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Escalera Nautica...final results.

surfer jim - 1-10-2012 at 08:38 PM

What accually got "built" for this project?

I know of about 10 miles of nice wide paved road and a small harbor(filled with sand now?). Anybody been there recently? (Name must remain "secret":lol

Other than that did anything else ever get built and in use?

Bob H - 1-10-2012 at 08:51 PM

And, how much money was wasted on this project?

BornFisher - 1-10-2012 at 09:21 PM

The sign maker made a bunch of signs and got rich.
Then he slipped to the dark side, seeking the painted ladies of Guerrero Negro to find his weakness was still upon him. Then............... to be continued!!

DENNIS - 1-10-2012 at 09:29 PM

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Originally posted by Bob H
And, how much money was wasted on this project?

All money into the economy is good. Clean...dirty...stolen...made...all good.

Ateo - 1-10-2012 at 09:57 PM

I'll be driving that 25' foot wide road this week. Total waste except for my personal benefits. Wish they wouldn't have built that harbor. Good thing they didn't make more harbors. Could've really screwed tourism even more.

Roberto - 1-10-2012 at 10:00 PM

Lot of work in Puerto Escondido.

Skipjack Joe - 1-10-2012 at 10:44 PM

I was told that the partially paved road to La Gringa was due to Nautica Escalera. La Gringa was targeted to be a 'ring' in the ladder.

Paulina - 1-10-2012 at 10:55 PM

Fred Hoctor once told me that it would never be built in his lifetime, nor in mine.

P>*)))>{

BornFisher - 1-10-2012 at 11:04 PM

The best way to get more US dollars down south, is put some shoulders on the road and make it 2' wider. Don`t need no stinken ladder to nowhere!!

woody with a view - 1-11-2012 at 06:58 AM

i'm thinking there was a pot of gold at the end of that highway last week when it was huge! but once a year isn't really worth the time and effort.

i happen to know that the rocks that were blasted for the harbor were taken from the ranchers property and never paid for by the govt, no environmental impact studies were ever done in the protected Valle de los Cirios, too much sand movement, etc.... but the road is nice-and the paved pullouts for the big rigs to use...

Bajatripper - 1-11-2012 at 07:14 AM

I've attached three photos taken last summer. Things haven't changed much for the last three years or so. Yes, this "project" was just a big waste of money and an environmental disaster-in-waiting, so I'm glad it hasn't gone anywhere. That said, the people of Santa Rosalillita now have electricity and a nice road to get out to the highway on--something that matters a lot to them since they still have to truck in their water.

[Edited on 1-11-2012 by Bajatripper]

The project is still "afloat"

djh - 1-11-2012 at 07:40 AM

they have simply renamed it . . .

Nautica Titanica . . . . ! !

"Get yer tickets, get yer tickets.... This ship is unsinkable...."

:bounce:

tiotomasbcs - 1-11-2012 at 07:59 AM

Just glad they never built any more harbours... and never destroyed any other beautiful coastlines on the Pacific coastlines! It would have been sittin empty these days! Never count them out, sadly. Tio

Alan - 1-11-2012 at 09:09 AM

Simply based on my 40+ years of traveling in Baja I would have to say it is still far too early to declare this project dead and buried. So many projects have appeared to be abandoned and seem to sit idle for years until suddenly one day they are just finished and open.

As far as answering the question of what got completed I know a lot of work was done at Puerto Escondido and the Fidepaz Marina in La Paz has been completed, paved road into Santa Rosallita, power lines into BoLA, new marina in Cabo, harbors in Santa Rosalia and Loreto, etc. etc. Who knows what was part of normal infrastructure improvement and what got funding or even partial funding from Escalera Nautica but there has been a great many improvements to the infrastucture of Baja in the last 25-30 years since this project was proposed.

I'd have to say this project is right on schedule for Baja and I am confident it will be completed "manana" :lol:

[Edited on 1-11-2012 by Alan]

bill erhardt - 1-11-2012 at 09:46 AM

Don't know if it was just coincident in time or part of the "ladder", but the ramp at Puerto Lopez Mateos which was completed a couple of years ago has made life easier for fishermen launching there. When the tide is high, as in the attached photo, you can actually use the ramp to launch a boat, and when the tide is low the bank alongside the ramp has a suitable slope. It is no longer necessary to search along a mile or so of river bank to find a place to launch where you can float your boat and not get stuck in the mud.

(In Loreto the ramp is the same. We just get to pay to use it now.)

[Edited on 1-11-2012 by bill erhardt]

plmramp.JPG - 47kB

durrelllrobert - 1-11-2012 at 10:56 AM

The following was a July 2009 report:
According to news reports in a number of Mexican publications, FONATUR (Federal Tourism Promotion Fund) has announced that the much ballyhooed Nautical Ladder's final form has been canceled and the assets of the 10 projects that have either been completed or partially completed will be sold.

FONATUR, which over the past six years received more than $1500 million pesos of investment for the project from the federal government, made clear that they no longer have a budget for further investment in it.

Juan Manuel Galarza Tohen, Director General of FONATUR port operations, is cited as saying Merrill Lynch will be the financial agent for the divestiture process. The completed marinas include those in Mazatlan, Sinaloa; Puerto Escondido, La Paz and Santa Rosalia in Baja California Sur; San Felipe in Baja California (Norte); San Blas, Nayarit; Puerto Peñasco and San Carlos, Sonora. In an unfinished state are marinas in Topolobampo, Sinaloa and Santa Rosalillita, BCN.

Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/mexico/717041-escalera-nautic...

[Edited on 1-11-2012 by durrelllrobert]

Loreto Ramp Update

LaTijereta - 1-11-2012 at 11:55 AM

The powers that be here in Loreto have put up some new challenges in getting to the ramp (before they allow you to pay to launch and find secure parking)...
These roads are scheduled to be done and re-opened sometime in April if they stay on their schedule.. :rolleyes:

boe4fun - 1-11-2012 at 12:35 PM

Hey Woody, The rocks that were used to build the marina in Ensenada were blasted from the mountain side owned by Nachita Alvarado. She owned "Nachitas Place" and you can still see the remains of the hotel on the left side before you get to the signal at the port entrance driving south off of the toll road. It looks kind of like an old castle or fort, covered in grafitti now. She also owned the entire mountain which is both above and to the west of the hotel. That's where the govt. blasted off the rock to build the breakwater, cruise ship harbor, etc. She told me when I was a kid that the govt. just came in and took it, she never received a peso.

woody with a view - 1-11-2012 at 12:51 PM

same old story here....

Wow....!

djh - 1-11-2012 at 07:56 PM

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Originally posted by LaTijereta
The powers that be here in Loreto have put up some new challenges in getting to the ramp....

These roads are scheduled to be done and re-opened sometime in April if they stay on their schedule.

The malecon looks to be a bit of a (temporary) mess.... Sorry for my Loreto amigos.... I hope it will all be worth the time, energy, money, and inconvenience and that the end product will be a nice improvement.

I'll be in Korea playing my cello in March / April, & I hope to be down late spring and see it all done. I really love to get up early and walk the malecon and watch the sunrise!

P, L, & FT

djh

alan

captkw - 1-12-2012 at 07:32 AM

hola,power lines into BOLA,,from where??? new marina in cabo ???? HUHH !! :cool:

K&T

David K - 1-12-2012 at 12:05 PM

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Originally posted by captkw
hola,power lines into BOLA,,from where??? new marina in cabo ???? HUHH !! :cool:

K&T

Yes, Bahia de los Angeles has 24/7 power now... comes from Guerrero Negro and the power lines run along side Hwy. 1 and the L.A. Bay highway.

Santa Rosalillita Harbor 7-2007

David K - 1-12-2012 at 12:23 PM

Hook - 1-12-2012 at 01:20 PM

Pretty sure the new malecon and the new slips in Guaymas were funded by the EN project.

It's pretty nice, really, especially if you remember what that section of waterfront looked like five years ago.

The new Santa Rosalia slips have made life nicer for those of us in San Carlos Sonora who use it as a stepping stone for cruises south. Fueling there is MUCH easier. It's also great being able to do an overnighter or so with restaurants and such. For newbies who come to SC, SR is an interesting town. For Baja regulars, it's just SR. But that's fine. Real, working Mexican towns like SR and Guaymas are nice to have around.

[Edited on 1-12-2012 by Hook]

DAVID

captkw - 1-12-2012 at 08:50 PM

HOLA<thank's for enlightening me,,,now, they need to get that old pemix at theBOLA turnoff working again,,I guess most nomads know to fill up at SR or what I refer to as the CURVE in the road....K&T :cool:

Ateo - 1-12-2012 at 09:20 PM

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Originally posted by captkw
HOLA<thank's for enlightening me,,,now, they need to get that old pemix at theBOLA turnoff working again,,I guess most nomads know to fill up at SR or what I refer to as the CURVE in the road....K&T :cool:

I'm at the curve right now. Fueling up at Baja cactus mañana and heading south!

the curve

captkw - 1-12-2012 at 09:25 PM

HOW,did,you get internet service ?????

Alan - 1-13-2012 at 09:27 AM

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The biggest benefit for boaters in BoLA is the powerlines enabled them to have fuel now. Actually 2 stations last time I was there.

bola pwr

captkw - 1-13-2012 at 09:41 AM

wow ,the times,there are a changing,,is there feul at the turn off now??? K&T

woody with a view - 1-13-2012 at 11:28 AM

from barrels only.

seems like it's ALIVE!

woody with a view - 2-1-2012 at 05:03 PM

on a trip to the wall on sunday after the swell had dropped there were 11 (i ran out of appendages) concrete trucks that had driven, convoy style, from ensenada. they were loaded dry and were filling from the towns supply of water that is trucked in.

they were pouring the dirt road that comes down the hill on the south side of the town. no blade had scrapped it, very little prep work from the looks of it.

who has this kind of $??? on a sunday? what's wrong with the perfectly good road that is paved right to the marina?

rsz_1100_8956.jpg - 34kB

Islandbuilder - 2-1-2012 at 05:08 PM

Hmmm, using redi-mix as a base seems like the expensive do it twice sort of approach?!

woody with a view - 2-2-2012 at 08:51 AM

it does seem like there is never enough time to do it right, but always enough time to do it over. :?:

elgatoloco - 2-2-2012 at 10:06 AM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
it does seem like there is never enough time to do it right, but always enough time to do it over. :?:

Ha ha! Viva Mexico! :yes:

Escalera Nautica...final results.

Skipjack Joe - 2-2-2012 at 06:11 PM

Nothing is ever final in baja. The tumor grows silently now.

BajaNomad - 4-22-2013 at 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Nothing is ever final in baja. The tumor grows silently now.

Mexico divested of this project as much as possible in 2009/2010. Looks like they felt it was a Fox administration boo-boo.

I'm not aware of the final details.

http://www.escaleranautica.com

http://rptides.blogspot.com/2009/07/nautical-ladder-dead-in-...

http://eleconomista.com.mx/notas-impreso/columnas/columna-es...

http://www.elvigia.net/noticia/remata-fonatur-escalera-n-uti...

DavidE - 4-22-2013 at 03:55 PM

I liked the slick full color brochures twisting arms about the "Mega Retirement Resort" in Loreto better. Escaloco Nausea was not even worth a blink. The Loreto project was more fun to deal with.

Email went back and forth. They argued and I smirked.

Finally tiring of the game I emailed...

"Where is all the water going to come from? You know, lawns, golf courses, swimming pools?"

Silence. Then oblivion...

willardguy - 4-22-2013 at 04:07 PM

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Originally posted by DavidE
I liked the slick full color brochures twisting arms about the "Mega Retirement Resort" in Loreto better. Escaloco Nausea was not even worth a blink. The Loreto project was more fun to deal with.

Email went back and forth. They argued and I smirked.

Finally tiring of the game I emailed...

"Where is all the water going to come from? You know, lawns, golf courses, swimming pools?"

Silence. Then oblivion...

do tell Eidell, what exactly did you win in this high stakes game of bullchit? :?:

DENNIS - 4-22-2013 at 04:22 PM

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Originally posted by DavidE
I liked the slick full color brochures twisting arms about the "Mega Retirement Resort" in Loreto better.

Do you think John McEnroe ever set foot in the town? Ever?

chuckie - 4-22-2013 at 05:14 PM

Yes

rts551 - 4-22-2013 at 05:33 PM

and if they never tried anything Nomads would say they were lazy and wanted to stay in the dark ages....on the other hand, some would like them to stay in the dark ages.