BajaNomad

Cochimí white sage

BajaNomad - 2-6-2012 at 03:40 PM

Any recommendations on where/how to find sellers of white sage smudge sticks? It's my understanding that there are local Cochimí that produce these somewhere in BC. I know of one location that sometimes has these for sale in Ensenada on Lopez Mateos... but does anyone know of any other sources?

Looks like those in the attached pic.

smudgestick-whitesage-cochimi.jpg - 35kB

sanquintinsince73 - 2-6-2012 at 03:42 PM

What is that stuff called in Spanish. A neighbor claims to have chased some spirits from her home with sage smoke.

vgabndo - 2-6-2012 at 04:11 PM

It obviously isn't Baja sage, but the same stuff is often sold from here in Mt. Shasta on e-bay. It is a very fragrant white broad leaf sage, and burns well in an open Abalone shell.

Purification with sage, SanQuentin I'm sure you know, has looooong traditional history. While I reject the super natural, I do belong to a men's group whose secular creation of a "sacred" space for men to work on their chiiit, involves using sage to remind me (since I can't speak for them) of the times when sage was used in transformational personal work that has changed my life. The smoke has no special quality, but the aroma is a shortcut to my connection and recollection of wisdom I've been offered.

Jean Claude Killy used to teach skiing, by having the student fix on a brilliant color of blue. The color, then, not smell, was used to prompt the student to a previously imprinted physical move.

Doug I'm sorry I don't have a stash of Mexican sage for you, but thanks for reminding me to ask myself why smudging doesn't offend the pragmatic side of me.:lol::lol::lol:


The plant in Spanish is Salvia.

It isn't just Mt. Shasta... http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_k...

[Edited on 2-6-2012 by vgabndo]


[Edited on 2-6-2012 by BajaNomad]

BajaNomad - 2-6-2012 at 04:20 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia_apiana

goldhuntress - 2-6-2012 at 06:37 PM

I've bought sage sticks at Dona Lupe's winery in Guadalupe Valley. She is the local naturopath and has all kinds of herbs she grows and drys. This is one I still have that I bought there. This one is both sage and rosemary.
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wilderone - 2-7-2012 at 09:03 AM

eBay

BajaNomad - 2-7-2012 at 09:05 AM

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Originally posted by wilderone
eBay


Have seen it there and elsewhere online... much of it referring to being sourced in Baja...

But where??? :?:

:biggrin:

tripledigitken - 2-7-2012 at 09:05 AM

Can be found all over the Navajo res. if you get up that way.

BajaNomad - 2-7-2012 at 09:08 AM

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Originally posted by BajaNomad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia_apiana


Distribution and habitat

White sage is a common plant that requires well-drained dry soil, full sun, and little water. The plant occurs on dry slopes in coastal sage scrub, chaparral, and yellow-pine forests of Southern California to Baja California...

tripledigitken - 2-7-2012 at 09:50 AM

The bundles are available for sale in AZ. Not saying they are grown there. Popular stuff used by many in AZ.

People are growing them there from seed though.

wilderone - 2-7-2012 at 09:56 AM

I find it in Baja all the time - can't say exactly where - always out in the boonies on a hike. I especially remember it around El Volcan toward Olvidado (sp?) mine. And remember, it goes dormant and the plant looks like it's dead, can hardly identify it - only to burst into fresh branches seasonally. And - this is a secret - it's at Mission Trails Regional Park and Penasquitos Canyon. Found it at Tecolote Nature Center too.

White Sage

KaceyJ - 2-7-2012 at 10:06 AM

While not as plentiful as before San Diego County became over developed , you can still find many stands of salvia all over. Blossom Valley, for example, was literally covered with it at one time , but as white sage seems to prefer flatter areas in which to grow , so do builders and thus a loss of much of its habitat.

Here are a couple of pics I took this AM on our ranch. Right now the plants are somewhat dormant and their growth is a good indicator of the amount of rain an area has - or has not- which it has been dry.

In a month or two they will start throwing shoots. By June they will be up to 5 or 6 feet long and in full bloom. That's when you would want to pick some. You can't mistake the plant as it has a strong ,pleasant pungent odeur.


We wad up bunches of it and rub it on our clothing and dogs when hunting. It also adds a nice compliment when thrown on the bbq while roasting quail.;D

You can see the dried stalks of last year in the first photo.









BajaRat - 2-7-2012 at 11:04 AM

Doug, not all salvia is created equal. This aromatic family is quite large. We have varieties for cooking, smudging, essential oils and ceremonial purposes. You can burn the N. Baja coastal mountain varieties for incense but if your after the white sage smudge sticks that have been prayed over or blessed go to a Botanica their sure to have them. Very strong medicine.

any custom blends

mcfez - 2-7-2012 at 11:13 AM

http://nativesage.org/


"Email me if you want any custom blends or if you have any other questions : info@nativesage.org"



This Sage is most likely from the lower valleys of the San Gabriel Mountains of the Angeles National Forest in Los Angeles . I would call this guy......


Hope this helps..........might be a great guy to ask questions about sage that has full knowledge.


[Edited on 2-7-2012 by mcfez]

BajaRat - 2-7-2012 at 11:43 AM

Ah the power of suggestion. Just went out to the garden, picked, prayed and burned some in the house. Very calming and good for keeping things in balance.:cool:

tripledigitken - 2-7-2012 at 12:34 PM

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Originally posted by BajaRat
Ah the power of suggestion. Just went out to the garden, picked, prayed and burned some in the house. Very calming and good for keeping things in balance.:cool:


Lucky you. Where are you growing it?

motoged - 2-7-2012 at 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by vgabndo
.....While I reject the super natural, ..... The smoke has no special quality, but the aroma is a shortcut to my connection and recollection of wisdom I've been offered. ....


V,

I appreciate your openness...

The "special quality" is the effect it has on you. The "associative process" you refer to here is the "magic" of such rituals: they ground us and give us a frame of reference. Rituals have their place in our conscious and unconscious processes ....they might appear to be mumbo-jumbo at first, but can develop their place and function in our journey.

I sense that you are a man who respects the "natural" and don't have so much use for some formalized mechanisms (ie. "religion"). I am OK with that and get it.

You speak of your connections with yourself and other men through the sage ritual...

Some years ago, a man de-mystified the term "spirituality" for me when he defined it as "Our sense of connectedness with other."....and I think that is of what you speak....as you and I and many others "work out their sh#t".


"Good medicine" is to be treasured....we just need to recognize it ....

Sage and other plants used in smudging have both metaphorical as well as chemical qualities/benefits.

vgabndo - 2-7-2012 at 01:54 PM

Thanks Ged, the striving to be in congruence with one's values includes clear, concise, direct, and AUTHENTIC communication. I equate authenticity with the willingness to offer some transparency. I've come to respect my "averageness", and once in a while I can afford to celebrate a stroke of brilliance!

With that I can say that my disrespect for pernicious delusion goes FAR beyond anything I've ever expressed here!:fire:

A brother recently shared this:

Since it seems to apply to almost everything, it must apply to this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/15/brene-brown-vulnera...

KASHEYDOG - 2-7-2012 at 02:28 PM

Hey, Doug... You can find that stuff at the Ocean Beach Farmers Market tomorrow afternoon (Wednesday) from 3 PM to 7 pm.

Udo - 2-7-2012 at 04:48 PM

The only place I have ever seen them, Dough, (no, they don't have them at the Santa Monica Farmer's Market) is at the Mercado Hidalgo, in TJ.
The ones that I bought one time are extremely fragrant, and deep fried in butter, make a savory addition to ANY potato dish.

motoged - 2-7-2012 at 06:14 PM

There are many types of sage. Some folks here refer to their application to food preparation, while others go beyond the kitchen in their thinking and application.

In BC, the wild sage is less likely to be used for cooking than medicinal and spiritual application. And the sage up here that grows wild is a lot different than the broadleaf sage such as the white sage mentioned initially in this thread.

BC wild sage: http://www.jaiya.ca/firedance/creatingrituals/smudging.htm







Wild Sagebrush: (Artemisia tridentata)





[Edited on 2-8-2012 by motoged]

BajaBlanca - 2-7-2012 at 09:32 PM

let me ask around and see what I can find out about where to find SALVIA in Baja

bajaguy - 6-29-2012 at 06:31 AM

If you don't mind a short hike, you can pick it where it grows wild in Punta Banda.

BajaNomad - 11-19-2012 at 11:46 PM

While there are many recommendations here on where to find the sage in the USA (and I do have a USA source for it), or via a Canadian vendor...

I'm STILL seeking help/info in finding out where this is being sourced from specifically in BAJA! I know of a retail vendor in Ensenada, but am interested in knowing who/what is the source for all of them in Baja California.

;D

Thx.

bajaguy - 11-20-2012 at 09:32 AM

Doug

I believe I have seen it growing wild up in a canyon in Cantu (LaBufadora area). Let me know if you are interested.

shari - 11-20-2012 at 10:48 AM

another little sage tidbit is that drinking sage tea helps withstand hot temperatures...we used to drink it before entering a sweat lodge...would be a good idea to drink it in baja in September I bet.

Mulegena - 2-15-2013 at 10:49 AM

I've seen white sage bundles that were hand-picked in the Catavina area for personal use.
Very good quality.

A commercial source for Baja sage, don't know. I'll ask in town.

Doug, If You Still Need Sources for White Sage

Gypsy Jan - 2-15-2013 at 02:48 PM

I found some links today:

http://www.matoska.com/cgibin/gencat.cgi?AC=gencat&PC=6&...

http://www.matoska.com/cgibin/gencat.cgi?AC=gencat&PC=6&...

http://www.dragons-apothecary-shop.com/?cct_info=1|28980|963...

Cypress - 2-15-2013 at 05:24 PM

Sage is good in sausage and dressing/stuffing.

BajaNomad - 2-15-2013 at 10:13 PM

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Originally posted by Gypsy Jan
I found some links today:

http://www.matoska.com/cgibin/gencat.cgi?AC=gencat&PC=6&...

http://www.matoska.com/cgibin/gencat.cgi?AC=gencat&PC=6&...

http://www.dragons-apothecary-shop.com/?cct_info=1|28980|963...


http://www.anenchantedapothecary.com/i1whitesagesmudgestk.ht...

bacquito - 2-16-2013 at 03:32 PM

I have seen white sage sold at San Antonio Necua which is near L.A. Cetto. This is an interesting place to visit and is an Indian reservation.