their children. It's totally normal to feed your baby at the moment they are hungry to avoid an unhappy and crying baby.

Heather - 12-5-2011 at 09:06 AM

Breast feeding is never a problem in Mexico. They actually do it for much longer than we do. I've seen kids of 2-3 years old, running to their mamas for the chi-chi.

DENNIS - 12-5-2011 at 09:53 AM

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Originally posted by gnukid
In public here in BCS women put on a shawl of sorts while breastfeeding their children. It's totally normal to feed your baby at the moment they are hungry to avoid an unhappy and crying baby.

OK...we've got "in public" all figuered out, [well....actually, we don't, but] so now we should define which social level sees breast feeding in public as just part of life.........and please don't be one that is appauled at the mention of a differing social levels in Mexico.
It's my contention that the vast majority of the Mestizo population with even the most basic level of formal education won't be gratifying their toddler in mixed, unrelated company.

Another thing, Paul....I've never seen or heard an Indian kid cry and I know damn well they could easily, at any moment, find a reason to do that.

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[Edited on 12-5-2011 by DENNIS]

bajafam - 12-5-2011 at 10:55 AM

"In public" means anywhere NOT in your home. Breastfeeding an infant IS a part of life. Feeding an infant (or a toddler) is NOT gratifying them, it is FEEDING them. and as far as Dennis' reply about "taking a dump in a restaurant dining room..." obviously that is inappropriate. Bathrooms are for that purpose, but please, don't ask or expect a nursing mother to feed her child in a restroom.

David K - 12-5-2011 at 11:03 AM

As a father of two, this is not a strange topic... so I am just wondering... since half the population are women... and (as a rule) men don't have a problem with breasts (at all)... Just who is objecting to breast feeding? Who is society protecting from the sight of a baby on a boob? The sooner one is exposed to this natural/ clean/ healthy function the easier it is to 'swallow', yes?

:lol:

DENNIS - 12-5-2011 at 11:51 AM

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Originally posted by bajafam
as far as Dennis' reply about "taking a dump in a restaurant dining room..." obviously that is inappropriate.

No kiddin??? I wonder how many babies were, and will be, conceived in restrooms? :lol:

Hey.....we're all Gawds chillin'.

bajafam - 12-5-2011 at 12:12 PM

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Originally posted by David K
As a father of two, this is not a strange topic... so I am just wondering... since half the population are women... and (as a rule) men don't have a problem with breasts (at all)... Just who is objecting to breast feeding? Who is society protecting from the sight of a baby on a boob? The sooner one is exposed to this natural/ clean/ healthy function the easier it is to 'swallow', yes?

:lol:

You'd think it wouldn't be an issue, wouldn't you? But unfortunately, it is. I have heard many a person (both men and women) scoffing at a nursing mother (myself included) here in the States, shaking their head, whispering "disgusting". It's a crying shame, a travesty really, that the natural function of the breast is looked upon with such disdain.

DENNIS - 12-5-2011 at 12:37 PM

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Originally posted by bajafam
You'd think it wouldn't be an issue, wouldn't you? But unfortunately, it is. I have heard many a person (both men and women) scoffing at a nursing mother (myself included) here in the States, shaking their head, whispering "disgusting". It's a crying shame, a travesty really, that the natural function of the breast is looked upon with such disdain.

In the states?? Now we're talking "in the states?"
Well...in the states, US and Mexico, modesty is part of the Christian culture, whether you remember that, or not. People are told from birth to put on their clothes and leave them on til they get home. It's part of the big picture we were taught, but the US has had her sexual revolution and a big, bare rack doesn't mean much anymore.
Under these circumstances, I think you have a good point...whip 'em out and give your kid a snack wherever you happen to be, especially if he/she [and I hope that isn't your end product] whimpers or cries a bit to have you shove something in his mouth to silence him. That will prepare him for his dating years to come.
But.........we're talking about Mexico, and they haven't as yet been sexually liberated. There's still a lot of Christian idealism spread throughout society and those who still remember their catachism classes will think it inappropriate for you, or anyone else to be showing too much taboo skin just because you think it's what everybody should do on impulse.

When in Rome, respect their culture and quit trying to convert the world to Hippyism. It ain't your job.

DENNIS - 12-5-2011 at 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by soulpatch
.... I am a little exasperated over this oversight. :lol:

Exasperated?? Love it. Great word. One of my mother's faves.

Ohhh...just a thought. Helena probably shoud have chosen the Hi-Top model, with the draw string on top of her head. It must be hurting sales as it is.

Eli - 12-5-2011 at 01:44 PM

I remember when nursing my daughter on the street, on the bus, in the market many times older women or men would stop and rub her little bald head and comment how healthy she would be because she was being nursed. It is true that I seldom walk among the upper classes of Mexico, the people I walk among are simple middle of the road folks. Also, keeping your baby coverd while nursing or not is common pratice, to keep them warm, protected and out of sight of the "evil eye".

[Edited on 12-6-2011 by Eli]

bajafam - 12-5-2011 at 02:37 PM

I was waiting for someone to mention something sexual about the whole issue. Thank you, Dennis, for doing so. So, while we are on the religious side of things, since when is feeding your child "taboo". Pretty positive that Jesus was breastfeed :biggrin:

feeding your child doesn't equal giving a show....

Dave - 12-5-2011 at 03:24 PM

I see that most everyone here has decided to take the high road.

Damned disappointing. :rolleyes:

DENNIS - 12-5-2011 at 04:22 PM

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Originally posted by bajafam
I was waiting for someone to mention something sexual about the whole issue.

What??? The breast, in US [as you put it ] culture has no sexual conotation?

How's this grab ya:

http://www.owensarchive.com/images/uploads/Classic%20Hollywo...

DENNIS - 12-5-2011 at 04:23 PM

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Originally posted by Dave
I see that most everyone here has decided to take the high road.

Damned disappointing. :rolleyes:

Well....show us the way, brother Dave.

DENNIS - 12-5-2011 at 04:30 PM

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Originally posted by bajafam
feeding your child doesn't equal giving a show....

But...as you stated, you do it at your whim. Kinda makes me think you,re imposing your ideals on the world....which you think is YOUR world. Izallaboutyou.

Good. Air 'em out.

Howzabout some photos, since you're so proud of your bag collection.

dennis and mammaries

mtgoat666 - 12-5-2011 at 04:39 PM

13 of 32 messages in this thread are by dennis. obviously, dennis is a b00b man, but he is also appears to have a special fetish, lactating b00bs :lol:

bajafam - 12-5-2011 at 05:01 PM

Feeding a child is not a WHIM. And how in the hell is feeding a child imposing ideals on the world? Babies NEED to eat. The beauty of being a MOTHER and a MAMMAL, because, really that's what makes us MAMMALS, is the ability to feed our young.

Dennis I didn't realize you worked with Nestle and have decided that humans do not need to feed their children naturally whenever and wherever they are hungry....

[Edited on 12-6-2011 by bajafam]

[Edited on 12-6-2011 by bajafam]

DENNIS - 12-5-2011 at 05:20 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
13 of 32 messages in this thread are by dennis. obviously, dennis is a b00b man, but he is also appears to have a special fetish, lactating b00bs :lol:

goat.....you have to apply your lips to my butt. please

bajafam - 12-5-2011 at 05:22 PM

Oh, and I found one of me nursing in public (GASP!) at the Feria in San Quintin ~

sorry it's not the show you were looking for...

DavidE - 12-5-2011 at 05:31 PM

All of the mexican women that I know do/did it, discretely, using a small crib blanket; I guess it's politically correct to get upset over "nursing" and not over ultra heavy-duty smooching you know, tongues wrapped around someone else's tonsils, et al.

DENNIS - 12-5-2011 at 05:34 PM

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Originally posted by bajafam
sorry it's not the show you were looking for...

It'll pump up my fantasies. A man is never too old to breast feed. :biggrin:

bajafam - 12-5-2011 at 05:38 PM

You, my friend, are a dirty rotten scoundrel.

and to think, I JUST changed my avatar.

FOR DENNIS

desertcpl - 12-5-2011 at 05:56 PM

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bajafam - 12-5-2011 at 06:09 PM

There is absolutely nothing natural about that.

wessongroup - 12-5-2011 at 06:40 PM

What drinking Vodka out of a plastic bottle .... done it many times.. :lol:

DENNIS - 12-5-2011 at 07:03 PM

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Originally posted by desertcpl

I am sooo thankful for that kind and generous thought. Gracias.

DENNIS - 12-5-2011 at 07:05 PM

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Originally posted by bajafam
There is absolutely nothing natural about that.

Bout what?

Lee - 12-5-2011 at 07:25 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
13 of 32 messages in this thread are by dennis. obviously, dennis is a b00b man, but he is also appears to have a special fetish, lactating b00bs :lol:

Just what I was thinking. 19,000+ posts -- seems like someone making statements and responding to them. Let other people have opinions? 19,000+?

So, let's get this straight. Nothing showing but it's obvious what's going on?

If it's that obvious, it's flaunting. Make it a no big deal and NOT obvious.

Or else, go private.

Guess I'm not politically correct.

Santiago - 12-5-2011 at 07:25 PM

What in the wide, wide world of sports has happened to my thread? I just wanted to know what the cultural sensibilities are here. sheesh.

wessongroup - 12-5-2011 at 07:40 PM

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Originally posted by Santiago
What in the wide, wide world of sports has happened to my thread? I just wanted to know what the cultural sensibilities are here. sheesh.

Are you kidding Santigo... :lol:

You got an answer... to what the "cultural sensibilities" are here, I think .. .what ya want ... anyway !! .. :biggrin:

Let's keep it to this, would hate to see gallbladder scars... or maybe we can move right into the delivery room or ER

Nice picks of mom there... bajafam .. cute little one..

bajafam - 12-5-2011 at 08:07 PM

Lee - why must women cover up to feed babies, yet it's acceptable for them to wear little to nothing on the beach. Do YOU like to put a blanket over your head while you enjoy a meal? Babies don't like it either.

Mulegena - 12-5-2011 at 08:40 PM

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Originally posted by Santiago
Younger friends of ours are planning a holiday trip with a 6 month old that is breast fed. They want to know if breast feeding in public (no flesh showing but it's obvious what's going on) is a OK or not. In all my trips, I can't remember ever seeing a baby being breast fed and I was stumped. Are the cultural norms different in larger cities than small towns?...

Alright, Peoples, here's your answer-- from a Mexican man who has lived in villages all over the peninsula and in the city of La Paz. I'm going to give it pretty much verbatim, translated.

"Sure its ok for a woman to breastfeed her baby in public. Its normal, but she usually covers her shoulder because some guy might see her and think something bad. It natural to feed your baby and a guy who would think something is crazy."

I then asked him if it was different in the cities than the towns.
"Yes, it probably is. Mothers in the cities usually don't feed their babies in public. When I asked why this was, he answered, "Well, because there are so many people in cities. In towns everyone knows the mother and her family."

I asked him if these views were the same towards tourists. He replied, "Its the same, no different I would think."

So, there you have one Mexican man's opinion and observations.

btw, Bajafam, lovely photo. Hugs to you all from us both!

EnsenadaDr - 12-5-2011 at 08:47 PM

Wow, I have been at the clinic in Zorrillo now for four months and mothers pull out their "titis"at a moment's notice, they do it in the clinic and they do it in my office. I had a large women come in today as a matter of fact, and her 1 year 8 month old said, "Ti-ti" and her older sister was sitting right there and said isn't that cute and her mother pulled it out and started feeding right then and there. I have seen more titis feeding babies in four months than I have seen in my lifetime. Especially since no one has money for formula.

EnsenadaDr - 12-5-2011 at 09:01 PM

As an addendum, I think its great how these women are so natural about it especially since I grew up with a mother that had to be fully clothed before leaving the shower....they can teach our straight laced, the human body is dirty mentality a few things..

bajafam - 12-5-2011 at 09:03 PM

Especially since no one has money for formula????

:fire:

You are saying that you would rather see someone shoving a bottle of artificial, chemical fake milk then milk from their own mother? Breast feeding is not for the poor - formula is NOT a status symbol!!!!!

bajafam - 12-5-2011 at 09:05 PM

well you redeemed yourself a *bit* with your addendum. But still....

OH pleeze...

EnsenadaDr - 12-5-2011 at 09:23 PM

Taking affront at my quote is beginning to sound like the PBBB, no one can make a statement without it being
blown COMPLETELY out of proportion, that is not what I was saying...but now that you mention it, most of these women that work in the fields can't pump their breasts to collect during their 12 hour days at the risk of leaving the fields, placing the milk in a collection bottle and refrigerating it, and even if their boss would let them do it, there are no standing refrigerators in the rows of tomatoes and broccoli, so alot of them yes, would like their mothers or neighbors to feed their kids formula that work, the other 50% are home breast feeding their kids because their husbands are earning $12 American in the fields daily...I respect whatever my patients want to do and advise them that breastmilk is the best way to go...but in the end I have to respect their final decisions.

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Originally posted by bajafam
Especially since no one has money for formula????

:fire:

Mulegena - 12-5-2011 at 09:37 PM

I knew the good doctoressa can and would speak for herself,
so I waited to hear her response before responding.

I will say that I have heard that some doctors down here may advise their mothers that breast milk isn't needed by babies past the age of 6 months. I find that questionable, to say the least, and am in full agreement with you, Bajafam, keep it natural as long as you can.

Wow, what an eye-opening couple of paragraphs the EnsenadaDr has presented.
Quite a different perspective on a different life than mine.

Bless these mothers of the earth and thank you, doctor, for seeing to their needs.

bajafam - 12-5-2011 at 09:40 PM

just seemed to me that you were slightly appalled at the mama feeding her nursling in front of you and that they should be feeding their babies formula, but only nursed because they couldn't afford it.

bajafam - 12-5-2011 at 09:47 PM

There was a time when mamas wore their babies so that they could nurse while they worked. While this may not be practical, I have seen it still in practice in rural areas of Baja, even on just a small ranchito.

And for what it's worth, the WHO now endorses breastfeeding to two years of age. Sadly, my little dude weaned himself at one. But thanks Santiago, for bringing up this thread, it has allowed me to reminisce about the nursing bond and get re-involved in lactivism

EnsenadaDr - 12-5-2011 at 09:52 PM

I don't know how you came to that conclusion..I never suggested anything of the kind.

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Originally posted by bajafam
just seemed to me that you were slightly appalled at the mama feeding her nursling in front of you and that they should be feeding their babies formula, but only nursed because they couldn't afford it.

[Edited on 12-6-2011 by EnsenadaDr]

bajafam - 12-5-2011 at 09:56 PM

Another reason it is so difficult to figure out intent in the written online word.
I'm still confused on your embarrassment though. Why would a Doctor be embarrassed by a patient nursing her child in your presence?

Bajaboy - 12-5-2011 at 09:59 PM

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Originally posted by bajafam
Another reason it is so difficult to figure out intent in the written online word.
I'm still confused on your embarrassment though. Why would a Doctor be embarrassed by a patient nursing her child in your presence?

Maybe for the same reason she'd be embarrassed if a patient ripped a big, stinky fart....it's not common practice....albeit normal human function.

bajafam - 12-5-2011 at 10:07 PM

I guess we all come from different backgrounds. I was raised not to be ashamed of the human body and it's functions...feeding or farting, if you must place them on the same plate so to speak. We are raising our children in the same manner. I'm proud to say that when my kids see a nursing mother, they say aww...that mama is feeding her baby, not holy crap! look at the lady's boobs!

Its all about personal choice...

EnsenadaDr - 12-5-2011 at 10:12 PM

As a Doctor you need to accept others' decisions about their bodies. I gather you would never accept and even become angry and militant at a mother that would come in and say, I don't want to breast feed my baby.

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Originally posted by bajafam
I guess we all come from different backgrounds. I was raised not to be ashamed of the human body and it's functions...feeding or farting, if you must place them on the same plate so to speak. We are raising our children in the same manner. I'm proud to say that when my kids see a nursing mother, they say aww...that mama is feeding her baby, not holy crap! look at the lady's boobs!

bajafam - 12-5-2011 at 10:18 PM

No, I wouldn't, but I would try to figure out why not....I have the fortune of having two children....first one was formula fed because I was scared, nervous, underinformed and had no help or encouragement; second one was breastfed because I was determined to do it. In my own experience (and I am NOT a Doctor!!) my friends that didn't breastfeed did not have the support. There are a million and a half myths and fallacies about breastfeeding. I would show them both sides. I know that there are many women who just aren't able to do it. My mother was one, and I was too, with my daughter. BUT, the more research I did, I discovered that what I thought was just me not able, was really just me not having the information, and I am convinced it was the same with my mom.

Maybe not..

EnsenadaDr - 12-5-2011 at 10:22 PM

Hard to believe, but there are mothers out there that don't like the inconvenience and for that reason, decide to bottle feed. Could you accept that type of mother??

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Originally posted by bajafam
No, I wouldn't, but I would try to figure out why not....I have the fortune of having two children....first one was formula fed because I was scared, nervous, underinformed and had no help or encouragement; second one was breastfed because I was determined to do it. In my own experience (and I am NOT a Doctor!!) my friends that didn't breastfeed did not have the support. There are a million and a half myths and fallacies about breastfeeding. I would show them both sides. I know that there are many women who just aren't able to do it. My mother was one, and I was too, with my daughter. BUT, the more research I did, I discovered that what I thought was just me not able, was really just me not having the information, and I am convinced it was the same with my mom.

bajafam - 12-5-2011 at 10:31 PM

I WAS that type of mother!!

And then, when I breastfed, it was amazing how much more convenient it was! I didn't have to lug all the fixin's to make milk....I just made it! It wasn't all sunshine and rainbows, it was difficult at times....a lot of times! And I don't have to accept that "type of mother" nor do I have to shun her. Yes, it's a personal choice, but I think that that "choice" is often influence by well meant erroneous advice. I certainly don't look down on those that formula feed, but I do wonder what brought them to that choice...and it's sad when embarrassment is the root of it, especially when that embarrassment is perpetuated by society and it's so-called "norms".

We all have feelings...

EnsenadaDr - 12-5-2011 at 10:39 PM

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Embarrassment is NOT what I was referring to...you keep harping on that as if it was a crime, I certainly am not embarrassed about being embarrassed, albeit that people such as yourself make it out to be a crime so someone not as secure as myself might never admit to their shortcomings. I am certainly not perfect, and I certainly would never jump down a person's throat or taunt them if they admitted a feeling of inadequacy or doubt...especially a patient...there are people that don't prefer breastfeeding for no other reason than sticking a bottle in a kids mouth is easier than saving and pumping their own milk...might not be the best choice, but there it is...whew...I'm glad I'm not perfect so at least I can have some compassion on others feelings of doubt or shame....and who aren't perfect either...quote]Originally posted by bajafam
I WAS that type of mother!!

And then, when I breastfed, it was amazing how much more convenient it was! I didn't have to lug all the fixin's to make milk....I just made it! It wasn't all sunshine and rainbows, it was difficult at times....a lot of times! And I don't have to accept that "type of mother" nor do I have to shun her. Yes, it's a personal choice, but I think that that "choice" is often influence by well meant erroneous advice. I certainly don't look down on those that formula feed, but I do wonder what brought them to that choice...and it's sad when embarrassment is the root of it, especially when that embarrassment is perpetuated by society and it's so-called "norms".

Skipjack Joe - 12-5-2011 at 10:41 PM

Ms Loren gets a lesson in humility.

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bajafam - 12-5-2011 at 10:53 PM

No where did I say that embarrassment is a crime. BUT it is detrimental, especially when it comes to something such as breastfeeding....believe me, I have had experiences where someone has forced their embarrassment on me, and made me to feel as though I was doing something wrong when I was feeding my baby. I fed my baby in a restroom once because someone looked at me with such disdain....and then I realized the ridiculousness of the situation and refused to do that ever again. I want others to come to a similar realization, so that they aren't forced to feed their child in a restroom, or under a hot, stuffy blanket.

Of course, not everyone WANTS to breastfeed, but I can tell you that having a nurse stick a bottle in your hour old infant's mouth doesn't help. Having someone tell you that nursing your child is disgusting and that photos of your child nursing are indecent doesn't help. And it doesn't help those that are new mothers and unsure of what to do either. I believe that society has moved in a negative direction when it comes to the topic of feeding our young. Be it steeped in misplaced sexuality, embarrassment, whatever....and that makes me sad.

Feelings of shame...

EnsenadaDr - 12-5-2011 at 11:23 PM

Oh, so you do realize how someone can make you feel embarrassed? The same as you saying, "I don't see how a DOCTOR could feel embarrassed" wow, maybe by making someone feel small by criticizing their feelings, they might just decide never to reveal their feelings to anyone again just like the women who looked at you in disgust in the restroom made you feel like you never wanted to breastfeed in public...is this maybe and eye for an eye..or is it trying to assassinate someone's career by making them feel that as a professional, they can never feel inadequate or doubtful, or god forbid...embarrassed?? Yes certainly you are right, it is detrimental to anyone to not allow them to express what certainly others might be feeling as well...by making them feel inadequate..makes me sad too that society has moved into a negative direction by belittliing others...

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Originally posted by bajafam
No where did I say that embarrassment is a crime. BUT it is detrimental, especially when it comes to something such as breastfeeding....believe me, I have had experiences where someone has forced their embarrassment on me, and made me to feel as though I was doing something wrong when I was feeding my baby. I fed my baby in a restroom once because someone looked at me with such disdain....and then I realized the ridiculousness of the situation and refused to do that ever again. I want others to come to a similar realization, so that they aren't forced to feed their child in a restroom, or under a hot, stuffy blanket.

Of course, not everyone WANTS to breastfeed, but I can tell you that having a nurse stick a bottle in your hour old infant's mouth doesn't help. Having someone tell you that nursing your child is disgusting and that photos of your child nursing are indecent doesn't help. And it doesn't help those that are new mothers and unsure of what to do either. I believe that society has moved in a negative direction when it comes to the topic of feeding our young. Be it steeped in misplaced sexuality, embarrassment, whatever....and that makes me sad.

bajafam - 12-5-2011 at 11:34 PM

1. the embarrassment of those looks made me not want to feed in a restroom again. I wasn't the one doing wrong, so therefore from that moment on, I refused to let others embarrassment relegate my actions.
2. I just didn't understand how a professional, a doctor, could feel embarrassed because a mother was nursing....seems like the perfect opportunity to give that mama kudos for doing a great job feeding her child.
3. if my not understanding your embarrassment belittles you, I am sorry. It wasn't my intention at all. I'm sure that you are a fine doctor. You need not give up your profession because I disagree or am confused by your reaction.
4. a mama who makes an informed choice to feed her child, whatever that choice may be (as long as it's informed), is not inadequate. I just feel that many decisions that mothers must make are heavily influenced by what someone else says is right or wrong, not by what actually IS right or wrong. and by no means am I saying that formula feeding is wrong....but you know as well as I do, that the breast is best for the baby.

Santiago

bajaguy - 12-6-2011 at 07:46 AM

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Originally posted by Santiago
What in the wide, wide world of sports has happened to my thread? I just wanted to know what the cultural sensibilities are here. sheesh.

More than you ever wanted to know...................

Santiago - 12-6-2011 at 07:53 AM

Mulegena: Perfect response, thanks.
RE: Skippies photo: I've often wondered if that 'scene' wasn't set up - it's just the perfect time for the shutter to open. Anyone know who the photographer was?
BG: No kidding.

DENNIS - 12-6-2011 at 08:40 AM

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Originally posted by Santiago
Anyone know who the photographer was?

Joe Shere.

http://tinyurl.com/79e8fah

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[Edited on 12-6-2011 by DENNIS]

Terry28 - 12-6-2011 at 09:31 AM

While as a male I am not able to breast feed myself I am willing to hold the "bottle" ! !!

Bajafun777 - 12-6-2011 at 10:02 AM

I have seen a lot of breast feeding in public in Mexico and USA, so no big deal in either country. My wife breast feed our sons until she went back to work and trying to fill bottles with milk for the next day until she got home in evening was just too much for her. So, breast feeding definately not wrong but does require good support to carry it off. Nobody needs to get mad, embrassed or upset over what is just really the way nature intended it to be done! Now, everyone take a deep breath and "Let It Be Let It Be," LOL Take Care & Travel Safe----"No Hurry, No Worry, Just FUN" bajafun777

DENNIS - 12-6-2011 at 10:19 AM

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Originally posted by lencho
"Sensitive" is a funny word-- I've often seen it used as a putdown, especially when referring to males.

Often? Really?

Mulegena - 12-6-2011 at 11:20 AM

Santiago, here's wishing your young family friends a wonderful holiday visit. They'll be creating fabulous memories for themselves and their children which will be of influence their whole lives.

Christmas time is a great time to enjoy the special events here such as the posadas through town in the evenings in which the procession represents Mary and Joseph seeking shelter in Bethlehem. Its often accompanied by the Dance of the Deer, a ritual which pre-dates Christianity, a young man in the procession dressed and dancing as a deer.

I'm sure they'll be made to feel comfortable and welcome wherever they travel.

DENNIS - 12-6-2011 at 11:30 AM

Sooo..after all that, what we have established is that breast feeding in public is accepted....as long as the players are out of sight.
What a totally marooonic conclusion.

Perhaps our next challenge should be to establish at what age one becomes too old to breast feed.

wessongroup - 12-6-2011 at 11:44 AM

:lol:

should just about be time for Sharkey's... thanks for the wake up Dennis.. :biggrin:

wessongroup - 12-6-2011 at 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I don't know how you came to that conclusion..I never suggested anything of the kind.

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[Edited on 12-6-2011 by EnsenadaDr]

Ditto's...

DENNIS - 12-6-2011 at 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I don't know how you came to that conclusion..I never suggested anything of the kind.

It just seemed to be the general consensus. Most here stated that, since they saw it happen, it must be the universally popular thing to do.
I still believe differently. The male population in Mexico is way too macho prudish to allow it to be socially accepted since some of these nursing mothers are wives as well.

I hope I'm not offending those here who think I have too many posts, but that's just tough sht.

mcfez - 12-6-2011 at 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Sooo..after all that, what we have established is that breast feeding in public is accepted....as long as the players are out of sight.
What a totally marooonic conclusion.

Perhaps our next challenge should be to establish at what age one becomes too old to breast feed.

Good DENNIS.

Some folks here are so concerned about whether what s/he says, what s/he does, how s/he dresses, etc. is proper according to what a particular group of people thinks is "normal" or appropriate. In many countries...breast feeding is the norm......the natural....ways of life. I've seen it often in Mexico. What's the big deal anyhow?

[Edited on 12-6-2011 by mcfez]

wessongroup - 12-6-2011 at 12:52 PM

"I hope I'm not offending those here who think I have too many posts, but that's just tough sht."

even better, imho ... :biggrin:

Skipjack Joe - 12-6-2011 at 02:10 PM

The issue is, in essence, public nudity.

Lee - 12-6-2011 at 02:17 PM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
The issue is, in essence, public nudity.

The issue is equally a highly christian country bound in old fashion values.

Any debate on whether public feeding is appropriate in, say, the middle east?

19,000+ posts offensive? Is Dennis sensitive, or defensive, about this? Doesn't it demonstrate who has a life here at nomads, and who doesn't? How many posts is this per day?

Barry A. - 12-6-2011 at 02:21 PM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
The issue is, in essence, public nudity.

Right, and I seldom see it, but when I do I think it is odd, but it does not bother me any more than just that-----odd.

I do my skinny-dipping generally out of sight of others, out of respect for their likely sensitivities--------to me, that is the solution for public child feeding, when possible & practical.

It really is not a big deal, tho.

Barry

DENNIS - 12-6-2011 at 02:21 PM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
The issue is, in essence, public nudity.

Yes. For some it is, and all points of view must be considered.
Cases such as this are made to order for the commie ACLU. Does anyone here belong to a cell of it? :lol:

Oh goody...

Dave - 12-6-2011 at 02:34 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Perhaps our next challenge should be to establish at what age one becomes too old to breast feed.

A scientific study.

I'll volunteer for the control group.

Skipjack Joe - 12-6-2011 at 02:41 PM

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Originally posted by Lee

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
The issue is, in essence, public nudity.

A good Christian doesn't judge?

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desertcpl - 12-6-2011 at 03:03 PM

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Perhaps our next challenge should be to establish at what age one becomes too old to breast feed.

about this age

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Lee - 12-6-2011 at 06:30 PM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
A good Christian doesn't judge?

Think ''good christian'' is an oxymarooon.

Unfortunate that religious reliefs are founded in superstitions and male hiarachy. Dominus vobiscum.

How about obvious feeding in the Vatican?

Bajaboy - 12-6-2011 at 08:36 PM

So is it okay to relieve oneself in public?

Mulegena - 12-6-2011 at 11:00 PM

Back to breastfeeding in public...

I felt I wasn't going to enter into this discussion because its devolved counter to how the thread was crafted which was simply to ask a question of the Mexican cultural propriety of mothers publicly breastfeeding their babies.

Given the news I just read I have to speak up.

From BBC News: Japan has recalled all affected product when Caesium was discovered in a manufacturer's powdered baby food formula. The plant is located 200 miles from ***ushima.

A little background info:
Caesium is an element, a soft metal that remains liquid at room temperature, and its radioisotopes are extracted from nuclear waste material.
"...it is a hazardous material as a metal and its radioisotopes present a high health risk in case of radiation leaks...radiocaesium follows potassium and tends to accumulate in plant tissues, including fruits and vegetables." ~ Wikipedia.

My god, can you imagine what the parents of these innocent babies are feeling now?

Because the isotope washes out of the body in sweat and urine the babies who drank this formula may not die, but experiments have indicated it may cause sterility and cancer.

How tragic!

I do emphasize this is isolated to one factory affected by the ***ushimi accident, and it is not exported out of country, but it certainly provides a case to support caution in choosing our food,
and in this case infant formula.

Please urge young mothers to feed their babies naturally if they possibly can; whenever and wherever a baby is hungry, mom should not be constrained by inane social mores, imo.

[Edited on 12-7-2011 by Mulegena]

EnsenadaDr - 12-7-2011 at 08:00 AM

A woman came into my clinic yesterday, very nice lady. She mentioned to me that she couldn't breastfeed her child and felt very ashamed and said she felt like a failure because anatomically, she wasn't able to, even after going to a specialist. I might emphasize, in this case, I gave her encouragement and told her that at least she tried, and not to feel guilty or upset.