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Smoking, Cocaine and Cardiovascular Disease...

EnsenadaDr - 3-24-2012 at 10:09 AM

Reading the latest coroner's report on Whitney Houston, I was saddened as maybe some of you were as well by the death of a seemingly healthy looking beautiful woman at the relatively young age of 48. But there were many clues in the death of Whitney Houston that could benefit us all. First of all, her arteries were 60% obstructed with fatty plaques. How and why did this happen? She was not overweight. She was Afro-American, and this particular race has a genetic propensity for cardiovascular disease. But there were other clues here even more fascinating. Take two brothers from an Italian family. My father and his brother. My father smoked Camels non-filtered cigarettes most of his life starting at age 15 and ending with his death at 81 years old. His brother was 13 months younger, and never smoked a day in his life. His brother is still living at age 89, with arteries pretty clean for his age (50% occlusion). At age 60, my father had over 80% of all of his major arteries occluded. Wonder he lived until age 81.

The big clue is this. Smoking causes constriction of the artery walls, and thus causes buildup of plaque or artherosclerosis at an accelerated rate. But so does cocaine. And since Whitney struggled her whole career with an addiction to cocaine, her arteries were constricted a majority of the time, so the fatty plaque buildup was accelerated at an alarming rate. The coroner reported Whitney took a pretty good dose of Cocaine right before she drowned. Cocaine also causes cardiac arrythmias and a large demand of oxygen from the heart. Coupled with her advanced atherosclerosis, the blood could not reach the heart in adequate amounts to supply oxygen and she had a heart attack.

Most of us don't have the money or inclination to use cocaine, or crack, or ice, or methamphetamines, which have similar effects. Smoking however does cause the same pattern in increased plaque in the arteries.

Bob H - 3-24-2012 at 10:31 AM

At first glance, I thought, how is this Baja related.... but, it is a fact of life and for all of those who live in Baja! Thanks for posting this.
Bob H

Cypress - 3-24-2012 at 10:52 AM

Health issues are universal.:D

bacquito - 3-24-2012 at 11:12 AM

Well written and advice we Nomads need to be aware of, thanks!

DENNIS - 3-24-2012 at 11:13 AM

Whitney sank benieth the surface of her bath water and was so stoned that her gag-reflexes didn't bring her to her senses.
The coroners mention of heart problems was nothing more than a gift to Whitney and Hollywood and will forever be mentioned by her slobbering fans as a major cause of her demise.
She died a junkie's death brought on by her own hand. She and her demons were the only ones in that bathroom.

Cypress - 3-24-2012 at 11:41 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Whitney sank benieth the surface of her bath water and was so stoned that her gag-reflexes didn't bring her to her senses.
The coroners mention of heart problems was nothing more than a gift to Whitney and Hollywood and will forever be mentioned by her slobbering fans as a major cause of her demise.
She died a junkie's death brought on by her own hand. She and her demons were the only ones in that bathroom.


True!!!

Off topic..

EnsenadaDr - 3-24-2012 at 11:50 AM

alot of people are posting San Diego and San Ysidro articles and Costco articles here, yes and exactly it does matter to all of us, North or South of the Border
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Originally posted by Bob H
At first glance, I thought, how is this Baja related.... but, it is a fact of life and for all of those who live in Baja! Thanks for posting this.
Bob H

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bajaguy - 3-24-2012 at 11:52 AM

Baja killers are excessive sodium in the food and second hand smoke.......

woody with a view - 3-24-2012 at 11:55 AM

who cares? if you asked her she'd say she lived a great life, even if it was short. who are you/me to judge anyone else's lifestyle? as long as she didn't hurt anyone but herself it ain't our call. just hypocritic to sit and judge from afar! no one is innocent!

nyme sayin?

Cypress - 3-24-2012 at 11:55 AM

From looking at the photo's of various Baja events I'd put obesity somewhere in that mix.:o

Interpretation of a Layman

EnsenadaDr - 3-24-2012 at 11:56 AM

The amount of Flexeril and Benadryl as well as Xanax were at or sub therapeutic levels, so the Coroner believed they had nothing to do with her demise, stick to your specialty and I'll stick to mine. I did careful research on this and I am in total agreement with the Coroner's report. What kind of gift is saying you are a chronic cocaine addict and took your last hit before you dropped dead? UMMM...no gift!! Marijuana doesn't kill as for being stoned, unless you eat a half kilo of it...and junkie is a heroin addict..no heroin was found in her system. She had a heart attack in the bathtub, pure and simple.
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Originally posted by DENNIS
Whitney sank benieth the surface of her bath water and was so stoned that her gag-reflexes didn't bring her to her senses.
The coroners mention of heart problems was nothing more than a gift to Whitney and Hollywood and will forever be mentioned by her slobbering fans as a major cause of her demise.
She died a junkie's death brought on by her own hand. She and her demons were the only ones in that bathroom.

Way out of line.

EnsenadaDr - 3-24-2012 at 11:59 AM

My point was that smoking can cause a problem...and drug use..I wasn't criticizing her...I guess you missed the point...sorry I don't talk about Buddy Holly, then you would agree with me it was OK to post on topic.
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Originally posted by woody with a view
who cares? if you asked her she'd say she lived a great life, even if it was short. who are you/me to judge anyone else's lifestyle? as long as she didn't hurt anyone but herself it ain't our call. just hypocritic to sit and judge from afar! no one is innocent!

nyme sayin?

whitney

captkw - 3-24-2012 at 12:05 PM

HOLA, It's your body but with your S.S. # your ass is owned !! and you can only (legal) us thier drug's and anything natural is shunted by the AMA & drug firm's.. I think/feel what you do to your bod is you biz and not a church or gov has the right to control me...THE LAST OUTLAW !! K&T :cool: r.i.p. whitney... she really could belt them out,with flair !!

Cypress - 3-24-2012 at 12:07 PM

Jeez, She's dead, stone cold dead. Grave yard dead! The operative word is "dead". And? She died from natural causes. Heck, if you get run over by a truck, that's natural causes. The truck ran over you. Natural cause.;)

woody with a view - 3-24-2012 at 12:07 PM

hey Doc, you'll notice i wasn't quoting you or anyone else for that matter. you lay out a lot of very good points with your medical background. things most of us have no clue about.

BUT, i don't care about whitney, buddy, janice, jimi, kurt, amy, or any number of addicts who lived their own lives in their own way. we all are racing to the same fate-regardless of the circumstances of how we get there....

get in line.

[Edited on 3-24-2012 by woody with a view]

woody

captkw - 3-24-2012 at 12:23 PM

HOLA, I'm in line..just dont where in line am I at ?:lol: K&T

DENNIS - 3-24-2012 at 01:11 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
She died from natural causes.



Ohhh yeah....drowning in a bathtub while in a drug stupor is a natural cause. :lol:
I'll bet her insurance company won't agree with that one.

Cypress - 3-24-2012 at 01:33 PM

Natural causes. OJ Simpson was innocent. And that old highway goes on forever:D

woody with a view - 3-24-2012 at 01:36 PM

believe me, you don't want to die an "unnatural" death.

Ateo - 3-24-2012 at 02:05 PM

How many current coke users on this board? Just wondering if anyone will come clean?:lol:

mulegemichael - 3-24-2012 at 02:35 PM

all of a sudden it's the end of this thread!....hmmmmm.

vandenberg - 3-24-2012 at 02:48 PM

Like a rum and coke once in a while.:biggrin::biggrin:

DENNIS - 3-24-2012 at 02:56 PM

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Originally posted by mulegemichael
all of a sudden it's the end of this thread!....hmmmmm.



If anyone here now was doing blow, the answer would have been three miles long, loud and fast. :lol:

Stupor...

EnsenadaDr - 3-24-2012 at 02:57 PM

I've seen quite alot of retirees in a stupor from a legal drug, cause they probably can't afford the higher end ones...Alcohol, which by the way causes Cardiomyopathy...and if you have a heart problem...you shouldn't be drinking.
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Originally posted by DENNIS
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Originally posted by Cypress
She died from natural causes.



Ohhh yeah....drowning in a bathtub while in a drug stupor is a natural cause. :lol:
I'll bet her insurance company won't agree with that one.

Crack users come clean.....

EnsenadaDr - 3-24-2012 at 02:59 PM

You'd be surprised how many people use ice, crack and methamphetamines...they are cheap...myself, I have enough energy for 4 people...please slow me down...I don't need any of that stuff..
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Originally posted by ateo
How many current coke users on this board? Just wondering if anyone will come clean?:lol:

woody...

EnsenadaDr - 3-24-2012 at 03:02 PM

Sorry Woody,
After I wrote that I got on the road and started thinking that maybe you weren't talking to me. I guess I am in defense retaliation mode...ha ha
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Originally posted by woody with a view
hey Doc, you'll notice i wasn't quoting you or anyone else for that matter. you lay out a lot of very good points with your medical background. things most of us have no clue about.

BUT, i don't care about whitney, buddy, janice, jimi, kurt, amy, or any number of addicts who lived their own lives in their own way. we all are racing to the same fate-regardless of the circumstances of how we get there....

get in line.

[Edited on 3-24-2012 by woody with a view]

bacquito - 3-24-2012 at 03:03 PM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
who cares? if you asked her she'd say she lived a great life, even if it was short. who are you/me to judge anyone else's lifestyle? as long as she didn't hurt anyone but herself it ain't our call. just hypocritic to sit and judge from afar! no one is innocent!

nyme sayin?


She hurt alot of people including her daughter and family.

Talking about drug addicts...

EnsenadaDr - 3-24-2012 at 03:10 PM

I passed by the Riviera Beer Festival, where one year ago today I went with a dear friend that I lost to a very legal drug, alcohol. NObody can sit there and point fingers at 'Drug addicts" if they themselves have a problem with alcohol. It destroys the liver, heart, and like Bacquito said, it destroys families and friends.
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Originally posted by bacquito
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Originally posted by woody with a view
who cares? if you asked her she'd say she lived a great life, even if it was short. who are you/me to judge anyone else's lifestyle? as long as she didn't hurt anyone but herself it ain't our call. just hypocritic to sit and judge from afar! no one is innocent!

nyme sayin?


She hurt alot of people including her daughter and family.

number 1 killer

joerover - 3-24-2012 at 03:34 PM

Today the World Health Organization (WHO) announced that alcohol is to blame for just about 4% of, or 2.5 million deaths worldwide annually. Alcohol attributable injuries are of a growing concern to the public health community, with alcohol-related injuries such as road traffic accidents, burns, poisonings, falls and drownings making up more than a third of the disease burden attributable to alcohol consumption. AIDS was a close second with 2.1 milion deaths in 2009.

Yet alcohol control policies are weak and remain a low priority for most governments despite drinking's heavy toll on society from road accidents, violence, disease, child neglect and job absenteeism.

Today the World Health Organization (WHO) announced that alcohol is to blame for just about 40% of, or 2.5 million log offs from bajanomad annually. Alcohol attributable headaches are of a growing concern to the forum reading community, with alcohol-related posters making up more than a 2/thirds of the disease burden attributable to alcohol consumption. .

Yet alcohol control policies are weak and remain a low priority for the forum moderates despite drinkings heavy toll on society from road accidents, violence, disease, child neglect and job absenteeism and people logging out for good.

acadist - 3-24-2012 at 03:43 PM

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Originally posted by Bob H
At first glance, I thought, how is this Baja related.... but, it is a fact of life and for all of those who live in Baja! Thanks for posting this.
Bob H


:lol:

Cocaine Blues

acadist - 3-24-2012 at 03:46 PM

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Originally posted by soulpatch
Cocaine Blues

Love that song...and just about ANY Johnny Cash

BajaWarrior - 3-24-2012 at 04:58 PM

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Originally posted by vandenberg
Like a rum and coke once in a while.:biggrin::biggrin:


I'll even go so far as to add a twist of lime to mine...

DianaT - 3-24-2012 at 05:01 PM

Well,,,,,

Coke is certainly better than Pepsi --- no doubt about it.

woody with a view - 3-24-2012 at 05:22 PM

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Originally posted by bacquito
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Originally posted by woody with a view
who cares? if you asked her she'd say she lived a great life, even if it was short. who are you/me to judge anyone else's lifestyle? as long as she didn't hurt anyone but herself it ain't our call. just hypocritic to sit and judge from afar! no one is innocent!

nyme sayin?


She hurt alot of people including her daughter and family.

:barf: it hurt me when my mom died at age 45 from natural causes, er, complications from diabetes. i'm not mad at her.

MADD

EnsenadaDr - 3-24-2012 at 05:34 PM

Who's mad? I'm not...are you?? The only MAD I know is MADD, Mothers against Drunk Drivers, that have had kids killed due to drunks on the road.
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Originally posted by woody with a view
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Originally posted by bacquito
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Originally posted by woody with a view
who cares? if you asked her she'd say she lived a great life, even if it was short. who are you/me to judge anyone else's lifestyle? as long as she didn't hurt anyone but herself it ain't our call. just hypocritic to sit and judge from afar! no one is innocent!

nyme sayin?


She hurt alot of people including her daughter and family.

:barf: it hurt me when my mom died at age 45 from natural causes, er, complications from diabetes. i'm not mad at her.

woody with a view - 3-24-2012 at 05:57 PM

which remind me of a joke.

don't drink and drive. you might hit a bump and spill!:lol:

now back to whitney houston's scuba lesson....

DENNIS - 3-24-2012 at 06:00 PM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
now back to whitney houston's scuba lesson....


:lol::lol::lol: I'll bet you didn't hear that one in City Heights.

DENNIS - 3-24-2012 at 06:04 PM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Who's mad? I'm not...are you?? The only MAD I know is MADD, Mothers against Drunk Drivers, that have had kids killed due to drunks on the road.


It was a while back when the President of MADD quit her position and went to work as a Liquor Industry lobbyist.

Ohhh well......I guess money is thicker than blood....or something like that. :lol:

woody with a view - 3-24-2012 at 06:07 PM

city heights? :?:

Stronger than dirt..

EnsenadaDr - 3-24-2012 at 06:07 PM

Addiction runs in the blood, its true!! BTW, I'd like to have your reference for that, Dennis...
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Originally posted by DENNIS
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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Who's mad? I'm not...are you?? The only MAD I know is MADD, Mothers against Drunk Drivers, that have had kids killed due to drunks on the road.


It was a while back when the President of MADD quit her position and went to work as a Liquor Industry lobbyist.

Ohhh well......I guess money is thicker than blood....or something like that. :lol:

DENNIS - 3-24-2012 at 06:12 PM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
BTW, I'd like to have your reference for that, Dennis


Sorry it took so long to find:

http://randazza.wordpress.com/2010/04/12/drunk-driving-a-vic...

http://www.nytimes.com/1994/01/15/us/founder-of-anti-drunk-d...


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[Edited on 3-25-2012 by DENNIS]

So this means??

EnsenadaDr - 3-24-2012 at 06:15 PM

So you are saying this justifies drinking and driving and killing children...or what IS your point??
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Originally posted by DENNIS
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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
BTW, I'd like to have your reference for that, Dennis


Sorry it took so long to find:

http://randazza.wordpress.com/2010/04/12/drunk-driving-a-vic...

woody with a view - 3-24-2012 at 06:17 PM

cmon Doc. of course that's not what he or anyone thinks...

DENNIS - 3-24-2012 at 06:17 PM

I'm not making a point. Just conversation. I'll quit.

DENNIS - 3-24-2012 at 06:20 PM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
city heights? :?:


BIG Whitney fan base. :light:

You guys stick together..

EnsenadaDr - 3-24-2012 at 06:23 PM

Then if its not what he thinks, what was he thinking? Lucky the woman didn't kill herself after losing a daughter...
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Originally posted by woody with a view
cmon Doc. of course that's not what he or anyone thinks...

SOMETHING

MrBillM - 3-24-2012 at 06:52 PM

IS going to Kill us ALL Someday.

Eat, Drink (Smoke) and be Happy.

IF you don't make it as far as you'd like, GO without whimpering about it.

Die Quietly.

NOBODY's Interested.

Barry A. - 3-24-2012 at 07:55 PM

Good grief!!!!! The good Doctor offers some interesting info analyzed professionally for FREE and she almost instantly gets dumped on. Amazing!!!!

I, for one, am thankful to the doc for her comments and learned opinions/judgements. ( this forum is famous for "opinions and judgements" )

We are not FORCED to follow any of her advice, but it is FREE advice from an expert in her field, so why would ANYBODY complain? :rolleyes:

Thank you Doctor for your post.

Barry

woody with a view - 3-24-2012 at 08:44 PM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Then if its not what he thinks, what was he thinking?
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yeah Barry, i'm with ya!