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Rain, Rain Go Away

Gypsy Jan - 4-13-2012 at 05:49 PM

Sunny all day in Rosarito, then clouds in the afternoon and then driving rain,

The good Mexico weather site was accurate after all.

[Edited on 4-14-2012 by Gypsy Jan]

DENNIS - 4-13-2012 at 05:58 PM

Rain is wonderful....when you live on a hill.

Oops, Sorry, Didn't Post the Link

Gypsy Jan - 4-13-2012 at 06:00 PM

http://www.worldweatheronline.com/Mexico-weather.aspx

My Southern Grandmother

Gypsy Jan - 4-13-2012 at 06:15 PM

Always told me that it was a good idea to talk about the weather instead of politics.

"It don''t make me no never mind". is how she navigagated through her family that contained conservatives and liberals.

Bob H - 4-13-2012 at 07:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Gypsy Jan
Always told me that it was a good idea to talk about the weather instead of politics.

"It don''t make me no never mind". is how she navigagated through her family that contained conservatives and liberals.


Your Southern Grandmother sounds like my Southern Grandmother. Example: One time she heard a rumor that she didn't think was true, and when she found out it WAS true, she blurted out "Well, butter my butt and call me a bisquit!"

Ateo - 4-13-2012 at 07:25 PM

I drove thru a friggen water spout in San Clemente today. It's hailing here in Oceanside right now. Just drove down to Cardiff for Italian food and it cleared up for a bit. Now raining again....I love it.

DavidE - 4-13-2012 at 08:13 PM

Gypsy Jan-

“The more you observe politics, the more you've got to admit that each party is worse than the other.”
― Will Rogers

David K - 4-13-2012 at 09:13 PM

Slammed into San Marcos at 3:20 this afternoon with thunder that shook the Kaiser building I was inside of!:wow: A half hour later lightning so close to my truck I was driving that it blinded me for a second.

Love the drama in our weather... it is so rare here in Southern California!

DavidE - 4-13-2012 at 09:34 PM

Wondered why it was a little hazy here today...

Bajaboy - 4-13-2012 at 09:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Slammed into San Marcos at 3:20 this afternoon with thunder that shook the Kaiser building I was inside of!:wow: A half hour later lightning so close to my truck I was driving that it blinded me for a second.

Love the drama in our weather... it is so rare here in Southern California!


Get used to it: http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/kids/basics/index.html

David K - 4-13-2012 at 09:46 PM

The first line makes the rest laughable enough that I hope some kid with a mind points it out...

First line: "Our world is always changing..."

Next paragraph:

"The Earth is getting warmer because people are adding heat-trapping gases to the atmosphere, mainly by burning fossil fuels.." (so being warm and cooking food are bad things now?)

WHICH IS IT?

FACT: The climate changes and always has, from forces FAR greater than man... We have had ice ages and global warming after, which was a good thing... This has happened before fossil fuels and even before man!

It is so very sad the brainwashing by leftists, old hippies, or just people who ignore facts.

Bajaboy - 4-13-2012 at 09:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
The first line makes the rest laughable enough that I hope some kid with a mind points it out...

First line: "Our world is always changing..."

Next paragraph:

"The Earth is getting warmer because people are adding heat-trapping gases to the atmosphere, mainly by burning fossil fuels.." (so being warm and cooking food are bad things now?)

WHICH IS IT?

FACT: The climate changes and always has, from forces FAR greater than man... We have had ice ages and global warming after, which was a good thing... This has happened before fossil fuels and even before man!

It is so very sad the brainwashing by leftists, old hippies, or just people who ignore facts.


If you prefer, here is the science:
http://www.climate.gov/#understandingClimate

woody with a view - 4-13-2012 at 09:53 PM

we need the water so let it rain....

Bajaboy - 4-13-2012 at 09:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by woody with a view
we need the water so let it rain....


yep, couldn't agree more

David K - 4-13-2012 at 10:05 PM

It didn't take me long...

Climate Literacy Items from Hawai`i Survey

[correct answer]

% scoring correctly


A) Climate change will cause some places to get wetter, while others
will get drier [true] 97.7%


B) If we were to stop burning fossil fuels today, global warming
would stop almost immediately [false] 93%

==========================================================

(I added the A and B because I wasn't sure if it would be clear when I pasted the first to questions [and the answers] here)

No need to keep showing you, but MAN cannot change the Earth's climate, when a natural occurance such as volcanic eruption (just one) pollutes thousands of tons more than man could ever create... and volcanoes have been errupting for all time.

Need, Want

MrBillM - 4-13-2012 at 10:05 PM

It matters NOT.

It will or won't regardless of anyone's desires or opinions.

Unlike Politics. Which you CAN do something about.

David K - 4-13-2012 at 10:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MrBillM
It matters NOT.

It will or won't regardless of anyone's desires or opinions.

Unlike Politics. Which you CAN do something about.


Seriously! :light:

But just like we can pray for rain... we can also pray to God to save America, before it is hurt anymore!

Sallysouth - 4-13-2012 at 10:12 PM

Oh Jeez David, old hippies aren't bad or stupid, just old!I have been getting a kick out of my G-girls from Cabo that have never been in weather like this.They want to go out and feel it, run around in it!We got some hail here in Capo today.Big wind and lightning/thunder.I love it.Now for some sun....:)

Bajaboy - 4-13-2012 at 10:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
It didn't take me long...

Climate Literacy Items from Hawai`i Survey

[correct answer]

% scoring correctly


A) Climate change will cause some places to get wetter, while others
will get drier [true] 97.7%


B) If we were to stop burning fossil fuels today, global warming
would stop almost immediately [false] 93%

==========================================================

(I added the A and B because I wasn't sure if it would be clear when I pasted the first to questions [and the answers] here)

No need to keep showing you, but MAN cannot change the Earth's climate, when a natural occurance such as volcanic eruption (just one) pollutes thousands of tons more than man could ever create... and volcanoes have been errupting for all time.


yep, dumping toxic chemicals into our water ways should be legalized based on your logic:?:

David K - 4-13-2012 at 10:23 PM

There you go again... what does toxic chemicals have to do with heating your home in the winter or driving a firetruck or delivering food to the elderly... all things done with petroleum products that are GOOD.

If you want to live like they do in the third world, that is your choice... Don't make the rest of us suffer because of some idealism you want to believe.

Al Gore lied to us, he inverted the climate graph from reality and then he told kids we were killing polar bears... real nice.

Science is a constant search for truth... despite what the Greens have said, the discussion is not over and nothing is conclussive.

Now, I wish you peace and happiness... and prosperity (we both could use more of that, right?)!

Enjoy the rain

Skipjack Joe - 4-13-2012 at 10:26 PM



Singin-in-the-Rain-classic-movies-865382_1024_768.jpg - 46kB

Praying for Rain ?

MrBillM - 4-13-2012 at 10:33 PM

May (or may not) work, but today (for us) it delayed just enough.

Drove out to fire off some rounds through my latest (two-day old) purchase and the weather turned to Scheisse, BUT held off just long enough (by about 10 minutes) for us to get home before coming down in (more or less) Buckets.

The wife said it was her prayers.

Could be, I guess.

Maybe.

[Edited on 4-14-2012 by MrBillM]

Skipjack Joe - 4-13-2012 at 11:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Science is a constant search for truth... despite what the Greens have said, the discussion is not over and nothing is conclussive.



If science is a constant search for truth how do you know when you've found it?

What is your criteria for it's presence?

To me it seems you have the flimsiest. If your friends find it to be true then so do you. A truly sad thing which few can admire.

Your support for Mark and Olivia is on equally shaky ground. They are the good guys because because you met them, they were pleasant, so how could they be evl?

Much of your critical thinking follow similar lines of reasoning.

I want to remind you that it was this lack of critical honesty that allowed N-zism to rise in europe in the 30's and beccome a political force that got out of control.

Having fought against the N-zis this may sound ridiculous. Yet had you been born in Germany you would have been the ideally suited to take on the cause. because you are incapable of good critical thought. and the courage it requires.

I;m sorry if this appears over critical yet your posts are sometimes too much to bear. Most are fine so I never know when I.m never sure when I'm going to encounter the garbage and can't avoid it.

Igor

DavidE - 4-14-2012 at 05:36 AM

Myself: I try to not be a hypocrite by anyone's standards. I plant bushes and trees, and vegetables and fruit trees. Because our local water is aquifer and seemingly changing in depth very little over the years my new garden will measure around 20 meters to a side. All of my kitchen waste is going for compost.

If people would plant ten million coconut palms on Baja's eastern beaches, it would fundamentally change I would like to say improve, the economy of the entire peninsula. The trees need fresh water for the first six months, then they will do fine on sea water and beach sand. The camping aesthetic would change. Tropical instead of barren sand. Birds would flourish, residents could use corazon de palma for construction the fronds to make roofs or petates, the fruit use would be obvious. Campers would note a definite decrease in the velocity of the northern wind in winter and the shade would increase comfort in warmer. The planting of just a dozen palms on your property will spark a landmark trend.

But this is just my thoughts...

mcfez - 4-14-2012 at 07:15 AM

Gypsy Jan post should be titled " hijack hijacks...go away"

I thought this was about rain...............mega storms up here in Sacramento, overflowing creek here. Any rain in San Felipe?

What's wrong with Hippies anyhow? They were for Peace and Love, right? :yes: I'll be filing a complaint against you..............

Hope Springs Eternal...

EnsenadaDr - 4-14-2012 at 08:21 AM

Rain...its too cold for me. I never liked Connecticut weather, summer or winter...and this cold wind with the cold rain, is exactly that...Connecticut weather. I only like rain when its warm. Anyway, jumping to the phrase, "Science is a constant search for the truth..., I like it. Because basically, you have your hypothesis, and then your plan to prove it. It doesn't always come out like you wanted it to, but hey, then we end up with really great mistakes, like Penicillin. I kinda like the old adage as well "Hope Springs Eternal..." though that could be challenged as well. If we didn't think things would get better by our own intuition only, nothing concrete that would prove it...suicide would be rampant. So for me, things don't always have to be in black and white, and as much as I love Science, I would have to agree with the quote, "Science is a constant search for the truth." Thanks, David!!!
Quote:
Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Science is a constant search for truth... despite what the Greens have said, the discussion is not over and nothing is conclussive.



If science is a constant search for truth how do you know when you've found it?

What is your criteria for it's presence?

To me it seems you have the flimsiest. If your friends find it to be true then so do you. A truly sad thing which few can admire.

Your support for Mark and Olivia is on equally shaky ground. They are the good guys because because you met them, they were pleasant, so how could they be evl?

Much of your critical thinking follow similar lines of reasoning.

I want to remind you that it was this lack of critical honesty that allowed N-zism to rise in europe in the 30's and beccome a political force that got out of control.

Having fought against the N-zis this may sound ridiculous. Yet had you been born in Germany you would have been the ideally suited to take on the cause. because you are incapable of good critical thought. and the courage it requires.

I;m sorry if this appears over critical yet your posts are sometimes too much to bear. Most are fine so I never know when I.m never sure when I'm going to encounter the garbage and can't avoid it.

Igor

rts551 - 4-14-2012 at 08:22 AM

David can be bought for a hamburger, bottle of beer, and a gallon of gas. Easy.
Quote:
Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Science is a constant search for truth... despite what the Greens have said, the discussion is not over and nothing is conclussive.



If science is a constant search for truth how do you know when you've found it?

What is your criteria for it's presence?

To me it seems you have the flimsiest. If your friends find it to be true then so do you. A truly sad thing which few can admire.

Your support for Mark and Olivia is on equally shaky ground. They are the good guys because because you met them, they were pleasant, so how could they be evl?

Much of your critical thinking follow similar lines of reasoning.

I want to remind you that it was this lack of critical honesty that allowed N-zism to rise in europe in the 30's and beccome a political force that got out of control.

Having fought against the N-zis this may sound ridiculous. Yet had you been born in Germany you would have been the ideally suited to take on the cause. because you are incapable of good critical thought. and the courage it requires.

I;m sorry if this appears over critical yet your posts are sometimes too much to bear. Most are fine so I never know when I.m never sure when I'm going to encounter the garbage and can't avoid it.

Igor

Being bought easy...

EnsenadaDr - 4-14-2012 at 08:35 AM

My comments were not directed to any person, they were based on thoughts alone...
Quote:
Originally posted by rts551
David can be bought for a hamburger, bottle of beer, and a gallon of gas. Easy.

Quote:
Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Science is a constant search for truth... despite what the Greens have said, the discussion is not over and nothing is conclussive.



If science is a constant search for truth how do you know when you've found it?

What is your criteria for it's presence?

To me it seems you have the flimsiest. If your friends find it to be true then so do you. A truly sad thing which few can admire.

Your support for Mark and Olivia is on equally shaky ground. They are the good guys because because you met them, they were pleasant, so how could they be evl?

Much of your critical thinking follow similar lines of reasoning.

I want to remind you that it was this lack of critical honesty that allowed N-zism to rise in europe in the 30's and beccome a political force that got out of control.

Having fought against the N-zis this may sound ridiculous. Yet had you been born in Germany you would have been the ideally suited to take on the cause. because you are incapable of good critical thought. and the courage it requires.

I;m sorry if this appears over critical yet your posts are sometimes too much to bear. Most are fine so I never know when I.m never sure when I'm going to encounter the garbage and can't avoid it.

Igor

Skipjack Joe - 4-14-2012 at 08:41 AM

You've missed the point entirely. The phrase by itself is correct. But in context it was written to suggest thaat there is a lack of evidence for man made global warming. So the question is posed how much evidence does David require. Even the Bush administration acknowledged the evidece is there.

His attitude was: yep it's a problem but we're not going to do anything about it because the solutions are hopelessly expensive and unrealistic. With which I agree.

Bajaboy - 4-14-2012 at 08:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
There you go again... what does toxic chemicals have to do with heating your home in the winter or driving a firetruck or delivering food to the elderly... all things done with petroleum products that are GOOD.


Factories used to dump toxic waste into our waterways until the "hippies and greenies" stood up to them. The business community said they would not be able survive and that dumping was GOOD. Oh and then we could talk about the military dumping....I went to college on a former military base and one of the largest superfund sites in the US....Do you support the military dumping toxics and polluting?

So are you saying you support restrictions against businesses polluting? Does that make you a greenie? I can't follow your argument.

Greenies..

EnsenadaDr - 4-14-2012 at 08:48 AM

Though I am not a greenie per se, or claim I live a natural lifestyle, I do believe in looking into ways of salvaging the environment. Why was everyone jumping on Ralph Nader and Al Gore? Like Bajaboy stated, unless we start complaints, no one will do anything about things...even if the ideas seem a little overzealous or zany at the time.
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajaboy
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
There you go again... what does toxic chemicals have to do with heating your home in the winter or driving a firetruck or delivering food to the elderly... all things done with petroleum products that are GOOD.


Factories used to dump toxic waste into our waterways until the "hippies and greenies" stood up to them. The business community said they would not be able survive and that dumping was GOOD. Oh and then we could talk about the military dumping....I went to college on a former military base and one of the largest superfund sites in the US....Do you support the military dumping toxics and polluting?

So are you saying you support restrictions against businesses polluting? Does that make you a greenie? I can't follow your argument.

DianaT - 4-14-2012 at 08:59 AM

Threw on a rain jacket last night and went for a walk---while I probably would have fallen on my face if I had tried singing and dancing in the rain, I sure enjoyed the walk. This morning is windy and stormy out there and I can't wait to head outside and enjoy it. Igor, good to see you BACK

Well if we keep electing people who believe the world is only 6000 years old and that we should ignore science, and that man has no control of the environment he/she creates, and that we should get rid of agencies like the EPA so big business can function easier, while they chant Drill Baby, Drill, we can have an old hippie sing-a-long with Randy Newman --- Burn On Big River, Burn on.

Bajame - 4-14-2012 at 09:18 AM

It looks like the weather is changing here in San Ignacio, clouds are coming in. just when I was planning a week in the La Paz sun! Well you just have to love it!

Skipjack Joe - 4-14-2012 at 09:44 AM

BTW,

We experienced this storm a day before it came to SD.

The display was incredible. Thunder and lightening that seemed right over our heads. 2 hours of it. Then everything went black. PGE lost power and the city went dark. Alex used the propane lantern to finish his hwk (I wouln't let him off the hook). I sat in the dark and brooded over my illness.

astrobaja - 4-14-2012 at 09:51 AM

hmmm our rain is in the form of crystalline flakes right now! Soon I'll have to go and clean off the satellite dish so I can keep surfing!!

Oh well I prefer snow to rain for the sake of our road!!

woody with a view - 4-14-2012 at 10:20 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skipjack Joe Then everything went black. PGE lost power and the city went dark. Alex used the propane lantern to finish his hwk (I wouln't let him off the hook). I sat in the dark and brooded over my illness.


when the ENTIRE southwest lost power last summer for 6 hours or so we were the only house in the 'hood that had light. and a fridge. the neighbors came over to check us out "camping" on the patio. we even filled all 5 coolers with water just in case it was an extended outage.

Mexitron - 4-14-2012 at 10:21 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
It didn't take me long...

Climate Literacy Items from Hawai`i Survey

[correct answer]

% scoring correctly


A) Climate change will cause some places to get wetter, while others
will get drier [true] 97.7%


B) If we were to stop burning fossil fuels today, global warming
would stop almost immediately [false] 93%

==========================================================

(I added the A and B because I wasn't sure if it would be clear when I pasted the first to questions [and the answers] here)

No need to keep showing you, but MAN cannot change the Earth's climate, when a natural occurance such as volcanic eruption (just one) pollutes thousands of tons more than man could ever create... and volcanoes have been errupting for all time.



Sorry to disagree with you there David---not that I'm posting an opinion either way on climate change, but what humans put out dwarfs natural output, as far as CO2 is concerned (and volcanoes main output, sulphur, has more to do with global cooling):

http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hazards/gas/climate.php

http://environment.about.com/od/greenhouseeffect/a/volcano-g...

http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=31313

[Edited on 4-14-2012 by Mexitron]

woody with a view - 4-14-2012 at 10:26 AM

there you all go again, ruining a perfectly good conversation with facts! let's see if the facts are acknowledged....

Mexitron - 4-14-2012 at 10:37 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by woody with a view
there you all go again, ruining a perfectly good conversation with facts! let's see if the facts are acknowledged....


:lol::lol::lol:

Oh well, the thread was rapidly deteriorating anyway.....

David K - 4-14-2012 at 10:40 AM

Thank Steve for the heads up. I was just thinking that without CO2, plants die, and without plants we loose oxygen production, yes? I think plankton plays a big role, too. Let me get a quote from the Internet http://www.planktonzine.com/2009/07/uses-of-plankton/ :

"The oxygen supply in the world has always been thought to be the domain of trees and other botanical organisms. Yes, it is correct. But what most people do not know about is that plankton contributes far greater that trees do. Its estimated oxygen production levels is at 90%, this by far is the most essential role of plankton."

Skipjack Joe - 4-14-2012 at 10:43 AM

By the looks of it the polar bears aren't going to survive this round of change. Nothing to feel guilty about. It is what it is.

David K - 4-14-2012 at 10:55 AM

I guess, if you keep reading enough you can find any answer on the Internet...

Q: How much pollution does a volcano produce? I’ve heard that a volcanoes spew out as much pollution as all the cars that have ever been put on Earth combined but how much pollution does a volcano produce when it erupts?

Asked by Darwin Teague
Hear this Question on our Podcast
- Darwin Teague - 15th Jun 08



A: What you've heard is true.

Beside particulate (ash and other particles), volcanoes can release enormous quantities of gases, including the following pollutants:
H2O water vapor
CO2 carbon dioxide
SO2 sulfur dioxide
H2S hydrogen sulfide
CO carbon monoxide
HCl hydrogen chloride
HF hydrogen flouride

Even non-explosive basaltic volcanoes (Hawaii, Iceland) can release damaging quantities of pollutants in the form of "vogâ", or volcanic smog. The Hawaii volcano observatory has recently issued warnings for sulfur dioxide emissions and restricted access to areas around Kilauea. The 1783 Icelandic basalt eruption resulted in emission of over 100 tons of SO2 in less than 8 months- killing humans, livestock and damaging crops in both Iceland and Europe. Gas emissions during the eruption of the Siberian traps may have caused the great Permian extinction 250 million years ago. Volcanic SO2 emissions can range up to 10 million tonnes per day.

- Bass - 16th Jun 08

Above from: http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/content/latest-questi...

[Edited on 4-14-2012 by David K]

Skipjack Joe - 4-14-2012 at 11:31 AM

If there were only some way that we could come up to eliminate the co2 after it's there. Surely some there is a brilliant chemist out there somewhere to invent something we can shoot into space that will speed up co2 consumption to safer levels?

We have always gotten ourselves out of situations and we must do so again. Sound naive?

The current approach is going nowhere. Those who don't want to deal with the mess say what mess? Even the new administrations policies if adhered would not be enough.

It's not just about the bears and Bangladesh and the South Seas. The temperature of sea currents are changing causing the change of previous plankton blooms. Will they remain for the whales. Will there be sufficieent for the great salmon runs. Will the forage fish get less numerous? Birds fly greater distances to feed their young. Life or death. A time of great anxiety for many.

woody with a view - 4-14-2012 at 11:35 AM

funny thing, i was talking to the FEAD guy at san nic about the crappy fishing and he said it's been about 7-8 years since he has seen ANY baitfish. he used to see baitballs all the time getting pushed into the shoreline by predator fish...

Skipjack Joe - 4-14-2012 at 12:07 PM

Really hijacking now...

Have you ever wondered why the fishing in Asuncion is usually so much better then neighboring Abreojos or Tortuga? It's obvious from google earth. It's the first place that gets cooking once the upwhelling starts. Nutrients to surface baitfish to nutrients and the big boys show up. The continental shelf is the narrowest at asundion. It's the epicenter. Don't understand the tuna though.

mtgoat666 - 4-14-2012 at 02:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
I guess, if you keep reading enough you can find any answer on the Internet...

Above from: http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/content/latest-questi...



dk: you cited naked scientist website, so i assume you find them credible.

here is an interesting Q&A from naked scientist website:

=========================

Is global warming all made by humans?

I have been learning about environmental science in school (I just graduated), and have been confronted with an alternate view of global warming. My textbook tells me that global warming is entirely anthropogenic, but I have heard from some sources that the earth has cycles in which it heats and cools. These sources suggest that we are simply going through another one of these warm periods, and that the large amounts of carbon dioxide, methane, etc. are not significantly affecting the environment. How do you respond to this proposition? How have other scientists responded to this? Jeremy Conrad (via email)

[We put this question to Jonathan Shanklin, who discovered the hole in the ozone layer and was our guest on the Atmospheric Analysis show]

The Earth does go through regular cycles of warm and cold, and we are currently in one of the warm periods. The cycles are clearly shown in Antarctic ice cores, which show several cycles over the last 750,000 years, each one lasting around 120,000 years. Carbon dioxide levels and methane levels are high during the warm periods and low during the cold periods. The main driver behind these changes are variations in the Earth's orbit, and these would suggest that we should now be heading towards a very slow cooling.

We have however changed our atmosphere so fundamentally that carbon dioxide levels are much higher than at any time in the last 750,000 years. This much higher level of carbon dioxide (30%) is what is giving rise to the anthropogenic global warming. We are probably committed to at least a 5 degree rise in average global temperature. This will have dramatic effects on ice cover and sea level. The need to cut carbon dioxide levels so urgently is to prevent things getting even worse. The problem is actually even greater than this, as in the developed world we are consumming the resources of over three planets. This is not sustainable as we only have one planet!

June 2007

another Q&A from David K-approved naked scientist!!!!!

mtgoat666 - 4-14-2012 at 02:10 PM

Could volcanoe ash relate to global warming?

I've heard that the eruption of Krakatoa causes massive cooling in the atmosphere and these effects are diminishing. Could this be a contributing factor to global warming? Simon via Email

The particles that go into the atmosphere from volcanoes do cause cooling but it only tends to last for a couple of years before the particles all drop out again back to the background level. You'd have to have really big volcanoes going off all the time into the upper atmosphere to really have an effect like that.

January 2007

woody with a view - 4-14-2012 at 02:17 PM

"The Earth does go through regular cycles of warm and cold, and we are currently in one of the warm periods. The cycles are clearly shown in Antarctic ice cores, which show several cycles over the last 750,000 years, each one lasting around 120,000 years. Carbon dioxide levels and methane levels are high during the warm periods and low during the cold periods. The main driver behind these changes are variations in the Earth's orbit, and these would suggest that we should now be heading towards a very slow cooling."

perfect! total ambiguity.... hey, summer is coming so don't expect snow in july! so what if it was the warmest march in 150 years? that isn't long enough to matter in the scheme of things...

[Edited on 4-14-2012 by woody with a view]

mtgoat666 - 4-14-2012 at 02:21 PM

Quote:

We have however changed our atmosphere so fundamentally that carbon dioxide levels are much higher than at any time in the last 750,000 years. This much higher level of carbon dioxide (30%) is what is giving rise to the anthropogenic global warming.

woody with a view - 4-14-2012 at 02:52 PM

like i said, both sides of the coin in one article.

Mexitron - 4-14-2012 at 02:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by woody with a view
"The Earth does go through regular cycles of warm and cold, and we are currently in one of the warm periods. The cycles are clearly shown in Antarctic ice cores, which show several cycles over the last 750,000 years, each one lasting around 120,000 years. Carbon dioxide levels and methane levels are high during the warm periods and low during the cold periods. The main driver behind these changes are variations in the Earth's orbit, and these would suggest that we should now be heading towards a very slow cooling."

perfect! total ambiguity.... hey, summer is coming so don't expect snow in july! so what if it was the warmest march in 150 years? that isn't long enough to matter in the scheme of things...

[Edited on 4-14-2012 by woody with a view]


I think what he is saying is that the main driver--in the past---has been orbital change. The current spike in temp is more puzzling since its out of sync with that model.

vgabndo - 4-14-2012 at 09:15 PM

The discussion around "Al Gore's Math Problem" seems to provide acceptable numbers, and they say that our atmosphere is only about nine times larger in volume than our oceans. No one who has been out of the sight of land for weeks can fail to get a sense of the mass, yet man has *done a job* on most everything that is good to eat that once lived in abundance there. Why is it so hard for some folks to accept that there is an excellent possibility, at least, that some climate change is also man-made.

That life on this planet evolved an animal with such a brain that it can, and will, dissect the finest nuances of the causes if its demise while failing utterly to organize socially in a way that might have made human life here sustainable is the closest understanding I've gained of cosmic irony.

There's a great discussion between the biologist Richard Dawkins and Neil deGrasse Tyson the astrophysicist in part about the probabilities of life throughout the cosmos and the probability that that life might look like us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuR3AmOi50A

It is a fascinating discussion. Dawkins is a little too serious for Tyson but they are true brainiacs. Skip in 20 minutes.

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woody with a view - 4-14-2012 at 09:53 PM

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Originally posted by vgabndo
That life on this planet evolved an animal with such a brain that it can, and will, dissect the finest nuances of the causes if (sic) its demise while failing utterly to organize socially in a way that might have made human life here sustainable is the closest understanding I've gained of cosmic irony.


is that a run-on sentence? i don't really care cuz that is some HEAVY stuff! can't wait for the rest of it.....:saint:

vgabndo - 4-14-2012 at 10:19 PM

Hey in "my little world" it is the fine art of comma-splicing.:lol:

Check out the video I edited-in above.

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Skipjack Joe - 4-14-2012 at 11:01 PM

Sorry Woody. My post was below my standards. I'm erasing all.


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woody with a view - 4-14-2012 at 11:17 PM

it don't matter none. live your life the only way you can! balls out and leave nothing to chance. the bankers run the world, have since day 4! i'm just glad i lived to enjoy the music of the 60's, 70's, 80's and a bit of the 90's. the new stuff is crap!

now, when is the next election? i got me some pain to deliver!!!!

DENNIS - 4-15-2012 at 07:17 AM

Are we still talking about weather? Ohhhh...good 'cuz it was 38° on my deck this AM. brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Beautiful blue skies all around right now.

Better back East..

EnsenadaDr - 4-15-2012 at 07:38 AM

It's 67 degrees in New York City right now and going up to 77 degrees today...something wrong with this picture???
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Originally posted by DENNIS
Are we still talking about weather? Ohhhh...good 'cuz it was 38° on my deck this AM. brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Beautiful blue skies all around right now.