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Bourbon whiskey drinkers in Baja?

Cardon Man - 1-28-2012 at 05:55 PM

I predict there has to be at least one Bourbon whiskey drinker amongst the Nomad crowd. Perhaps there's scores of you. Perhaps some of you are drunk as you read this post. ( Not that there's anything wrong with that, per se. )
So, the question I have for Baja based whiskey fans is... What bourbon do you drink in Baja? More specifically, which do you purchase and consume here in Baja? From top shelf to low price. I'm curious what's available and what people recommend.
On the higher end I enjoy Woodford Reserve. And Bulleit Bourbon is pretty damn good as well and reasonably priced. On the low end price-wise I have had "Kentucky Supreme". At $112 pesos in Los Cabos, I'm hard pressed to say it's "bad".

capitolkat - 1-28-2012 at 07:40 PM

As an ole Kentucky boy- I grew up on Bourbon-- Woodfords is fine stuff and if I have a slow drink with branch water it's Maker's, and just straight Knob's Creek is one to hoard as most drinker's won't appreciate the fine smoothness of individual cask aged Bourbon. When I was in college it was Rebel Yell, or Old Fitzgerald, and Wild Turkey will fill most bills for a mixing or straight Bourbon. a kid named Jim Beam III was one of my college dormmates and his family had a tradition of making a popular drink.

It's blasphemy to call Jack Daniels a Bourbon as even they know to call it Tennesse whiskey not Bourbon. A little know fact is that KY has more counties than almost any other state due to the philosphy that the county seat had to be less than a day horseback ride and back from home. That led to a wealth of different rules about alcohol and dry and wet counties. Oddly Bourbon county is dry and Christian county is wet. Likewise the TN county where Jack DAniels is made is dry but hosts the largest collection of whiskey stored in the state.

I've visited most places on the Bourbon trail and my favorite is Buffalo Trace and they annually sponsor a day at the races at the Keeneland horsetrack in Lexington, KY. Many distilleries kept in business during prohibition by making "medicial spirits" which you could get by physician prescription. Warren Harding - the President during prohibition hosted a weekly card game at the White House where medicinal spirits were liberally dispensed. Harding is widely considered the worst American President. Lot's of history in Bourbon..Norm

bajaguy - 1-28-2012 at 08:34 PM

Jack Single Barrel on the rocks

When I am lucky, and a Canadian friend visits, Alberta Springs 10 year old Rye Whiskey

Picked up some Bulleit Bourbon last week...

Mexray - 1-28-2012 at 09:07 PM

...at Trader Joes - liked the old style bottle with a cork stopper!:P

for those that haven't tried it, it's one FINE, SMOOTH Kentucky Whisky!

Had some friends stop by last night, broke out the Bulleit, and as a result I'm in for another TJs trip soon!

I'd say the Bulleit Bourbon Frontier Whiskey is every bit as smooth as Jack's Single Barrel elixir - and less expensive as well!

It's great to enjoy a product that's doesn't need to be updated and won't go out of style!;D

[Edited on 1-29-2012 by Mexray]

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Cardon Man - 1-29-2012 at 07:20 AM

Great input by all. And a particularly fine post by capitolkat! I had a feeling there had to be some bourbon drinkers here in the land of tequila.
I almost always enjoy bourbon neat. Or maybe on the rocks. But I learned a new term in this thread..."Branch water". Hey Capitolkat...when you say branch do you literally mean water from a stream or simply indicating straight water?
Great to hear there's another Bulleit Bourbon aficionado out there! It only recently appeared on the shelves of La Europea in Los Cabos. Gotta love that old fashioned bottle and the spirit itself is outstanding and well priced.
Have any of you noticed that Mexicans seem to favor scotch?

DENNIS - 1-29-2012 at 09:03 AM

Years....and years ago, Mexico had a domestic Bourbon that would clean the calcium scale off toilet bowls. Gawwwdammmm...it was terrible stuff. It must have been a product that was made for the Prohibition era. I think they quit trying.
The Mexican drinker "of means" seems to have settled in with the various Canadian blends.....specifically, V.O..

capitolkat - 1-29-2012 at 09:16 AM

Just for those drinking Jack single barrel-- I grew up in TN and spent many years in school at U of Ky and in the army at FT. Knox and Ft. Campbell in kY. Jack Daniels is not Bourbon-- it's Tennesse Whiskey. I have some and do enjoy it-- but it's not Bourbon-- even the bottle says- TN Whiskey.

Just to clarify-great tours at Jack Daniels in Lynchburg, TN and you walk out of the tour smelling like a good whiskey.

Branch water is hard to come by here so I use my osmosis filtered water as it's the closest I can get to pure, sparkiling spring water.

Norm

Bob H - 1-29-2012 at 09:36 AM

Wathen's Kentucky Bourbon Single Barrel 94 proof! Slowly poured over two large ice cubes and sipped. And, one can enjoy a fine cigar along with that!

Ken Bondy - 1-29-2012 at 09:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bob H
Wathen's Kentucky Bourbon Single Barrel 94 proof! Slowly poured over two large ice cubes and sipped. And, one can enjoy a fine cigar along with that!


Bob, you know how to live :) But I'm still goin' with Johnny Walker Red, Black, or Blue :)

Bob H - 1-29-2012 at 09:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Mexray
...at Trader Joes - liked the old style bottle with a cork stopper!:P

for those that haven't tried it, it's one FINE, SMOOTH Kentucky Whisky!

Had some friends stop by last night, broke out the Bulleit, and as a result I'm in for another TJs trip soon!

I'd say the Bulleit Bourbon Frontier Whiskey is every bit as smooth as Jack's Single Barrel elixir - and less expensive as well!

It's great to enjoy a product that's doesn't need to be updated and won't go out of style!;D

[Edited on 1-29-2012 by Mexray]


More info on Bulleit bourbon here..... I'll have to try it out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulleit_Bourbon

Cardon Man - 1-29-2012 at 09:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bob H
Wathen's Kentucky Bourbon Single Barrel 94 proof! Slowly poured over two large ice cubes and sipped. And, one can enjoy a fine cigar along with that!


Is Wathen's available in Mexico?

Bob H - 1-29-2012 at 09:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cardon Man
Quote:
Originally posted by Bob H
Wathen's Kentucky Bourbon Single Barrel 94 proof! Slowly poured over two large ice cubes and sipped. And, one can enjoy a fine cigar along with that!


Is Wathen's available in Mexico?


I really don't know. I buy mine from BevMo and bring it down with me.

Cardon Man - 1-29-2012 at 09:47 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS

The Mexican drinker "of means" seems to have settled in with the various Canadian blends.....specifically, V.O..


Well observed. It's true Mexicanos do like the Canadian...and scotch. Seems like my Mexican friends don't ever buy bourbon, always Johnnie Walker or Buchanan's etc.

wessongroup - 1-29-2012 at 10:04 AM

Old Crow was what my old man drank.. .he bought it by the cases... said it was cheaper...

First time drunk.. 15.. couple of friends and I broke into his stash .. and took a couple of bottle ... and started drinking like cowboys..

Sick... couldn't even stand the smell of Bourbon until around 30 ... than started to appreciate the "beverage" .... along with a few others... kinda settled in on Wild Turkey ... in my 30's ... with beer just to take the heat of the day away .. when first getting back to the homestead from working .... for those who live where it get's about 110 for more than 30-40 days think ya might relate...

Really like your tee shirt Mexray .. I got to get one... and a nice shot .. always like to see the faces every once in a while...

It sounds good to me... haven't had a drink in quite a while... all med's say don't ... had a few tequila's when down ... and forget got there were two steps coming out of my bedroom ... head first into the tile floor.. Fractured knee cap..

Figured maybe the warnings might apply to ME ... :lol::lol:

Can say I do miss one of those as described by those hear ... I'm a weak person ... still like a good drink..

Thanks for the memories... have one for me... bottoms up ... with moderation of course ...

Great thread for those who do ... no judgement involved ... :biggrin::biggrin:

[Edited on 1-29-2012 by wessongroup]

capt. mike - 1-29-2012 at 12:23 PM

and.....what makes a whisky a "bourbon"? i don't think i have been schooled on that fact.
i think i like the Irish whiskies best, Tullamer Dew for one, and also another one who's name escapes me - not bushmills which is everyday stuff but another large vol seller. - Jameson, that's it.

Cypress - 1-29-2012 at 12:36 PM

Bourbon is made from corn, as is "moonshine" AKA "White Lightening". It's just aged a tad and given a darker color with various staining procedures. One of my favorites is "10-High", cheap and mixes with egg nog to make a killer brew.:yes:

Outstanding

bajaguy - 1-29-2012 at 01:05 PM

But only available in Canada.................

If you have a friend, have them bring you a bottle, it's worth it!!!!!

http://www.canadianwhisky.org/reviews/alberta-springs-aged-1...

vandenberg - 1-29-2012 at 01:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cypress
Bourbon is made from corn, as is "moonshine" AKA "White Lightening". It's just aged a tad and given a darker color with various staining procedures. One of my favorites is "10-High", cheap and mixes with egg nog to make a killer brew.:yes:


10 High ?? That doesn't even pass muster in a bar as well booze. Like Four Roses. I only drink Bourbon if there's nothing else.:biggrin: Love single malt Scotch above all.
Gets expensive if you're a quart a day man.:lol::lol:

Whisky? Only Scotch counts!

cessna821 - 1-29-2012 at 01:16 PM

Now look guys, I know the whisky you buy is drinkable, but if you like an enjoyable tipple rather than just getting pie eyed, Scotch is the only stuff, and only the pure malt, not the blended variety which is contaminated with grain alcohol.

For them that ain't tried them, the following brands are the greatest and once sampled you will only drink the others when you are desperate! Drink them neat alongside a cup of coffee for the full flavour.

Bunnhabhainn - pronounced boonaharven
Glenmorangie
Glenfiddich
The Macallan
and for the smoothest of them all, when and if you can find it, nothing anywhere comes close to the fabled Tullibardine.

Yes, I know, you can only get these in Mexico if you ask Saul at Saul's Tienda in Mulege to get it for you, and, of course, it costs!!

It's worth it though.

wessongroup - 1-29-2012 at 01:28 PM

Went through the Jack Daniel's plant once... they said it was the water... never seen so much "stuff" put up in barrels ... all over the place..

Cardon Man - 1-29-2012 at 02:21 PM

Ahh...the scotch drinkers have arrived! Talk of whiskey usually brings them out.

You know...I probably need to give scotch a chance. It's not that I don't enjoy it when I have it. But the flavor of Bourbon always calls my attention. In fact...I think I hear it calling right now. Is it 5 yet? 3 o'clock in Baja is green light for a drink, no?

Cypress - 1-29-2012 at 02:35 PM

:biggrin:Remove the label and all you taste experts wouldn't be able to tell ditch water from spring water.:biggrin:

Cardon Man - 1-29-2012 at 03:00 PM

Actually Cypress...there's some truth to that in my case. I recently failed miserably in a blind taste test. However, I don't think the experiment was conducted properly.

Scotch

cessna821 - 1-29-2012 at 03:34 PM

Yes, we are around, just not many Scotch drinkers in Mexico.

Replying to Cypress, you can tell one scotch from another, it's just that distilleries close to each other do taste somewhat similar, although the climate of the year that the barley was grown and malted plays a significant part in it.

I've been drinking the good stuff for over 50 years now and I've won money on tastings, so it's an age thing, you just have to keep drinking it!

Tough life, but somebody has to do it.

Barry A. - 1-29-2012 at 03:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cypress
:biggrin:Remove the label and all you taste experts wouldn't be able to tell ditch water from spring water.:biggrin:


I mostly agree------------but I sure can tell "non-Canadian as opposed to Canadian"!!! It's always been Canadian for me for the last 50 years, or so, as no headaches, and it tastes so good. :o

-------and Black Velvet is just fine. :yes: so why waste the moola on VO or CC.

Barry

wessongroup - 1-29-2012 at 05:20 PM

"so it's an age thing, you just have to keep drinking it!"

Good one .... :biggrin::biggrin:

Mexitron - 1-29-2012 at 06:44 PM

Didn't drink Bourbon til I moved to Texas---something about the south made me understand the flavor better...still drinking it after I moved back to CA---love it! Knob Creek, Maker's Mark when I have the dough---HH Weller, Ancient Age, or Walker will do otherwise.....good mixers anyway. :lol:

Roberto - 1-29-2012 at 07:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by capt. mike
and.....what makes a whisky a "bourbon"? i don't think i have been schooled on that fact.
i think i like the Irish whiskies best, Tullamer Dew for one, and also another one who's name escapes me - not bushmills which is everyday stuff but another large vol seller. - Jameson, that's it.


http://www.whiskychat.com/2009/09/whats-the-difference-betwe...

wessongroup - 1-29-2012 at 07:44 PM

Cool link .... Yep .. Those old boys take drinking seriously ..... :biggrin::biggrin:

Ateo - 1-29-2012 at 07:59 PM

I'll drink whatever is in front of me......right now that happens to be a vodka martini.

Cardon Man - 1-30-2012 at 07:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Mexitron
Didn't drink Bourbon til I moved to Texas---something about the south made me understand the flavor better...still drinking it after I moved back to CA---love it! Knob Creek, Maker's Mark when I have the dough---HH Weller, Ancient Age, or Walker will do otherwise.....good mixers anyway. :lol:


I hear that...when I'm feeling "rich" I buy Woodford Reserve or Maker's. But now that we have Bulleit in Mexico and at under 300 pesos...it's my #1 spirit.

I used to buy Evan Williams in Los Cabos...but they don't carry it anymore at La Eurpea. Tragedy. That was my "affordable" bottle.
Now there's this "Kentucky Supreme" stuff and I haven't found much info about it on line. $112 pesos? I thought it would be terrible. But it's pretty much ok. Better than a stick in the eye.

AmoPescar - 1-30-2012 at 07:36 PM

Ahhhh Bourbon Whiskey......

I have tried and enjoyed most of the fine elixirs mentioned here. Very few of them that I have sipped and didn't enjoy!

When price was an issue, I always thought 'Rebel Yell' wasn't too bad for the money. I've seen it on the 'TOP' shelf of several fine establisments that specialize in serving fine bourbons.

When you are crossing into Baja, be sure to check out the 'Duty Free' stores. They all carry a good selection of the better products and the prices are excellent! I've always taken several bottles with me when I crossed and have never had any problems doing it. Always just had it sitting on the back seat or floor in plain view.



Miguelamo :yes: :biggrin: :yes: :D :yes:

MitchMan - 2-21-2012 at 02:09 PM

In my youth when I used to manage c-cktail lounges and restaurants, all us coctail lounge managers were alcoholics or near alcoholics. What I found interesting was the common evolution from non-drinkers or casual drinkers to becoming "experienced" frequent drinkers.

Everyone started out drinking mixed drinks, usually weak rum based tropical dinks. After drinking alot of that stuff, everyone graduated to asking for and wanting more rum in the drink. The next level was when you got tired of the sweetness in the drinks, then you graduated to bourbon and 7-Up or rum and coke and an occasional boiler maker when the evening got going. Next was gin or vodka and tonic. Finally, the sweetness of even those drinks was too much, that's when everbody went to bourbon or scotch and soda water. Now the drinker had arrived. But, when you start drinking alot, which everybody eventually did, everyone inevitably graduated to the occasional bourbon or scotch rocks with a water or soda back (plain small glass of soda water or plain water with some ice in it). You had completely arrived if you abandoned the bourbon or scotch and soda mixed drink altogether. By that time, all of us managers were functioning alcoholics in fact or nearly so.

Finally, I noticed that virtually all of us were exclusively scotch drinkers and only a few remained bourbon drinkers, very few. And, all were into the heavy smokey scotches like Pinch and Johnny Walker Black. You never drank beer, too weak. You only drank wine if there was no scotch around. Several tell tale signs of alcoholism was that bill boards with those beautiful pictures of the crystal clear icy moist glasses of booze were all looked at while driving and that they were sooo beautiful, in movies everytime you would hear the "chunky" of ice in a glass my interest would perk up, and finally, straight scotch had a "sweet" sugar water taste to it and no "burn" going down. Man, that was trouble.

Those days are past, mostly because the body can't take that kind of abuse any more. Now, my wife and I have a full bar at home and have a glass of cream sherry before dinner occasionally, and from time to time we'll enjoy a Manhattan up with good bourbon and a good sweet vermouth.

It is only lately that I have been turned on to beer. I keep stocked on Negra Modelo in Baja and Miller Genuine Draft in bottles in USA. Dos Equis is not bad at all, and kinda like Pacifico Clara. Keep a couple of 6 oz empties of Pacifico clara in the truck box in Baja, turn it in at a Mexican liquor store and pay only $6 pesos for quick shot to head behind the corner in my truck on those hot La Paz summer days in town. Once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic, just drink less so that I don't die.

[Edited on 2-21-2012 by MitchMan]

DavidE - 2-21-2012 at 02:18 PM

"Heem Beem!"

DENNIS - 2-21-2012 at 02:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AmoPescar
I've always taken several bottles with me when I crossed and have never had any problems doing it. Always just had it sitting on the back seat or floor in plain view.





Surprised they didn't make you "Pay the Piper," Mike. Rules going in are about the same as going out and I think it's one liter allowed.
You must have been wearing your Santa Claus ensemble.

bigzaggin - 2-21-2012 at 02:54 PM

Just got a bottle of Black Maple Hill from a friend for a gift. Even as a sworn Irish Whiskey guy (Bushmills 10yr, Tyrconnell and - if $$$ allows - Midleton) I was blown away by how good this stuff is.

http://www.thebeerandbourbonreview.com/wp-content/uploads/ca...

Mexitron - 2-21-2012 at 05:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MitchMan
In my youth when I used to manage c-cktail lounges and restaurants, all us coctail lounge managers were alcoholics or near alcoholics. What I found interesting was the common evolution from non-drinkers or casual drinkers to becoming "experienced" frequent drinkers.

Everyone started out drinking mixed drinks, usually weak rum based tropical dinks. After drinking alot of that stuff, everyone graduated to asking for and wanting more rum in the drink. The next level was when you got tired of the sweetness in the drinks, then you graduated to bourbon and 7-Up or rum and coke and an occasional boiler maker when the evening got going. Next was gin or vodka and tonic. Finally, the sweetness of even those drinks was too much, that's when everbody went to bourbon or scotch and soda water. Now the drinker had arrived. But, when you start drinking alot, which everybody eventually did, everyone inevitably graduated to the occasional bourbon or scotch rocks with a water or soda back (plain small glass of soda water or plain water with some ice in it). You had completely arrived if you abandoned the bourbon or scotch and soda mixed drink altogether. By that time, all of us managers were functioning alcoholics in fact or nearly so.

Finally, I noticed that virtually all of us were exclusively scotch drinkers and only a few remained bourbon drinkers, very few. And, all were into the heavy smokey scotches like Pinch and Johnny Walker Black. You never drank beer, too weak. You only drank wine if there was no scotch around. Several tell tale signs of alcoholism was that bill boards with those beautiful pictures of the crystal clear icy moist glasses of booze were all looked at while driving and that they were sooo beautiful, in movies everytime you would hear the "chunky" of ice in a glass my interest would perk up, and finally, straight scotch had a "sweet" sugar water taste to it and no "burn" going down. Man, that was trouble.

Those days are past, mostly because the body can't take that kind of abuse any more. Now, my wife and I have a full bar at home and have a glass of cream sherry before dinner occasionally, and from time to time we'll enjoy a Manhattan up with good bourbon and a good sweet vermouth.

It is only lately that I have been turned on to beer. I keep stocked on Negra Modelo in Baja and Miller Genuine Draft in bottles in USA. Dos Equis is not bad at all, and kinda like Pacifico Clara. Keep a couple of 6 oz empties of Pacifico clara in the truck box in Baja, turn it in at a Mexican liquor store and pay only $6 pesos for quick shot to head behind the corner in my truck on those hot La Paz summer days in town. Once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic, just drink less so that I don't die.

[Edited on 2-21-2012 by MitchMan]


To quote an old friend of mine "I don't drink nearly as much as I'd like to". ;D But yeah, that Bourbon goes down nice. :smug:

MitchMan - 2-22-2012 at 10:46 AM

How about, "when I'm by myself, I drink alone".

J.P. - 2-22-2012 at 11:17 AM

When I drank Black Jack was the drink of choice,
Since I stopped drinking I can relate to the saying, It's Hell to wake up in the morning knowing thats the best you are going to feel all day.:lol::lol::lol::lol:

DavidE - 2-22-2012 at 12:14 PM

The best drink in all Mexico. 22-year old tequila out of my 20 liter wine cask monkey that I hauled down to the mainland and filled in 1989. Arrandera tequila from Jalisco. A tiny producer who uses oak to fire his 2 stills. The cask came from Heitz Cellers and was used to age cabernet sauvignon.

The liquid is beyond smooth. Rich mahogany tint. The flavor starts out soft ("what's this?") and slowly grows in the mouth. The closest thing to compare to would be five star Remey Martin reserve.

I have slightly less than half a cask left. I give half-liter gifts of it for birthday gifts to old mexican friends. The cask is in michoacan.

capt. mike - 2-22-2012 at 12:19 PM

DavidE - man that sounds yummy!!

J.P. - 2-22-2012 at 12:43 PM

Before I retired for good I used to deliver wooden whisky barrels From Lebanon Missouri to Jim Beem while in the distellery I was in awe of the warehouses on the side of the hill as far as you could see. I asked the guy how much they shipped out on a given day his answer was for ever barrel they filled they shiped one out that was 5years old. It boggel my mind to imagine how much whiskey they had in those warehouses. I was a bonded transporter of alcohol beverages. I didnt mind hauling Whiskey and beer but hauling Wine was a pain in the Burro.

chuckie - 2-22-2012 at 02:45 PM

George Dickel

Normally Early Times

BajaRob - 2-22-2012 at 03:38 PM

but a friend just delivered a bottle of Wiser's Oldest Canadian Whiskey. It was bottled in 1954 when it was 18 years old. I have never tasted anything like this. Hope to make it last a year or two.

BajaErin - 2-25-2012 at 08:43 PM

Thanks for this thread. Was reading it the first time while drinking Woodford Reserve, now reading it while drinking Bulliet I bought at TJs. : )

Ateo - 2-25-2012 at 09:13 PM

Drinking gin and lemon juice right now. Wife made dinner. Good combo.

Cardon Man - 2-26-2012 at 07:32 AM

Man...this thread has legs. Cheers to all the great comments, anecdotes, and recommendations!

Bob H - 2-26-2012 at 08:25 AM

Bourbon: "I'd rather have a botte infrontofme than a frontal lobotomy!" Say that line the next time you are hammered, it comes out very comical.
:lol:

I like a martini now and then \%/