jide - 9-29-2004 at 09:13 PM
I've had this great website in my favorites, for a while, check it out, those are relatively old pictures (50's-70's): http://orpheus.ucsd.edu/speccoll/baja/index.htm
Enjoy!
OOPS
jide - 9-29-2004 at 09:27 PM
The most interesting link (Harry Crosby) doesn't work, try this: http://orpheus.ucsd.edu/speccoll/baja/crosby/crosby02.html
David K - 9-29-2004 at 09:37 PM
Jide, can you make Howard Gulick's link work?
BajaNomad - 9-30-2004 at 06:54 AM
This page says they're "coming soon" and has working links to the other photos:
http://orpheus.ucsd.edu/speccoll/online.html
jide - 9-30-2004 at 02:58 PM
Nope, h. Gulick link does not work on my mac, but I have seen an old map from him before. Never seen any of his pictures though. The pix from Harry
Crosby are of great quality, aren't they?
DD - 9-30-2004 at 06:24 PM
jide,
Great site!!
Found some more information on H. Gulick:
http://orpheus.ucsd.edu/speccoll/teting/html/mss0091a.html
Register of Howard E. Gulick Papers 1948 -- 1980
MSS 0091
Mandeville Special Collections Library
University of California, San Diego
Papers of Howard E. Gulick, author, cartographer and traveler in the Mexican states of Baja California Norte, Baja California Sur and Nayarit. Gulick
coauthored one of the first guidebooks on Baja California, the LOWER CALIFORNIA GUIDEBOOK (1956), which combined history and culture with field maps
and mileage tabulation. His guidebook to Nayarit entitled NAYARIT, MEXICO; A TRAVELER'S GUIDEBOOK TO THIS HISTORIC AND SCENIC STATE OF MEXICO'S WEST
COAST, AND ITS CAPITAL, THE CITY OF TEPIC (1965) was the first English-language guide to that state. The Baja California materials date between 1948
and 1973 and the Nayarit materials date between 1964 and 1965.
The materials are arranged in five series: 1) CORRESPONDENCE; 2) WRITINGS; 3) MAP MATERIALS; 4) SLIDES; and 5) JOURNALS. Included are letters from
botanist Annetta Carter and geographer Homer Aschmann, manuscripts and typescripts of Gulick's unpublished research papers, manuscript maps, published
maps, journals and diaries from trips, and a large collection of color slide images of places and people in Baja California and Nayarit.
Extent: 2.60 linear feet (3 archives boxes, 2 card file boxes, 12 oversize folders, 6 slide boxes)
DD - 9-30-2004 at 06:30 PM
Here is their full listing of manuscripts for Baja:
http://orpheus.ucsd.edu/speccoll/testing/mexicofa.html#baja
Baja California
* Carpenter, Ford Ashman. Sierra de San Pedro Martir. Photograph Album, 1903. . [
* EAD] [HTML] [CATALOG RECORD] Crosby, Harry. Collection, 1966-1992. [EAD] [HTML] [CATALOG RECORD]
* Denton Ranch Collection (Jacume, Baja California Norte, Mexico), 1864-1993. [EAD] [HTML] [CATALOG RECORD]
* Ex-Mission of Santa Catarina Legal File, 1856-1916. [EAD] [HTML] [CATALOG RECORD]
* Fletcher Family. Papers, 1870-1955 (bulk 1920-1950). [EAD] [CATALOG RECORD]
* Geddes, Lewis J. Notebooks, 1930-1937. [EAD] [HTML] [CATALOG RECORD]
* Gulick, Howard E. Papers, 1948-1980. [EAD] [HTML] [CATALOG RECORD]
* Hilton, John. Hardly Any Fences: Baja California in 1933-1959. Typescript. 1975-1979. [EAD] [HTML] [CATALOG RECORD]
* McDonald, Marquis. Photographs, 1949-1950. [EAD] [HTML] [CATALOG RECORD]
* Miller, Max. Manuscripts and Related Documents, 1899-1967. [EAD] [HTML] [CATALOG RECORD]
* Southwest Postcard Collection, 1900-1968.[EAD] [HTML] [CATALOG RECORD]
DD - 9-30-2004 at 06:49 PM
Found a website that links to 16 of Gerhard and Gulick's 1962 travel guide:
http://biology.fullerton.edu/biol517dje/maps.htm
"Click on blue rectangles in the map on left to view one of 16 individual maps from Gerhard and Gulick's 1962 travel guide to Baja California. I have
scanned all of these cool hand-drawn maps and converted them to Adobe Acrobat PDF format (requires Acrobat Reader). Robert A. Clark from Arthur H.
Clark Co. (9/26/03) has kindly granted me permission to display these maps on this website: "This sounds fine to me. The book has been out-of-print
for many years. Howard Gulick is deceased. Peter Gerhard lives in France. Walt Wheelock, who co-authored the last two editions, is also deceased. You
have our permission to scan and place the maps on your website. Bob Clark." Thanks Bob!"
David K - 9-30-2004 at 07:10 PM
Yes, that is the link I have on my site... here is how it is listed on my front page:
1962 Baja road maps by Howard Gulick (thanks to Doug Eernisse).
Doug Eernisse attended the Baja Cactus Cultural Fiesta.
jide - 10-1-2004 at 05:34 PM
Hey Bajalou,
I have an answer to your question concerning the "El Parral" canyon photo from the Harry Crosby site (http://orpheus.ucsd.edu/speccoll/baja/crosby/crosby10.html) Here's his email reply:
" Dear Gerald,
The Arroyo del Parral with the great tinaja in my photo drains part of the
southern portion of the Sierra de San Francisco, and its mouth opens into
the broad watercourse which passes on the northern side of San Ignacio in
mid-peninsula.
I have not been in the area that you describe, probably not too far east of
El Portezuelo in the southern reaches of Sierra de San Pedro M?rtir.
Happy exploring! Harry"
The rock type was very similar to the upper Parral we explored last spring, but I had serious doubts about the location.
David K - 10-1-2004 at 05:42 PM
The confussion is that Parral is used a lot for canyon names... There's two seperate Parral canyons dropping into Valle Chico alone! Parral seems to
translate to grape vine, and we did see some behind Rancho Parral... I am sure jide was thinking of 'wine' at that moment???
jide - 10-1-2004 at 06:29 PM
Canyon El Vino? I have to find it !!!!
Old and Rare maps of the World
Bedman - 10-2-2004 at 12:55 AM
Here's a website that you all might enjoy, They have rare maps and a pretty good collection of Baja maps too.
http://www.raremaps.com/cgi-bin/map-builder.cgi?America++815...
Hope you like
Bedman
Parral
bajalou - 10-2-2004 at 10:46 AM
Thanks Jide for the info. There sure are some simmilarities with rock etc - but it's a long way from San Ignacio.
And I believe from talking to locals, parral = grapvine for the way they bend and wind around, not whats growing there. Even if there were grapevines
growing in the Parral we went to.
David K - 10-2-2004 at 04:41 PM
Thanks Lou... that's great information (canyon's shape like a grapevine)! Sure makes sense. Almost understand how Bruce Barber called Parral Canyon
(the one between the Sulfur Mine and Valle Chico) 'Crazy Horse' in his book... because of the way it winds through the mountain... same idea.
bajalou - 10-2-2004 at 05:09 PM
Great picture David. It really shows the south end of Valle Chico and Matomi
Why am I not out there today???