BajaNomad

Owe the IRS $50K? Your passport may be suspended.

Woooosh - 4-4-2012 at 06:23 PM

"Only a notice of lien or levy has to be filed by the IRS..."

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/04/04/owe-the-irs-bill-w...

Owe The IRS? Bill Would Suspend Passport Rights For Delinquent Taxpayers

LOS ANGELES (CBS) — A bill authored by a Southland lawmaker that could potentially allow the federal government to prevent any Americans who owe back taxes from traveling outside the U.S. is one step closer to becoming law.

Senate Bill 1813 was introduced back in November by Senator Barbara Boxer (D-Los Angeles) to “reauthorize Federal-aid highway and highway safety construction programs, and for other purposes” . After clearing the Senate on a 74 – 22 vote on March 14, SB 1813 is now headed for a vote in the House of Representatives, where it’s expected to encounter stiffer opposition among the GOP majority. In addition to authorizing appropriations for federal transportation and infrastructure programs, the “Moving Ahead for Progress in the 21st Century Act” or “MAP-21″ includes a provision that would allow for the “revocation or denial” of a passport for anyone with “certain unpaid taxes” or “tax delinquencies”.

Section 40304 of the legislation states that any individual who owes more than $50,000 to the Internal Revenue Service may be subject to “action with respect to denial, revocation, or limitation of a passport”. The bill does allow for exceptions in the event of emergency or humanitarian situations or limited return travel to the U.S., or in cases when any tax debt is currently being repaid in a “timely manner” or when collection efforts have been suspended.

However, there does not appear to be any specific language requiring a taxpayer to be charged with tax evasion or any other crime in order to have their passport revoked or limited — only that a notice of lien or levy has been filed by the IRS. Boxer vowed last week to push House Republicans to pass the bipartisan transportation bill that would keep the Highway Trust Fund from going bankrupt.

“Thousands of businesses are at stake, and eventually we are talking about nearly three million jobs at stake,” she said in a statement. “There are many people on both sides of the aisle in the Senate who want to get our bill, MAP-21, passed into law, and I am going to do everything I can to keep the pressure on the Republican House to do just that.”

chuckie - 4-4-2012 at 06:26 PM

Boxer is, and has been, and always will be, NUTS...

woody with a view - 4-4-2012 at 06:38 PM

no sh!t.

“Thousands of businesses are at stake, and eventually we are talking about nearly three million jobs at stake,” she said in a statement.

what does this mean? it's amazing how they can twist a story to mean something completely 180 degrees away from the entire story. just like passing a health care bill when Pelosi said they would read it AFTER it passed???? certifiably loco!

rts551 - 4-4-2012 at 06:39 PM

All BS since you do not need a passport to travel outside the US by ground.

willardguy - 4-4-2012 at 06:42 PM

huh?:O

woody with a view - 4-4-2012 at 06:44 PM

agreed, but how does owing more than 50k threaten 1000's of businesses?

rts551 - 4-4-2012 at 06:45 PM

You do not need a passport to travel by ground. Found this when I passed North last month and had forgotten my passport. Just enough ID to establish citizenship.

BajaBlanca - 4-4-2012 at 07:38 PM

I always alleged that this was the case Ralph and I am glad you put it to the test ... it just makes sense that if you are American and have docs like a birth certificate to prove it, you should be able to go "home" ....at least it makes sense to me....

rts551 - 4-4-2012 at 07:49 PM

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Originally posted by BajaBlanca
I always alleged that this was the case Ralph and I am glad you put it to the test ... it just makes sense that if you are American and have docs like a birth certificate to prove it, you should be able to go "home" ....at least it makes sense to me....


I had no chuice other than to go all the way back home and get it. AZ drivers license and and one other piece of ID is all.

slimshady - 4-4-2012 at 09:25 PM

The best AIPAC can buy has done nothing to benefit us Californians who still have jobs and pay taxes.

DaliDali - 4-5-2012 at 04:48 AM

Barbara Boxer is a disgrace to CA.
She is a highly partisan loon who resides on the far left of left.

She should, no doubt be working on crafting a budget (something the liberals have yet to do for over a 1000 days and if your a CA voter, you should be asking her why) rather than obfuscation of passport uses.

Thank you.....that is my political rant for this year.

Hook - 4-5-2012 at 07:20 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DaliDali
Barbara Boxer is a disgrace to CA.
She is a highly partisan loon who resides on the far left of left.

She should, no doubt be working on crafting a budget (something the liberals have yet to do for over a 1000 days and if your a CA voter, you should be asking her why) rather than obfuscation of passport uses.

Thank you.....that is my political rant for this year.


What does Barbara Boxer have to do with the budget of the state of California?

Answer: NADA

Dave - 4-5-2012 at 09:47 AM

Why would anyone except a deadbeat oppose this law? ;D

gallesram - 4-5-2012 at 10:03 AM

Especially when there's an exception for repayment arrangements which are current? Seems like they're going after deadbeats who ignore the IRS, which is a really stupid thing to do in the first place.

For the record, I despise Boxer but don't see this law as being particularly unfair. That said, I also don't see how this somehow rectifies a problem facing thousands of businesses.

Woooosh - 4-5-2012 at 10:03 AM

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Originally posted by Dave
Why would anyone except a deadbeat oppose this law? ;D

Because the IRS doesn't need to prove it's case fully before it could suspend your passport. I think they should get to prove they don't owe the IRS any money before they are punished. I've gotten an IRS tax bill for $100K plus before. It tends to ruin your day.

1bobo - 4-5-2012 at 10:14 AM

Just a foot in the door. Enforcement will soon require IRS clearance before using your passport.

The whole point of the police state is control.

Cypress - 4-5-2012 at 10:16 AM

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Originally posted by 1bobo
Just a foot in the door. Enforcement will soon require IRS clearance before using your passport.
The whole point of the police state is control.

Yep!!!

sad times

captkw - 4-5-2012 at 10:25 AM

This used to be a FREE GREAT USA,,but that's dissapairing fast..k&T

sancho - 4-5-2012 at 11:19 AM

Could it have a little concern of ' flight risk' to
aviod paying Fed Taxes? Probably not, just
a nudge to get deliquient payers to pay.
To return to the US,
you do NOT need a Passport. Birth cert, DL,
nor any other form of Official ID, that is clearly
stated in the US Customs Bldg, at least at
the San Ysidro ped crossing line

David K - 4-5-2012 at 11:32 AM

They (The Feds) cannot prevent an American from returning to HIS/HER own country... The worst they can do is delay your return by sending you to secondary to varify your claim to be American... and of course at that point, you are already inside the USA... Some people are the victims of crime and have had their ID stolen... Some just forgot, as their is no exit visa (yet) require to leave the USA... but sounds like Boxer and her fellow fascists in power are trying very hard to further inprison us. It wasn't enough to ruin our economy so we cannot afford to leave.:wow:

DaliDali - 4-5-2012 at 01:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hook
Quote:
Originally posted by DaliDali
Barbara Boxer is a disgrace to CA.
She is a highly partisan loon who resides on the far left of left.

She should, no doubt be working on crafting a budget (something the liberals have yet to do for over a 1000 days and if your a CA voter, you should be asking her why) rather than obfuscation of passport uses.

Thank you.....that is my political rant for this year.


What does Barbara Boxer have to do with the budget of the state of California?



Answer: NADA


Who ever said she did?....you read something into this that was not there.

mtgoat666 - 4-5-2012 at 02:03 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Some just forgot, as their is no exit visa (yet) require to leave the USA... but sounds like Boxer and her fellow fascists in power are trying very hard to further inprison us. It wasn't enough to ruin our economy so we cannot afford to leave.:wow:


crikey! what is wrong with collecting taxes owed? DK, you are suggesting that government continue to provide government services to tax deadbeats? i applaud the govt in stepping up tax collection efforts.

Hook - 4-5-2012 at 03:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DaliDali
Quote:
Originally posted by Hook
Quote:
Originally posted by DaliDali
Barbara Boxer is a disgrace to CA.
She is a highly partisan loon who resides on the far left of left.

She should, no doubt be working on crafting a budget (something the liberals have yet to do for over a 1000 days and if your a CA voter, you should be asking her why) rather than obfuscation of passport uses.

Thank you.....that is my political rant for this year.


What does Barbara Boxer have to do with the budget of the state of California?



Answer: NADA


Who ever said she did?....you read something into this that was not there.


OK, what liberals are you talking about that havent crafted a budget in over 1000 days and that CA voters would be involved in? That's what YOU said.

[Edited on 4-5-2012 by Hook]

David K - 4-5-2012 at 03:20 PM

You are correct, sir!

Bajahowodd - 4-5-2012 at 03:23 PM

So Boxer is a fascist? Or is she a real left wing liberal? She cannot be both.

Personally, I see this as an attempt to prevent scofflaws from fleeing the country without paying what they legally owe.

The no passport required to flee the US is a bogus argument simply because fleeing to Mexico or Canada does not get you to an extradition-free country.

As for the Senate and budgets and Obama, let's focus on a couple of hard facts. Number one, although the Dems have a plurality in the Senate, it is not enough to prevent filibuster. And that is the treat the Repubs have made at every turn. Add to that the fact that Mitch McConnell went on record after the Obama election saying that the number one priority of his party was to ensure that Obama was not reelected. McConnell and Boehner have worked long and hard at that; the welfare of the nation be damned.

Hook - 4-5-2012 at 03:31 PM

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Originally posted by David K
The democrat senate has not passed ONE budget since Obama took office... WE need some major change there as well as the president. Some people who put America first and us back to work.


I dont understand how a budget can get passed without the Senate's approval. I thought that's what they work out in conference every year.

David K - 4-5-2012 at 03:31 PM

A fascist in that she believes in government being all 'democratic and free' when it isn't. A free and prosperous American population is not what they want... A poor and needy population that will re-elect them for their special programs and food stamps and handouts is what they really want (at least that is what they are proving now... more Americans on food stamps than ever... ).

Give a hungry man a fish and make him come back to you, or teach a man to fish and he never again needs you.

Democrats measure compassion by how many people are on government support.

Republicans measure compassion by how many people no longer need support.

[Edited on 4-5-2012 by David K]

Hook - 4-5-2012 at 05:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Give a hungry man a fish and make him come back to you, or teach a man to fish and he never again needs you.

Democrats measure compassion by how many people are on government support.

Republicans measure compassion by how many people no longer need support.

[Edited on 4-5-2012 by David K]


Thanks for that. I never realize how truly simple-minded you really are, until this.

I had suspicions, mind you..............:smug:

You clearly have NO IDEA what a fascist is, either.



[Edited on 4-6-2012 by Hook]

Cypress - 4-5-2012 at 05:32 PM

Why is it that liberals want more govt., more rules, more regulations, more laws, more taxes, more intrusions into peoples everyday affairs? There's got to be some psychological reason. Maybe their parents didn't give them enough attention? Maybe they see the govt. as their surrogate parents?

DaliDali - 4-5-2012 at 06:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hook
Quote:
Originally posted by DaliDali
Quote:
Originally posted by Hook
Quote:
Originally posted by DaliDali
Barbara Boxer is a disgrace to CA.
She is a highly partisan loon who resides on the far left of left.

She should, no doubt be working on crafting a budget (something the liberals have yet to do for over a 1000 days and if your a CA voter, you should be asking her why) rather than obfuscation of passport uses.

Thank you.....that is my political rant for this year.


What does Barbara Boxer have to do with the budget of the state of California?



Answer: NADA


Who ever said she did?....you read something into this that was not there.


OK, what liberals are you talking about that havent crafted a budget in over 1000 days and that CA voters would be involved in? That's what YOU said.

[Edited on 4-5-2012 by Hook]


No, your wrong again.

I NEVER said Boxer crafted a CA budget.
Go back and re-read REAL slow please.

Those liberals....the ones that won't bring forward a Democratic budget to then
sit down as adults and work out with the Republican version.
Two years in a row the Republican Congress had put forth a budget.
Like it or not, the Senate can at least bring forward one of their own to hash out differences.....they won't and you should be asking your Senator why.

Rep Paul Ryan has cajones......Babs Boxer only wishes she had a pair.

DaliDali - 4-5-2012 at 07:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
So Boxer is a fascist? Or is she a real left wing liberal? She cannot be both.

Personally, I see this as an attempt to prevent scofflaws from fleeing the country without paying what they legally owe.

The no passport required to flee the US is a bogus argument simply because fleeing to Mexico or Canada does not get you to an extradition-free country.

As for the Senate and budgets and Obama, let's focus on a couple of hard facts. Number one, although the Dems have a plurality in the Senate, it is not enough to prevent filibuster. And that is the treat the Repubs have made at every turn. Add to that the fact that Mitch McConnell went on record after the Obama election saying that the number one priority of his party was to ensure that Obama was not reelected. McConnell and Boehner have worked long and hard at that; the welfare of the nation be damned.


That is not the reason.
Call your Democratic senator and ask them why they won't bring forward a budget.
Harry Reid is protecting some of his flock from the scorn of their constituents if they attempt to pass a budget that is not serious and continues huge deficits.

That is why the budget Obama put forward, got dumped on arrival with ZERO democratic votes. No one wanted to touch it for fear of voter backlash.

Paul Ryan puts forth a budget and is hung from the yardarm for being serious about the spending.
It's unfortunate the liberal Senate is not.

David K - 4-5-2012 at 07:38 PM

You know Hook... I have never called you simple or any names... too sad that politics cannot be discussed without the one side resorting to personal insults.

Bajaboy - 4-5-2012 at 07:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DaliDali
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
So Boxer is a fascist? Or is she a real left wing liberal? She cannot be both.

Personally, I see this as an attempt to prevent scofflaws from fleeing the country without paying what they legally owe.

The no passport required to flee the US is a bogus argument simply because fleeing to Mexico or Canada does not get you to an extradition-free country.

As for the Senate and budgets and Obama, let's focus on a couple of hard facts. Number one, although the Dems have a plurality in the Senate, it is not enough to prevent filibuster. And that is the treat the Repubs have made at every turn. Add to that the fact that Mitch McConnell went on record after the Obama election saying that the number one priority of his party was to ensure that Obama was not reelected. McConnell and Boehner have worked long and hard at that; the welfare of the nation be damned.


That is not the reason.
Call your Democratic senator and ask them why they won't bring forward a budget.
Harry Reid is protecting some of his flock from the scorn of their constituents if they attempt to pass a budget that is not serious and continues huge deficits.

That is why the budget Obama put forward, got dumped on arrival with ZERO democratic votes. No one wanted to touch it for fear of voter backlash.

Paul Ryan puts forth a budget and is hung from the yardarm for being serious about the spending.
It's unfortunate the liberal Senate is not.


Please explain where the revenue will come from to cover more tax cuts for the rich? How does this cut the deficit? It doesn't...just more right ring rhetoric to appease the simpletons and reward the one percent.

woody with a view - 4-5-2012 at 08:05 PM

cmon Zach. didn't the prez just extend the Bush tax cuts? i'm a simple guy, i don't need much to make me smile, but you cut the deficit by making people get off ObamaBucks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5tqH7UrzOw

we both know that the govt is taking in more folks from the lowest common denominator and trying to make them angry against the upper middle class. rhetoric is a biatch. your guy doesn't have a clear thought without his writers putting it on a teleprompter. and then he still stumbles, occassionaly.

that said, where has the civility gone? i grew up in a country that had it's problems but somehow, everyone got along.....

to make my point (i'm not taking sides here, but humor me!) what about the media coverage of the Travon Martin case? the kid was probably murdered. you don't know any facts. i have none, either. but 12 hours after the shooter was interviewed NBC put out a 911 recording where they EDITED the tape to insert a racial angle to the whole story. the guy is innocent until he is tried in front of a jury.

idon't have any answers that will solve our nations problems, but if they keep letting in people from far away villages, well, this nation is going to revert to the sum of its whole, no?

BTW, i wish we were having this discussion over 4 beers and a campfire!

David K - 4-5-2012 at 08:07 PM

Wow Woody, that's a great idea!

Bajaboy - 4-5-2012 at 08:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by woody with a view
cmon Zach. didn't the prez just extend the Bush tax cuts? i'm a simple guy, i don't need much to make me smile, but you cut the deficit by making people get off ObamaBucks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5tqH7UrzOw

we both know that the govt is taking in more folks from the lowest common denominator and trying to make them angry against the upper middle class. rhetoric is a biatch. your guy doesn't have a clear thought without his writers putting it on a teleprompter. and then he still stumbles, occassionaly.

that said, where has the civility gone? i grew up in a country that had it's problems but somehow, everyone got along.....

to make my point (i'm not taking sides here, but humor me!) what about the media coverage of the Travon Martin case? the kid was probably murdered. you don't know any facts. i have none, either. but 12 hours after the shooter was interviewed NBC put out a 911 recording where they EDITED the tape to insert a racial angle to the whole story. the guy is innocent until he is tried in front of a jury.

idon't have any answers that will solve our nations problems, but if they keep letting in people from far away villages, well, this nation is going to revert to the sum of its whole, no?

BTW, i wish we were having this discussion over 4 beers and a campfire!


Woody, first off, picked up a variety pack (8) of Ballast Point Bombers today at Costco (Mission Valley) for only $28. There was also Stone there for $31....I love living in Beer City!

Okay, does this make any sense....continue to cut taxes which equates to more education cuts which equates to a pink slip for 10% of San Diego teachers who will now go on unemployment....hmmm....that makes a whole lot of sense....let's see I was paying taxes and now I am kicking back on my patio in Baja drinking Ballast Point Bombers at the expense of those people with jobs....wait a minute....I'm liking this idea more and more....we need to cut taxes!!!!!

And wtf does Trayon have to do with anything unless you want to talk about stupid gun laws......:?:

Here is a breakdown of the Ryan budget...remember the compassionate conservatives....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/paul-rya...

David K - 4-5-2012 at 08:29 PM

Again Zac, cutting taxes on business INCREASES income to the treasury!!!

Lower taxes leads to more hiring which leads to more people paying tax.

What gets more, 1 business paying $5,000 or 10 employees paying $1000 ???

There are more employees than businesses, always. Those 10 new employees are also out buying things with the money the business pays them (which comes from selling products or services people want or need)... It is win-win for the people, the business, and the government!

[Edited on 4-6-2012 by David K]

Santiago - 4-5-2012 at 08:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hook
Quote:
Originally posted by DaliDali
Barbara Boxer is a disgrace to CA.
She is a highly partisan loon who resides on the far left of left.

She should, no doubt be working on crafting a budget (something the liberals have yet to do for over a 1000 days and if your a CA voter, you should be asking her why) rather than obfuscation of passport uses.

Thank you.....that is my political rant for this year.


What does Barbara Boxer have to do with the budget of the state of California?

Answer: NADA


Thank you. Geeze. If you don't like BB I'm sure there are many things to point to that she is responsible for to rant about. Stick with those.

Bajaboy - 4-5-2012 at 08:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Again Zac, cutting taxes on business INCREASES income to the treasury!!!

Lower taxes leads to more hiring which leads to more people paying tax.

What gets more, 1 business paying $5,000 or 10 employees paying $1000 ???

There are more employees than businesses, always. Those 10 new employees are also out buying things with the money the business pays them (which comes from selling products or services people want ot need)... It is win-win for the people, the business, and the government!


DK-I'm calling BS on your opinion. Trickle down only works if you want to pee on your leg....feel free to site a legitimate study to prove your point. Otherwise, keep drinking the Fox flavored Kool-Aid.

woody with a view - 4-5-2012 at 08:53 PM

i was linking the Travon case to my theory of everyone getting along, without THE MAJOR NETWORK NEWS OUTRIGHT LYING!!!!! you know, control the message and you control the masses? you didn't aknowledge (sp?) Obama extending the Bush tax cuts, por k no? it your guy trying to tell me that $40/week is going to make me feel better. but it is still the Bush tax cut.

i don't need to get my taxes cut. i grew up on the govt teet. moms was on welfare and she went to nursing school, didn't spend enough time with me but died from diabetes complications at 45 years old. that was 21 years ago.

not that anything above means nothing to anyone else, but i learned a long time ago tha unemployment only pays 1/3 of my bills. granted, i have milked it a few times in my life-but i was paying into it. i have a buddy who is going on 40 weeks of unemployment and 2 others who maxed out at a year. what happened to "shovel ready?"

why does the govt ALWAYS gravitate to firefighter, police and teachers going to be the first to be cut? because they are the most bloated segments? i don't know, but i remember this crap since i was a kid. i have been in construction all my life, with a half decade as an EMT/FF. i never hear ANYONE b!tching about all of the construction jobs that DO NOT EXIST today. why is that? because San Diego has next to zero union construction jobs versus the public servant unions?

BTW, i love me a cold Yellowtail Pale Ale. it's my favorite brew......

Bajaboy - 4-5-2012 at 09:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by woody with a view
i was linking the Travon case to my theory of everyone getting along, without THE MAJOR NETWORK NEWS OUTRIGHT LYING!!!!! you know, control the message and you control the masses? you didn't aknowledge (sp?) Obama extending the Bush tax cuts, por k no? it your guy trying to tell me that $40/week is going to make me feel better. but it is still the Bush tax cut.

i don't need to get my taxes cut. i grew up on the govt teet. moms was on welfare and she went to nursing school, didn't spend enough time with me but died from diabetes complications at 45 years old. that was 21 years ago.

not that anything above means nothing to anyone else, but i learned a long time ago tha unemployment only pays 1/3 of my bills. granted, i have milked it a few times in my life-but i was paying into it. i have a buddy who is going on 40 weeks of unemployment and 2 others who maxed out at a year. what happened to "shovel ready?"

why does the govt ALWAYS gravitate to firefighter, police and teachers going to be the first to be cut? because they are the most bloated segments? i don't know, but i remember this crap since i was a kid. i have been in construction all my life, with a half decade as an EMT/FF. i never hear ANYONE b!tching about all of the construction jobs that DO NOT EXIST today. why is that? because San Diego has next to zero union construction jobs versus the public servant unions?

BTW, i love me a cold Yellowtail Pale Ale. it's my favorite brew......


I don't watch, listen, or follow one network. I try to think for myself and I doubt you will ever hear me claim a party or a label although my voter reg card is Democrat.

As for extending the tax cuts, I was peeed off...still am....I think it was Obama's only chance for some sort of compromise. Feel free to point out any compromise from the Republicans. I mean Boner is a joke. If tax cut were the answer then where are the jobs? How is it that the top 1% continue to rake in the profits yet they are not hiring? I don't get how so many continue to support this?

As for education funding...just curious how many students were in your classes as a kid? I'm guessing 25 max....I'm lucky to have classes between 35-40 students per class. As for the construction jobs, I had plenty of remodel work planned...until I got the pink slip....

Woody, I get the feeling you and I are more alike than different...we both are hard-working, pay our bills, and just want to get along with others....I firmly believe things went way south when all these cable tv shows started airing from both the left and right....they are falsely empowering the Simpletons with talking points. We need to come back to the table as a country and fix problems and not worry about the next election.

[Edited on 4-6-2012 by Bajaboy]

rts551 - 4-5-2012 at 09:12 PM

David, enough of the economy this and the economy that. Why don't you explain to everyone the real reason you don't have a job. What happened to the last one you had?

woody with a view - 4-5-2012 at 09:19 PM

i agree Bud. i grew up a democrat for sure, but in the past 10 years or so they have lost their minds..... i voted for Slick Willie. i actually went to Sacred Heart Academy in OB and Collier/Pt Loma HS. i remember 32 +/-. i got ZERO from school other than c's and d's. it took me a long time to balance surfing/f'ing up/college to get to where i'm STILL payiing off a student loan with ZERO chance of ever using my computer network degree. IBM only wanted to pay me $8/hr to start! F-U!!! I went back to swinging a hammer.....

behind the screen, i know you're one of the good guys, Zac. i live paycheck to paycheck just like the rest of us. i keep telling Bia that we better just enjoy it today because we'll regret it later if we didn't.

i hope junior has it better than we do!

[Edited on 4-6-2012 by woody with a view]

David K - 4-5-2012 at 09:30 PM

Is there a false reason... what do you mean by 'real' reason?

You know Ralph, my life is pretty open... you know far more about me than I do you... You have ignored all my attempts at friendship here on Nomad and are intent on smearing me for Lord knows what reason...

In all openess (not that you have any right to know)...
I own my own business, and have the past 15 years, as well for some years earlier in my life... and have worked for irrigation companies between those times when they have asked me to help them improve their business.

I was invited by a company to work for them, but wasn't told what... just irrigation related... It turned out it was as a counter salesman, what I did for many years (but 20+ years ago)... After becoming injured in my leg, I couldn't stand for long periods and they didn't have any modified duties they could offer. So, it ended...

The next day, I got a call from a past customer who needed some new sprinklers installed, and I made in one day what took about 2 weeks at that job to make... So, it seems my path is to be my own boss at least for irrigation. I am open to other opportunities, should they arrive.

[Edited on 4-6-2012 by David K]

woody with a view - 4-5-2012 at 09:34 PM

"As for extending the tax cuts, I was peeed off...still am....I think it was Obama's only chance for some sort of compromise. Feel free to point out any compromise from the Republicans. I mean Boner is a joke. If tax cut were the answer then where are the jobs? How is it that the top 1% continue to rake in the profits yet they are not hiring? I don't get how so many continue to support this?"

i dunno? didn't the jobs number come out 200k+ today? where is the fedral budget? spendspendspend seems to be the mantra today. i try to savesavesave but inflation is making my $ worthless, not worth less. remember $150/barrel oil? why is it now ONLY $103/barrel but gas is at an all time high? it isn't just Exxon. it is your/my govt F'ing us!

by living in the US you are the 1%.......:smug: get used to it!

rts551 - 4-5-2012 at 09:44 PM

David, Not smearing you. Just don't like it when you blame the government for your problems. In reality you demanded breaks every hour and a chair to sit at while at the counter and well...the business ownership...... I think it would be great if you could make a go of it with your business, but you continually blame its lack of success on government regulation and taxation etc.

David. take control of your life. Don't blame others. you will be happier and I won't have anything but good things to say about you. Just like my good bud FishinRich.

[Edited on 4-6-2012 by rts551]

Bajaboy - 4-5-2012 at 09:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by woody with a view
"As for extending the tax cuts, I was peeed off...still am....I think it was Obama's only chance for some sort of compromise. Feel free to point out any compromise from the Republicans. I mean Boner is a joke. If tax cut were the answer then where are the jobs? How is it that the top 1% continue to rake in the profits yet they are not hiring? I don't get how so many continue to support this?"

i dunno? didn't the jobs number come out 200k+ today? where is the fedral budget? spendspendspend seems to be the mantra today. i try to savesavesave but inflation is making my $ worthless, not worth less. remember $150/barrel oil? why is it now ONLY $103/barrel but gas is at an all time high? it isn't just Exxon. it is your/my govt F'ing us!

by living in the US you are the 1%.......:smug: get used to it!


I doubt the Simpletons would ever read the following but I'm certain you will: http://www.skymachines.com/US-National-Debt-Per-Capita-Perce...

Let's see, Clinton and Obama had the smallest increase in National Debt during their respective terms.....:light:

woody with a view - 4-5-2012 at 10:02 PM

i gotta get to bed. same Bat time? same Bat station?;)

Bajaboy - 4-5-2012 at 10:07 PM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
i gotta get to bed. same Bat time? same Bat station?;)


Me too but I've got more pressing debates like who is going to win the NL West....Go Doyers:!:

DaliDali - 4-6-2012 at 05:27 AM

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Originally posted by Bajaboy
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Originally posted by DaliDali
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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
So Boxer is a fascist? Or is she a real left wing liberal? She cannot be both.

Personally, I see this as an attempt to prevent scofflaws from fleeing the country without paying what they legally owe.

The no passport required to flee the US is a bogus argument simply because fleeing to Mexico or Canada does not get you to an extradition-free country.

As for the Senate and budgets and Obama, let's focus on a couple of hard facts. Number one, although the Dems have a plurality in the Senate, it is not enough to prevent filibuster. And that is the treat the Repubs have made at every turn. Add to that the fact that Mitch McConnell went on record after the Obama election saying that the number one priority of his party was to ensure that Obama was not reelected. McConnell and Boehner have worked long and hard at that; the welfare of the nation be damned.


That is not the reason.
Call your Democratic senator and ask them why they won't bring forward a budget.
Harry Reid is protecting some of his flock from the scorn of their constituents if they attempt to pass a budget that is not serious and continues huge deficits.

That is why the budget Obama put forward, got dumped on arrival with ZERO democratic votes. No one wanted to touch it for fear of voter backlash.

Paul Ryan puts forth a budget and is hung from the yardarm for being serious about the spending.
It's unfortunate the liberal Senate is not.


Please explain where the revenue will come from to cover more tax cuts for the rich? How does this cut the deficit? It doesn't...just more right ring rhetoric to appease the simpletons and reward the one percent.


Less taxes and less regulations would lead to a more robust economic growth, which in turn would lead to a growing revenue stream.

A growing revenue stream with LEVEL or reduced spending, would end the cycle of year to year deficits.

No amount of taxation, on one section of taxpayers alone, will do anything to bring the cycle of "hope and change" deficit spending under control.

When you have to resort to personal insults like the Hook did, you have lost all your credibility to have an adult conversation.

hope and change

captkw - 4-6-2012 at 07:23 AM

have not seen any for the better !!!!

David K - 4-6-2012 at 10:32 AM

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Originally posted by rts551
David, Not smearing you. Just don't like it when you blame the government for your problems. In reality you demanded breaks every hour and a chair to sit at while at the counter and well...the business ownership...... I think it would be great if you could make a go of it with your business, but you continually blame its lack of success on government regulation and taxation etc.

David. take control of your life. Don't blame others. you will be happier and I won't have anything but good things to say about you. Just like my good bud FishinRich.

[Edited on 4-6-2012 by rts551]


Huh? I demanding nothing... why do you feel the need to make up stuff about me? More unkindness when I was leveling with you.

They were not wishing to provided modified work ordered by the doctor so my injury could heal. The modified order was to allow sitting between performing duties... I had nerve damage and my leg was going numb, in pain, and itching. I didn't ask for anything... they decided not to keep me. I tried to deal with it on my own, and took more pain meds those days than in my entire life. I liked the staff where I was and I even had a customer I helped do a design for stop by to tell me his drip system worked great, to say thanks, and for no other reason.

I have 2 appointments today, my phone is ringing again, so sadly, less time on Baja Nomad (lol)...

Cypress - 4-6-2012 at 10:41 AM

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Originally posted by rts551
David, Not smearing you. Just don't like it when you blame the government regulation and taxation etc.
Don't blame others. Just like my good bud FishinRich.
[Edited on 4-6-2012 by rts551]
And your good bud FishinRich did ... What???

rts551 - 4-6-2012 at 10:44 AM

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Originally posted by Cypress
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Originally posted by rts551
David, Not smearing you. Just don't like it when you blame the government regulation and taxation etc.
Don't blame others. Just like my good bud FishinRich.
[Edited on 4-6-2012 by rts551]
And your good bud FishinRich did ... What???


You must be republican Cypress.pretty good with paraphrasing!:lol::lol:

Cypress - 4-6-2012 at 11:01 AM

rts551, A republican? Yep! Do I have any choice?:biggrin:

rts551 - 4-6-2012 at 11:28 AM

Independent. Cypress. Independent

Cypress - 4-6-2012 at 11:48 AM

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Originally posted by rts551
Independent. Cypress. Independent

Not a chance. Ross Peroit took us down that road a few years back and we got Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton's administration wasn't anything to be proud of, but you've got to admit, it's a quantum loop above what we've got now. :biggrin:

rts551 - 4-6-2012 at 12:14 PM

And your willing to bet on Rumney I'll bet. whew

woody with a view - 4-6-2012 at 12:24 PM

funny thing is, is they're all the same. they talk a good story to the people and then bend over for the lobbyists. it doesn't seem to matter who gets in. Obama had the country transfixed and has done very little compared to what his campaign speeches said then.....:barf:

mtgoat666 - 4-6-2012 at 12:33 PM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
funny thing is, is they're all the same. they talk a good story to the people and then bend over for the lobbyists. it doesn't seem to matter who gets in. Obama had the country transfixed and has done very little compared to what his campaign speeches said then.....:barf:


obama made great strides in fixing health care. but sad that GOP wants to go back to broken system. GOP wants health care to be affordable only to people enrolled in large corporate plans, wants small biz and independants to be denied coverage or offered coverage only at ridiculously inflated rates. GOP is stuck on stupid when they focus on mandate that people should carry insurance.

obama did masterful job of keeping bush housing implosion at recession-level instead of depression-level. stimulus worked, despite GOP's stupid rhetoric about debt. would you rather have debt or total economic melt down??????????

repeal of dont ask dont tell was nice touch.

avoidance of white trash palin family in white house was perhaps best benefit of obama admin.

vgabndo - 4-6-2012 at 01:08 PM

There is a lot of truth there Mr. Goat.

I like this graphic. http://costoftaxcuts.com/

And, as pointed out earlier, the last GOP President to leave office without raising the federal deficit as a % of the GDP was FREEKING Nixon. Every Dem. until Obama has been able to bring it down a little. Trying to pay for two GOP wars which the Republicans conveniently forgot to count as part of their budgets has been quite a challenge. If the conservatives had PAID for the invasion of Iraq instead of borrowing the money from the Communist Chinese, President Obama's accomplishments could look much better.

I have to admit that I get a little peeie when these days it seems damned hard to find ANYONE who will ADMIT they voted for GW Bush. Who do they think did this Patriot Act stuff? The Christian Dominionist voting machines weren't able to do THAT much in 2000. And, have you noticed that three of the main folks involved in throwing the 2000 election have died young in strange accidents? And the guy who had the voting machine with the paper trail, died 48 hours after he announced it was tested and ready!

When we finally learn the truth; Well, some of us already assumed.:fire:

Bajaboy - 4-6-2012 at 01:12 PM

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Originally posted by DaliDali
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Originally posted by Bajaboy
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Originally posted by DaliDali
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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
So Boxer is a fascist? Or is she a real left wing liberal? She cannot be both.

Personally, I see this as an attempt to prevent scofflaws from fleeing the country without paying what they legally owe.

The no passport required to flee the US is a bogus argument simply because fleeing to Mexico or Canada does not get you to an extradition-free country.

As for the Senate and budgets and Obama, let's focus on a couple of hard facts. Number one, although the Dems have a plurality in the Senate, it is not enough to prevent filibuster. And that is the treat the Repubs have made at every turn. Add to that the fact that Mitch McConnell went on record after the Obama election saying that the number one priority of his party was to ensure that Obama was not reelected. McConnell and Boehner have worked long and hard at that; the welfare of the nation be damned.


That is not the reason.
Call your Democratic senator and ask them why they won't bring forward a budget.
Harry Reid is protecting some of his flock from the scorn of their constituents if they attempt to pass a budget that is not serious and continues huge deficits.

That is why the budget Obama put forward, got dumped on arrival with ZERO democratic votes. No one wanted to touch it for fear of voter backlash.

Paul Ryan puts forth a budget and is hung from the yardarm for being serious about the spending.
It's unfortunate the liberal Senate is not.


Please explain where the revenue will come from to cover more tax cuts for the rich? How does this cut the deficit? It doesn't...just more right ring rhetoric to appease the simpletons and reward the one percent.


Less taxes and less regulations would lead to a more robust economic growth, which in turn would lead to a growing revenue stream.

A growing revenue stream with LEVEL or reduced spending, would end the cycle of year to year deficits.

No amount of taxation, on one section of taxpayers alone, will do anything to bring the cycle of "hope and change" deficit spending under control.

When you have to resort to personal insults like the Hook did, you have lost all your credibility to have an adult conversation.


What should the tax rates be? How many jobs will be created? What specific regulations will create more jobs? Didn't Bush and the Republican say exactly the same thing....and what did we get....well I suppose it all depends on your income bracket.

How about if we go back to the rates during Reagan? Sorry if you took offense to my remarks but I stand them.....

Bajaboy - 4-6-2012 at 01:42 PM

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Originally posted by David K
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Originally posted by DaliDali
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Originally posted by Bajaboy
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Originally posted by DaliDali
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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
So Boxer is a fascist? Or is she a real left wing liberal? She cannot be both.

Personally, I see this as an attempt to prevent scofflaws from fleeing the country without paying what they legally owe.

The no passport required to flee the US is a bogus argument simply because fleeing to Mexico or Canada does not get you to an extradition-free country.

As for the Senate and budgets and Obama, let's focus on a couple of hard facts. Number one, although the Dems have a plurality in the Senate, it is not enough to prevent filibuster. And that is the treat the Repubs have made at every turn. Add to that the fact that Mitch McConnell went on record after the Obama election saying that the number one priority of his party was to ensure that Obama was not reelected. McConnell and Boehner have worked long and hard at that; the welfare of the nation be damned.


That is not the reason.
Call your Democratic senator and ask them why they won't bring forward a budget.
Harry Reid is protecting some of his flock from the scorn of their constituents if they attempt to pass a budget that is not serious and continues huge deficits.

That is why the budget Obama put forward, got dumped on arrival with ZERO democratic votes. No one wanted to touch it for fear of voter backlash.

Paul Ryan puts forth a budget and is hung from the yardarm for being serious about the spending.
It's unfortunate the liberal Senate is not.


Please explain where the revenue will come from to cover more tax cuts for the rich? How does this cut the deficit? It doesn't...just more right ring rhetoric to appease the simpletons and reward the one percent.


Less taxes and less regulations would lead to a more robust economic growth, which in turn would lead to a growing revenue stream.

A growing revenue stream with LEVEL or reduced spending, would end the cycle of year to year deficits.

No amount of taxation, on one section of taxpayers alone, will do anything to bring the cycle of "hope and change" deficit spending under control.

When you have to resort to personal insults like the Hook did, you have lost all your credibility to have an adult conversation.


It is hopeless, as he will say you just watch Fox News (who have liberals and conservatives for balance)...

I have never been hired by a poor person. Rich people are the ones who create jobs for us that doesn't come from tax payer dollars... ie. the real economy. I also know that if I do what it takes, in America I could become rich, too... WE are an equal opportunity country.


A couple of questions for the professor....

So which socioeconomic group prospered the most in the last 10-20 years? Answer: the rich. How many more tax breaks do they need? Put a number out there instead of rhetoric.

Next, who pay the salaries of teachers, judges, fire fighters, soldiers, meat inspectors, social workers, astronauts.....? Answer: taxpayers. If we cut taxes, how do we pay for these services? Or are you suggesting we eliminate these jobs and just continue to reward the rich?

DK-how have you prospered under the Republican plan?

David K - 4-6-2012 at 02:35 PM

Try and follow me, Zac... last time:

1) People who are out of work don't pay taxes.

2) Businesses will not commit to growth and hiring when the future tax rate is being threatened to INCREASE (as this regime in control wants).

3) More people working brings in MORE money than raising the taxes on the fewer businesses... which will put the business under or at least keep them from hiring more people.

Example:

In California, run my liberals... businesses are closing or leaving for other states with lower taxes and fewer regulations.

In Texas, run by conservatives... businesses have been growing and hiring.

Quiz:

Which state has more tax money coming into the treasury (to pay for teachers, firemen, good roads, etc.)

a) The state with the higher corporate taxes.

b) The state with the lower corporate taxes.

Take as much time as you need... but if over 3 seconds, I worry.

Bajaboy - 4-6-2012 at 02:42 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Try and follow me, Zac... last time:

1) People who are out of work don't pay taxes.

2) Businesses will not commit to growth and hiring when the future tax rate is being threatened to INCREASE (as this regime in control wants).

3) More people working brings in MORE money than raising the taxes on the fewer businesses... which will put the business under or at least keep them from hiring more people.

Example:

In California, run my liberals... businesses are closing or leaving for other states with lower taxes and fewer regulations.

In Texas, run by conservatives... businesses have been growing and hiring.

Quiz:

Which state has more tax money coming into the treasury (to pay for teachers, firemen, good roads, etc.)

a) The state with the higher corporate taxes.

b) The state with the lower corporate taxes.

Take as much time as you need... but if over 3 seconds, I worry.


I asked three simple questions......:?: Again how has the Republican party helped you in the last 10 years.....

LancairDriver - 4-6-2012 at 03:09 PM

Pretty easy to separate the "Tax Dollar Parasites" from the "Tax Dollar Producers" on this thread. And no, paying taxes on a tax dollar derived income is not the same as paying taxes with money actually gained by producing wealth. Most tax dollar parasites have never signed the front side of a payroll check, so have no concept of how wealth is actually produced.
Of course , just as in nature, some parasites are needed to service the requirements of the producers. The problem now is the parasites have proliferated beyond the ability of the producers to support them. Somewhat the same situation as the insects sucking the lifeblood out of the northern Caribou herds periodically.

David K - 4-6-2012 at 03:11 PM

Zac, I was BUSY during the years when the Republican were in a majority in congress. On one income, I was able to provide for my kids and I... I DO NOT SEEK OR WANT HELP from a political party... I want America to prosper because of FREEDOM.

When excessive taxes are dropped, when rediculous regulations on business or property are removed, when congress doesn't mess with free enterprise going beyond their constitutional duties (to protect us from force or fraud)... then we ALL prosper.

The Republican party helped me, by staying out of my way and out of my customer's way to allow us to grow and be more free and prosperous.

When they began spending (like democrats) during the Bush II second term, and he (not a fiscal conservative) didn't veto their bills... they got voted OUT (2006 mid term)... From 2007+, when the democrats were in control of congress... and demanded banks to loan money to people who obviously couldn't repay the loans (Dodd, Frank ammendment)... it all started going down the crapper... for the first time my business started dropping every year...

Put Republicans back in control of the senate, and we may finally get a budget passed...

Now, answer my quiz.. a or b ?

[Edited on 4-6-2012 by David K]

DaliDali - 4-6-2012 at 03:19 PM

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Originally posted by Bajaboy
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Originally posted by DaliDali
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Originally posted by Bajaboy
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Originally posted by DaliDali
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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
So Boxer is a fascist? Or is she a real left wing liberal? She cannot be both.

Personally, I see this as an attempt to prevent scofflaws from fleeing the country without paying what they legally owe.

The no passport required to flee the US is a bogus argument simply because fleeing to Mexico or Canada does not get you to an extradition-free country.

As for the Senate and budgets and Obama, let's focus on a couple of hard facts. Number one, although the Dems have a plurality in the Senate, it is not enough to prevent filibuster. And that is the treat the Repubs have made at every turn. Add to that the fact that Mitch McConnell went on record after the Obama election saying that the number one priority of his party was to ensure that Obama was not reelected. McConnell and Boehner have worked long and hard at that; the welfare of the nation be damned.


That is not the reason.
Call your Democratic senator and ask them why they won't bring forward a budget.
Harry Reid is protecting some of his flock from the scorn of their constituents if they attempt to pass a budget that is not serious and continues huge deficits.

That is why the budget Obama put forward, got dumped on arrival with ZERO democratic votes. No one wanted to touch it for fear of voter backlash.

Paul Ryan puts forth a budget and is hung from the yardarm for being serious about the spending.
It's unfortunate the liberal Senate is not.


Please explain where the revenue will come from to cover more tax cuts for the rich? How does this cut the deficit? It doesn't...just more right ring rhetoric to appease the simpletons and reward the one percent.


Less taxes and less regulations would lead to a more robust economic growth, which in turn would lead to a growing revenue stream.

A growing revenue stream with LEVEL or reduced spending, would end the cycle of year to year deficits.

No amount of taxation, on one section of taxpayers alone, will do anything to bring the cycle of "hope and change" deficit spending under control.

When you have to resort to personal insults like the Hook did, you have lost all your credibility to have an adult conversation.


What should the tax rates be? How many jobs will be created? What specific regulations will create more jobs? Didn't Bush and the Republican say exactly the same thing....and what did we get....well I suppose it all depends on your income bracket.

How about if we go back to the rates during Reagan? Sorry if you took offense to my remarks but I stand them.....


I never take offense at folks comments or opinions...

What I do take offense is that your lowered yourself to insult millions of people, including me, who happen to think different than you.
Just like the Hook...he got on his knees and slid along the gutter of personal insults to make a point. Shame on him and shame on you.

Your opinion is fine....to slither in the gutter while tossing insults, only limits the conversation, rather than advance it.
Take no offense ok?...just stay out of the insult gutter and your opinions might carry more weight.

I have no clue what the tax rates should be and have zero inclination to fire up a calculator to find out.
However I do know that when 50% of taxpayers pay ZERO income tax, that just might be problematic in the grand scheme of things.

You can school yourself on what regulations might deter growth. I am not here to school you and provide you fodder for some liberal talking points.
However, if you care to ask a business owner who relocated out of CA for tax and regulation relief, you may come across your answers.

In case you didn't realize it or won't, Bush was sailing along just fine, despite a couple of wars and a natural disaster.
When the house came down, it was not a Bush's doing.
Does the housing bubble crash ring a bell? Remember Acorn storming bank exec's homes to demand they loan to deadbeats? Remember Barney saying Fannie was fine? Remember members of the black congressional congress (liberals) going nuts that blacks should get a home loan...even though it was plain they could not afford the payments?

When you speak of taxing the wealthy as a solution, and you don't address that 50%, who pay ZERO income tax, then it's game over and your just playing partisan politics.

Barry A. - 4-6-2012 at 03:28 PM

SPOT ON, David K. Bravo!!!!!! It's not more "help" we are looking for, or more regulations, it's FREEDOM to pursue success!!!

I will never understand why that is so hard to understand by some.

Barry

rts551 - 4-6-2012 at 03:33 PM

You do have the freedom to pursue. Some made good choices. some bad... I am Happy. I made good choices. And I don't mind paying taxes ( I do resent fraud, in government and business).

It might be harder today, and you might have to change career paths but the freedom to choose is still there. It did not go away.

Barry A. - 4-6-2012 at 03:49 PM

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Originally posted by rts551
You do have the freedom to pursue. Some made good choices. some bad... I am Happy. I made good choices. And I don't mind paying taxes ( I do resent fraud, in government and business).

It might be harder today, and you might have to change career paths but the freedom to choose is still there. It did not go away.


I too don't mind paying taxes as long as everybody else is too. But like you, I am dismayed at the WAY the Govt. spends my taxes, on on what they spend it on. "fraud" seems to be in the mind of the beholder. Many things branded as "fraud" today I don't think meets the definition as I understand it. I have always been a "buyer beware" kind of guy. Do your homework, and remember what you learn.

Barry

Cypress - 4-6-2012 at 04:29 PM

Taxes. I pay my share, fed, state, county etc. No problem. Glad to be able to. But!!!! I do have a problem with how my tax $$'s are spent. I can pee my own money away!! Will possibly get some enjoyment out of it. Let me keep and spend my own money. Might even be able burn a dollar or two down in Baja.:yes:

rts551 - 4-6-2012 at 04:48 PM

Taxes. Some do. But as you look around with the unjaded eye, you might see some of the most vocal around you don't work enough to pay income tax or evade taxes through under the table payments, they don't own a home so no property tax, and have no assets. Hence, only sales taxes... and oh do they scream.

I have a problem with people like this...the invisible leech upon society.

Cypress - 4-6-2012 at 05:01 PM

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Originally posted by rts551
Taxes. Some do. But as you look around with the unjaded eye, you might see some of the most vocal around you don't work enough to pay income tax or evade taxes through under the table payments, they don't own a home so no property tax, and have no assets. Hence, only sales taxes... and oh do they scream.

I have a problem with people like this...the invisible leech upon society.


Me to. They also sell their food stamps at .50 on the dollar for cash. Now they can spend the cash on drugs, etc.

rts551 - 4-6-2012 at 05:17 PM

But Cypress, they aren't all on food stamps. Some don't want that visibility

Cypress - 4-6-2012 at 05:31 PM

rts551, And?? They want to be invisible? Me too. But, I'm spending my own money, not the taxpayers.:no:

rts551 - 4-6-2012 at 06:14 PM

"The extent to which taxpayers underreport their gross income represents taxes that go unpaid every year. The IRS and the Economic Policy Institute estimate the amount of taxes owed but not paid at $353 billion, equal to about 15% of the total taxes owed. These taxes not paid through our “voluntary and timely” system of taxation are often known as the “tax gap.”" - The CPA Journal

Largest amount?


Underreported business income: $155 billion. This represents taxes owed by small businesses and self-employed individuals.

[Edited on 4-7-2012 by rts551]

DavidE - 4-6-2012 at 06:30 PM

BARBARA BOXER'S OFFICE WASHINGTON D.C. JANUARY 2002

"Hello, Barbara Boxer's office"

"Hi, I am a constituent calling about a problem that I am having with social security".

"Sir, you are not a female"

"No of course not"

"Are you a minority?"

No, I'm Caucasian"

"Are you gay"

"No"

"Then sir, I am afraid this office cannot help you".

"Is this Barbara Boxer's general office or a special minority branch office?"

"This is Senator Boxer's regular office sir"

"Then you cannot help me?"

"No I'm afraid not"

THIS IS SO HELP ME A WORD-FOR-WORD ABSOLUTELY ACCURATE (VERBATIM) TRANSCRIPT OF MY CONVERSATION WITH BARBARA BOXER'S OFFICE.

Dianne Feinstein herself stepped in almost immediately and helped me. Her staff was flabbergasted with my story.

BOXER CAN TAKE A FLYING LEAP AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED! SCREW HER AND HER DEMENTED POLITICAL ORIENTATION

woody with a view - 4-6-2012 at 08:56 PM

ObamaBucks! that is the future!!!!

why are we all punching at each other? like a blind man in a swarm of bees? these F*ing politicians know if they make us hate each other, and hate what we stand for that they will have a generation to enrich themselves. more so than the past generations.....

did congress REALLY need a law to say they could not trade securities based on the info they heard while sitting in on some meeting?

get the $ out of politics and your kids might have a chance.

David K - 4-6-2012 at 09:19 PM

Why didn't Zac answer me? Come on Zac, it is really easy and you know the answer...

Alas, I just will be glad when this nightmare on America ends... The world is counting on us to be the beacon of hope and freedom... it does no one any good to have us slip into third world poverty.

It can get better even without lowering personal income taxes more, by lowering federal spending! Stop spending more than they take in, problem solved.

woody with a view - 4-6-2012 at 09:26 PM

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Originally posted by ridge
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Originally posted by DaliDali...Remember...?...
I remember fraudulent conveyance of liar-loan Mortgage Backed Securities.

Would the loans still have been made with the banks own money?

http://www.businesspundit.com/sub-prime/page3.php


if you want to see how hard we got F*ed and didn't even know it until it was over, watch "Inside Job". the bankers have been in control since the first neanderthol needed a loan so he could strike out on his own to find a new stretch of beach...

F U C K the banks and all of their leaches....

David K - 4-6-2012 at 09:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
SPOT ON, David K. Bravo!!!!!! It's not more "help" we are looking for, or more regulations, it's FREEDOM to pursue success!!!

I will never understand why that is so hard to understand by some.

Barry


"A government that governs BEST, governs LEAST..."

I think was spoken by a great president, not too long ago...
R. Reagan

Bajaboy - 4-6-2012 at 09:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Why didn't Zac answer me? Come on Zac, it is really easy and you know the answer...

Alas, I just will be glad when this nightmare on America ends... The world is counting on us to be the beacon of hope and freedom... it does no one any good to have us slip into third world poverty.

It can get better even without lowering personal income taxes more, by lowering federal spending! Stop spending more than they take in, problem solved.


I haven't responded because I have a life:lol: Been watching the Doyers beat up on the Padres. So let's see...you are trying to compare Texas to California...are you kidding me:?:

Feel free to pack the Tacoma up and move if you feel that Texas has so much more to offer. If you think Texas has survived the economic downturn due to low taxes, you might want to do some research that doesn't include watching tv. How about Arizona....pretty red state wouldn't you say....how do they compare? Try and go beyond a few talking points....

What tax rate do you suggest? A flat tax? I've already suggested we go back to the tax rates we had under Reagan. Pretty specific...can you give me more than just "we need to lower taxes...blah, blah, blah" Agree or disagree...or do you need to wait for Hannity to weigh in?:lol:

woody with a view - 4-6-2012 at 09:55 PM

:biggrin:flat tax would be my choice!:biggrin:

everyone pays the same. hookers, tweekers, bankers....

edit: go easy on the Padres.....

[Edited on 4-7-2012 by woody with a view]

vgabndo - 4-6-2012 at 10:28 PM

Well David, considering all the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, I guess you just don't know too much about America's most famous international terrorist President. Old Wobblehead, if he were alive today, could EASILY be shipped off to GITMO under existing law as a terrorist. Simple. If it is illegal for the President of Iran to train Palestinian terrorists with the intent of sending them over another border to attack Israel, then how was it not illegal for RayGun to train Hondurans to send them into Nicaragua to kill villagers to prove to them that the Sandanistas couldn't protect them. Reagan also provided weapons to terrorists and despots; Osama Bin Ladin and Saddam Hussein for instance. He also pardoned the criminals of Iran/Contra after We the People had tried and convicted them.

He was a terrible actor and an embarrassing President. Get over it.

mtgoat666 - 4-6-2012 at 11:05 PM

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Originally posted by David K

"A government that governs BEST, governs LEAST..."



governing least is anarchy!!!

somalia is best current example of anarchy!!! another good example is the western provinces of pakistan!!!!

Voodoo Economics

SFandH - 4-7-2012 at 12:07 AM

The truth is:

If you cut taxes, then you decrease tax revenue, increase the deficit, and grow the debt. That is absolutely true in the short term, you can't deny it. And it turns out to be true in the long term also. The Reagan and Bush II tax cuts did not result in enough growth to cover the loss in revenue.

Supply side economics is a lie that gets votes.

With a huge deficit and mounting debt, reducing tax revenue now would be irresponsible. Tax revenue needs to be increased, or at a minimum be held constant, and spending needs to be decreased. That's the only way the budget gap will be closed.

[Edited on 4-7-2012 by SFandH]

David K - 4-7-2012 at 12:19 AM

If your ideas were correct, than Greece would not be in a mess and the Soviet Union would have prospered after WWII.

SFandH - 4-7-2012 at 01:39 AM

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Originally posted by Bajaboy

http://www.skymachines.com/US-National-Debt-Per-Capita-Perce...


Great link, thanks.

[Edited on 4-7-2012 by SFandH]

Cypress - 4-7-2012 at 06:09 AM

Too much of the taxpayers money is wasted. Just saw a news segment about a GSA junket to Vegas that cost taxpayers almost a million bucks, $5/shrimp etc. Let me keep my tax money, I'm fully capable of wasting it myself.:spingrin: