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Armed camp in Baja Sur

Osprey - 3-27-2012 at 09:18 AM

As expected (until the G 20 summit ends June 19) Baja Sur is an armed camp.

Neighbors went from Los Barriles to SJDC the other day >> 6 stops/check stations with police and military in 60 road miles.

Calderone fights the War Against Imaginary Trouble.

castaway$ - 3-27-2012 at 09:35 AM

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Calderone fights the War Against Imaginary Trouble.

That makes no sense, The G20 is not a gathering of the top 20 drug lords throughout the world. :light:

Osprey - 3-27-2012 at 09:44 AM

Don't take much. They let Chapo slip right through their SWAT fingers and they're not happy about it.

Ahhhhhhhhh

bajaguy - 3-27-2012 at 10:22 AM

But it looks good, and perception is everything!!

LaPazGringo - 3-27-2012 at 05:45 PM

The road outside Los Planes was blocked by federales last night but we were heading toward La Paz (from Bahia de Los Suenos) and they barely looked at us. Stopping all traffic heading South.

desertcpl - 3-27-2012 at 06:12 PM

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Originally posted by Osprey
As expected (until the G 20 summit ends June 19) Baja Sur is an armed camp.

Neighbors went from Los Barriles to SJDC the other day >> 6 stops/check stations with police and military in 60 road miles.

Calderone fights the War Against Imaginary Trouble.

really , so what would you have done, great wise man

Osprey - 3-27-2012 at 06:52 PM

What would I have done about what? When? What for?

While I'm waiting, thanks for the hype >> great, wise, man. I'm flattered that you've been reading my posts and my essays and fiction pieces.

desertcpl - 3-27-2012 at 07:07 PM

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What would I have done about what? When? What for?

While I'm waiting, thanks for the hype >> great, wise, man. I'm flattered that you've been reading my posts and my essays and fiction pieces.

your really funny, you cant remember what you wrote :lol:

classicbajabronco - 3-27-2012 at 07:07 PM

Police man was shot and killed and they were searchig for the bad guys.

desertcpl - 3-27-2012 at 07:15 PM

thats not good at all,, dont want anybody to get hurt

DavidE - 3-27-2012 at 09:12 PM

Damn! Look folks, those of you that have to live with organized crime can appreciate the frustration that Mexico has with trying to contain it. IT FREAKIN' AIN'T ABOUT THE DRUGS!!

It's about a group of armed men knocking on your gosh darnned door at midnight explaining how unsafe the neighborhood is and how they can control it for say 500MN a week. It's about cops so afraid to respond to a telephone call about a burglar (sanctioned by the local mafia) that they respond in 45 minutes even though the station is a half mile away.

It's about gunfire in front of the supermarket that a ricochet chips a piece of concrete, slashes your forehead and you drive gosh darnned home with blood dripping in your lap. It's about two little adopted grand daughters one of which crapped her denims the other urinated in her shorts.

SCREW THE DRUGS! THIS IS NOT ABOUT DRUGS! This is about killers that are perfectly willing and capable of shooting up a newsworthy conference in order to make a point. They chop heads off and assassinate toddlers to make a point. In my home state I read anuncios all the time posted alongside the highway.

When they legalize drugs what do you think the sicarios are going to do, stripe a burro and take tourist photos on the beach? Tend bar? Fix flats?

OK I've vented. Come with me when I go home and I'll show you what the gosh darnned war is all about.

[Edited on 3-28-2012 by DavidE]

dtbushpilot - 3-27-2012 at 10:36 PM

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When they legalize drugs what do you think the sicarios are going to do, stripe a burro to take tourist photos on the beach?

Important point. Are we totally screwed?

What happened to all the U.S. gangsters after the repeal of Prohibition?

They found other victims to prey upon like "protection", drugs etc. Anybody that thinks that legalizing drugs in the US would make it all go away is foolish. Criminals are criminals, the drug dealers aren't going to get a job pumping gas at the local Pemex if the drug money dries up, they are going to go after the next lowest hanging fruit....like tourists or expat Americans or Canadians who own homes in a foreign country and can't defend themselves........

sorry for the hijack, I got a little carried away.....what were we talking about again?......dt

latina - 3-28-2012 at 06:43 AM

The roadblocks were due to the shooting of two policemen who had made several drug busts in the area recently. It took place on the highway SJD-Los Barriles on the morning of the 26th and one of the policemen was killed with an AK-47 of course. The navy, all levels of police and the army descended on the area and this morning the papers say they have arrested 3 hired assassins for the murder. You can be sure Los Cabos will be saturated with sharpshooters et al when the G20 comes to town. Good time to go on vacation

LaPazGringo - 3-28-2012 at 10:46 AM

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Originally posted by lenchoWhat happened to all the U.S. gangsters after the repeal of Prohibition?

Some ended up dead, others in Alcatraz. To throw our hands up and say that these traficantes have won and we're all future victims is absurd.

dtbushpilot - 3-28-2012 at 11:08 AM

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Originally posted by lenchoWhat happened to all the U.S. gangsters after the repeal of Prohibition?

Some ended up dead, others in Alcatraz. To throw our hands up and say that these traficantes have won and we're all future victims is absurd.

So what do you think would happen if the drug profits dissapeared for one reason or another?

Cypress - 3-28-2012 at 11:38 AM

If drugs where legalized? Half the law enforcement guys, lawyers, and bail bondsmen would be looking for jobs. There would be a revolution in Mexico, life would go on. The revenue from taxation would be put to good use as opposed to the illegal payoffs enriching politicians. And on and on. It's gonna happen sooner or later. :yes:

vgabndo - 3-28-2012 at 01:48 PM

So Osprey, Brother, you appear to have over-reacted. That's OK with me. I know a little bit more than most, it seems, about armed camps.

What happened to organized crime in America? It is alive and well in the form of about 1200 far right wing (predominantly) Christian private armies. A 755% increase in so called Patriot Militias has occurred since the election of a half white President. (widely reported non-partisan study)

I KNOW who the commander is who claims my street!

I know who one of his HEROs is. (Other than the terrorist who flew his plane into the IRS building in TX.)

His hero, is Richard Mack. Richard Mack is CSPOA. CSPOA is a 10th. Amendment organization recruiting outlaw sheriffs to arrest State and Federal authorities in order to cause the Feds to react. When they react, Richard Mack and my Sheriff Jon Lopey, who is on his Board of Directors, will scream Federal Tyranny, push the button, and I guarantee they can put 1000 heavily armed terrorists in this County in 24 hours. It would be, with the information I have, naive and foolish to think otherwise. If I can drive TO Idaho in 10 hours the most virulently fanatical can easily do the reverse; and that is just one compass direction. www.jeffersonstatemilitia.com CLAIMS more than 100,000 members!

A fanatical Christian war lord, I submit, when he starts spraying bullets in the name of his anti-government beliefs is every bit as dangerous as a drug lord with an AK47. Perhaps more dangerous if one supports their government.

I will add that those who support the war lords, seem to think that the street gangs are their superior in terms of fire-power.

There is street gang chatter on the militia site here. Although there is a sophomoric effort to make it appear that the racism and white power foundations of their movement no longer apply, this is just result of what they learned after their first big success in Oklahoma City.

DavidE, I hear you LOUD and CLEAR.

LaPazGringo - 3-28-2012 at 02:06 PM

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Originally posted by lenchoWhat happened to all the U.S. gangsters after the repeal of Prohibition?

Some ended up dead, others in Alcatraz. To throw our hands up and say that these traficantes have won and we're all future victims is absurd.

So what do you think would happen if the drug profits dissapeared for one reason or another?

I mean this in the friendliest sort of way but can't seem to find any other way to put it: that's an absolutely absurd "what if?" Not interested...

Cypress - 3-28-2012 at 02:13 PM

vgabndo, 775% increase in people that are alarmed about the direction the current administration is taking the US? Obamacare, open mike dialogue with the Russian president, the fuel situation, inflamitory remarks regarding the Florida shooting, the entire Dem congessional crowd marching in lock-step with the whole program. The list is endless. Make that 776% at this point.

dtbushpilot - 3-28-2012 at 02:32 PM

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So what do you think would happen if the drug profits dissapeared for one reason or another?

I think they would take their hundreds of millions, buy political influence, launder money through legislated banking laws and become more mainstream, for lack of a better word.
There's plenty of RE sitting here NOB just waiting for buyers.... what better way to legitimize all those profits?
A very simple synopsis but entirely possible.
Look how our government prints up dollars out of thin air to bail out banks...not people, but banks.
Ridiculous.

You may be right about the 1% at the top of the cartel food chain but I was thinking more about the foot soldiers who do all the actual killing. Perhaps they will come North to the "land of plenty" and join their MS13 brethren....

dtbushpilot - 3-28-2012 at 02:39 PM

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Originally posted by LaPazGringo

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Originally posted by LaPazGringo

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Originally posted by lenchoWhat happened to all the U.S. gangsters after the repeal of Prohibition?

Some ended up dead, others in Alcatraz. To throw our hands up and say that these traficantes have won and we're all future victims is absurd.

So what do you think would happen if the drug profits dissapeared for one reason or another?

I mean this in the friendliest sort of way but can't seem to find any other way to put it: that's an absolutely absurd "what if?" Not interested...

OK. I was just asking for your thoughts on the topic at hand, my bad, never mind. I wasn't challenging your reply above :?:

LaPazGringo - 3-28-2012 at 02:56 PM

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Originally posted by dtbushpilot

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Originally posted by LaPazGringo

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Originally posted by lenchoWhat happened to all the U.S. gangsters after the repeal of Prohibition?

Some ended up dead, others in Alcatraz. To throw our hands up and say that these traficantes have won and we're all future victims is absurd.

So what do you think would happen if the drug profits dissapeared for one reason or another?

I mean this in the friendliest sort of way but can't seem to find any other way to put it: that's an absolutely absurd "what if?" Not interested...

OK. I was just asking for your thoughts on the topic at hand, my bad, never mind. I wasn't challenging your reply above :?:

No apology required. :tumble:

I didn't mean to sound like an a$s but I guess I did.

[Edited on 3-28-2012 by LaPazGringo]

bajajazz - 3-28-2012 at 03:07 PM

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Originally posted by DavidE
When they legalize drugs what do you think the sicarios are going to do, stripe a burro to take tourist photos on the beach?

Important point. Are we totally screwed?

What happened to all the U.S. gangsters after the repeal of Prohibition?

Relationships between organized crime in the USA and the government started in the Coolidge administration and have been with us ever since. Criminal goon squads were commonly hired as strikebreakers and the head guys were rewarded (in the case of the Ford Company) with car dealerships. I know of at least one that is in the hands of the same "family" to this day.

Prohibition put enormous wealth into the hands of people like Joe Kennedy Sr. who, after the repeal of Prohibition, was able to clean himself up enough to become Ambassador to Britain and later, use his wealth to put one of his sons (JFK) into the White House.

In the 'Thirties, criminal gambling interests were able to virtually take over the government of Cuba and remain in power there until the Castro revolution. It's sadly ironic that these same gambling interests may've been involved in the assassination of JFK because they blamed him for not supporting the CIA's nonsensical Bay of Pigs operation with sufficient fervor.

Organized crime also infiltrated and took over leadership of powerful labor unions, particularly on the east coast. To this day, the building trades in NYC are dirty. During WWII, deals were cut between the federal government and organized crime to avoid strikes that would hinder the war effort, in return for turning a blind eye to criminal involvement. This was also (and may still be) true of the Teamster's Union, whose pension fund was used by the Mafia to create Las Vegas, a gambling mecca the purpose of which was to compensate for the loss of revenue from the casinos in Cuba that were appropriated when Castro came to power.

When Prohibition was repealed the gangsters didn't just go into a quiet retirement and enjoy their wealth. They used it to become semi-respectable in order to acquire power within the system. The enormous wealth organized crime had accumulated over the life of Prohibition translated itself into power that in effect became a fourth branch of government, an entity able to buy politicians, judges and police at all levels, a government that operates in the shadows but is still with us to this day.

It will be no different in Mexico. Already, we see enormous real estate projects springing up out of the ground that make no economic sense at all, particularly during the worst recession the world has experienced since the Great Depression of the 'Thirties. Is the development phenomenon a product of drug money looking for a place to go?

The guys who know ain't talkin' but we do have history as a guide.

vgabndo - 3-28-2012 at 04:39 PM

Cypress, I may have underestimated your original intent to blow things out of proportion. Relative to the direction that Progressives are taking the nation I would say that direction is OUT of two un-budgeted wars, INTO still having an automotive industry, INTO still having Social Security, (Bush wanted to invest SS in the stock market before this crash.) And OUT of the inevitable chaos which would have ensued if he had allowed the banks and wall street to self-destruct in a greedfest fostered by a conservative SEC that didn't even notice Bernie Madoff! And relative to intransigence, hasn't virtually EVERY GOP congressperson signed a pledge to NEVER raise taxes NO MATTER WHAT? :fire:

What is happening in Mexico is going to start happening in the USA pretty soon. The way I read it, I must pass a dozen vehicles every day containing enough firepower to bring down a Marine squad from ambush.

I'm just sayin' BALLOTS NOT BULLETS!

Isn't there talk that PRI would decriminalize the situation to try to gain some stability? What would that do to the profits?

vgabndo - 3-28-2012 at 04:49 PM

Bajajazz...from the Ken Burns documentary I learned that Americans now drink 60% less than they did before the prohibition. That factoid combined with the connection to women's sufferage make the fall out from the experiment all the more interesting.

Certainly Anslinger, who was a great proponent of prohib. went on afterwards to demonize cannabis for another 30 years and half a dozen Presidents! He was likely one of the few humans who ever saw one of his Reefer Madness movies and thought it was real! :lol:

DavidE - 3-28-2012 at 06:06 PM

Jesus! I'm getting dizzy just following all those Faberge, Easter Egg quote boxes...

Meanwhile much of mainland Mexico is a freakin' shooting gallery. I want ALL the gringo buyers of Mexican marijuana to have to come right to the horse's mouth to get their pot: The mountains east of Culiacan, Sinaloa or the intersection of the states of Guerero, Michoacan, and Mexico. Bring lots of cash, and maybe an M-79 for protection.

rob - 3-28-2012 at 07:16 PM

Just a brief return to the thread . . . a few weeks back when those Zeta prisoners walked out of jail, there was a big stir of activity here in the middle of nowhere on the Pacific coast west of La Paz.

One Saturday afternoon we woke up from a well-earned siesta when the dogs went ballistic, and found 5 or 6 large, sweating, black and bulletproof vest-clad police special forces climbing the hill up to our house. Not having seen a policeman here in 10 years, we welcomed them cordially, ready to help.

They were not friendly, and they wanted to search our house. I refused - later I wondered if that was wise - but they accepted this (perhaps 3 rottweilers trying to greet them from behind the front door was intimidating). I watched one of them enter our office down the hill without permission and later found papers and passports strewn on the floor. They left.

I then found that to enter the ranch, rather than climb over or through the cattle fence, they had simply cut it.

In Conquista, the local ejido, this goon squad left behind infuriated citizens with possessions strewn on floors, after illegal (or a least warrantless) searches and kicked-in doors.

And the final insult was that the house of the local Sinaloa connection was left completely untouched and unvisited. Go figure.

Never seen any fed group make so many enemies so quickly.

nothing mar28th

bajadave1 - 3-29-2012 at 08:13 AM

i went from LB to San Jose and back yesterday some feds on the side of the road, but NO checks or stops.

DavidE - 3-29-2012 at 08:24 AM

Rob, thst's why a lot of folks want only the ejercito o marinas to do the job. The SSP still isn't professional.

Osprey - 3-29-2012 at 08:26 AM

Looks like the core of Latina's post about the shooting, the arrests, brought back the usual tranquility to our southern highways and byways at least for now -- might pick up again just before the G 20.

Drug movement, cartels, resistance has been dynamic -- just this last summer there were signs of large group meetings of aledged cartel members/families choosing to recreate here because the south was a known "Safe Zone", agreed to by competitors.

greengoes - 3-29-2012 at 08:38 AM

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Originally posted by LaPazGringo

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Originally posted by lenchoWhat happened to all the U.S. gangsters after the repeal of Prohibition?

Some ended up dead, others in Alcatraz. To throw our hands up and say that these traficantes have won and we're all future victims is absurd.

I read somewhere they went into gambling, extortion, drugs, prostitution etc.

After the Feds clamped down on those activities they rolled the profits over to legitimite business and politcs.

The land of opportunity.

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