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BAJA SPELL CHECKER... Why?

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David K - 4-19-2012 at 06:37 PM

For fun, learning and respect for the places we love to visit...

How long would you let a friend spell Phoenix like this: Feenicks? How about Dallas: Daliss? Or perhaps Springfield as Sprinfeld? Friends don't let friends mis-spell Baja places! :yes:

Well, when you mis spell Baja places it looks just as bad to someone from those places... For example... There is no such place as Guerro Negro or Los Barilles or Puertocitos or Alphonsina's or Loretto or Muleje... YET, we usually (as English speakers) know what is meant. A letter may not get there or a search on the Internet may not find it, when mis-spelled.

Some samples...

Here is the CORRECT (and): Incorrect spelling

BAJA: Baha :light:

TIJUANA: Tiajuana

TECATE: TKT :lol:

ALGODONES: ???

ROSARITO: Rosarita (Yes, it is really Playas de Rosarito)

ENSENADA: Encinada, Ensinada

SANTO TOMAS: Santo Thomas

SAN FELIPE: San Felipi, San Felippi

SAN QUINTIN: San Quentin, San Quinten

PUERTECITOS: Puertocitos (one of the most often misspelled places in Baja)

SANTA YNEZ (or INES)*: Santa Ynes, Santa Inez
(The owner prefers 'Ynez', but maps and road signs maintain that it is 'Ines'... The last straw on insisting it is 'Ynez' is when I bought a shirt from Matilda there, spelled 'Ines'!) :rolleyes:

ALFONSINA'S: Alphonsina's

LAGUNA CHAPALA: Laguna Chapalla

SANTA ROSALILLITA: Santa Rosaliita

SAN FRANCISQUITO: San Fran&%$#@? :rolleyes:

GUERRERO NEGRO: Guerro Negro (the next most often misspelled place in Baja)

MALARRIMO: Mallarimo, Mallarrimo

VIZCAINO: Viscaino

BAHIA ASUNCION: Bahia Asencion

MULEGE: Muleje

LORETO: Loretto

LOS BARRILES: Los Barilles

Sometimes, the locals will change a spelling from an original name... as in COLONET (Colnett) or SANTA CATARINA (Santa Catalina)...

Anyway, please don't take my Baja spell helping as anything more than trying to help... if not for you, then for the countless others reading Nomad for information!

Thank you!

rts551 - 4-19-2012 at 06:39 PM

David

I agree, but your English spelling, as has been pointed out before, is atrocious. Don't you think you aught to start there before criticizing others for their Spanish spelling.

Ralf

Rite.

woody with a view - 4-19-2012 at 06:54 PM

:light:

Skipjack Joe - 4-19-2012 at 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by David K

ENSENADA: Encinada, Ensinada

ENSENADA: Ensalada ?

:lol:

DavidE - 4-19-2012 at 07:12 PM

Y yo que siempre había creído que se dirigía a Bizcaino para hacer compras y pasar tal vez por la Cachanilla para visitar a amigos. Usted sabe Cachanilla, ¿correcto? Algunas personas locales no lo llaman Santa Rosalía.

Hace Sauvacito Amigos

Bajaboy - 4-19-2012 at 07:22 PM

And DK, your politics are even worse than your English :biggrin:

rts551 - 4-19-2012 at 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DavidE
Y yo que siempre había creído que se dirigía a Bizcaino para hacer compras y pasar tal vez por la Cachanilla para visitar a amigos. Usted sabe Cachanilla, ¿correcto? Algunas personas locales no lo llaman Santa Rosalía.

Hace Sauvacito Amigos

Cachania = una persona nativo de Mexicali (or something like that).

todos mis vecinos llaman Santa Rosalía es Cachania

Notice the correct spelling of cachania

Udo - 4-19-2012 at 07:27 PM

For those of us who work with Macs, we can chose the spell checker or checkers by designating multiple keyboards...and yes, the spell checker also works within BAJANOMAD.

DianaT - 4-19-2012 at 07:28 PM

Eye halve a spelling chequer
It came with my pea sea
It plainly marques four my revue
Miss steaks eye kin knot sea.

Eye strike a key and type a word
And weight four it two say
Weather eye am wrong oar write
It shows me strait a weigh.

As soon as a mist ache is maid
It nose bee fore two long
And eye can put the error rite
Its rarely ever wrong.

Eye have run this poem threw it
I am shore your pleased two no
Its letter perfect in it’s weigh
My chequer tolled me sew.

The English language is butchered around here --- and I know I am quite guilty of same. So often we read over there when their or they're would be correct, or it's which is not the possessive form of it, but is a contraction of it is. Or mis spell is really misspell and so often right is used instead of correct. So what? Does it matter?

Sorry David, but it just seems so petty everytime----opps, that is every time you feel compelled to correct someone. Is it really a matter of respect? I don't think so----opps, at one time Ferna requested that we do not use English contractions as they are difficult for Spanish speakers.

In addition, names like Tiajuana were common in times past. Baha is often used by some Europeans. In Vizcaino, one can find signs that spell it Viscaino. Is the language español or castellano---the prefered name in many countries.

Just my thoughts on the subject.

rts551 - 4-19-2012 at 07:33 PM

Incomplete sentence Dianat.

dtbushpilot - 4-19-2012 at 07:33 PM

DK, what did you hope to gain with this thread? Do you need a good slapping around or what?.....dt

rts551 - 4-19-2012 at 07:34 PM

KICK ME. comes to mind

DianaT - 4-19-2012 at 07:36 PM

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Originally posted by rts551
Incomplete sentence Dianat.

And it is DianaT --- not Dianat.

DianaT - 4-19-2012 at 07:39 PM

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Originally posted by rts551
KICK ME. comes to mind

Affirmation also comes to mind. :biggrin:

El Vergel - 4-19-2012 at 07:46 PM

Arocdnicg to rsceearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn’t mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer are in the rghit pcale. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit pobelrm. Tihs is buseace the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

...and in defense of my good friend David, I love it when he correcsts me! It helps keep me on the straight and narrow, as he well knows just how shifty, crooked and wide open I am. Thank you for this post, David! I still have a problem mispelling Puertecitos, but you always know where I am!!!

[Edited on 4-23-2012 by El Vergel]

Ateo - 4-19-2012 at 09:12 PM

In defense of David K, I've had many debates with people calling Santa Rosalia - Santa Rosalillita, especially surfers. They say "there isn't surf in Santa Rosalia" when i said the correct pronunciation - Santa Rosalillita - and I say check your spelling. Usually it's dudes who've been to Baja once or twice and don't know where the hell they are.

Having said that, people make mistakes - we all do - I do. Spelling is just us, a basic chimp, on a keyboard, trying to write what we think. We make mistakes. I say forget about it! Go experience the world and Baja! And generally there IS NO SURF at Santa Rosalillita! I've never surfed it bigger than 6 inches.

Ateo - 4-19-2012 at 09:19 PM

Oh.....and just to muddy the waters more, I couldn't give a crap if someone spells a Baja town wrong. People do it all the time on here, I probably have, and oh well.......we are all learning.

The more experience you have in a town or region, the more accurate you will get. Ask a Mexican who came to Carlsbad to spell Oceanside, Camp Pendleton, Chicago, or Rhode Island. They'll probably get it wrong, and oh well.....it's a language thing and it's in our brain wiring.

DavidE - 4-19-2012 at 10:37 PM

Oh good lord I'm going to have to run down to Cachanilla and tell them they've been doing it all wrong for a hundred years! Adding doble eles in place of the dipthong ia has been going on for I have no idea long in the Spanish language. Try dealing with the letter X instead of jota, and an endless number of other variances, many due to Nuhuatl infusion into the language. For centuries a Mexican would have thought you crazy to call a turkey a pavo. The word pavo caught on in Bajas Californias, but replacing guajolote took until just recently on the mainland. Many now refer to a barnyard turkey as pavo and free range turkey as guajolote. Being from Arizona, you must be familar with I-19. One of the cross highways is named Palo Parado. A good slang term for hard-0n. On I-5 in California are two highways named Panocha or Panoche. A word you do not want to use in Mixed Company in Mexico.

BTW: Seemingly a thousand zonas urbanos in Mexico have been nick-named Cachanilla or cachania. If you make a spelling error the locals are very forgiving. The cachanilla I was referring to is Sta Rosalia BCS.

Paz Amigo

chuckie - 4-20-2012 at 03:18 AM

HUH?

mtgoat666 - 4-20-2012 at 06:20 AM

dk:
i really want to improve my spanish, how do you translate these terms to spanish??
"anthropogenic global warming"
"right wing nut"
"senor, the sand is too soft, please let some hot air out of my tires"
"i apologize for mitt romney, please don't judge us americans by our GOP politicians"

:lol:

Cypress - 4-20-2012 at 06:41 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
dk:
i really want to improve my spanish, how do you translate these terms to spanish??
"anthropogenic global warming"
"right wing nut"
"senor, the sand is too soft, please let some hot air out of my tires"
"i apologize for mitt romney, please don't judge us americans by our GOP politicians" :lol:

Goat person, Are you obsessed or what. Turning a post about spelling into politics is a stretch. And thinking it's funny?

dtbushpilot - 4-20-2012 at 06:57 AM

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Originally posted by Cypress

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Goat person, Are you obsessed or what. Turning a post about spelling into politics is a stretch. And thinking it's funny?

It's funny because he beat DK to it :lol:

goldhuntress - 4-20-2012 at 07:00 AM

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Originally posted by Cypress

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Goat person, Are you obsessed or what. Turning a post about spelling into politics is a stretch. And thinking it's funny?

I thought it was funny. There's very few post on this board that don't get turned into something else. I got a kick out of this whole thread. Maybe I'm easily amused.

paranewbi - 4-20-2012 at 07:09 AM

I say Crucify him!
He doesn’t deny being a spelling King!
Equal to Caesar himself!
Yet…He shall rise again!

paranewbi - 4-20-2012 at 07:11 AM

Oh, sorry...not trying to hijack the subject

DavidE - 4-20-2012 at 07:28 AM

"Esta persona es muy radical. Él va por ahí diciendo a todo el mundo Porfirio
en realidad era un comunista en el traje".

"?Es posible para que por favor deje que todo el aire de mis llantas, así que mi carro tiene un aspecto como todos los otros carros gringos en la playa?"

"Dañar el medio ambiente mediante el uso de demasiada leña en los frijoles"

P-nche GRINGO TECLADA

Cypress - 4-20-2012 at 07:57 AM

A liberal's sense of humor is highly selective. In their view political jokes are only funny when a conservative is the butt of the joke.

J.P. - 4-20-2012 at 08:05 AM

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Originally posted by Cypress
A liberal's sense of humor is highly selective. In their view political jokes are only funny when a conservative is the butt of the joke.

IN DAVID K'S PLACE YES :lol:

David K - 4-20-2012 at 08:10 AM

It is neither personal or political or about bad spelling (of non- place names)... It is only to educate those who spell PLACES wrong.

Now, if you like being wrong (and many of you do, as proven by the stuff some of you post, lol) or if you don't like to learn (really funny seeing the two teachers here upset about teaching how to spell places correctly)... That is your trip! However, someone coming to Nomad to learn more about Baja sees any 'regulars' here spelling a place wrong, just what does that say?

Be a good ambassador to Baja travel, spell the places right... and ADD MORE that I didn't include in the short list above!

[Edited on 4-20-2012 by David K]

DianaT - 4-20-2012 at 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by David K
That is your trip! However, someone coming to Nomad to learn more about Baja sees any 'regulars' here spelling a place wrong, just what does that say?
[Edited on 4-20-2012 by David K]

It says the place is misspelled. :light:

Quote:

Originally posted by David K
Be a good ambassador to Baja travel, spell the places right... and ADD MORE that I didn't include in the short list above!

[Edited on 4-20-2012 by David K]

Opps, that would be "spell the places correctly". Then again, common usage might come into play here as the languages are not static. :saint:

[Edited on 4-20-2012 by DianaT]

Bajaboy - 4-20-2012 at 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by David K
It is neither personal or political or about bad spelling (of non- place names)... It is only to educate those who spell PLACES wrong.

Now, if you like being wrong (and many of you do, as proven by the stuff some of you post, lol) or if you don't like to learn (really funny seeing the two teachers here upset about teaching how to spell places correctly)... That is your trip! However, someone coming to Nomad to learn more about Baja sees any 'regulars' here spelling a place wrong, just what does that say?

Be a good ambassador to Baja travel, spell the places right... and ADD MORE that I didn't include in the short list above!

[Edited on 4-20-2012 by David K]

PLACES...how'd I do :lol:

Taco de Baja - 4-20-2012 at 08:35 AM

Is calling it "the Baja" a spelling issue, a grammatical issue, or just a a way to know the person's from Canada? :lol:

DianaT - 4-20-2012 at 08:36 AM

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Originally posted by Bajaboy

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PLACES...how'd I do :lol:

Excellent! Here is a happy face for your paper. :biggrin:

dtbushpilot - 4-20-2012 at 08:36 AM

You missed "the".. :lol:

Bajaboy - 4-20-2012 at 09:08 AM

Before I go to The Baja, I love to stock up at The Costco, The Trader Joes, and the gas station

Bob H - 4-20-2012 at 09:21 AM

Spell check and Grammer check this.... :lol:

Jalapeno, Jalapeno, Jalapeno, Jalapeno!

I've discovered a wonderful new philosphy that has raised my consciousness as well as my cholesterol.

It's called Mexistentialism.

It all started with the philosopher Juan-Paul Salsa, who wrote, "to Bean, or Nacho to Bean, that is the Queso."

He was followed by his great disciple, Descarta Blanca, who said, "I Pinto, therefore, Cayenne."

Some trace it to ancient Grease, where the great thinker Aristortilla wrote the book Plata's RePulpo.

Meanwhile, over in ancient India, they believed in Chili con Karma - that what Casa around, Carne's around.

And back in the Holy Land, The prophet Masa brought The Ten Comidas:
"Thou salt no tequila"
"Honor thy tamale and thy Papaya"
"Blessed are the Migas, for they shall Ranchero the Burps"
"Give a man an Enchilada, he'll Taco Mole"
"Arroz is Arroz by Flameada name"
"In the Picante, Guisada Cerveza'd the Hongas and the Verde. And he saw that it was Food"

I'd like to close by reciting The Lard's Prayer:

"Our Fajita, who are in Huevos, Pollo'd be Muy Bueno.
Thy Corona come, thy Chili be Con, on Cuervo it is El Jefe.
Forgive us our Tres Amigos, as we forgive those who Seis Salsas against us.
Lettuce not into Tomatillo, but Nuevo us from Fritos.
For thine is the Gringo, the Agua and the Chorizo.
In the name of the Flauta, and of the Flan, and of the Frijole ghost.

A-Menudo"

[Edited on 4-20-2012 by Bob H]

The Baja

DianaT - 4-20-2012 at 09:22 AM

I think, that maybe, perhaps, and possibly, THE BAJA might be correct, by golly. I always have referred to it as simply Baja, but upon reflection, I believe that to be incorrect --- or could it be wrong, or does wrong imply something moral?

Baja is a state that is only part of the peninsula. I think I spelled peninsula correctly.

Baja California Sur is another state.

Thus, to refer to Baja when referring to the entire peninsula it just can't be "Baja", can it??

I think those Canadians might be correct! The Baja would refer to all of the Baja peninsula.

Then there is the problem of common usage and that one is always a difficult one.

So many a newcomer might be very confused and wonder what we are all talking about ---- Baja or The Baja.

Cypress - 4-20-2012 at 09:23 AM

:biggrin:

rts551 - 4-20-2012 at 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DianaT
I think, that maybe, perhaps, and possibly, THE BAJA might be correct, by golly. I always have referred to it as simply Baja, but upon reflection, I believe that to be incorrect --- or could it be wrong, or does wrong imply something moral?

Baja is a state that is only part of the peninsula. I think I spelled peninsula correctly.

Baja California Sur is another state.

Thus, to refer to Baja when referring to the entire peninsula it just can't be "Baja", can it??

I think those Canadians might be correct! The Baja would refer to all of the Baja peninsula.

Then there is the problem of common usage and that one is always a difficult one.

So many a newcomer might be very confused and wonder what we are all talking about ---- Baja or The Baja.

Heavy stuff, guess I need to ask DK (the great educatoor) for the correct answer. (or is that the right answer?).

woody with a view - 4-20-2012 at 09:50 AM

perhaps baja is lower california
the baja is baja sur

but "BAJA" is certainly a state of mind....

Bajaboy - 4-20-2012 at 09:55 AM

So does mean one would go to The Mexico :?:

I think someone might have been trying to save pennies when having a shirt printed...instead of The Baja Pennisula they coined The Baja

David K - 4-20-2012 at 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bajaboy
So does mean one would go to The Mexico :?:

I think someone might have been trying to save pennies when having a shirt printed...instead of The Baja Pennisula they coined The Baja

It was a High Karate Aftershave commercial... showing an Eskimo in winter fur, running down the Baja 1000 road to illustrate how New 'Iced High Karate' could keep him cool... and it was THE aftershave... THAT BEAT THE BAJA!

Now, here is Dave Deal's cartoon (in Jimmy Smith's book) on the subject:

[Edited on 4-20-2012 by David K]

The Baja Map-r.JPG - 23kB

David K - 4-20-2012 at 10:29 AM

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Originally posted by Bob H
Spell check and Grammer check this.... :lol:

Wonderful Bob...

and to make an ñ for jalepeño, hold down Alt and press 1 6 4 (on the right hand numbers).

rts551 - 4-20-2012 at 11:25 AM

wait, let me post a map.

sancho - 4-20-2012 at 11:30 AM

Etymology In early historic mission documents — primarily baptism, marriage, and death records — there are mentions of the city with the names: La Tía Juana

Even J Serra spelled it incorrect, DK I have to say
you are consistant, this place wouldn't be the
same without you, a lighting rod for sure

Mula - 4-20-2012 at 11:38 AM

Then there is the Kalahari, the Sahara, the Namib. . . .
Deserts areas, all.

Bajatripper - 4-20-2012 at 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by El Vergel
Arocdnicg to rsceearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn’t mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer are in the rghit pcale. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit pobelrm. Tihs is buseace the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe

Nice, Vergel, and point well made (at least, in my mind).

Bajatripper - 4-20-2012 at 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress

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Goat person, Are you obsessed or what. Turning a post about spelling into politics is a stretch. And thinking it's funny?

I, for one, found it halarious.

rts551 - 4-20-2012 at 12:11 PM

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Originally posted by lencho

Quote:

Originally posted by Bajaboy
Before I go to The Baja, I love to stock up at The Costco, The Trader Joes, and the gas station

You ever been in Rocky Mountains? They're just west of Great Plains, a fair bit east of Pacific Ocean, and north of Mexican Border.

Maybe this will put it in perspective. From my collection of the maps.

Bajatripper - 4-20-2012 at 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DianaT
I think, that maybe, perhaps, and possibly, THE BAJA might be correct, by golly. I always have referred to it as simply
So many a newcomer might be very confused and wonder what we are all talking about ---- Baja or The Baja.

I'm told that Miguel Leon Portilla (Mexico's foremost anthropologist and historian) goes into a little tissy when he hears the peninsula referred to as The Baja.

Bajatripper - 4-20-2012 at 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sancho
Etymology In early historic mission documents — primarily baptism, marriage, and death records — there are mentions of the city with the names: La Tía Juana

Source(s), please.

Bajatripper - 4-20-2012 at 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by David K

Now, if you like being wrong (and many of you do, as proven by the stuff some of you post, lol) or if you don't like to learn ... That is your trip!

Funny, that's exactly how I feel about you and your political views, David.

rts551 - 4-20-2012 at 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bajatripper

Quote:

Originally posted by David K

Now, if you like being wrong (and many of you do, as proven by the stuff some of you post, lol) or if you don't like to learn ... That is your trip!

Funny, that's exactly how I feel about you and your political views, David.

It does provide insight into his persona. kinda scary

DianaT - 4-20-2012 at 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by rts551

Quote:

Originally posted by lencho

Quote:

Originally posted by Bajaboy
Before I go to The Baja, I love to stock up at The Costco, The Trader Joes, and the gas station

You ever been in Rocky Mountains? They're just west of Great Plains, a fair bit east of Pacific Ocean, and north of Mexican Border.

Maybe this will put it in perspective. From my collection of the maps.

woody with a view - 4-20-2012 at 12:46 PM

we need one for baja!

DianaT - 4-20-2012 at 12:48 PM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
perhaps baja is lower california
the baja is baja sur

but "BAJA" is certainly a state of mind....

Now, can you explain that state of mind. Is there only ONE correct state of mind, or are there several possibilities. Does this state of mind involve particular places and if so, please provide the GPS information. In the interest of being educated, we need to know. :biggrin:

woody with a view - 4-20-2012 at 01:02 PM

it's like porn. you know it when you see it. there are several versions of this state of mind depending on your own at the time. as for locations........

I-Know-Nothing.jpg - 45kB

Cypress - 4-20-2012 at 01:14 PM

:biggrin:

David K - 4-20-2012 at 02:11 PM

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Originally posted by rts551

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Originally posted by Bajatripper

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Originally posted by David K

Now, if you like being wrong (and many of you do, as proven by the stuff some of you post, lol) or if you don't like to learn ... That is your trip!

Funny, that's exactly how I feel about you and your political views, David.

It does provide insight into his persona. kinda scary

My 'scary persona' is

1) I love Baja and have since I was 8.

2) I love to share what I have discovered with others so they too might enjoy it.

3) I like to help others... be it to find a fun place to camp, find a mission site, spell a place correctly (for reasons that should be obvious), and whatever else I can do to help (irrigation, four wheeling, etc) ...

4) Have fun and have fun with others... camping, off roading, whatever...

and for the political twist you all have been waiting for:

5) To encourage everyone to believe in themselves and their ability to become great at what ever they do, without some big government agency dictating what they can do with their own money... to keep America free and as far from socialism (a proven failure everywhere it was tried) as possible.

Oh, and this is a discussion... opinions belong to ourselves and because I express some, does NOT mean I expect you to or even want you to... It is JUST discussion.

Have a NICE day! :yes:

Bajaboy - 4-20-2012 at 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by DianaT

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Originally posted by woody with a view
perhaps baja is lower california
the baja is baja sur

but "BAJA" is certainly a state of mind....

Wouldn't that be a state of The mind :?:

I thought you were only supposed to capitalize the first letter of a state?

rts551 - 4-20-2012 at 02:48 PM

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Originally posted by David K

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Originally posted by rts551

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Originally posted by Bajatripper

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Originally posted by David K

Now, if you like being wrong (and many of you do, as proven by the stuff some of you post, lol) or if you don't like to learn ... That is your trip!

Funny, that's exactly how I feel about you and your political views, David.

It does provide insight into his persona. kinda scary

My 'scary persona' is

1) I love Baja and have since I was 8.

*****so do a lot of people.

2) I love to share what I have discovered with others so they too might enjoy it.

********so do a lot of people

3) I like to help others... be it to find a fun place to camp, find a mission site, spell a place correctly (for reasons that should be obvious), and whatever else I can do to help (irrigation, four wheeling, etc) ...

*****so do a lot of people....well maybe not the irrigation part

4) Have fun and have fun with others... camping, off roading, whatever...

****a lot of people do this way more than you do

and for the political twist you all have been waiting for:

5) To encourage everyone to believe in themselves and their ability to become great at what ever they do, without some big government agency dictating what they can do with their own money... to keep America free and as far from socialism (a proven failure everywhere it was tried) as possible.

*****are you an example of what happens with all this so called freedom? just askin

Oh, and this is a discussion... opinions belong to ourselves and because I express some, does NOT mean I expect you to or even want you to... It is JUST discussion.

******huh... you want to give your opinion but don't want ours.. now this is where it stats to get scary.

Have a NICE day! :yes:

Yes it was a nice day. Why do all these people do the same things with out being a magnet for ridicule? You need to ask yourself that.

And David, you left out the part about how other people are wrong and you are just educating them. Do you see where this is headed.

Have a nice day. Hopethis helps you out a little.

David K - 4-20-2012 at 03:11 PM

Oh indeed Ralph, you are so very wise... I wonder how I got by all these years (I will be 55 this year, btw)?

Maybe, just maybe... you and others who feel the need to ridicule may need some of what I got... to just get along? Only a very few are bothered by another's attempt to help or teach. How many have come to your Viva Baja parties or Baja camping/ off roading adventures? Or, do you just speak from behind the keyboard and avoid others in person?

I make an effort to be open to fellow Baja enthusiasts, so they can have a better time or just be friendly... no other reason. There is no politics on the trail either (you can ask BajaTripper)... I don't hate... I just share, and if you don't want what I give... nobody is making you read my posts.

DavidE - 4-20-2012 at 04:17 PM

For your info my two adopted grand daughters refer to their privates (in private) as "la baja". Like teenage American girls do with "Down There".

Chilango slang refers to "La Baja" as "A Downer, A Drag"

Jarocho slang sometimes refers to "Bien Baja" as getting screwed.

Baja California is unmistakeable with Mexicans especially traditional older ones.

"The Baja" zeroes the other person into the fact that you are from above the 45th latitude.

My only concern is not insulting Mexicans.

sancho - 4-20-2012 at 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bajatripper

Quote:

Originally posted by sancho
Etymology In early historic mission documents — primarily baptism, marriage, and death records — there are mentions of the city with the names: La Tía Juana

Source(s), please.

Here's one, I'll get you more if you want
http://www.enotes.com/topic/Tijuana#Etymology

rts551 - 4-20-2012 at 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by David K
Oh indeed Ralph, you are so very wise... I wonder how I got by all these years (I will be 55 this year, btw)?

***55 does not make you wise my friend.

Maybe, just maybe... you and others who feel the need to ridicule may need some of what I got... to just get along? Only a very few are bothered by another's attempt to help or teach. How many have come to your Viva Baja parties or Baja camping/ off roading adventures? Or, do you just speak from behind the keyboard and avoid others in person?

You know better. I don't need anything you got (sic). I Traveled Baja (the Baja) more than you, and now live there with many friends, You know that so don't play the BS card out of frustration. True, though, I have no need to go to your Viva Baja parties.

I make an effort to be open to fellow Baja enthusiasts, so they can have a better time or just be friendly... no other reason. There is no politics on the trail either (you can ask BajaTripper)... I don't hate... I just share, and if you don't want what I give... nobody is making you read my posts.

Then do the same on the internet.

David K - 4-20-2012 at 04:53 PM

Why do you insert some of your reply inside my quote...?

I didn't write any of this:

"You know better. I don't need anything you got (sic). I Traveled Baja (the Baja) more than you, and now live there with many friends, You know that so don't play the BS card out of frustration. True, though, I have no need to go to your Viva Baja parties."

You put down 'got' then added '(sic)'... Why, so it looked like you correcting me for not using 'have'???

Too bad you didn't discover 'the Baja feeling' that typically makes people nice to each other... Can you find any place I have not been nice to you, ever that wasn't in defense of something you were negative to me about already? You can't, it isn't my M.O. I have many times asked for a truce, and I am again now... it is getting old.

CortezBlue - 4-20-2012 at 09:59 PM

I think we should change his handle from David K

to

David KIA

"Know It All"

David K - 4-21-2012 at 09:49 AM

Why does information and facts bother you? I don't know it all, but I do try to learn something every day... If spelling Baja places wrong means so much to you, then don't worry if others might want to spell it right. Okay amigo? CHILL... I know it's very hot in Feenicks, Aridzona! :lol:

CortezBlue - 4-21-2012 at 01:55 PM

DavidKIA

I assume that you think that if you think it or type it is information and knowledge? But not everyone on here, as you can tell by the posts, doesn't agree.

It is kinda of like listening to Al Gore talk about inventing the internet or discussing carbon credits.

You really should talk to a professional about your need or craving for attention. At your age is more embarrassing than impressive.

Stick to your core strengths about Baja history and facts and you will do fine.

David K - 4-21-2012 at 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CortezBlue
DavidKIA

I assume that you think that if you think it or type it is information and knowledge? But not everyone on here, as you can tell by the posts, doesn't agree.

It is kinda of like listening to Al Gore talk about inventing the internet or discussing carbon credits.

You really should talk to a professional about your need or craving for attention. At your age is more embarrassing than impressive.

Stick to your core strengths about Baja history and facts and you will do fine.

Since I am not 'DavidKIA', I won't bother with the drivel you typed... Address me with my Nomad name correctly spelled, and I will be happy to consider your words. :lol:

rts551 - 4-21-2012 at 03:46 PM

KIA.... been looking for the facts. Have not seen any from you lately.

chuckie - 4-21-2012 at 03:47 PM

Hey guys, just quit...aint worth it ...

DavidE - 4-21-2012 at 03:55 PM

Oops, oh stupid me. I thought I had clicked on Baja Nomad. Wherever the hell THIS is I gotta erase it off the directory.

CortezBlue - 4-21-2012 at 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by David K

Quote:

Since I am not 'DavidKIA', I won't bother with the drivel you typed... Address me with my Nomad name correctly spelled, and I will be happy to consider your words. :lol:

Once you are labeled by me, it sticks. It is an art for me, ask my friend Flounder

Skipjack Joe - 4-21-2012 at 07:51 PM

David,

This is a kick me thread if ever I saw one. And you're getting kicked. But you knew this when you started. What possessed you to do so? I don't understand the workings of your mind.

It is all so predictable that I feel no desire to participate. Perhaps that's how you 'win'. Is that it? You outlast your critics. It's all too bizarre.

It's probably about attention. Your posts are so valuable. Why diminish yourself with this nonsense.

[Edited on 4-22-2012 by Skipjack Joe]

David K - 4-21-2012 at 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
David,

This is a kick me thread if ever I saw one. And you're getting kicked. But you knew this when you started. What possessed you to do so? I don't understand the workings of your mind.

It is all so predictable that I feel no desire to participate. Perhaps that's how you 'win'. Is that it? You outlast your critics. It's all too bizarre.

It's probably about attention. Your posts are so valuable. Why diminish yourself with this nonsense.

[Edited on 4-22-2012 by Skipjack Joe]

Well, the real children of Nomad make themselves noticed, that's for sure... I really hoped to communicate with adults here. I can have fun like anyone, but to be upset because I like to be correct on how the places in Baja we all love are spelled... is silly. Either enjoy the free information found here or move on, but to hang around a thread that you don't like, and throw tomatoes is pretty weird, I would say.

The real kick is the school teachers here who like to put me down... for teaching the correct Baja spelling! :lol:

Oh, to those of you who u2u'd me ... don't worry, the anti-facterites won't discourage me... Teach on! :light:

woody with a view - 4-21-2012 at 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CortezBlue
Once you are labeled by me, it sticks. It is an art for me, ask my friend Flounder

David K - 4-21-2012 at 09:32 PM

Thanks for the laugh Woody :lol:

Islandbuilder - 4-21-2012 at 09:33 PM

If you don't want to discuss correct spelling for places along the Baja Peninsula, there's really no reason to post in this thread.
If you want to expose yourselves as people who hate a guy who posts a lot of very helpful maps and Baja History information, I suggest you go to off-topic and start a thread about how stupid it is to be a conservative, and how conservatives are all stupid and selfish and then mis-spell their names on purpose so we can all see how evolved you are..........

Jeeze, sometimes this place makes my heart hurt,,,,,

DianaT - 4-21-2012 at 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Islandbuilder
If you don't want to discuss correct spelling for places along the Baja Peninsula, there's really no reason to post in this thread.
If you want to expose yourselves as people who hate a guy who posts a lot of very helpful maps and Baja History information, I suggest you go to off-topic and start a thread about how stupid it is to be a conservative, and how conservatives are all stupid and selfish and then mis-spell their names on purpose so we can all see how evolved you are..........

Jeeze, sometimes this place makes my heart hurt,,,,,

Have politics come into this thread??? I don't think so.

Are there more many sides to history? I think so, but has any of that come into this thread? I don't think so

Are all conservatives stupid? I don't think so, and I sure have not seen where that came into this thread.

Why was this thread created? Well.................

Skipjack Joe - 4-21-2012 at 09:59 PM

My point is that the response was so predictable. So why start.

Is the correct spelling so important to go through this. Obviously the detractors don't find it very important. So it's like rubbing a sore over and over. Where's the pleasure. Or is that the pleasure. Isn't the point to enjoy reading info on this website.

Then there are those who say don't look. I always get a kick out of that. Because those that say it, looked at your response and responded. So how am I to respond to don't look. In the same way - don't look at my response to the response you don't think I should look. It's absurd. It is safe to completely ignore such an admonition. And yet it's so common.

[Edited on 4-22-2012 by Skipjack Joe]

Barry A. - 4-21-2012 at 10:08 PM

What constantly amazes me is that some of us are so concerned with "motives". Personally, I don't care about "motives", just the wonderful information that is posted here, by almost everyone. Why they do it is irrelevant (sp?) to me, and none of the relevant information is annoying to me. (actually only whining annoys me) :lol:

Barry

Islandbuilder - 4-21-2012 at 10:16 PM

As one who trys, but often fails, to do things correctly (was going to say "right", but I know how that word offends some......), I appreciate seeing the common errors side by side with the correct spellings. I have made more than one of the listed errors, probably more than once each.

It seems like it doesn't matter what DK posts, he gets bashed. My sense is that it has nothing to do with the content of his posts, but that many know, and disagree with his politics. I think that unless the topic involves politics (in which case it should be in OT) politics should remain unmentioned. Just too divisive an area, and it wrecks some good conversations that would benefit many new comers.

Sorry Diana, perhaps I was projecting, but I saw some political references in this thread long before DK brought it up. Some here have a very sore spot when it comes to DK, and are very, very quick to pounce on him, even when he's being "good". Seems like the lines are drawn along personal politics line. I feel that he usually uses a good deal of restraint in replying to the many attacks that come his way.

But enough of that. Time to go to Pompano's thread and feel good about BN again.

Skipjack Joe - 4-21-2012 at 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Barry A.

What constantly amazes me is that some of us are so concerned with "motives".
Barry

Sorry Barry,

I analyze and try to understand everything. It's my way. Whether it's ramuma's motives or a cave dwellers.

A simple description is informative but less interesting to me.

If you don't like what I write don't read it.
:lol:

Bajatripper - 4-21-2012 at 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lencho

Quote:

Originally posted by Bajatripper
I'm told that Miguel Leon Portilla (Mexico's foremost anthropologist and historian) goes into a little tissy when he hears the peninsula referred to as The Baja.

In English or Spanish? If Spanish, that seems odd:

Lencho, I think you know enough Spanish to not confuse "La Baja California" with "The Baja." So does Leon Portilla.

Bajatripper - 4-21-2012 at 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sancho

Quote:

Originally posted by Bajatripper

Quote:

Originally posted by sancho
Etymology In early historic mission documents — primarily baptism, marriage, and death records — there are mentions of the city with the names: La Tía Juana

Source(s), please.

Here's one, I'll get you more if you want
http://www.enotes.com/topic/Tijuana#Etymology

Sorry, but that isn't much of a source. I was hoping you might have an historical account written by someone with gravitas in the subject.

Skipjack Joe - 4-21-2012 at 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Islandbuilder

It seems like it doesn't matter what DK posts, he gets bashed.

It's true that there are alliances among nomads. I think that no nomad would agree to this. Yet it's plain to see. I think you're right that it breaks down on politics. Yet this thread is not political.

I agree with Barry that David is probably the most knowledgable nomad on baja. I am constantly amazed at the information he finds. A dedication that's truly amazing. He's weak in science and I ding him with that but that's so infrequent.

But there are signs of change. Woody has clearly tired of the game and has withdrawn. He's his own man now. He left his alliance and I greatly admire that. There is little friction between the two now. They respect one another.

[Edited on 4-22-2012 by Skipjack Joe]

Bajatripper - 4-21-2012 at 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CortezBlue
DavidKIA

It is kinda of like listening to Al Gore talk about inventing the internet ...

Funny you should mention that. While he may not have invented it, Al Gore did have much to do with its development:

By Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf

Al Gore was the first political leader to recognize the importance of the
Internet and to promote and support its development.

No one person or even small group of persons exclusively "invented" the
Internet. It is the result of many years of ongoing collaboration among
people in government and the university community. But as the two people
who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the
Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore's contributions as a
Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected official, to
our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of
time.

Last year the Vice President made a straightforward statement on his role.
He said: "During my service in the United States Congress I took the
initiative in creating the Internet." We don't think, as some people have
argued, that Gore intended to claim he "invented" the Internet. Moreover,
there is no question in our minds that while serving as Senator, Gore's
initiatives had a significant and beneficial effect on the still-evolving
Internet. The fact of the matter is that Gore was talking about and
promoting the Internet long before most people were listening. We feel it
is timely to offer our perspective.

As far back as the 1970s Congressman Gore promoted the idea of high speed
telecommunications as an engine for both economic growth and the
improvement of our educational system. He was the first elected official
to grasp the potential of computer communications to have a broader impact
than just improving the conduct of science and scholarship. Though easily
forgotten, now, at the time this was an unproven and controversial
concept. Our work on the Internet started in 1973 and was based on even
earlier work that took place in the mid-late 1960s. But the Internet, as
we know it today, was not deployed until 1983. When the Internet was still
in the early stages of its deployment, Congressman Gore provided
intellectual leadership by helping create the vision of the potential
benefits of high speed computing and communication. As an example, he
sponsored hearings on how advanced technologies might be put to use in
areas like coordinating the response of government agencies to natural
disasters and other crises.

As a Senator in the 1980s Gore urged government agencies to consolidate
what at the time were several dozen different and unconnected networks
into an "Interagency Network." Working in a bi-partisan manner with
officials in Ronald Reagan and George Bush's administrations, Gore secured
the passage of the High Performance Computing and Communications Act in
1991. This "Gore Act" supported the National Research and Education
Network (NREN) initiative that became one of the major vehicles for the
spread of the Internet beyond the field of computer science.

As Vice President Gore promoted building the Internet both up and out, as
well as releasing the Internet from the control of the government agencies
that spawned it. He served as the major administration proponent for
continued investment in advanced computing and networking and private
sector initiatives such as Net Day. He was and is a strong proponent of
extending access to the network to schools and libraries. Today,
approximately 95% of our nation's schools are on the Internet. Gore
provided much-needed political support for the speedy privatization of the
Internet when the time arrived for it to become a commercially-driven
operation.

There are many factors that have contributed to the Internet's rapid
growth since the later 1980s, not the least of which has been political
support for its privatization and continued support for research in
advanced networking technology. No one in public life has been more
intellectually engaged in helping to create the climate for a thriving
Internet than the Vice President. Gore has been a clear champion of this
effort, both in the councils of government and with the public at large.

The Vice President deserves credit for his early recognition of the value
of high speed computing and communication and for his long-term and
consistent articulation of the potential value of the Internet to American
citizens and industry and, indeed, to the rest of the world.

Skipjack Joe - 4-21-2012 at 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bajatripper

Quote:

Originally posted by CortezBlue
DavidKIA

It is kinda of like listening to Al Gore talk about inventing the internet ...

Funny you should mention that. While he may not have invented it, Al Gore did have much to do with its development:

"During my service in the United States Congress I took the
initiative in creating the Internet."
.

Inventing and creating sound so similar. It's understandble. A very poor choice of wording by Mr Gore. He was more of a promoter. No wonder the right is laughing. Nobody is interested in the details above. The phrase says it all and that's what's so damaging. Just my opinion.

Barry A. - 4-22-2012 at 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skipjack Joe

Quote:

Originally posted by Barry A.

What constantly amazes me is that some of us are so concerned with "motives".
Barry

Good one, Skipjack!!!! :lol:

----but I was not really taking direct aim at you specifically-----it was a generic comment. I read everybody's posts if the subject line appeals to me, and even when I post my opinion it does not mean that I am annoyed with ANYBODY----I am not unless it is a personal attack against somebody (especially me).

You are a good poster, SkipJack.

Barry

Skipjack Joe - 4-22-2012 at 08:27 AM

Well thanks, Barry,

I always thought I irritated you. Just goes to show how hard it is to interpret posts.

woody with a view - 4-22-2012 at 08:31 AM

that just means you'll have to try harder! :lol:

Barry A. - 4-22-2012 at 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by woody with a view
that just means you'll have to try harder! :lol:

-----won't work----I am sorta Autistic when it comes to being "irritated"----very little irritates me, and certainly not SkipJack. His "Sistine Chapel" thread is outstanding!!!!

Barry

Skipjack Joe - 4-22-2012 at 08:50 AM

Who knew? You post and don't know where things will go. I learned so much.

I'll never again confuse Cochimi with sashimi <groan>.

David K - 4-22-2012 at 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
My point is that the response was so predictable. So why start.

Is the correct spelling so important to go through this. Obviously the detractors don't find it very important. So it's like rubbing a sore over and over. Where's the pleasure. Or is that the pleasure. Isn't the point to enjoy reading info on this website.

Then there are those who say don't look. I always get a kick out of that. Because those that say it, looked at your response and responded. So how am I to respond to don't look. In the same way - don't look at my response to the response you don't think I should look. It's absurd. It is safe to completely ignore such an admonition. And yet it's so common.

[Edited on 4-22-2012 by Skipjack Joe]

Gee wiz, I was just offering free geography here and because of mostly CortezBlue, I decided to explain WHY...

Read the first post I made... It explains it all... For Diana T and others to 'read' more into it, that isn't the case... For Igor, I explained why... I don't care if a few don't like that I try and show the correct spelling... A loss for them, perhaps.

It is about learning and fun! That's all!!

If you don't want to have fun, why go to Baja, why be on Baja Nomad??

Okay amigos? Chill out and have a great day!

Bajatripper - 4-22-2012 at 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
"During my service in the United States Congress I took the
initiative in creating the Internet."
.

Again, one sees what one wants to see, as you just demonstrated, Skip. He didn't even say that he "created" the Internet, which sounds like what you are implying. He said "he took the initiative in creating." Perhaps it's a small nuance, but it speaks volumes in how things are often taken by the Right and used to obfuscate the real issue, which is often that the Right hasn't a clue about something so they distract by denigrating it. Another excellent example of this technique is how Senator John Kerry's military record in Viet Nam (and Al Gore's for that matter) was distorted and smeared to distract from the fact that candidate Bush spent the war in the Texas Air National Guard (where he knew he'd never have to fly a combat mission over enemy territory), complements of his father having friends in high places and pulling strings to get Jr. an appointment into it when he never would have managed it on his own. And the man couldn't even fulfill that task with honor, having deserted the post before his time was up. But what was the issue that was discussed in the media during the campaign? Whether or not Kerry went into Cambodian waters illegally while on patrol in his river boat gunship during the war and what he did with HIS medals after the war.

That, my friend, is what the whole Al-Gore-said-he-invented-the-Internet crap was really all about. Take something the man is good at (being a nerd in science and having seen the future applications of something so unfathomable in the 1970s) and making it a big negative, as in "HE LIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

And--the best part--the Right then accuses the Left of being the ones who engage in this parctice, closing the circle, I suppose.

But I think you are wrong in saying nobody cares about the details above. There is likely one or two of you on the Right who still care about the truth. It isn't much, but it's a start. And the rest of you, keep wallowing in your ignorance while your party takes this country into Third-World status. And good luck on the adjustment in lifestyle, one the Left is more at ease with anyway.

And now...Back to Baja, where I'm enjoying a nice sunny day in La Paz. Since it isn't humid yet, all is good.

PS I'm not a David K basher, I get along great with the guy and often wonder how many of his detractors here know him in person. In fact, we will be hosting David and his wife this summer (con el favor de Dios, as they say in these parts). Of course, my house, my rules.

Rule No. 1: Don't Talk Back :lol:

[Edited on 4-22-2012 by Bajatripper]

Skipjack Joe - 4-22-2012 at 01:01 PM

Yes it's amazing that both Kerry and Gore lost to that nincomepoop. It's clear to me that most vote for the face and not the platform. And Bush comes off as a very personable man. A guy you'd like to invite to your bbq. And that's why Romney will fail. Think why JFK succeded. Think why Dukakis failed so miserably. Clinton, Reagan - both very charismatic.

But I still feel that Gore 'lied' because he exaggerated his contribution. He merely facilitated a technology which was all developed by others. And this exaggeration has made him a laughing stock.

This may be off the mark:
When we came to the US my dad set to work and supported us. Later, for one year mom got a job at the Hilton. That money was used as a down payment for the house. Later mom boasted "I bought this house". That's interesting. Dad would say, "You mean I've worked all my life at higher wages and couldn't buy it yet you did it with one year's work?" And that's how many feel about Gore's statement. He bought the house.

Barry A. - 4-22-2012 at 01:09 PM

SkipJack-------If you had ever dealt with Romney eyeball to eyeball you would feel differently. He is VERY personable and can be charismatic. Of course we all respond to different things. I never have thought that Barrack was "charismatic", but I am in a minority. To me he talks down to everybody, and panders excessively, but that is just my perception.

I can relate to Mitt---------maybe others can too. We will see. He certainly offers the "hope & change" that I have been looking for in a leader, and perhaps our last hope to reverse this disastrous course we have been on for the past 6 years, or so.

Barry

[Edited on 4-22-2012 by Barry A.]

[Edited on 4-22-2012 by Barry A.]

Skipjack Joe - 4-22-2012 at 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by David K

Quote:

Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
My point is that the response was so predictable. So why start.

Is the correct spelling so important to go through this. Obviously the detractors don't find it very important. So it's like rubbing a sore over and over. Where's the pleasure. Or is that the pleasure. Isn't the point to enjoy reading info on this website.

Then there are those who say don't look. I always get a kick out of that. Because those that say it, looked at your response and responded. So how am I to respond to don't look. In the same way - don't look at my response to the response you don't think I should look. It's absurd. It is safe to completely ignore such an admonition. And yet it's so common.

[Edited on 4-22-2012 by Skipjack Joe]

Gee wiz, I was just offering free geography here and because of mostly CortezBlue, I decided to explain WHY...

Read the first post I made... It explains it all... For Diana T and others to 'read' more into it, that isn't the case... For Igor, I explained why... I don't care if a few don't like that I try and show the correct spelling... A loss for them, perhaps.

It is about learning and fun! That's all!!

If you don't want to have fun, why go to Baja, why be on Baja Nomad??

Okay amigos? Chill out and have a great day!

Can you just answer the question?

Is that it? You just don't care? You don't care that you're rubbing that sore over and over. Why?

Can you try to reconsider?

[Edited on 4-22-2012 by Skipjack Joe]

Skipjack Joe - 4-22-2012 at 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Barry A.

I never have thought that Barrack was "charismatic", but I am in a minority. To me he talks down to everybody, and panders excessively, but that is just my perception.

Barry,

How does an unknown give a speech at a National Convention and become a superstar? How does one beat a powerhouse like Hillary. Their platforms were identical. But instead of a scowl you get a grin. We'll see about Romney. I'm almost always wrong about politics, and rarely interested.

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