BajaNomad - thinking outside the box and immigration

thinking outside the box and immigration

rhintransit - 12-15-2011 at 12:27 PM

I don't fit in immigration's box. I'm an artist but immigration says to be an artist and sell one's work in Mexico one needs a degree or certificate in art. and I have none. plenty of classes and instruction and a 4 pt average my one year of art school, but.... no piece of paper. other non-degreed/certifed artists I know in other parts of Mexico have been approved but apparently none lately in Loreto. (where I live and who I am may be a big part of the problem, but that's another story)
anyhooooooo...
they've agreed to look at my other documentation, which should be convincing.
but
they want a tax number from Hacienda first before I can apply.
Hacienda wants a letter from INM granting the status to sell first.
am putting it in the hands of a local facilitator now
but
just wondering has any one else had a similar problem, perhaps not in the artista arena but some other area?

art

captkw - 12-15-2011 at 12:33 PM

what was that old joke,about no and leg's hanging on the wall,,,,never mind,,any gov can srcew up a perfectly good day,with reg's,law's and procedure,,,me I try and slip thur the crack's and the least paper work the better//under the radar...let us know how it work's out for ya...

durrelllrobert - 12-15-2011 at 12:53 PM

for $89 you can purchase degee fake from the college of you choice here:
www.noveltyworksdegrees.com/
Or you can probaly get a legit one from here based on your lifetime experience in the art field:
www.accreditedlifeexperiencedegrees.com
Nobody at INM will know the difference :lol:

DENNIS - 12-15-2011 at 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by rhintransit
I don't fit in immigration's box. I'm an artist but immigration says to be an artist and sell one's work in Mexico one needs a degree or certificate in art. and I have none.

What a bunch of nonsense.
Ohhh well....you're the artist. Make a degree...or whatever.
Then....don't ever tell those buffoons what you're doing again. You're only feeding their lust for power.

Mengano - 12-15-2011 at 01:41 PM

Just tell them you are going to sell fine art, both imported and from local artists. They don't need to know you paint them. You don't need a license nor permission to paint a work of art in Mexico, you only need permission to sell.

greengoes - 12-15-2011 at 01:48 PM

To work in Mexico don't you need the FM3 or what it morphed into (immigrant or non-immigrant); kinda like a work permit for gringos. A CFE bill goes a long way too as does CESPE or Telnor.

greengoes - 12-15-2011 at 01:50 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Then....don't ever tell those buffoons what you're doing again. You're only feeding their lust for power.

Loretana - 12-15-2011 at 02:53 PM

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Originally posted by durrelllrobert
for $89 you can purchase degee fake from the college of you choice here:
www.noveltyworksdegrees.com/
Or you can probaly get a legit one from here based on your lifetime experience in the art field:
www.accreditedlifeexperiencedegrees.com
Nobody at INM will know the difference :lol:

The folks at INM in Loreto want the degree to be notarized with the "Apostille" stamp from the state where the degree is issued.

The State office here in Oregon definitely knows what they are looking at when it comes to the legitimacy of a degree or certification from an institution of "higher learning".

And the staff at the INM office in Loreto are no dummys, either. :saint:

Someone there at INM needs to waive rhintransit's requirement. It could happen. :yes:

Just remember that they are "squeaky clean" these days.......

[Edited on 12-15-2011 by Loretana]

art

captkw - 12-15-2011 at 03:04 PM

hola,just a thought (rare for me) if your in the state's,go to a real print shop and they can order what kind of stamp,you need..my family had print shop's and we would order stuff all the time and not question it at all and I would stay up late practiceing my 100DLL.. notes,,,JUST KIDDING UNCLE SAM !! :lol:

gnukid - 12-15-2011 at 03:34 PM

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Originally posted by Loretana

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Someone there at INM needs to waive rhintransit's requirement. It could happen. :yes:

Just remember that they are "squeaky clean" these days.......

[Edited on 12-15-2011 by Loretana]

Each US State's Secretary of State will grant an Apostile for any document that you state is valid, that's what am apostile is a statement by you that document is yours and is your valid statement. The process is a simple agreement that you state this is a valid document and the secretary of state apostile office will provide a partnered apostile per document for a fee. The process is simply a process, a historical artifact, noted as part of some prior formal signing agreement between foreign nations, I believe it comes from some such as the signators of the Hague Agreement, if your home country is not a signator you were/are not required to have an Apostile historically. The Apostile is only for foreign governments from your home state and in general is subsequently translated to the foreign language. These processes are all considered gimmees-to the home state, to the foreign state and the translator among other characters such as notary of your home state.

There are never refused or denied. If you have any questions do a lookup on Apostile on a search engine and read about your state's process-usually 2-3 weeks and a fee.

On the other hand, once you go in to the process you are sort of obliged to carry through and it does cost money which is unnecessary and time consuming. Instead you should declare your activity broadly as one that does not require a degree-if an applicable one exists, such associate assistant to art.

And you may just want to partner with a gallery, as you should, and have them sponsor you as a associate and that should suffice, or you could simply make your art and sell it through a foreign company to the local company, meaning the payments are made to the foreign account holder (in the USA) and you are paid by the foreign account holder (USA) and work for the USA not Mexico.

Like every retiree, rentista, you could consider your activities in Mexico as personal activities and not work except for your association with your home employer.

One should be aware that there are trends and right now the migra are busy and have new laws and new process and new managers to consider so they want to try to appear harsh and difficult but this will pass as the weather changes.

Alternatively, you could relax, be calm, play with your personal interests and not work in Mexico if it's not easy to do. Why would you want to complicate your life if that's what is being offered, it will only get worse. Focus on your personal interests and not working just as any retiree. You could have a tourist visa and go home to meet your USA employer every six months.

Loretana - 12-15-2011 at 03:49 PM

Originally posted by gnukid

"One should be aware that there are trends and right now the migra are busy and have new laws and new process and new managers to consider so they want to try to appear harsh and difficult but this will pass as the weather changes.

Alternatively, you could relax, be calm, play with your personal interests and not work in Mexico if it's not easy to do. Why would you want to complicate your life if that's what is being offered, it will only get worse. Focus on your personal interests and not working just as any retiree. You could have a tourist visa and go home to meet your USA employer every six months."

gnukid makes a good point here!

gnukid - 12-15-2011 at 05:49 PM

One more:

Each of us basically have the "option" to register to work and the job of the migra is to facilitate this, not decide whether we can or not, they are basically obligated to process the papers if they are correct, you are welcome to visit the office as often as you want and politely wait your turn and politely ask what would be appropriate and they must offer some possible road for you to follow. Then if you follow the road you will be awarded the work visa with the obligations associated.

I have never seen an agent say "no" outright, they simply must answer what is the correct path. It's not hard to "outpatience" them and they will always offer a simple solution to avoid you coming back to bother them again with your patient questions since their job is to process papers. I can guarantee they will process the work papers for you with the most simplest requirements if you are polite and consistent.

Consider what you really want to do and consider the actual costs and profit to avoid going into debt to satisfy them. Keep it simple and work toward the goal-and it's okay to make mistakes but they are often expensive in Mexico even when its not your mistake.

Once more, you could make you personal art, and drive it home to your foreign location and sell the art to a US dealer who can "ship it back" to the local gallery and sell it locally with no work permit.

There are many options here that can work for you, if you really want to be a street vendor selling your art, you may want to consider what that looks like on paper, indigenous cultural art, art classes, art tutor, art retail expert.

A work visa requires regular income reporting, monthly or so which must be done by an accountant who must be paid a fee whether you profit or not, taxes are paid on all income, its hard to manage costs and profits without massive accounting, then it can go nuts with the SRE, Hacienda, INM, jealous competitors, jealous lovers, jealous patrons and of course thieves of all sorts from all angles.

And everytime you want to stop working and continue as a rentista that is a change of status and likely a renewal unless you understand how to manage suspending your activity with the hacienda etc... It can work, it can fun and profitable but it's not required to go through all that to be an artist.

FYI I know some great art galleries and can point you to them in La Paz, SF and NY!

güero - 12-15-2011 at 07:38 PM

I'm sorry you're having such a problem to bring something beautiful and beneficial to your community. It's your work, no one else can do so you're not taking a job from a local, just making Loreto a better place.

You've been in Mexico a long time. Can you get citizenship?