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What months devil rays most active?

mdcaton - 12-30-2011 at 03:05 PM

Hi everyone, I've never seen devil rays in the wild and would like to go out on the Gulf of California when I have the best chance of seeing them. Any particular time of year? Thanks in advance.

DENNIS - 12-30-2011 at 03:08 PM

What's a Devil Ray? I thought they were a hockey team.

Mantas...maybe?


ooooops....Welcome to BajaNomad. Someone will be along shortly to fill you in.

[Edited on 12-30-2011 by DENNIS]

Ken Bondy - 12-30-2011 at 03:27 PM

If you are referring to the rays that often launch themselves from the surface those are called mobulas.

Islandbuilder - 12-30-2011 at 03:30 PM

Ha! Good you got to meet Dennis first!
I think others will have better info than I do, but the more correct common name is, as Dennis said, Manta Ray.
A google search with the words Manta Ray and Sea of Cortez (the other, again, more common name) should give some information.

Also try a YouTube search.

Good luck, and welcome!

Ken Bondy - 12-30-2011 at 04:08 PM

mdcaton it would be helpful to know which ray you are looking for. Both the large Pacific manta ray (Manta birostris) and the smaller mobula (family Myliobatidae) have been colloquially referred to as "devil rays". Manta rays are rarely seen in the Sea of Cortez now, having been mostly killed by fishermen. They can reliably be seen at the Revillagigedos Islands, about 250 miles south of Cabo San Lucas, but sightings in the SOC are unusual. Mobulas, on the other hand, are still relatively plentiful in the SOC. They are the rays that commonly breach and launch themselves out of the water, which is a spectacular sight. In my experience mobulas are most often seen in the summer months.

This is a mobula:


This is a manta:

Gaucho - 12-30-2011 at 04:36 PM

Great shots Ken! Were those taken in the SOC?

acadist - 12-30-2011 at 04:38 PM

You know it's gonna be a good day when the water is like glass and you see those rays jumping!!!

Ken Bondy - 12-30-2011 at 04:39 PM

Thanks gaucho. The manta was taken at Isla San Benedicto in the Mexican Revillagigedos, the mobula at Cocos Island, Costa Rica.

Islandbuilder - 12-30-2011 at 05:31 PM

Wow Ken, thank you for the great pics and the clarification.
So, it's the mobula we see jumping off of Cabo. And Mantas aren't as likely to be present, or to jump, right?
Do you know what the market was for the Mantas?

Thanks.

Ken Bondy - 12-30-2011 at 05:43 PM

Islandbuilder

Yes, the jumpers are all mobulas. To the best of my knowledge mantas do not jump. I have never seen a manta leave the water (on its own), and have never heard of such a documented report. At the southern SOC sites where mantas used to be regularly seen (El Bajo, Las Animas, Cerralvo...) they are very rare now. To my knowledge the market for mantas was similar to other rays that have been slaughtered to make fake scallops (called "sea scallops" in US restaurants) using "cookie-cutter" devices to gouge out the meat from the wings. The big, docile mantas were easy targets and were readily speared when they were near the surface.

Islandbuilder - 12-30-2011 at 08:28 PM

Thanks Ken. Yep, I've seen the plug cutter approach before, but it was a LONG time ago when I was in the Sea Food business in Santa Barbara.

There is also a sad part of our species that just plain likes to kill stuff bigger than us. For food, OK, but to kill for nothing other than to prove some point is pathetic.

DENNIS - 12-30-2011 at 08:33 PM

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Originally posted by Ken Bondy
Islandbuilder

To my knowledge the market for mantas was similar to other rays that have been slaughtered to make fake scallops (called "sea scallops" in US restaurants) using "cookie-cutter" devices to gouge out the meat from the wings. The big, docile mantas were easy targets and were readily speared when they were near the surface.


Even today, Ken, Manta Raya is commonly sold at the large grocery stores, Comercial Mexicana and others, not as scallops but in sheets or slabs of meat.

Ken Bondy - 12-30-2011 at 08:36 PM

Thanks DENNIS, sad to hear that.

jumber's

captkw - 12-30-2011 at 08:38 PM

I belive the local's (me) usally call them monteray's or monterey's.. they are not referd to as diablo's(devil"s) or not that,, I have ever heard,,and the cookee cutter,, thing,I have not tryed myself,but used hear ,it all the time,me, I like real scollop's and the best time,,,hhmm, ya got me one that one,,I can say, that just few ago,I saw a hell of an lot more of them and one of the cooler display's of the del mar..K&T

[Edited on 12-31-2011 by captkw]

DENNIS - 12-30-2011 at 09:42 PM

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Originally posted by Ken Bondy
Thanks DENNIS, sad to hear that.


More sadness.....I may have mentioned this to you a little while back, but remember the round, thatch roofed restaurant between Ensenada and Maneadero....well, they bulldozed it. Don't know what their plans are, but they don't include the restaurant.

KaceyJ - 12-30-2011 at 10:18 PM

To answer your question based on my observations most simply

August and September,

IMEx, , the warmer the water , the more active

Good populations exist South of LA bahia,

Between San Marcos Isle and Conception Pt. to the South is a good place to see the jumping phenomena on a consistant basis

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durrelllrobert - 12-31-2011 at 12:43 PM

Cypress - 10-20-2006 at 15:38
First, you catch a stingray, then punch out some plugs with a sharpened piece of pipe, Remove skin. Scallops.


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baitcast - 12-31-2011 at 01:05 PM

You have seen the big ones now here is the little ones.

thefishkiller - 1-1-2012 at 01:24 PM

Stingrays Boiling

A little video i shot while fishing a few miles north of san jose.

DENNIS - 1-1-2012 at 01:35 PM

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Originally posted by thefishkiller
Stingrays Boiling

A little video i shot while fishing a few miles north of san jose.


Amazing footage. Thanks...and welcome to BajaNomad.



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[Edited on 1-1-2012 by DENNIS]

video

captkw - 1-1-2012 at 01:51 PM

cool video east of san jose,,past that point in your video (punta gorda) where I spent yrs helping biuld a house,depending on a water truck, (still do) that was always breaking,or deverted to another house,and hung over drivers,it was an amazing feat,,and I have seen a lot of jumpers inthat area,rather consistent of any place I know..:cool: K&T

Ramon - 1-1-2012 at 11:28 PM

captkw... Whaaaaat?..... or were the past few ones Tecate Typing?

ramon

captkw - 1-2-2012 at 02:01 AM

HOLA, I'm trying to understand your post,,but,no luck ,,,but I did watch video again,and my post is valid..are you,,implying,that is not punta gordo ?? uuuhh, that there are no jumpers in the video???? what's your point ?? and it's a great video,,,back, to finding ice for my tecate...out:cool: K&T

Cardon Man - 1-4-2012 at 07:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by captkw
I belive the local's (me) usally call them monteray's or monterey's.. they are not referd to as diablo's(devil"s)


Hey Cap...What you are hearing the locals say is "manta-raya". Not Monterey. That's a big city in Mexico.

One will also hear them referred to as "cubana". Why...I have no idea!

[Edited on 1-4-2012 by Cardon Man]

GrOUper-GAr - 1-4-2012 at 02:02 PM

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Originally posted by Ken Bondy
... Manta rays are rarely seen in the Sea of Cortez now, having been mostly killed by fishermen. They can reliably be seen at the Revillagigedos Islands, about 250 miles south of Cabo San Lucas, but sightings in the SOC are unusual. Mobulas, on the other hand, are still relatively plentiful in the SOC. They are the rays that commonly breach and launch themselves out of the water, which is a spectacular sight. In my experience mobulas are most often seen in the summer months.

mdcaton,
I've also witnessed many leaping Mobula in the East Cape/Bahia de Palmas area. And like Ken said, mostly in the summer.
Baja sounds like a real long shot for Mantas now a days.
(Personally, I've never seen one in Baja waters).
If swimming with a Manta is your goal, maybe another Location will heighten your odds. Throughout the 90's I made many trips to Puerto Vallarta and had regular Manta sightings on the southern shores of Bahia Banderas.(mostly fall). In those days, I saw them while Kayaking/small boating as far inside the bay as Los Arcos(islands/rocks) and Mismaloya beach. (reachable by car-& as close as 200 yards offshore).
This could be an alternative option to the Revillagigedos Islands to start a Manta search.
But, that said, I don't know what toll the "sea Scallop" industry has taken on Mantas down there over the last 10 yrs.
GoOd LuCk,
GroUPer

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cordan man

captkw - 1-4-2012 at 04:20 PM

hola, what, I hear the most, is monta raya's which is montery's is some some dialect's and I have been all over the mainland and have been,, close to monterey,mex but did not drive into it,,but today, I worked in moterey ca, which has LOT of baja ties,,that alot of people, dont seem to read about or tie in the fact's,,I'll start with cabrillo......:cool:........ K&T

Festus - 1-7-2012 at 08:37 AM

I'm curious to know why they jump? Is it flight from predators, chasing prey or just for fun?

jumper's

captkw - 1-7-2012 at 08:44 AM

fetus,,that has been,discussed, around, many a baja camp fire,,and I think,,so far,,the number 1 vote,,so far,,is that,,simply put,,,,,they are happy,,,,2nd ,,vote,,getting rid of hitchhiker's.(parasite's)........3rd,,vote,,,playing,,UFO....:lol: K&T

Ken Bondy - 1-7-2012 at 09:02 AM

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Originally posted by Festus
I'm curious to know why they jump? Is it flight from predators, chasing prey or just for fun?


Festus the prevalent opinion among marine biologists is that they jump to dislodge parasites and other hitchhikers. I prefer the anthropomorphic explanation - it just feels good!

captkw - 1-7-2012 at 09:13 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by captkw
fetus,,that has been,discussed, around, many a baja camp fire,,and I think,,so far,,the number 1 vote,,so far,,is that,,simply put,,,,,they are happy,,,,2nd ,,vote,,getting rid of hitchhiker's.(parasite's)........3rd,,vote,,,playing,,UFO....:lol: K&T