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Newport to Ensenada Race-Collision leaves 3 dead

bajario - 4-29-2012 at 07:48 AM

Prayers out to all families involved.

A yacht racing off the coasts of California and Mexico apparently collided with a much larger vessel, killing three crew members and leaving one missing, a sailing organization said early Sunday.

The Newport Ocean Sailing Association was hosting the 125-mile Newport, California to Ensenada, Mexico yacht race when the collision occurred late Friday or early Saturday several miles off the coast near the border.

"An investigation was continuing, but it appeared the damage was not inflicted by an explosion but by a collision with a ship much larger than the 37-foot vessel," association spokesman Rich Roberts said in a news release early Sunday.

Three crew members of a sailboat were found dead and a search was under way early Sunday for a fourth, in the state's second ocean racing tragedy this month.

Coast Guard boats and two aircraft as well as Mexican navy and civilian vessels were searching for the missing crew member.

Other yachts near the Coronado Islands in Mexico reported seeing debris Saturday morning. Searchers in the afternoon found the bodies and debris from the Aegean, whose home port is Redondo Beach, Coast Guard Petty Officer Henry Dunphy said

Two of the dead were recovered by a civilian boat, while the third was found by a Coast Guard helicopter.

The Coast Guard said earlier that it hadn't determined what happened to the sailboat.

Dunphy said conditions were fine for sailing, with good visibility and moderate ocean swells of 6-to-8 feet.

A total of 210 boats were registered in the 65th annual yacht race, according to the Newport Ocean Sailing Association's website. It wasn't immediately clear how many finished.

The association's commodore, reached by phone in Ensenada, told The Associated Press that he didn't know the members of the Aegean or how many people were aboard.

"This has never happened in the entire 65 years of the race that I'm aware of," Chuck Iverson said. "We're all shocked by this whole event."

The names of the dead were not released pending notification of next of kin.

The Coronado Islands are four small, largely uninhabited islands about 15 miles south of San Diego.

The deaths come two weeks after five sailors died in the waters off Northern California when their 38-foot yacht was hit by powerful waves, smashed into rocks and capsized during a race.

Three sailors survived the wreck and the body of another was quickly recovered. Four remained missing until one body was recovered last Thursday.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/29/3-dead-1-missing-in-mis...

BajaBlanca - 4-29-2012 at 09:27 AM

jeez. terrible news ..... RIP sailors.

Udo - 4-29-2012 at 10:59 AM

I crewed on several friend's boats in year's past. This usually is a big party for all involved, and attention to sailing the boats is not high on the priority list for the majority of the boats.

DENNIS - 4-29-2012 at 11:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Udo
I crewed on several friend's boats in year's past. This usually is a big party for all involved, and attention to sailing the boats is not high on the priority list for the majority of the boats.



Yeah....it's a downhill beer run. I noticed the participation is about half of what it used to be.

Newport to Ensenada Race

skippermike - 4-29-2012 at 01:00 PM

I have sailed in approx. 30 Newport to Ensenada races, and an equal number of S.D. to Ensenada races - being on a class winning boat a few times. We did pay atttention and sailed the best we could. Additionally, I have made a number of yacht deliveries up the Baja coast that transitted that route.

"Back in the day" there were +/- 400 boats entered.
Then, with the Baja Fear taking over, particularly for people north of S.D., the number of entrants fell off.
An alternative race was started that finished in S.D. - it has attracted a good number of participants.

A very real hazard has emerged in the tuna pens off So. Coronado Island. They are very poorly marked, and poorly lit at night. In addition, there are often large steel barges anchored off the Island, along with work boats and tugs - also poorly marked.

We have had a number of boats coming to our boat yard for repairs after incidents with the above.

While I don't pretend to know what happened to these unfortunate souls, I wouldn't automatically attribute the accident to drinking and inattention - there are many manmade hazards in the area. Deepest condolences to their families.

Someone who hasn't transited the area multiple times might not be fully aware of the hazards ahead.

Just saying ...

Cypress - 4-29-2012 at 01:16 PM

A big ship ran 'em down, didn't see 'em. Didn't even know they were there. They might be able to get some paint smears off some of the newly arrived vessels.

DENNIS - 4-29-2012 at 02:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by skippermike
I wouldn't automatically attribute the accident to drinking and inattention - there are many manmade hazards in the area.


No one said that. Mike. We commented on the spirit of the "race" from it's inception.

"A yacht racing off the coasts of California and Mexico apparently collided with a much larger vessel"
-------------------------


Does that not indicate inattention to the radar on board? Where do I miss the point?

That Rundown Feeling

MrBillM - 4-29-2012 at 05:49 PM

As said by the Charter Company when we Bare-boated in the BVIs, the MOST important rule to follow IS "De Bigga Boat has De Right O' Way".

More so for those BIG Ships. No watch on ANY ship is likely to sight a sailboat, especially at night.

Sailing the Catalina Channel many times years ago and dealing with the traffic into and out of San Pedro/Long Beach I have been made aware of how fast those ships close on you.

And, depending on position, can throw (from a LONG distance) a "Wind Shadow" that leaves you with slack sails.

Well Said, Mr. BillM

Gypsy Jan - 4-29-2012 at 05:55 PM

I am a sailor and every time, I am reminded that the ocean is an unforgiving mistress.

One turn of circumstance and you can be locked into a situation you cannot control.

God bless those lost souls.

GJ

Newport to Ensenada Race

skippermike - 4-29-2012 at 05:56 PM

Sorry, I reacted to:
"attention to sailing the boats is not high on the priority list for the majority of the boats."
"Yeah....it's a downhill beer run. "

From having been watching radar on larger boats, small fiberglass sailboats, unless they have a radar reflector up, are not a great target. Having said that, watch standing on some large ships may not be what it should.

A tragedy that should not have happened, for sure.

Unless, as Cypress says, the CG is able to trace some collision evidence no one may ever know what really happened.

oxxo - 4-29-2012 at 06:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by skippermike
From having been watching radar on larger boats, small fiberglass sailboats, unless they have a radar reflector up, are not a great target. Having said that, watch standing on some large ships may not be what it should.


I have transitted this area in a 40 foot trawler yacht. A mexican fishing trawler, larger and faster than us, challenged us off Ensenada one night (he made an abrupt 90 deg. change of course to engage us from about one or two miles away) about 1am in the morning to the point we had to make a U turn. Evidently we were about to run over his nets. I can give no other explanation other than he wanted us and all the others in the area out of "his" waters. It was a near collision and would have turned out worse had we not taken immediate evasive action. We were on the radio in English and Spanish with horns blaring but we got no response. However, other boats in the flotilla heard our frantic calls. We kept turning away but he would match our course changes to stay on a collision course. He came so close we could see him in the lighted pilot house giving us the single digit Mexican salute. When we turned 180 away, he resumed his orginal course.

Two questions for you skippermike:

I am puzzled why there were no emergency radio calls from the doomed vessel prior to the collision if they were run down by a large ship. There were several boats in the flotilla who were nearby, yet apparently they heard nothing from the vessel prior to thhe mishap. Any theories on this?

What do you think the chances are this boat struck a large whale............or a submarine? Two years ago, one of the Baja Ha Ha boats was sunk by a whale in this general area. Fortunately those aboard got off an emergency call and all aboard were rescued from the sea unharmed.

A new report by AP

durrelllrobert - 4-29-2012 at 07:15 PM

....ENSENADA, Mexico (AP) — A 37-foot racing yacht was reduced to debris that looked it "like it had gone through a blender," a searcher said Sunday after the boat apparently collided with a larger vessel, killing three sailors and leaving a fourth missing.

Race officials said they had few explanations for what may have happened to the Aegean other than it must have collided with ship like a freighter or tanker that did not see the smaller vessel. The Coast Guard said conditions were fine for sailing, with good visibility and moderate ocean swells of 6-to-8 feet.

If the smaller boat was bobbing around in light wind, the crew might not have been able to get out of the way of a larger ship, perhaps a freighter, said Rich Roberts, a spokesman for the Newport Ocean Sailing Association, the race organizer.

The race goes through shipping lanes and it's possible for a large ship to hit a sailboat and not even know it, especially at night, Roberts said.


Other yachts near the Coronado Islands in Mexico — four small, mostly uninhabited islands — reported seeing debris Saturday morning.

Eric Lamb was the first to find debris of the boat — most no larger than six inches — scattered over about two square miles Saturday as he worked safety patrol on the race. He saw a small refrigerator, a white seat cushion and empty containers of yogurt and soy milk.

"We pulled a lot of boats off the rocks over the years and boats that hit the rocks, they don't look like that. This was almost like it had gone through a blender," said Lamb, 62.


Two race participants who were in the area at the time the Aegean disappeared said they saw or heard a freighter.

Cindy Arosteguy of Oxnard, Calif., remembers hearing on her radio someone say, "Do you see us?" as she saw a tanker about a half-mile away.

"I got back on the radio and said, 'Yes, I see you,'" she said. "It was definitely a freighter."


Two of the dead were William Reed Johnson Jr., 57, of Torrance, Calif., and Joseph Lester Stewart, 64, of Bradenton, Fla. The San Diego County Medical Examiner's office was withholding the name of the third sailor pending notification of relatives.


In Ensenada, several hundred people held a minute of silence for the victims at an awards ceremony that spilled out in a courtyard from a large white canopy at a hotel that served as race headquarters.

Newport to Ensenada Race

skippermike - 4-29-2012 at 09:49 PM

This is all so highly speculative, and we don't want to question the race crew in any way.
Based on what was reported, it doesn't seem like a trawler, tug or fishing boat was involved - not enough mass and speed for the damage reported.
I don't know their course, but if they were outside the Coronados they could have been run down by a fast freighter or container ship. Fast freighters can run at 18+ knots and container ships at 24+ knots. THe closing time at those speeds would give little time to guess what was coming, especially if coming up astern - where one typically doesn't keep an active watch.
It is not unusual to run a course 10-15 miles outside the Coronados to get better breeze than inside, and get a favorable wind angle to reach into Ensenada bay.
Collision with a sub, whale or container doesn't seem like it would cause the destruction reported.
Container ships running up our butt have scared the hell out of me and my crew a number of times!

Islandbuilder - 4-29-2012 at 11:01 PM

We live on an island right on the US/Canada border, where I spent 20 years as a custom home builder (island builder, get it?). About 12 years ago I built a home for a guy who is the ultimate electronics guru. His home faces across Boundary Pass toward Saturna island, which is in Canada.

He has a radar on his house roof, and sits in his study looking across the Pass, monitoring his radios, and looking at his radar. There is a stunning difference between the number of boats transiting the pass with lights showing, and those who show on his radar. Easily 75% of the vessels in this busy and tricky area are running without lights. This all came too close when a couple of young men from our island disappeared while boating between two islands at night. The theory is that they too were running without lights, because the lights destroy your ability to see the water in the dark, and that they collided with another boat doing the same thing.

Some of the un-lit boats are legit, fishermen or yachts with limited electronics. Others are smugglers, often moving fast, and unlikely to report a collision or search for survivors.

I know from experience that when a ship is very close, all you can hear is the sound of his bow wake. No engine sounds, and no lights visible from under their bow. A big Donzi making 40 knots will sound like a B-25, no way it sneeks up on anyone.

It is a tragic loss.

BajaNomad - 4-30-2012 at 12:11 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by durrelllrobert
....ENSENADA, Mexico (AP) — A 37-foot racing yacht was reduced to debris that looked it "like it had gone through a blender," a searcher said Sunday after the boat apparently collided with a larger vessel, killing three sailors and leaving a fourth missing.

Race officials said they had few explanations for what may have happened to the Aegean other than it must have collided with ship like a freighter or tanker that did not see the smaller vessel. The Coast Guard said conditions were fine for sailing, with good visibility and moderate ocean swells of 6-to-8 feet.

If the smaller boat was bobbing around in light wind, the crew might not have been able to get out of the way of a larger ship, perhaps a freighter, said Rich Roberts, a spokesman for the Newport Ocean Sailing Association, the race organizer.

The race goes through shipping lanes and it's possible for a large ship to hit a sailboat and not even know it, especially at night, Roberts said.


Other yachts near the Coronado Islands in Mexico — four small, mostly uninhabited islands — reported seeing debris Saturday morning.

Eric Lamb was the first to find debris of the boat — most no larger than six inches — scattered over about two square miles Saturday as he worked safety patrol on the race. He saw a small refrigerator, a white seat cushion and empty containers of yogurt and soy milk.

"We pulled a lot of boats off the rocks over the years and boats that hit the rocks, they don't look like that. This was almost like it had gone through a blender," said Lamb, 62.


Two race participants who were in the area at the time the Aegean disappeared said they saw or heard a freighter.

Cindy Arosteguy of Oxnard, Calif., remembers hearing on her radio someone say, "Do you see us?" as she saw a tanker about a half-mile away.

"I got back on the radio and said, 'Yes, I see you,'" she said. "It was definitely a freighter."


Two of the dead were William Reed Johnson Jr., 57, of Torrance, Calif., and Joseph Lester Stewart, 64, of Bradenton, Fla. The San Diego County Medical Examiner's office was withholding the name of the third sailor pending notification of relatives.


In Ensenada, several hundred people held a minute of silence for the victims at an awards ceremony that spilled out in a courtyard from a large white canopy at a hotel that served as race headquarters.



http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5imGae_QZlk...

BajaNomad - 4-30-2012 at 12:21 AM

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/apr/29/thre-dead-1-missi...

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-sailboat-accident-20...

http://newportbeach.patch.com/articles/three-killed-during-n...


"Ray Pollock of Marina Sailing, which rented Aegean when [the owner] was not using the vessel, told City News Service that [the owner] was participating in the race for the seventh time. He won his class in 2011 and 2009. The vessel had a new engine and an experienced crew. 'I’d probably rule out operator error,' Pollock said.":
http://www.petethomasoutdoors.com/2012/04/victims-in-deadly-...

Interesting Site

bajaguy - 4-30-2012 at 05:42 AM

Shiptracking:

http://www.shiptracking.eu/ais/

oxxo - 4-30-2012 at 05:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by skippermike
I don't know their course, but if they were outside the Coronados they could have been run down by a fast freighter or container ship. .............THe closing time at those speeds would give little time to guess what was coming, especially if coming up astern - where one typically doesn't keep an active watch.
It is not unusual to run a course 10-15 miles outside the Coronados to get better breeze than inside, and get a favorable wind angle to reach into Ensenada bay.


Thanks, skippermike. We were running inside the Coronados because in a trawler yacht you are looking for lack of wind. I know that many of the sailboats run outside (sometimes way outside) for the very reasons you stated. The AEGEANs location should be known and published soon since they found debris and they, and all the boats, were being tracked by the race committee.

I have looked closely at recent pictures of the AEGEAN. It appears to me that she was not fitted with radar which is common for a boat of this type and size. We were fitted with a 40 mile radar which gave good targets about 25 nm or more, out.

It is just such a trajedy. I'm sure those four guys loved the sea as much as I do.

vgabndo - 4-30-2012 at 04:27 PM

Bajaguy...THANK YOU for the ship tracking site. That is a really fun toy. It can be aquatic Google Street view. I camped over the Golden Gate Bridge, sped up the time line, and then when I'd ID an inbound cargo ship, I hopped to a new window and brought up an image of whatever million ton Taiwanese container ship it was.

Same for all the little harbor sight seeing boats that run out to the bridge, and go back to the Marina by way of Alcatraz. With the timeline sped up it is pretty cool.

Lessons to be Learned ?

MrBillM - 4-30-2012 at 06:43 PM

Don't leave the Slip ?

Seriously, reading the Newspaper this a.m. there's already talk of the need for rethinking rules and procedures, Yada, Yada, Yada, Yada.

Stuff happens.

People in any endeavor (including those highly experienced) are going to make poor decisions or be caught up in situations that were not foreseen.

And, SOMETIMES they get hurt and Die.

Ask Steve Fossett. At the next seance.

gnukid - 4-30-2012 at 06:46 PM

drop it, it's rude and unhelpful to speculate about accidents

DENNIS - 4-30-2012 at 06:54 PM

Waiting to see the fotos, but the San Diego news just said the boat was being towed back to port. I guess it wasn't as mangled as reports said it was...like, completely destroyed.

Islandbuilder - 4-30-2012 at 09:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Waiting to see the fotos, but the San Diego news just said the boat was being towed back to port. I guess it wasn't as mangled as reports said it was...like, completely destroyed.


Even though I disagree with some of what gnukid said, I agree that when we discuss anything based on news reports, we are all largly ignorant of the truth. Case in point, was the boat reduced to small debris, or is the wreck still afloat and under tow? Two mutually exclusive assertions. A floating wreck supports the big ship collision theory; a cloud of debris a high speed run-down by a smuggler.

Gnu is right, better to wait until we have some facts. But at some point it is healthy to Monday morning quarterback what happened with the intent that perhaps, maybe, it won't happen again to someone else.

Islandbuilder - 4-30-2012 at 10:26 PM

Very true, even if you're booming along at 7 knots, a big vessel going 22 knots is closing on you at 15 knots. A few thousand tons going that speed packs a lot of energy. I think that the 8' bow wave would at least deflect a small boat from a direct hit, more of a glancing blow. He would loose the rig, railings and arch, but the hull should come through it more or less intact. However, the crew would be thrown around very violently, probably injured by the collapsing rig, and thrown into the sea. Not a good day at all.

At this point, all this is speculation, but it is a more believeable scenario if the hull is mostly intact. There may be paint transfer from the other vessel that will shed some light on the facts.

DENNIS - 5-1-2012 at 06:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Islandbuilder
Gnu is right, better to wait until we have some facts. But at some point it is healthy to Monday morning quarterback what happened with the intent that perhaps, maybe, it won't happen again to someone else.


If we waited for facts to surface before we discussed events, this would be a very quiet world.
Keeping respect for the deceased, speculation is, in most cases, all we will ever have. I indulge in it freely.

Ateo - 5-1-2012 at 07:20 AM

I seem to remember a similar event about 5 years ago involving a fishing boat off the Coronados.....boat was never seen again, no radio calls, just speculation that it was run over by a large freighter in the fog.

Ateo - 5-1-2012 at 07:29 AM

I don't think this link has been posted yet:

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/apr/30/few-answers-in-sa...

gnukid - 5-1-2012 at 08:05 PM

Here is a link to the Spot Tracker data from the yacht until impact:

http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=...

The track follows the progress of the yacht at a steady rate, apparently motoring directly into the face of the North island.



[Edited on 5-2-2012 by gnukid]

Since Speculation is rampant ............

MrBillM - 5-1-2012 at 08:45 PM

WHY has the possibility not been considered that an Alien Spaceship was involved ?

I've Heard often that they've been responsible for a number of Earthly disasters.

Who's to say ?

Gnu ?

Of Course we KNOW

MrBillM - 5-1-2012 at 09:05 PM

That advanced Alien Technology could EASILY manipulate ANY Earth Technology such as GPS to make the situation Appear to be something different.

They are MASTERS at such Misdirection.

We KNOW.

bajario - 5-2-2012 at 05:07 AM

San Diego- Two sailors found off the Coronado Islands during a yacht race died of blunt force injuries while a third drowned, the San Diego County Medical Examiner’s Office said Tuesday.

William Reed Johnson Jr., 57, of Torrance died from multiple blunt force injuries. Kevin Rudolph, 53, of Manhattan Beach died from blunt injuries to the head and neck. And Joseph Lester Stewart, 64, of Bradenton, Fla., drowned.

The boat’s owner and skipper, Theo Mavromatis, 49, of Redondo Beach, remains missing at sea.

The Coast Guard is continuing to investigate what caused the deadly accident 10 to 15 miles off San Diego during an annual race from Newport Beach to Ensenada. The Aegean dropped off an online tracking system at 1:30 a.m. Saturday, and shards of wreckage were discovered west of the islands soon after.

Initial evidence points to the possibility that the 37-foot Hunter sailboat was struck by a much larger vessel in Mexican waters. Shipping lanes crisscross through parts of the race route, and investigators are working to identify ships that were in the area at the time. No new details were released in the investigation Tuesday.

No eyewitnesses to the tragedy have emerged, said Coast Guard spokesman Henry Dunphy.

It could take several weeks before investigators reach a conclusion in the case, he said.

DENNIS - 5-2-2012 at 06:13 AM

The "larger ship" theory is coming into question. [short blurb I just heard on the news. Stay tuned.....]

DENNIS - 5-2-2012 at 06:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajario
San Diego- Two sailors found off the Coronado Islands during a yacht race died of blunt force injuries .


When I read things like this, it makes me nervous.

sancho - 5-2-2012 at 11:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
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Keeping respect for the deceased, speculation is, in most cases, all we will ever have. I indulge in it freely.




This board would have to cease if speculation was not
a part of the discussion. I see tankers off the Coronados/
Rosarito, is that an Elec Power Plant or Pemex no. of
Rosarito? Logic says floating in shipping lanes at nite
is hazardous. Wonder if a notice to Mariners is sent
out ahead of a Sailboat Race? There are many activities
that have risk, 200 bicyclists are killed in Ca. yrly

David K - 5-2-2012 at 11:06 AM

Last night's San Diego News said they may have sailed into one of the Coronado Islands... ? Wouldn't there be some wreckage on the shorline, if so?

J.P. - 5-2-2012 at 11:10 AM

Yahoo news said thy may have sailed into a place on Coronado where there is a sheer rock cliff and where there is no beach.

[Edited on 5-2-2012 by J.P.]

Cypress - 5-2-2012 at 01:36 PM

They hit an island.:o

SPOT Track

bajaguy - 5-2-2012 at 01:46 PM

if you click on the SPOT tracking link:

http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=...

Then zoom in on track #50 until it nearly fills the page with the tip of the island. Click on the "hybred" tab in the upper right corner......shows the SPOT track as an overlay on a satellite photo of the island.......very unfriendly place to run aground

oxxo - 5-2-2012 at 02:39 PM

This just in from Latitude 38 electronic magazine.

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Transponder Info Clarifies Aegean Tragedy

May 2, 2012 – Coronado Islands, Mexico


According to Aegean's SPOT track, she remained on the same SE course from about 10:15 p.m., April 27, until 1:30 the next morning, when she apparently hit the island. © 2012 SPOT



At least part of the mystery of how the Redondo Beach-based Hunter 376 Aegean was destroyed during last weekend's Lexus Newport to Ensenada Race may have been solved. Aegean's SPOT Messenger GPS track shows the boat on a constant course and speed for more than three hours — leading them directly onto the rocky shore of North Coronado Island. This almost certainly eliminates the possibility that Aegean was hit by a ship, which had been the most prevalent initial speculation.

Lt. Bill Fitzgerald of USCG Sector San Diego says that investigators "have a substantial amount of evidence of a particular scenario," and Aegean's running into the island was "one of the primary possibilities." He noted that the GPS track was just one of the pieces of evidence. Fitzgerald was also quick to point out that investigators are not ready to announce a conclusion at this point, but hope to do so soon.

The rest of the mystery is why Aegean was kept on a constant course toward a solid obstruction. It's possible that the crew was overcome by carbon monoxide poisoning from a faulty exhaust. It's possible that whoever was on watch at that late hour fell asleep. There are other possible explanations also, of course. We may never know the full story. For what it's worth, Theo Mavromatis, who chartered the boat, is said to have been an experienced skipper, which is supported by the fact that he'd won his division in the Ensenada Race on two previous occasions.

A few people have clung to the 'hit by a ship' theory based on that fact that Low Speed Chase, which went onto the rocky shore of the Farallones during the huge surf of the Full Crew Farallones Race on April 14, remained intact enough to be removed from the island by helicopter, while Aegean, in much smaller four-foot swells, appears to have been broken into small pieces. It doesn't seem curious to us, as Low Speed Chase appeared to have been washed up on a ledge, while Aegean mostly likely was repeatedly slammed against a steep and jagged shore. It was something like six hours between the time her GPS signal was lost and the first bits of her were discovered near the island by Eric Lamb of Vessel Assist. Given a sufficiently jagged shore, that's plenty of time for a fiberglass boat to be left in little pieces.

The San Diego County medical examiner reports that Kevin Eric Rudolph, 53, of Manhattan Beach, died of blunt force injuries to his head and neck; William Reed Johnson Jr., 57, of Torrance, died of multiple blunt force injuries; and Joseph Lester Stewart, 64, of Bradenton, FL, drowned. Theo Mavromatis, 49, is still missing.

The Aegean tragedy marks the first fatalities in the Newport to Ensenada Race, which has been held for 65 years, and at the height of popularity attracted well over 500 entries. We think it's worth noting that most major sailing events on the West Coast — the TransPac, the Pacific Cup, the Singlehanded TransPac, and the Baja Ha-Ha have all had long histories without any fatalities. This is not to say that it can't happen in those events, or that there was anything about the Ensenada Race that made it unusually risky, but rather that West Coast offshore racing events are generally quite safe.

- latitude / richard

Cisco - 5-2-2012 at 02:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by oxxo
This just in from Latitude 38 electronic magazine.

*****************************************
Transponder Info Clarifies Aegean Tragedy

May 2, 2012 – Coronado Islands, Mexico


According to Aegean's SPOT track, she remained on the same SE course from about 10:15 p.m., April 27, until 1:30 the next morning, when she apparently hit the island. © 2012 SPOT



At least part of the mystery of how the Redondo Beach-based Hunter 376 Aegean was destroyed during last weekend's Lexus Newport to Ensenada Race may have been solved. Aegean's SPOT Messenger GPS track shows the boat on a constant course and speed for more than three hours — leading them directly onto the rocky shore of North Coronado Island. This almost certainly eliminates the possibility that Aegean was hit by a ship, which had been the most prevalent initial speculation.

Lt. Bill Fitzgerald of USCG Sector San Diego says that investigators "have a substantial amount of evidence of a particular scenario," and Aegean's running into the island was "one of the primary possibilities." He noted that the GPS track was just one of the pieces of evidence. Fitzgerald was also quick to point out that investigators are not ready to announce a conclusion at this point, but hope to do so soon.

The rest of the mystery is why Aegean was kept on a constant course toward a solid obstruction. It's possible that the crew was overcome by carbon monoxide poisoning from a faulty exhaust. It's possible that whoever was on watch at that late hour fell asleep. There are other possible explanations also, of course. We may never know the full story. For what it's worth, Theo Mavromatis, who chartered the boat, is said to have been an experienced skipper, which is supported by the fact that he'd won his division in the Ensenada Race on two previous occasions.

A few people have clung to the 'hit by a ship' theory based on that fact that Low Speed Chase, which went onto the rocky shore of the Farallones during the huge surf of the Full Crew Farallones Race on April 14, remained intact enough to be removed from the island by helicopter, while Aegean, in much smaller four-foot swells, appears to have been broken into small pieces. It doesn't seem curious to us, as Low Speed Chase appeared to have been washed up on a ledge, while Aegean mostly likely was repeatedly slammed against a steep and jagged shore. It was something like six hours between the time her GPS signal was lost and the first bits of her were discovered near the island by Eric Lamb of Vessel Assist. Given a sufficiently jagged shore, that's plenty of time for a fiberglass boat to be left in little pieces.

The San Diego County medical examiner reports that Kevin Eric Rudolph, 53, of Manhattan Beach, died of blunt force injuries to his head and neck; William Reed Johnson Jr., 57, of Torrance, died of multiple blunt force injuries; and Joseph Lester Stewart, 64, of Bradenton, FL, drowned. Theo Mavromatis, 49, is still missing.

The Aegean tragedy marks the first fatalities in the Newport to Ensenada Race, which has been held for 65 years, and at the height of popularity attracted well over 500 entries. We think it's worth noting that most major sailing events on the West Coast — the TransPac, the Pacific Cup, the Singlehanded TransPac, and the Baja Ha-Ha have all had long histories without any fatalities. This is not to say that it can't happen in those events, or that there was anything about the Ensenada Race that made it unusually risky, but rather that West Coast offshore racing events are generally quite safe.

- latitude / richard



A problem some navigators have is assigning waypoints on the GPS that are solid, instead of putting them off an obstruction a few hundred feet or yards, they run right into them if on the pilot.

Do these boats run their engine when racing? Thought it was all sail.

If they planted the boat on "Pukey Point", north point North Coronado Island they certainly would not hit a sheer face but rather heavy rip-rap and boulders that would tear a large boat up and cause blunt force trauma to humans.

Interesting info

bajaguy - 5-2-2012 at 02:59 PM

The last "check-in/ok" message was at 7:49PM Friday evening, April 27th. A "check-in/ok" message is a manual operation that has to be keyed in.

The remaining messages were all "tracking" messages which is an automatic function that occurs approximately every 10 minutes. The last "tracking" message was received at 1:36AM on Saturday, April 28.

oxxo - 5-2-2012 at 03:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cisco
Do these boats run their engine when racing? Thought it was all sail.


I have never participated in this "race" but it is my understanding that an engine is permitted if winds are light. It is a weekend race and a lot of people have to be back at work on Monday.

At the risk of offending some Nomad members, I would like to offer some educated speculation. It appears from tracking in the upper part of the screen that the vessel was essentially becalmed, running at maybe 1 to 2 knots just northwest of San Diego. It has been reported that winds were light and variable at about 6 knots that night which is consistent with a hull speed of about 2 knots. Then the track shows the boat suddenly making a steady headway of 6 knots on a direct course for the three or four hours prior to hitting the island. This would be consistent with them starting their engine and running at hull speed of about 6 knots for a 37 foot full displacement hull.

In the picture of the AEGEAN the morning of the race start, you can clearly see a chart plotter at the helm. The Coronados would have clearly been shown on any electronic charts they would have had and their onboard GPS would have shown where they were in relation to the islands in real time.

Was the plotter inoperative? Did the person on watch fall asleep at the helm? Why was a course set that clearly put the boat on a collision course with the island? Why is the owner of the boat the only one still missing? There are a lot of questions with answers we will probably never know.

One thing is for CERTAIN

MrBillM - 5-2-2012 at 08:47 PM

Well, actually Two ?

1. They can forget about looking for ships with Paint Scrapes.

2. LEARNING from your mistakes and not repeating them doesn't apply.

Maderita - 5-3-2012 at 02:58 AM

Sorry if some of this is redundant, I didn't get on this forum until after I sent this e-mail out to some of my adventurous friends:

Dear fellow adventurers,

I was wondering about the cause of the yacht accident.
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/29/11453097-3-dead...
Early speculation, from many news sources, was that the "Aegean" was run over by a freighter/cargo ship in the night. That seemed a likely scenario, and a known danger in those waters. Reports varied, many indicating south or west of the Coronado Islands. I don't imagine that any sailor wants to imagine that an experienced crew (the "Aegean" reportedly won the class previously) could navigate directly into a large land mass. It is disconcerting to think that may be exactly what happened! You might find my sleuthing of interest.

I came across the SPOT tracking for the "Aegean", a Hunter 37'. It looks like they sailed a straight course, without deviation, to crash into the rocky north shore of the North Coronado Island.
You can view the path here, with #50 the final location.
http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=...

3 crew died. Two of blunt force trauma, one drowned, and the owner is still missing at sea.
I guessed that the survivability would be reduced by a high tide. Surviving the low-speed crash would be likely. Getting out of the cold water and into a safe place away from crashing waves would be difficult to impossible at high tide. Low tide just might be more survivable, with some opportunity to escape onto higher rocks. Zoom in and switch to "Satellite" view to see a close-up of the rocky shore.

I checked the tide chart for April 28th. The (San Diego) high tide was 4.0' at 1:33 AM. The last SPOT location was 3 minutes later, at 1:36 AM. That is an unusually high tide and almost to the minute, at the very worst time.

Then I wondered, "How anyone could fail to see a tall rocky island with an abrupt cliff when they are sailing straight for it, and over many miles?" There would have to be little to no moonlight. The islands are comprised of dark rock and soil which would reflect little ambient light.

Checking the moon charts (for San Diego): The 47% illuminated moon set at 12:54 AM. 36 minutes later, any residual glow would be gone, leaving the night sky at it's darkest. I tried to find cloud cover info from the weather almanac. No luck in a quick search. IIRC, we had a heavy marine layer all day - not good for my spray painting outdoors in the afternoon (Pt. Loma/San Diego). Overcast would block star light.

The swell was reported by other boats to be fairly large and the wind unusually light in the area. Somewhere I read that the class in which the "Aegean" was racing allows for use of the engine when the wind drops below a certain speed, though I haven't confirmed that. I notice that earlier in the evening the boat was making very slow progress (see Spot markers thru #27), then the boat appears to have doubled/tripled speed until it crashed. I can't do much more than guess with the data, but at a glance it seems consistent with firing up the engine. A diesel engine might mask the noise of waves crashing on an island.

Well, there seems to be a "perfect storm" of natural conditions which may have contributed to the fate of the Aegean & crew. It will never be known just how many errors it took for a "perfect storm" of human mistakes. In analyzing any tragedy, incl. sailing or climbing, it is rarely one mistake or condition that results in a fatality. It is almost always multiple conditions, timing, and human errors which unfold in a deadly combination.

Stay sharp out there!
-John

oxxo - 5-3-2012 at 04:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Maderita
You might find my sleuthing of interest.


Your conclusions are consistent with mine. However, you did not address the issue of the chartplotter. They definitely had a plotter aboard, it is clearly visible. The islands are shown on electronic charts, yet they sailed directly into them. Even if no electronic charts, they would have had paper charts aboard (perhaps they had both). The captain/owner of the boat was reportedly an experienced sailor in that area, He would have been very familiar with those islands, they are a major hazard on a course from Newport to Ensenada.

LA Times article & comments

bajaguy - 5-3-2012 at 05:44 AM

The comments after this article are interesting:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/05/yacht-deaths-b...

The DEAD tell no TALES

MrBillM - 5-3-2012 at 01:07 PM

AND SO The ONE thing that can be said is:

IF it turns out that they sailed directly into the Island, at least ONE SOMEBODY on Board failed to do his job.

With foreseeable (and tragic) consequences.

Maderita - 5-4-2012 at 03:50 PM

Some good reporting here:
http://www.ocregister.com/news/aegean-352663-brewer-corneliu...

Note that Brewer was quoted as saying that he could see the moon. Unless I am mistaken in my research, the moon set approx. 36 minutes prior to the last SPOT transmission. It was quite dark.

Cypress - 5-4-2012 at 03:55 PM

We know that they hit an island, but we'll never know why they ran into an island.

WHY ?

MrBillM - 5-4-2012 at 04:29 PM

We know.

F'd-Up.

BajaNomad - 5-7-2012 at 10:07 AM

"A dead man was found by a fisherman near the Coronado Islands Sunday around 2:30 p.m."


http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/may/06/dead-body-found-n...

mtgoat666 - 5-7-2012 at 10:11 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cypress
We know that they hit an island, but we'll never know why they ran into an island.


yes, we do know; navigation error!