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Baja Cruises - I'm considering it. Based on your experience, would you do it again?

Ken Cooke - 1-6-2012 at 07:13 AM

Is it worth the price of admission? $300 for 2 people/4 nights? Seriously? Or, does a first-timer get nickel and dimed to death???

Beautiful Sea Life as seen from a massive cruise ship

Military support used to bring a dead cruise ship back to life :!:

World Class Entertainment! Ole!

Fun, new people to hang out with.

Howard - 1-6-2012 at 08:21 AM

If in fact the $300 includes all taxes and port charges, go for it! Make sure that $300 includes that.

Hell, 4 nights for $300? For $37.50 each per day (plus tips) you could spend that much on the land just for food.

The will nickel and dime you to death but if you don't play their game you will be fine. When you boared they will take your credit card info. and you simply sign for everythin for the entire time. The drinks are expensive and it's soooo easy to just sign for them.

Lots and lots of corny fun and I am not even sure it's worth getting off the ship at the ports of call.

Don't forget to go to the napkin or towel folding class, so you can make all sorts of great animals out of an ordinary towel or napkin. Naturally have a couple of coktails first!

If you do go, U2U me and I will give you some major money saving tips.
Howard

bajaguy - 1-6-2012 at 08:22 AM

Would never go on a cruise unless I had a balcony room.

Spend the extra money and do a 7 night trip

Udo - 1-6-2012 at 08:30 AM

I'm with Terry on this one. I've been on several of them (about 14, all to either Alaska or Mexico).
Pay the extra $ and take a small balcony room. We've even been in the Captain's sweet...great for extra space, but you don't see any more.
For the three day, take a cabin on the left side (port side)
If you fall for the extras, count on about another $500.00+ (drinks, optional dining, beers, soft drinks, photos, duty-free shopping, gambling, etc.)

Ken Cooke - 1-6-2012 at 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by Udo
If you fall for the extras, count on about another $500.00+ (drinks, optional dining, beers, soft drinks, photos, duty-free shopping, gambling, etc.)

This is the part where I would have a problem. I would bring my own liquor and soft drinks on the ship - walking to the stores from the ports of call myself. No Taxis, no one to run errands for me, etc.

Truthfully, Ensenada (Ruta de Vino) by Jeep sounds so much easier and less expensive.

Islandbuilder - 1-6-2012 at 12:44 PM

As the operator of an "Un-Cruise Ship" I would be appalled if you went and enjoyed yourself. Most folks on here seem to be more hands-on adventurers than many of the people I see wandering Juneau or Ketchikan.
If you want to see Ensenada and Cabo (and why, at least as far as Cabo is concerned, would you?) you'll get more out of wandering on your own when there's no ship in port than you will joining your new 3000 friends as they experience the "Cruise ship in town special pricing" shopping of the port towns.
When we go through Juneau in early May, the stores aimed at cruise guests (and owned by the cruise lines) are just taking down their plywood window covers. The day the windows are opened up, the 70% Off Sale signs go up, and stay there until they're packed up in September and moved to Cabo or Nassau.
Why willingly subject yourself to that?!
I will admit that I'm intrigued by the engineering behind the sceens in the big ships, but not enough so that I'm willing to risk Legionaire's disease to check it out first hand.

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bajaguy - 1-6-2012 at 01:16 PM

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Originally posted by Ken Cooke

This is the part where I would have a problem. I would bring my own liquor and soft drinks on the ship - walking to the stores from the ports of call myself. No Taxis, no one to run errands for me, etc. .

Actually, you are "prohibited" from bringing your own alcohol/soft drinks aboard. When you board, it's just like an airport. You have to go through a metal detector and again after every time you get off the ship. Not sure if they are x-raying luggage yet.

If you buy bottles of alcohol on shore, they "hold it" for you till you disembark.

Best bet is to get the soft drink package for the ship and get your fill of beer/alcohol on the port stops.....why pay $5 for a beer on the ship when you can get one off the ship for $1.

No cash transactions on board.......they charge EVERYTHING to your credit card.

[Edited on 1-6-2012 by bajaguy]

bajamedic - 1-6-2012 at 06:54 PM

I did the seven day cruise with Royal Caribbean, out of San Pedro as part of my honeymoon in 2004. We stopped in Ensenada, Cabo, Mazatlan and Puerto Vallarta; I would gladly do it again, as I have many very affectionate memories :tumble:

on that trip. Mazatlan was the only city that I wished that we would have just stayed on the ship. And yes the honeymoon part was memorable, but getting out and exploring the sites both in and around each of the city’s left us ready to visit again. JH

Udo - 1-6-2012 at 07:07 PM

That's what we did after our second cruise.
They never check your LUGGAGE on the way in. Hide the drinks in the closet or drawers.

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Originally posted by Ken Cooke I would bring my own liquor and soft drinks on the ship

Ken Cooke - 1-6-2012 at 08:28 PM

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Originally posted by Udo
That's what we did after our second cruise.
They never check your LUGGAGE on the way in. Hide the drinks in the closet or drawers.

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Originally posted by Ken Cooke I would bring my own liquor and soft drinks on the ship

Thanks for the tip, Udo!

mcfez - 1-7-2012 at 09:52 AM

Ken....
That cruise originates out of San Pedro....for many years. Cruising is good only if you want to lay back....and get a "taste" the areas the ship is pulling in. The port calls are short. If you wish to get away for the port "area" and travel outward...consider taxi fare and such. Cruising is great for taking kids on...the wife perhaps...certainly Grandma and Grandpa. Just dont expect to see the "country much". We cruise.....only when the wife demands it......

The Baja cruise is good for the fare cost.....if you feel like relaxing. The food sucks. They will nickel and dime you to death.

Hey.....cruise over to Catalina!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The wife will love you for that. Catalina is like going to Caribbean.

[Edited on 1-7-2012 by mcfez]

Pompano - 1-7-2012 at 10:16 AM

No brainer. Just Go.

Waste quality time with your gal?... because you're thinking about saving a few bucks?

Naw, you know better.

In fact, go POSH.

Portside Out, Starboard Home.

Packoderm - 1-7-2012 at 12:00 PM

Late last summer, my son and my sister took a 4 day cruise from L.A. to Catalina Island to Ensenada and back. The cruise cost a little over $350 each of which my son paid his own way with his allowance money he saved during the year. My son bought a pendant thing that got him unlimited soft drinks on board. That didn't cost too much. The meals are free. They took the shuttle to La Bufadora, and my son says he liked that a lot. Don't listen to the haters. Cruises are fun and cool in their lame kind of way. Bring a swimsuit.

capt. mike - 1-7-2012 at 02:53 PM

here is why i don't like cruises:

no.1 the bars and casinos on board are a total ripoff as far as drinks, beers, wine - WINE!! That is a huge cash cow for them and revenue stream. If you like to drink especially on vaca - expect to spend thru the nose unless you only have one or 2. If you want to get a good buzz or polish a full bottle of good wine - will cost you plenty - daily!

here's how some friends do it. and they love cruises.
they pack rum inside plastic large shampoo and conditioner bottles. they have never gotten busted. for a 7 day deal they bring plenty of shampoo etc... and on shore leave they enjoy plenty of cheap booze before re embarking so a buzz has begun, then toddies on the balcony.
the food is good tho and too much of it.

vandenberg - 1-7-2012 at 03:04 PM

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Originally posted by capt. mike

here's how some friends do it. and they love cruises.
they pack rum inside plastic large shampoo and conditioner bottles. they have never gotten busted. for a 7 day deal they bring plenty of shampoo etc...

And here I thought I invented this. :biggrin:

24baja - 1-7-2012 at 04:04 PM

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Our friends got around the alcohol rule by filling several camel bags and puting them in their luggage. Apparently they exray the luggage, but since it is not in a bottle they don't have a clue. If you go, have a good time

[Edited on 1-7-2012 by 24baja]

Necessity is the mother on invention !

Howard - 1-7-2012 at 04:06 PM

Got one better for the booze. I took my nephews on the cruise and I gave them one assignment. Figure out how to smuggle vodka and gin on the ship. This is genius.

They took 2 very large bottles of Listerine in plastic bottles and cleaned them out thoroughly. Poured the vodka in and added food coloring to match the exact color of Listerine. Worked perfectly and if they asked, of which they did not, we were going to tell them it was Dr. orders to gargle multiple times a day.

The ships only serve juice in the morning, so stock up in the A.M. and get ready for your Happy Hour later that day!

Got to love the younger generation.

tripledigitken - 1-7-2012 at 04:13 PM

NO.

We took a western Caribbean cruise in 1991 and haven't done another one. We flew into Miami and spent a day and night there before we left. The cruise was fine, good value, but all I have wanted to do since in thinking about the trip, is to go back to South Beach and travel down to the Keys and go fishing.

That is how I'd spend my "cruise" money.

Ken

[Edited on 1-7-2012 by tripledigitken]

Ken Cooke - 1-7-2012 at 04:30 PM

I have seen deals for appox. $150/4 nights including Ensenada and Cabo. For the price, I think it would be fun and not cost too much money out of pocket (if I bring my own shampoo).

In 2006, I took a 4 hr. ferry from Helsinki to Tallinn, and it was a great experience - getting to travel and be among the Scandinavians and Europeans. Not having to worry about driving (since Leidys does not know how) will be a treat. If we can find a deal that takes us to Baja for $300-$400 combined, I will go for it.

AmyPNW - 1-7-2012 at 05:02 PM

My husband loves cruises and we do them regularly. We went on a 3-4 night cheap cruise once and thoroughly enjoyed it. Well, except for the one day storm that even made half the crew sick and took out electricity and knocked down trees on shore. But that was a rare occurrence. It was cheaper than lodging, transportation and food combined off the cruise (not counting liquor.)

Just check out the reviews on your cruise line and ship, what is included in the price and if you like the ports of call. Most of the short Baja cruises I googled only went to Ensenada and maybe Catalina and the price didn't include taxes and gratuities. If it really is $300 for two people for everything (except maybe liquor, soft drinks and excursions) it should be a fun get-away for a few days.

Unless you're dying to try one of the excursions, and there are some good ones, walk past the obvious ship business in port to the public transportation and check with the locals. I have had some great times doing that.

Bajahowodd - 1-7-2012 at 05:13 PM

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This policy is dependent on the cruise line and the itinerary.

Back before this became an issue, I always looked forward to when the on-board duty free shop opened, and I could buy what I wanted to have in the cabin for the cruise.

We took a Holland America cruise from Rome in 2000, and were dismayed to find that any alcohol purchases at the on-board store would be held until disembarkment. AND, passengers were not allowed to bring any shore-bought alcohol on board.

Yet, on a Princess cruise out of Rome that went to the Black Sea, not only was the on-board stuff carryout, but they had no problem with bringing anything on board from shore.

That said, and in conjunction with a number of other posters, despite it not being related to Baja, the most fabulous cruise we ever took was from Rome, to Athens, with ports in the Black Sea, such as Yalta. A balcony cabin, with timing that had us enjoying brunch on the balcony as we passed through Istanbul was memorable.

Ken Cooke - 1-7-2012 at 07:35 PM

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Originally posted by AmyPNW
Just check out the reviews on your cruise line and ship, what is included in the price and if you like the ports of call. Most of the short Baja cruises I googled only went to Ensenada and maybe Catalina and the price didn't include taxes and gratuities.

I was told that a passenger needed to tip the chef, all of the staff, maids, etc. So, I see the $300/2 passenger price doubling with gratuities and taxes. Drinks and optional dining will add another $100-$200. So, in reality, the hidden prices will combine to just shy of $1,000. Is this correct in everyones opinion?

Because, for $1,000.00 We could spend a solid week in San Felipe (or more) and feel just as relaxed without being bothered with too many people around us.

Islandbuilder - 1-7-2012 at 08:10 PM

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Ken, that was the point I clumsily attempted to make earlier.

Packoderm - 1-7-2012 at 08:54 PM

But if you have never been on a cruise, a boat ride would be a new experience, and a new experience is a good thing.

CortezBlue - 1-7-2012 at 09:47 PM

So here is the good news

No timeshare tours!!

AmyPNW - 1-7-2012 at 09:56 PM

I might do a cruise to experience what it is be like. When we have done them, it has made more financial sense to do the cruise rather than try to do the trip piecemeal ourselves. If you're trying to get a deal, make sure that you will spend less than trying to do the travel, lodging and meals yourself since you have just bought yourself a big floating hotel with interesting stops along the way. Places like Alaska and the Caribbean often do well since it takes so many transportation dollars to travel from the mainland and around them anyway. If you live in Southern California and regularly drive to Baja, a cruise to that destination may not meet the criteria.

To give you a little perspective a reasonable range for a deal is $75-100 per person per day. You might be able to find something for less but read the fine print and make sure it is a ship you would enjoy being on for a few days. San Felipe, cruise ship, whatever. . . have a good time!

El Comadante Loco - 1-7-2012 at 10:22 PM

I am sold on Baja cruises, love them.. I do not shop on board for anything but again I don't shop. I put my booze in my suit case and have not had a problem yet and if I do all they do is take it away and give it back to you at the end of the cruise,
Once in port, I buy soda in the 2 liter bottle bring on board and again no problem.. If you like you can spike your soda with rum..
I tip for service and do not allow the cruise line to add it to my bill automatically All you have to do it to tell the front office to remove it from your bill..
I always tip my steward and dinning room staff well but again I tip for service.. The cruise lines should be ashamed of themselves for paying slave wages to their staff.. I have told them so and have also said that they should pay a fair wage for all those staff who work hard behind the scenes.
I would gladly pay the additional cost of the cruise for staff wages.
Now back to my point about tipping when the tip is automatically added to your bill it takes the service aspect out of the equation and you end up paying for good as well as poor service.
The primary reason I love the Baja cruises is simple it is to fish for 3 days and it's much cheaper than flying, hotel and purchasing meals for the week. Only one big problem, you can not bring your catch on the ship though I have smuggled 2 kilos of fresh Yellow Fin tuna, we caged in Puerto Vallarta, on board for shikimi, I think that is how you spell it.. I cruise to fish...

Enjoy

Packoderm - 1-7-2012 at 10:48 PM

There may come a time in the future when your grandkids might ask, "Grampa, what was it like to go on a cruise back when people went on boats just for fun?"

Ken Cooke - 1-7-2012 at 11:06 PM

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Originally posted by CortezBlue
So here is the good news

No timeshare tours!!

In Santa Marta del Rodadero, Colombia, I was dumb enough to get sucked into one of these offers. I was with a friend, and we wanted to stay at a particular hotel - which was unknown to us, was converted into a timeshare, but was listed in the Lonely Planet - Colombia guidebook as a hotel.

This is infamous Lonely Planet guidebook that made the news. Anyway, we were taken to this hotel and promised a free return trip - wrong. The boiler rooms and the pressure were no joke.

I would never subject myself to one of these hard-sells again.

Packoderm - 1-7-2012 at 11:50 PM

My father told me that when he was a kid, he would go to the Sutro Baths in San Francisco. He said they would jump from a heated salt water pool into a cold fresh water pool. They had heated fresh water and cold salt water pools there too. That's all history now. It would have been a shame for him to miss that experience. Go on that silly cruise Ken - even if only to boast how much it sucks.

Packoderm - 1-7-2012 at 11:52 PM

And what's with that picture of Sammy Hagar?

Ken Cooke - 1-8-2012 at 01:10 AM

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Originally posted by Packoderm
And what's with that picture of Sammy Hagar?

He's the King of Cabo!

Him and Oscar de la Hoya! :lol:

I'll keep my eyes peeled for a super-cheap cruise and report back on how much fun was programmed into my day.

Cruising...

EnsenadaDr - 1-8-2012 at 07:28 AM

There is no greater experience than cruising, that is in fact if you love being on the water or near the water (any desert rats out there that don't like the water living in Baja??)...my daughter loved it cause she went to the kids club all day, my son loved it when he was little cause he ran around and made me go crazy looking for him while he hid in the movie theater and laughed about it...and I loved it because I met alot of great people and there are parties night and day...of course I do confess to retiring to my cabin a few nights and watching a movie while they delivered steak and lobster to my room...there is also food available 24 hours a day...my ex brother-in-law is up to about 275 lbs now and finds cruising an addiction...(hmmm...wonder why??) so make sure you take your Zumba lessons on board to balance out the Pina Coladas and fried shrimp!!!

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Originally posted by Packoderm
And what's with that picture of Sammy Hagar?

He's the King of Cabo!

Him and Oscar de la Hoya! :lol:

I'll keep my eyes peeled for a super-cheap cruise and report back on how much fun was programmed into my day.

mcfez - 1-8-2012 at 08:32 AM

In the early a.m. day of the departure from your trip (last day)......the ship will leave you the tally for all charges...and a list of who should get the tips. There's no way would I blindly give tips to those that dont deserve it......example is the guys that do the ship's laundry. Really?! I tip to ONLY who earned it......and sometimes the individual is not allowed to accept tips directly from a passenger.......you'll have to game that out.

Two years ago we went on the Inside Passage route going up to Alaska. I tipped good to four employees....120 bucks. The largest amount went to the cabin's service......then second went to a dinner server.

BTW.....not all meals are free!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is always a steak house...or some special eatery on board...these will cost you big bucks. The ice cream bar is not free either. Basically you will be have buffet style or banquet meals.

While the officials on board may not be checking for booze......there have been times that I have seen the sniffling dogs in the cargo warehouses (where all luggage ends up at before loading onto the ship) doing their drug thing.......dont take pot or whatever.

Do take candy and such!

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Islandbuilder - 1-8-2012 at 03:03 PM

To add to what some others have said; read the fine print and assume nothing.

I met a couple in Juneau a few years ago, they had spent all their money booking the cheapest cruise they could find for their Honeymoon. The problem was, they "assumed" that all cruises were all inclusive. They came aboard with $50 cash, no credit cards, and then discovered that meals weren't included in their ticket.

Word of their plight got out among the other guests, and they were invited to dinner every night, but they were still starving because they couldn't afford breakfast or lunch. They were looking for a store so they could buy bread and peanut butter.

Different cruise lines have different policies, so read, and choose carefully. The cheapest ticket may not be the cheapest trip when all the extras (like food?!) are added in.

Enjoy your cruise!

Deno, now you are making me nervous!

Ken Cooke - 1-8-2012 at 07:22 PM

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Originally posted by mcfez
I tipped good to four employees....120 bucks. The largest amount went to the cabin's service......then second went to a dinner server.

BTW.....not all meals are free!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is always a steak house...or some special eatery on board...these will cost you big bucks. The ice cream bar is not free either. Basically you will be have buffet style or banquet meals.

It seems as if a cruise ship is nothing but a big, floating ATM machine that intends to clean out your account!

Traveling around Baja is nothing like this. :no:

I would like to do this for my Wife, but thanks to everyone's advice, we might have to $$Save$$ big for a 3-4 day trip. Who would have thought?

Packoderm - 1-8-2012 at 07:45 PM

Ken, it's not always expensive. Like I said, my 11 year old son paid his own way on a Carnival cruise to Ensenada. All meals were free, he didn't elect to drink booze, the unlimited soft drinks were $25. The cruise lines basically give the cruise away and make their profits on selling alcoholic drinks. If you must be altered on board, just stop at the doctors to get Valium for cruise anxiety.

Islandbuilder - 1-8-2012 at 07:45 PM

Ken, I think that for most of us cruise critics, the intent was to inform you of things that have ruined our, or others, cruises so that you would know what to watch out for.

Not to talk you out of taking the trip.

Better to know about the tip policy, extra booze and food costs, and the restrictions on bringing your own food and drink with you than to build a budget that doesn't survive getting your gear into your cabin.

Read all the words, check out cruise advisor, and choose carefully. Then, relax and enjoy!

Giving your wife the trip she wants can't be a bad plan, right?

mcfez - 1-9-2012 at 10:26 AM

Correct!

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Originally posted by Islandbuilder
Ken, I think that for most of us cruise critics, the intent was to inform you of things that have ruined our, or others, cruises so that you would know what to watch out for.

Not to talk you out of taking the trip.

Better to know about the tip policy, extra booze and food costs, and the restrictions on bringing your own food and drink with you than to build a budget that doesn't survive getting your gear into your cabin.

Read all the words, check out cruise advisor, and choose carefully. Then, relax and enjoy!

Giving your wife the trip she wants can't be a bad plan, right?

SteveD - 1-9-2012 at 01:57 PM

Some people cruise for the on-board experience. Some for the ports-of-call. We have gone on cruises where that is about the best way to experience the ports: Alaska Inside Passage, Greek Islands and this April, the Panama Canal. For Baja, most places you can get to by car, it cost a lot less and you get a better experience with the people.

We like Princess Cruises because you can bring on board all of the wine, beer and champaign you want. Our next cruise leaves from San Pedro and we will be taking on about 1 1/2 cases of wine for the 14 days!

A good source to get information on the different cruise lines, ships, ports and any other question you have go on: www.cruisecritic.com. They even have "Roll Calls" for specific cruises so you can meet up with the people you are crusing with in advanced. We joined a few private tours in some of the ports that way. A lot cheeper and better than the ships' tours.

MMc - 1-9-2012 at 08:45 PM

I have won(had to go on) a couple of cruises, they are not for me. The cruse line thinks if you don't have a bad time you had a good one. Most of the folks that like cruises, think they would have fun if they went on one. They never interested me much and I'm glad I didn't pay for them. The food is about on par of good restaurant. You will not get the best meal of your life.
You can do the same stuff when you are in port for about 2/3 cost of what the boat charges with a bit of research.
I got a lot of reading done while at sea. Most of the stuff on board wasn't my cup of tea. Ask yourself if like: Night Clubs, Shows, Gambling, sitting buy the pool, bingo,etc all, then you'll have a good time. Check out the stuff they offer on board if it sounds like fun jump on it. I prefer my vacations to have a higher level of risk and reward. The harder the time the better the story, I've got some great stories.
Yes, the cruse is trying to bleed your wallet for all they can.

Woooosh - 1-9-2012 at 09:21 PM

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And miss out on Legionnaires Disease too?
:saint:

Islandbuilder - 1-9-2012 at 10:42 PM

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Originally posted by Ken Cooke

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And miss out on Legionnaires Disease too?
:saint:

Turns out you're fine as long as you don't breath.

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$279 into $918!?! (minus gratuities, taxes, fuel surcharge, etc.)

Ken Cooke - 1-10-2012 at 06:49 PM

I went ahead and checked the CheapTickets Carnival Cruise page, and for a 3-night trip to "Baja California" in late July, I would pay roughly $1,100.00 to spend 1 day in Ensenada and 3 nights away from home!?! That is outrageous! I could spend 3 weeks in Baja for that much (camping/moteling).

$279 x 2 = mid February fare

$459 x 2 = TOO MUCH MONEY! :light:

woody with a view - 1-10-2012 at 06:56 PM

Ken, you think too much. toe the line buddy! just think, that behemoth will be plying its trade well after you depart $1100 poorer.

woody with a view - 1-10-2012 at 06:58 PM

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I've got some great stories.

i don't believe them. :lol:

none of them..... :lol:

Cruising entertainment...

EnsenadaDr - 1-10-2012 at 07:24 PM

You have to be a people person to go cruising...I have met some wonderful people on cruises and you become fast friends with them in a short period of time... I spent alot of time talking and comparing notes on life. Just like being on an airplane...you make friends after a few hours flight.

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I have won(had to go on) a couple of cruises, they are not for me. The cruse line thinks if you don't have a bad time you had a good one. Most of the folks that like cruises, think they would have fun if they went on one. They never interested me much and I'm glad I didn't pay for them. The food is about on par of good restaurant. You will not get the best meal of your life.
You can do the same stuff when you are in port for about 2/3 cost of what the boat charges with a bit of research.
I got a lot of reading done while at sea. Most of the stuff on board wasn't my cup of tea. Ask yourself if like: Night Clubs, Shows, Gambling, sitting buy the pool, bingo,etc all, then you'll have a good time. Check out the stuff they offer on board if it sounds like fun jump on it. I prefer my vacations to have a higher level of risk and reward. The harder the time the better the story, I've got some great stories.
Yes, the cruse is trying to bleed your wallet for all they can.

Ken Cooke - 1-10-2012 at 09:10 PM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
Ken, you think too much. toe the line buddy! just think, that behemoth will be plying its trade well after you depart $1100 poorer.

After I told my Wife how much we would spend for 3 nights, she shook her head and said, "Cuesta eso??" Maybe in another 25+ years, but for now, we'll be happy traveling in the Rubicon. :yes: