BajaNomad

Passenger Jet CRASHES in Laguna Salada

Ken Cooke - 4-30-2012 at 09:46 PM



link: Discovery Channel - Devistating Consequences

[Edited on 5-1-2012 by Ken Cooke]

Ken Cooke - 4-30-2012 at 09:53 PM



link: MSNBC.COM

se dejo caer este avión guiado por control remoto con propósitos de estudio en materia de seguridad. ...........EL LUGAR..... km. 86 carretera federal Mexicali a San Felipe ... llegando al km. 86 bajamos de la carretera../.. y seguimos conduciendo 5 km. mas hacia el oeste por el desierto de la SALADA / sitio donde se efectuó el "simulacro" real de caída de un avión con capacidad para 200 personas / Bueno, no fue simulacro, por que un simulacro solo es una simulación, aquí el avión se partió en varios pedazos, todo fue real../..los pilotos que salieron piloteando el avión del aeropuerto hasta el sitio del aterrizaje se aventaron en paracaídas los 4 pilotos, y después de aventarse el avión fue dirigido al lugar por control remoto.../.. Se estrello el avión intencionalmente para sacar información del incidente y así ver como mejorar las medidas de seguridad ... claro todo se pago por NAT GEO AND DISCOVERY por primera vez en coordinación../... esto fue el día 27 de abril 2012 ..

David K - 4-30-2012 at 11:06 PM

BING Translator:

Let fall this aircraft guided by remote control for study for safety purposes. ...........THE place... km. 86 federal highway Mexicali to San Felipe... reaching km. 86 got off the road.../.. and continue driving 5 km. more westward through the desert of the salt / site where was made real "mock" fall of a plane with capacity for 200 people / well, was not drill, a single simulation is a simulation, here the plane broke into several pieces, everything was real.../..pilots who were piloting the aircraft from the airport up to the landing site is threw parachute 4 pilots, and after throwing it the aircraft was directed to the place by control remoto.../... Crashed the plane intentionally to get information of the incident and thus see how to improve security measures... are all clear payment for NAT GEO AND DISCOVERY for the first time in coordination.../... This was the day 27 of April 2012...

BajaWarrior - 5-1-2012 at 04:15 AM

We were heading home yesterday and looked out in the desert and thought that sure looked like a plane out there!

thebajarunner - 5-1-2012 at 07:57 AM

Thanks Ken,
That has been all over the AOL news, but no mention of the location other than "Mexico desert"

And, the articles says that they will make a very thorough and complete cleanup...

Yeah, I bet,
actually they might leave it as a tourist attraction, the Laguna Salada is not exactly the Mecca of Baja.

BajaBlanca - 5-1-2012 at 08:14 AM

the size of the people underneath the broken aircraft really make you realize how gargantuan these aircraft are ...

wilderone - 5-1-2012 at 08:34 AM

I dunno - aircraft construction and safety and engineering has been around a long time. Pretty expensive test run - seems extreme and unnecessary. Wonder if it's a Mexican or USA project for study.

elgatoloco - 5-1-2012 at 08:53 AM

Note to self: Sit in the back :saint:

David K - 5-1-2012 at 09:00 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by elgatoloco
Note to self: Sit in the back :saint:


Right! Hardly any planes back into a mountain:light:

J.P. - 5-1-2012 at 09:19 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by wilderone
I dunno - aircraft construction and safety and engineering has been around a long time. Pretty expensive test run - seems extreme and unnecessary. Wonder if it's a Mexican or USA project for study.




I doubt that anyone would crash a in service plane on purpose it probably was headed for demilation anyway. I agree about the tail section in most crashes it's usualy the largest intact section left.

bufeo - 5-1-2012 at 09:45 AM

That must have been a surprise sight for the racers during the NORRA Mexican 1000!

I saw the tail section in a couple of photos on web sites following the race, but didn't follow up on research about it.

Thanks, Ken, for solving the "mystery".

Allen R

sancho - 5-1-2012 at 10:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by wilderone
Wonder if it's a Mexican or USA project for study.



I understand it was done by or in conjunction with
National Geographic for a show to come. It also
obviously states that the location was easy and cheap
as compared with a US location. On the LA News
last nite, it was said to have been piloted to a point
then the pilot parachuted out

bufeo - 5-1-2012 at 10:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by sancho... On the LA News
last nite, it was said to have been piloted to a point
then the pilot parachuted out


I've now seen several other videos from different angles of the crash and one of them supposedly shows the pilotos parachuting down to a predetermined spot.

Allen R

durrelllrobert - 5-1-2012 at 11:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by sancho
It also
obviously states that the location was easy and cheap
as compared with a US location.

EPA would never allow this in US.

From the London Daily Mail

durrelllrobert - 5-1-2012 at 11:45 AM

Boeing 727 crashed deliberately for documentary exploring the effects of serious impacts on planes and people
Jet, which can carry 170 passengers, ripped in two as it smashes into ground moments after pilot ejects
Loaded with crash-test dummies and cameras in first deliberate aircraft crash since NASA's 30 years ago


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2137327/Discovery-Ch...

...and this from MSNBC Travel:
Television producers at the Discovery Channel, Channel 4 in the UK and Pro Sieben in Germany recently crashed a Boeing 727 in the name of science.

The plane's pilot ejected from the aircraft minutes before the jet, guided remotely, went down in an isolated part of Mexico's Sonoran Desert, according to a press release from the Discovery Channel.

"Rather than carrying passengers, the plane was packed with scientific experiments, including crash test dummies," the statement said. "Dozens of cameras recorded the crash from inside the aircraft, on the ground, in chase planes and even on the ejecting pilot's helmet."

Riom - 5-1-2012 at 11:50 AM

Tony Colleraine has the full press release, at
http://sanfelipe.com.mx/2012/04/30/boeing-crash-landing-on-l...

Discovery Channel / Channel 4 co-production, for new series called "Curiosity". (hope they don't do a nuclear explosion for their second episode...).

Rob

[Edited on 2012-5-1 by Riom]

BajaBruno - 5-1-2012 at 12:07 PM

It looks like the landing pitch was decidedly nose down, which may account for the forward section tearing off as it did. Maybe the Nomad pilots can answer this: Could a properly piloted 727 land unharmed on that desert?

Barry A. - 5-1-2012 at 12:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaBruno
It looks like the landing pitch was decidedly nose down, which may account for the forward section tearing off as it did. Maybe the Nomad pilots can answer this: Could a properly piloted 727 land unharmed on that desert?


"unharmed" ??? No!! My experience with the Laguna Salada over the years is that it is quite soft, even when completely dry. You might get away with a belly landing, landing gear retracted, but the plane is going to sustain a LOT of damage, and may burst into flames, or just disintegrate upon impact-------risky stuff, no matter what.

Barry

cbuzzetti - 5-1-2012 at 12:39 PM

It is impressive to see how fast the plane stops. It did not appear to travel very far after impact. It also stayed relatively intact. I was impressed. Cant wait to see what happened to the interior.

Discovery Channel Crashes Jet for Documentary

Gypsy Jan - 5-1-2012 at 01:09 PM

From the LA Times:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2012/04/discover...

bacquito - 5-1-2012 at 02:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by cbuzzetti
It is impressive to see how fast the plane stops. It did not appear to travel very far after impact. It also stayed relatively intact. I was impressed. Cant wait to see what happened to the interior.


Yes, I agree-it stopped somewhat abruptly. I saw this on CNN news.

bacquito - 5-1-2012 at 03:11 PM

The same type of event occurred years ago in the Mohave Desert in So. California. A large jet (707?) was crashed on purpose to test, I believe, the flammability of jet fuel. As I recall the test was not done correctly but the results were impressive!!

[Edited on 5-1-2012 by bacquito]

cbuzzetti - 5-1-2012 at 03:20 PM

Yes I remember that test. i think they were testing a new jet fuel that was supposed to be less flamable. It sure didnt seem to be less flamable.

Ken Cooke - 5-1-2012 at 04:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by bufeo


Thanks, Ken, for solving the "mystery".


I'm keeping my eyes and ears peeled on Baja from afar! (So Cal.)

Amazing!

Ken Cooke - 5-1-2012 at 06:49 PM

Channel 4 news at 6:30 (~6:51 p.m.) is showing this video and discussing the event in the Laguna Salada.

wilderone - 5-3-2012 at 07:36 AM

"...the flammability of jet fuel"? I coulda saved them the expense. Uh yeah, it's flammable. Really - that test can be done in someone's back yard. A airplane crash with explosion is devastating regardless. Are they trying to achieve an airplane crash with slow-burning debris? Lower temperature? The fuel needs to keep the airplane in the air - priority One. I'll bet these are government grants funding out of work scientists.

BajaBruno - 5-3-2012 at 09:12 AM

The crash Baquito refers to tested a fuel additive "designed to suppress the fireball that can result from an impact," as well as other safety features. I don't think there was any doubt that kerosene burns.

http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/movie/CID/index.html

Discovery Channel Plane Crash Near San Felipe

CortezBlue - 9-19-2012 at 07:20 AM

If you have driven to San Felipe and you pass the Boeing 707 aircraft on the east side of the road on the way out of Mexicali and wondered why it is there? Oct 7 you can watch the detailed HD video of why and how they crashed it. The Discovery Channel has started advertising the upcoming show, set your DVR's!:O

David K - 9-19-2012 at 08:19 AM

It was crashed on the lower Laguna Salada... and seen from Hwy. 5, about 65 miles north of San Felipe... The YouTube video was posted here months ago when it happened, I do believe.

wornout - 9-19-2012 at 09:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by CortezBlue
If you have driven to San Felipe and you pass the Boeing 707 aircraft on the east side of the road on the way out of Mexicali and wondered why it is there? Oct 7 you can watch the detailed HD video of why and how they crashed it. The Discovery Channel has started advertising the upcoming show, set your DVR's!:O


I searched the Discovery Channel and all they have posted is the episode they aired in April, nothing about the future but we will try and find a future date:

http://dsc.discovery.com/show-news/discovery-channel-crashes...

willardguy - 9-19-2012 at 10:12 AM

looks like they need to find a better way to hook on the c-ckpit!:o

luv2fish - 9-19-2012 at 10:55 AM

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c33_1335795055

bajaguy - 9-19-2012 at 09:21 PM

Discovery Channel
Sunday, October 7, 2012
9PM, Central time
Check channel listings for your local time

[Edited on 9-20-2012 by bajaguy]

NOW!!!!

bajaguy - 10-7-2012 at 06:42 PM

It's on now.......Discovery channel

BAJACAT - 10-7-2012 at 09:07 PM

why there and not in the states.? pretty good show alot data collected...

luv2fish - 10-7-2012 at 09:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BAJACAT
why there and not in the states.?


I'm sure you'd have every agency out there from the e.p.a to the a.q.m.d. You'd probably even have the a.c.l.u. trying to charge some king of a fee.

David K - 10-8-2012 at 12:37 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BAJACAT
why there and not in the states.? pretty good show alot data collected...


Perhaps the same reason SCORE no longer races in the USA, only in Baja now... It's a shame to try and save lives, the enviros drive our research teams to another country!

They crashed the plane on a pretty sterile dry (salty) lake bed... After watching the show tonight, I appreciate the reason... Before the show, I did think it was stupid,.. sort-of.

bigmike58 - 10-9-2012 at 07:53 AM

Does the plane ever crash? I've tried to watch it twice and have fallen asleep during the bore-fest each time.... It really should have been a 30 min show, way too much repetitive crap.:barf:

David K - 10-9-2012 at 07:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by bigmike58
Does the plane ever crash? I've tried to watch it twice and have fallen asleep during the bore-fest each time.... It really should have been a 30 min show, way too much repetitive crap.:barf:


Oh yes indeed... big success! It was on the Science channel last night.

bigmike58 - 10-9-2012 at 08:10 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Quote:
Originally posted by bigmike58
Does the plane ever crash? I've tried to watch it twice and have fallen asleep during the bore-fest each time.... It really should have been a 30 min show, way too much repetitive crap.:barf:


Oh yes indeed... big success! It was on the Science channel last night.


Thanks David, That was my second attempt at getting thru it....

desertcpl - 10-9-2012 at 08:15 AM

I watched it last night, I had it recorded

it was interesting,

but I will have to agree with big mike, way to long, could have been done in 30mins