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greengoes - 2-8-2012 at 02:52 PM

A random thought from a gringo about Segura Popular.

In case you are involved in a serious accident, belong to above mentioned Mexican service, and no one is around to let them know this gringo should be treated.......sew this on your underwear - "Miembro de Segura Popular."

It seems to me thier first thought would be send the gringo to a private facility, we are pretty busy ATM.

Any better ideas?

DENNIS - 2-8-2012 at 03:25 PM

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Originally posted by greengoes
......sew this on your underwear - "Miembro de Segura Popular."



And make sure your shorts are clean. :lol:
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It seems to me thier first thought would be send the gringo to a private facility, we are pretty busy ATM.

Any better ideas?


They won't send anybody anywhere until it's known the facility will be paid.

toneart - 2-8-2012 at 03:37 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by greengoes
......sew this on your underwear - "Miembro de Segura Popular."



And make sure your shorts are clean. :lol:
Quote:
It seems to me thier first thought would be send the gringo to a private facility, we are pretty busy ATM.

Any better ideas?


They won't send anybody anywhere until it's known the facility will be paid.


Clean shorts? Of course! :lol: But also, you'd better wear your old, worn shorts with the holes. Maybe they would think twice before considering you an ATM. :o:smug: Not a better idea than the first one; just an addendum. :cool:

Not a good idea..

EnsenadaDr - 2-8-2012 at 03:40 PM

Usually in the emergency room they rip off your clothes or cut them off and donīt even look at them...better a copy in your wallet...or have a designated person who you can state in your wallet, Ïn case of emergency call...so and so...and then that person can tell them...in Spanish its Ën caso de urgencia...
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Originally posted by greengoes
A random thought from a gringo about Segura Popular.

In case you are involved in a serious accident, belong to above mentioned Mexican service, and no one is around to let them know this gringo should be treated.......sew this on your underwear - "Miembro de Segura Popular."

It seems to me thier first thought would be send the gringo to a private facility, we are pretty busy ATM.

Any better ideas?

This is not true..

EnsenadaDr - 2-8-2012 at 03:43 PM

There is the EMTALA law in Mexico as well, they have to stabilize the person first if they are in critical condition..and then if the person wants to go to Hospital Velmar or Cardiomed those private facilities would expect payment...but the law for critical situations is clear in the US and in Mexico...you canīt throw a person out in the street that is dying though you might not get the best of treatment..in other words they canīt withhold treatment for critical care patients...
Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by greengoes
......sew this on your underwear - "Miembro de Segura Popular."



And make sure your shorts are clean. :lol:
Quote:
It seems to me thier first thought would be send the gringo to a private facility, we are pretty busy ATM.

Any better ideas?


They won't send anybody anywhere until it's known the facility will be paid.

Woooosh - 2-8-2012 at 06:11 PM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
There is the EMTALA law in Mexico as well, they have to stabilize the person first if they are in critical condition..and then if the person wants to go to Hospital Velmar or Cardiomed those private facilities would expect payment...but the law for critical situations is clear in the US and in Mexico...you canīt throw a person out in the street that is dying though you might not get the best of treatment..in other words they canīt withhold treatment for critical care patients...
Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by greengoes
......sew this on your underwear - "Miembro de Segura Popular."



And make sure your shorts are clean. :lol:
Quote:
It seems to me thier first thought would be send the gringo to a private facility, we are pretty busy ATM.

Any better ideas?


They won't send anybody anywhere until it's known the facility will be paid.

"might not be getting the best treatment" in a critical situation is acceptable where and to whom exactly? Certainly not the patient (ATM). I know you mean they try the best they can, but I think it is wise to get back across the border and into a US hospital in a critical situation if at all possible. They can sit and wait for days for treatment in Mexico. Not the norm, but it happens.

[Edited on 2-9-2012 by Woooosh]

Roberto - 2-8-2012 at 07:06 PM

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though you might not get the best of treatment

Please explain. Are you saying that in the U.S. there are hospitals that would not throw you out on the street but withhold or not provide the best treatment they can?

That is certainly not my experience. You may spend years after the fact dealing with bills, no doubt about it, but you WILL get the best treatment that facility can provide, including ICU, inpatient, etc.

Is that what you meant?

Woooosh - 2-8-2012 at 07:09 PM

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Originally posted by Roberto
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though you might not get the best of treatment

Please explain. Are you saying that in the U.S. there are hospitals that would not throw you out on the street but withhold or not provide the best treatment they can?

That is certainly not my experience. You may spend years after the fact dealing with bills, no doubt about it, but you WILL get the best treatment that facility can provide, including ICU, inpatient, etc.

Is that what you meant?

nope. we were talking about Mexican hospitals if you arrive without insurance or proof of your ability to pay (ATM). At least I was.

[Edited on 2-9-2012 by Woooosh]

NOT the best treatment...

EnsenadaDr - 2-8-2012 at 07:12 PM

Wooosh,
Hate to say it but I have seen from my dealings with Doctors in the states, that if a patient has no insurance they will not admit the patient to the hospital but if they do they run a bunch of tests...its all about the money...sad to say!!!
Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh
Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
There is the EMTALA law in Mexico as well, they have to stabilize the person first if they are in critical condition..and then if the person wants to go to Hospital Velmar or Cardiomed those private facilities would expect payment...but the law for critical situations is clear in the US and in Mexico...you canīt throw a person out in the street that is dying though you might not get the best of treatment..in other words they canīt withhold treatment for critical care patients...
Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by greengoes
......sew this on your underwear - "Miembro de Segura Popular."



And make sure your shorts are clean. :lol:
Quote:
It seems to me thier first thought would be send the gringo to a private facility, we are pretty busy ATM.

Any better ideas?


They won't send anybody anywhere until it's known the facility will be paid.

"might not be getting the best treatment" in a critical situation is acceptable where and to whom exactly? Certainly not the patient (ATM). I know you mean they try the best they can, but I think it is wise to get back across the border and into a US hospital in a critical situation if at all possible. They can sit and wait for days for treatment in Mexico. Not the norm, but it happens.

[Edited on 2-9-2012 by Woooosh]

bajagrouper - 2-8-2012 at 08:15 PM

How about just a big S P tattooed to your forehead ?

Roberto - 2-8-2012 at 08:48 PM

Whoosh - question was directed at EnsenadaDr.

EnsenadaDr - you couldn't be more wrong. You show up at the ER, you are admitted. It's the LAW. End of story. They might argue with you, true enough, but they have to admit you. I have multiple, direct experience with this. You are just wrong on this one.

I am surprised or may not understand you, because you quoted EMTALA.

Here is more info on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and...


[Edited on 2-9-2012 by Roberto]

BajaBlanca - 2-8-2012 at 08:48 PM

does the seguro popular offer a card that one can have in ones wallet ?

EnsenadaDr - 2-8-2012 at 09:06 PM

That is what I said, they have to admit you. I said according to the Emtala law they have to admit you, but the quality of care might not be equal depending on the type of insurance you have...
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Originally posted by Roberto
Whoosh - question was directed at EnsenadaDr.

EnsenadaDr - you couldn't be more wrong. You show up at the ER, you are admitted. It's the LAW. End of story. They might argue with you, true enough, but they have to admit you. I have multiple, direct experience with this. You are just wrong on this one.

I am surprised or may not understand you, because you quoted EMTALA.

Here is more info on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and...


[Edited on 2-9-2012 by Roberto]

OK Roberto I see where I didn't explain well.

EnsenadaDr - 2-8-2012 at 09:11 PM

What I am saying Roberto, is that YES, they have to treat you to stabilize you..but if they stabilize you adequately in the emergency room they might not admit you if you don't have adequate insurance...however, I have seen patients that were admitted for months without insurance in the states because they weren't stable enough to go home..and I have seen patients in Mexico having a heart attack and kept on a gurney in the ER because there was no room in ICU...
Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Wooosh,
Hate to say it but I have seen from my dealings with Doctors in the states, that if a patient has no insurance they will not admit the patient to the hospital but if they do they run a bunch of tests...its all about the money...sad to say!!!
Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh
Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
There is the EMTALA law in Mexico as well, they have to stabilize the person first if they are in critical condition..and then if the person wants to go to Hospital Velmar or Cardiomed those private facilities would expect payment...but the law for critical situations is clear in the US and in Mexico...you canīt throw a person out in the street that is dying though you might not get the best of treatment..in other words they canīt withhold treatment for critical care patients...
Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by greengoes
......sew this on your underwear - "Miembro de Segura Popular."



And make sure your shorts are clean. :lol:
Quote:
It seems to me thier first thought would be send the gringo to a private facility, we are pretty busy ATM.

Any better ideas?


They won't send anybody anywhere until it's known the facility will be paid.

"might not be getting the best treatment" in a critical situation is acceptable where and to whom exactly? Certainly not the patient (ATM). I know you mean they try the best they can, but I think it is wise to get back across the border and into a US hospital in a critical situation if at all possible. They can sit and wait for days for treatment in Mexico. Not the norm, but it happens.

[Edited on 2-9-2012 by Woooosh]

Pescador - 2-9-2012 at 09:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaBlanca
does the seguro popular offer a card that one can have in ones wallet ?


Yes, they issue a card that is laminated and can be carried in your billfold.

JoeJustJoe - 2-9-2012 at 01:50 PM

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Originally posted by Roberto
Whoosh - question was directed at EnsenadaDr.

EnsenadaDr - you couldn't be more wrong. You show up at the ER, you are admitted. It's the LAW. End of story. They might argue with you, true enough, but they have to admit you. I have multiple, direct experience with this. You are just wrong on this one.

I am surprised or may not understand you, because you quoted EMTALA.

Here is more info on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and...


[Edited on 2-9-2012 by Roberto]


Yeah right Roberto. Hospitals in the US have been known to turn away poor and non insured people in need of emergency medical care despite the law or the hospitals just take advantage of people who don't know their legal rights, and know it's unlikely these poor people in need of medical emergency care will report or sue the hospitals that turn them away.


We could even talk about the HMO's that routinely screw over their patients medical needs even if they're insured.

I'm sure people in Mexico including ex-pats and visiting Americans get screwed over in Mexican hospitals like in the US hospitals. Getting screwed over in hospital over emergency medical care doesn't only happen in Mexico. It's a worldwide problem, and it also happens in the USA. I could show example after example, but I'll only show a few.

Here are a few examples:


In Alameda County, a private hospital turned away a woman in labor because the hospital's computer showed that she didn't have insurance. Hours later, her baby was born dead in a county hospital.

In San Bernardino, a hospital surgeon sent a patient who had been stabbed in the heart to a county medical center after examining him and declaring his condition stable. The patient arrived at the county medical center moribund, suffered a cardiac arrest, and died. i

http://www.scu.edu/ethics/publications/iie/v1n4/healthy.html
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In one recent case, a Virginia court ordered a 66-year-old Virginia woman to receive mental health treatment. Emergency services workers contacted more than 15 private hospitals trying to find a bed. No luck. They all turned her away.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/virginia-must-stop-tu...
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L.A. Hospitals Investigated on Patient-Dumping

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9189990

Woooosh - 2-9-2012 at 03:22 PM

I'm guessing the USA and Mexico are not in the top 10 or 20 in the world for national health care, which is a shame.