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KaceyJ - 12-26-2011 at 01:19 AM

Sincere question -

For such a small place , it seems like there is an inordinate number of properties that come up for sale in Bahia Asunción

For people in the know, is it just your normal land /real estate speculation at work, or is there an underlying problem??

(seems to have been some friction amongst some there at one time)

Is Bahia Asunción just too inconvenient?

Too many gringos?

Too many canadians?

Too much crime?

Neighborhood politics?

Activities limited by the co-op?
(like the look- but- don't -touch- anything attitude at Abreojos) --this alone keeps me away from abre

Beer shortages?

What gives??

Lobsterman - 12-26-2011 at 07:01 AM

IMO Shari and her bunch. It's her town don't you guys know that by now! So don't pee her off like Diana did. Only the meek can live in a town with that dominate personality.

comitan - 12-26-2011 at 08:14 AM

Seems like you didn't get what you wanted for Xmas. :lol:

shari - 12-26-2011 at 08:14 AM

HUH??? that is just ridiculous or as skeet might say... bull pukey... I just love it, have been here a long time and because my husband is from here, everyone knows us so when properties come up for sale, they contact us to help them find buyers. Lobsterman...what gives with you? bee in your bonnet?

I dont know if Kacey's question is really sincere or just stirring the pot, but I will attempt to answer it sincerely...

I also dont think there is an inordinated number of places for sale...at all. Because it is a newly "discovered" area, and is a lovely village to live in, more people are interested in buying here so families that have had many properties in their name are selling...there is a new system now and so families that paid 200 pesos many many years ago to "save" a lot, now are being asked to pay the back taxes or lose the lot. The village catastro is selling lots to help pay the village workers and keep afloat in these difficult times...when the locals see that people are buying, well, they decide to sell. These 2 homes now for sale are the first ones to change hands from gringos...it is a growth area and a great place to live to there is more interest in real estate. There is a family who builds spec houses and is doing a brisk business selling them.

There are more people wanting to buy here than people selling homes. It just so happens Laurieboats wants to do other things like cruise on their boat. diana mentioned she has another project in mind.

Asuncion is far from an airport and not easy to get to which is why it is still lovely here...there are not many gringos or canadians and most people who bought here plan to live here either half or full time so it's not speculators....although there certainly have been some people buying lots with that in mind.

never a beer shortage...water maybe ....but not beer!

yes the coops have a look dont touch policy which is why we still have abalone and healthy lobster stocks...excellent IMHO.

On the whole the expats who live here are wonderful and have integrated into the community and we get along very very well...lots of fun potlucks and gatherings...but one cannot expect everyone to get along perfectly.

There is very very very little crime and the village is super friendly....not to mention the fishing is pretty darn good.

Both those homes for sale right now are fantastic and will make someone very happy.

woody with a view - 12-26-2011 at 08:27 AM

perfect reply Shari.

we all know there are 3 sides to every story (not refering to this thread, specifically) so what does they expect for a reply? i'm sure there are underlying issues with ANYPLACE on earth when immigrants are involved. we certainly have issues NOB with immigrants!

anyway, if you go anywhere expecting Shangri-La you will be sorely dissappointed.....

Happy New Year!

DENNIS - 12-26-2011 at 08:43 AM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
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woody with a view - 12-26-2011 at 08:46 AM

with a happy ending?

KaceyJ - 12-26-2011 at 09:16 AM

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Originally posted by Lobsterman
IMO Shari and her bunch. It's her town don't you guys know that by now! So don't pee her off like Diana did. Only the meek can live in a town with that dominate personality.

lobsterman ,

Not really the kind of info I'm looking for. :?:

Besides, I've yet to meet a "dominate personality" I couldn't handle and wouldn't let such discourage me from an area--- --unless they were a serial killer. :lol:

What Woodie says - there's always 3 sides to a story- however in this case I seem to hear all too often underlying grumblings . And that is all it is. You know the in one ear and out the other stuff that you don't care to get involved in but leaves a little cerebral question mark.

What I wanted to elicit were opinions from a range of people -from casual visitors to residents past and present- to get a feel for what it's like to live there - Or want to leave. That's it , simple. Not necessarily interested in the personal bs you find everywhere with people who have too much time.

unbob - 12-26-2011 at 09:16 AM

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Originally posted by shari

Because it is a newly "discovered" area, and is a lovely village to live in, more people are interested in buying here ... it is a growth area and a great place to live to there is more interest in real estate.

There are more people wanting to buy here than people selling homes.

There is very very very little crime and the village is super friendly....not to mention the fishing is pretty darn good.

Both those homes for sale right now are fantastic and will make someone very happy.

Ironic. Your postings of course only encourages more gringos to populate your "lovely village to live in" - which in turn ultimately degrades the quality of life in your community. Bottom line: $$$ talks and people need to survive and that will never change. Sad but true. Que Sera, Sera.

shari - 12-26-2011 at 09:30 AM

Unbob...have you ever been to Asuncion?

I do not feel that the few expats that live here degrade the quality of life in any way whatsoever...quite the opposite, they have enhanced the community, made lots of amigos, bring new ideas, have injected cash into the economy, and help out wherever they can and add to the vitality of a growing village.

Locals here have benefited greatly by selling properties that cost them nothing and with the cash, they are able fix up their own casas, send their kids to college, fix their cars etc. Call me crazy but through my eyes, these are positive aspects that have enhanced the area.

bajabass - 12-26-2011 at 09:42 AM

I've spent a few days at Shari and Juan's place. They, Stan, and a few of their friends that I met, were all great people. First time into town, wandering lost, a young local noticed my circling antics. In my terrible Spanish, I asked where Juan and Shari's house was. He promptly led me all the way across town. Nice. Friendly.

Living full time there will take a commitment that some may not be able to keep. It is remote, so many may try, and some will leave. Hence, homes and lots for sale. The place is beautiful, and the co-op will help keep it that way. More Canadians and Americans will come, but the town will have to grow substantially before there would be a mass migration of mainstream ex-pats that want more local conveniences such as airports, malls, big box stores, movie theaters, not to mention medical facilities to handle serious problems, conditions, ect.

I'd love it there, but Dra. Bajabass needs a larger patient base to draw from.

David K - 12-26-2011 at 09:43 AM

I have been to Asuncion... and Shari is the kindest, most generous person you could meet. We don't have any interest in living there because it is a fisherman's paradise and we aren't fishermen. I know many Nomads who have made Asuncion their second home, so don't dwell on the ONE Nomad who didn't fit in or her reasons why.

woody with a view - 12-26-2011 at 09:54 AM

DK keep you personal problems out of this discussion, please. and since you can't do it, why not expound on your version of why someone "didn't fit in, or her reasons why?"

what a tool.

unbob - 12-26-2011 at 09:56 AM

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Originally posted by shari
Unbob...have you ever been to Asuncion?

I do not feel that the few expats that live here degrade the quality of life in any way whatsoever...quite the opposite, they have enhanced the community, made lots of amigos, bring new ideas, have injected cash into the economy, and help out wherever they can and add to the vitality of a growing village.

Locals here have benefited greatly by selling properties that cost them nothing and with the cash, they are able fix up their own casas, send their kids to college, fix their cars etc. Call me crazy but through my eyes, these are positive aspects that have enhanced the area.

No, I haven't yet visited - though I wish I had. Sounds great. And please don't take my comments as any sort of put-down of your community. I'm sure it's another little slice of Paradise.

My comments were simply addressing my negativity re the "growth is good" philosophy in our capitalistic society where "more" is always considered "better". It would be a shame to see Asuncion become a "town" and then a "bustling city". Hopefully, your bliss will remain intact at least during our lifetime.

shari - 12-26-2011 at 10:30 AM

thank you Unbob...i certainly understand these concerns and we often talk about it. Asuncion has some limiting factors to growth that will most likely keep things nice...it's not for everyone thank goodness but most of who have bought here are very comfortable and happy.

David K - 12-26-2011 at 10:39 AM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
DK keep you personal problems out of this discussion, please. and since you can't do it, why not expound on your version of why someone "didn't fit in, or her reasons why?"

what a tool.

I said nothing of my personal problems...??? :rolleyes:

I consider Shari a friend... and I have seen how much she has helped Nomads to discover and enjoy Asuncion. For one person to not get along with the rest of the Nomad community and to be credited by 'Lobsterman' as a valid reason for blaming Shari on her (or anyone else's) decision to leave Asuncion is pretty warped...

I thought you liked Juan and Shari, Woody? Do you put the one negative Nomad ahead of hundreds of positive Asuncion reporting Nomads?

dtbushpilot - 12-26-2011 at 10:43 AM

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What woody said....
Geeeezz DK, it's getting harder and harder to be your ally, you really should try thinking before you post......

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all!

woody with a view - 12-26-2011 at 10:50 AM

i happen to be friends with both camps.

i won't take sides in something i know little to nothing about. something to consider yourself, on occasion?

Islandbuilder - 12-26-2011 at 10:58 AM

It's an interesting quirk of human nature that we continue to seek "perfect" community, in the face of thousands of years of human history showing that we just can't live together in anything resembling perfect peace.

I no longer expect to find a community in which there is no friction or disagreement. If I ever DID find one, I would just mess it up by moving into it!

All we can hope for is that we express our disagreements in respectful ways, and usually, that respect is born of shared life experience. And that, my friends, is more likely to happen in the fishbowl existence of a small village than it is in the anonymity of urban life.

It is my experience that the folks who have dominant personalites struggle with others wired the same way. Small towns, especially those which are remote and essentially a "closed system" are especially difficult for some, because there is no safe place to vent and we deal with the folks we may be in conflict with on a daily basis. That's small towns everywhere, not just in Baja.

It takes some specific personal wiring to make it work, and for most of us, the only way to find out if we can do it, is to jump in and try. After living on a small island for almost 25 years, I am small town to the core, and I'm pretty sure I can be happy in a place like BA. But, if you're coming from a large town, where your connections with others are based more on shared interests and activities, or on world views and politics, you should rent in a small place for a while to see if it's right for you.

Islandbuilder - 12-26-2011 at 11:05 AM

I gotta say that the reactions to DK's post seem over the top, in the context of this thread. If you guys are shading DK's comments based on other posts in other threads I suggest you too, think before you post. It disrespects those of us who are new and aren't yet parts of anyone's clique by waging gorilla wars across the breadth of the board.

I have read and enjoyed posts by everyone here, DK and Woody in particular. Please don't fight in front of the kids. :saint:

BajaGringo - 12-26-2011 at 11:15 AM

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Originally posted by Islandbuilder
It's an interesting quirk of human nature that we continue to seek "perfect" community, in the face of thousands of years of human history showing that we just can't live together in anything resembling perfect peace.

I no longer expect to find a community in which there is no friction or disagreement. If I ever DID find one, I would just mess it up by moving into it!

All we can hope for is that we express our disagreements in respectful ways, and usually, that respect is born of shared life experience. And that, my friends, is more likely to happen in the fishbowl existence of a small village than it is in the anonymity of urban life.

It is my experience that the folks who have dominant personalites struggle with others wired the same way. Small towns, especially those which are remote and essentially a "closed system" are especially difficult for some, because there is no safe place to vent and we deal with the folks we may be in conflict with on a daily basis. That's small towns everywhere, not just in Baja.

It takes some specific personal wiring to make it work, and for most of us, the only way to find out if we can do it, is to jump in and try. After living on a small island for almost 25 years, I am small town to the core, and I'm pretty sure I can be happy in a place like BA. But, if you're coming from a large town, where your connections with others are based more on shared interests and activities, or on world views and politics, you should rent in a small place for a while to see if it's right for you.

What he said...

BajaNomad - 12-26-2011 at 11:59 AM

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Originally posted by Islandbuilder
Please don't fight in front of the kids. :saint:

Yeah... ^^^^^^^^ What he said! ^^^^^^^^^

Nan&D - 12-26-2011 at 12:15 PM

We're not going nowhere, unless maybe camping at San Roque :yes:

New Year's eve bash at our place. Old friends and new, come on over!
Nan

woody with a view - 12-26-2011 at 12:31 PM

i'll apologize to the new folks who haven't developed calluses yet. i'll also defend a friend (or any of you i don't know) if some retard tosses a bomb in your direction without any reason.

now i'll go away....

dtbushpilot - 12-26-2011 at 01:03 PM

What woody said......dt

DENNIS - 12-26-2011 at 02:27 PM

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Originally posted by Islandbuilder
I no longer expect to find a community in which there is no friction or disagreement. If I ever DID find one, I would just mess it up by moving into it!

You'll have no problems here:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_LwT-evCQYIE/TMyoj1tBsCI/AAAAAAAAAB...

Bicho - 12-26-2011 at 08:35 PM

IT SEEMS LIKE ....This has nothing to do with either Shari or David K... once again!

More like it's about two sets of folks who want to sell properties and whether someone is under cutting the other's price or whether someone is trying to get one up on the other by intimidation and innuendo ....skillful manipulation?? Powerful statements about rules in Mexico by some who actually may not know what they are talking about...followed by BS that never gets erased by juvenile nicey-nicey.

Me thinks there are less public ways to access information than this forum..
..look before you leap...check before you speak

It has been suggested that there are many observers of this forum on the Mexico side ...perhaps the capital gains police in the US are also lurkers and who knows??? some folks may end up in the soup while busy distracted by trying to control others!

Living in Baja is a crap-shoot...get in or get out! Love it or leave it...Live and let live....

[Edited on 12-27-2011 by Bicho]

Islandbuilder - 12-26-2011 at 09:17 PM

Dennis, I'm sure I can find a way to mess up even THAT pristine neighborhood. Looks like a tough set of Deed Restrictions!

the exodus'

Mula - 12-27-2011 at 08:49 AM

I think people who have invested and built are now done with that aspect of their lives and ready to move on to other things.

The type of people Baja attracts are generally the adventurous types and too much of one thing gets boring, . . . .time to move on.

And we wish them well in their new adventures!

Growing - always - is what keeps us alive and strong.

There's an exodus in San Nicolas, too, with 3 or 4 places up for sale now.

The road in and out, the off the grid living and the years take a toll.

Just saying . . . .

absinvestor - 12-27-2011 at 10:31 AM

KaceyJ- We considered purchasing a home in Asuncion but didn't for the following reasons: 1. Prices seemed high compared to other parts of Baja.2. Tough ride to major shopping. 3. We didn't get the small town feeling when communicating with a several different groups of teenagers (Nothing negative here- guess we got spoiled by the super respect shown by teenagers in some other BajaSur towns.)4. Minimal shopping. 5. Weather a little chilly - we previously lived in Punta Banda which is near Ensenada. We had hoped that as we moved south (even on the Pacific side) that the weather would be warmer.(We loved Punta Banda but prefer much warmer weather and water temps.) We only spent a couple of weeks in Asuncion so we are far from experts. In my opinion Asuncion is beautiful and well worth a visit to explore on your own.

KaceyJ - 12-28-2011 at 09:23 AM

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Originally posted by absinvestor
KaceyJ- We considered purchasing a home in Asuncion but didn't for the following reasons: 1. Prices seemed high compared to other parts of Baja.2. Tough ride to major shopping. 3. We didn't get the small town feeling when communicating with a several different groups of teenagers (Nothing negative here- guess we got spoiled by the super respect shown by teenagers in some other BajaSur towns.)4. Minimal shopping. 5. Weather a little chilly - we previously lived in Punta Banda which is near Ensenada. We had hoped that as we moved south (even on the Pacific side) that the weather would be warmer.(We loved Punta Banda but prefer much warmer weather and water temps.) We only spent a couple of weeks in Asuncion so we are far from experts. In my opinion Asuncion is beautiful and well worth a visit to explore on your own.

Thanks absinvestor, you bring up some good points. I have briefly visited BA to help with a delivery.

This is the kind of material I was looking for. One thing about the peninsula is that you can pick and choose from a wide variety of climates which is of course an important criteria in selecting a new location.

We are currently considering some different areas and all have their plus and minuses.

BA (+'s ), remoteness, small berg , one day drive to border.
TS-pescadero (+'s) temperate climate
E. cape (+'s) warm water
Boquete (coffee!)

baronvonbob - 12-28-2011 at 09:29 AM

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Originally posted by KaceyJ

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San Quintin?

San Quintin

KaceyJ - 12-28-2011 at 09:47 AM

I like San Quintin bob

Other than being a big dusty bustling ag center and the sinaloans moved in, it has about everything you could need. Shopping, materials, restaurants, good fishing, climate like SanDiego, reasonable prices & 4-5 hours drive from the border. There's lots of exploring opportunites nearby and they have their own oyster farm. Out on the coast is near ideal.

baronvonbob - 12-28-2011 at 09:54 AM

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Originally posted by KaceyJ
I like San Quintin bob

Other than being a big dusty bustling ag center and the sinaloans moved in, it has about everything you could need. Shopping, materials, restaurants, good fishing, climate like SanDiego, reasonable prices & 4-5 hours drive from the border. There's lots of exploring opportunites nearby and they have their own oyster farm. Out on the coast is near ideal.

Have a place there if interested! U2 me

redmesa - 12-28-2011 at 09:44 PM

We have several properties in B.A. for 4 years and continue to love the place. To answer the original questions: !) It seems that there has been an influx of Gringos and so, of course, there will be those that want to change their minds or move on. 2) It is a small town so it is a place for personal differences that seem inordinately large. 3) B.A. is inconviennt if you want to be near a major service area, true! 4) Hardly any Gringos live there full time and just a few of us are partial timers. 5) In my mind there is never a place with too many Canadians. 6) As far as I know there is next to no crime but as anywhere it could happen. 7) The coops are why B.A. is a stable and livable community. They are a tremendous asset. 8) Hmm Beer...What a silly concern...never noticed any beer shortage unless you want Canadian.
There is nothing special about B.A. and yet to me it is special. Most of us would not even know about Bahia Asucion without Shari and Juan. They are not saints nor saviours but I count them as friends and that is the most important thing to me.