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Junior Seau Commits Suicide

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bajadogs - 5-2-2012 at 11:24 AM

Shoots himself at his home. Lots of Chargers fans here on Nomads. Sorry to bring the news.

Udo - 5-2-2012 at 11:28 AM

That is a shock!

DENNIS - 5-2-2012 at 11:30 AM

I can't find anything that mentions suicide....as yet. Just a "shooting."

http://tinyurl.com/7ygweo8




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[Edited on 5-2-2012 by DENNIS]

David K - 5-2-2012 at 11:33 AM

On San Diego TV News now... helicopter over his home here in Oceanside.

Yes, it is true.

Heather - 5-2-2012 at 11:55 AM

Wow...I went to school with his older sister, Mary at Oceanside High School. He has a beach house in O'side so would see him out surfing when I cruised the Strand.

Shock for my hometown for sure!

soulpatch - 5-2-2012 at 12:17 PM

That's a shame.

LancairDriver - 5-2-2012 at 12:17 PM

May or may not be connection but...The NFL has recently had hundreds of lawsuits filed by retired players suffering from concussion related injuries claiming they had no warning of possible problems.

desertcpl - 5-2-2012 at 01:45 PM

WOW,, this is hard to believed RIP

I so enjoyed watching him play football for so many years
he was one of the great ones for sure, always seemed like a great guy on and off the field

DavidE - 5-2-2012 at 02:34 PM

Damn that is a bolt out of the blue. Been a fan since Air Coryell.

BajaBlanca - 5-2-2012 at 03:24 PM

R.I.P.

woody with a view - 5-2-2012 at 03:42 PM

he tried to do it going 75 mph off the cliffs in carlsbad a year ago, or so. what a turd! with everything he had and it wasn't enough?

i'll burn my #55 jersey as soon as i get home Friday......

cabobaja - 5-2-2012 at 03:57 PM

woody, your an a%$hole.

woody with a view - 5-2-2012 at 04:04 PM

lick me.....

he was my favorite Charger ever.

my Grandpa stuck a 12 gauge in his mouth when i was a kid, i have no tolerance for the easy way out!

edit: what a selfish POS!:barf:

[Edited on 5-2-2012 by woody with a view]

sancho - 5-2-2012 at 04:29 PM

That got to me, he always was pumped up with
with positive energy. I imagine he
would be suprised with the effect this has on
a lot of people. Never know what thaughts are
in someone's head

DENNIS - 5-2-2012 at 04:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by sancho
That got to me, he always was pumped up with
with positive energy. I imagine he
would be suprised with the effect this has on
a lot of people. Never know what thaughts are
in someone's head


He did what he had to do. We can't judge his decision.....only what's left in his wake.

chuckie - 5-2-2012 at 05:18 PM

Woody, you are an buttcrack..get alife

OMG

EnsenadaDr - 5-2-2012 at 05:28 PM

That is horrible...he had that nice sports bar in Mission Valley...he seemed to be a happy guy...what happened?
Quote:
Originally posted by bajadogs
Shoots himself at his home. Lots of Chargers fans here on Nomads. Sorry to bring the news.

Tell that to his family

thebajarunner - 5-2-2012 at 05:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by sancho
That got to me, he always was pumped up with
with positive energy. I imagine he
would be suprised with the effect this has on
a lot of people. Never know what thaughts are
in someone's head


He did what he had to do. We can't judge his decision.....only what's left in his wake.


Coward's way out.....
Did you see the family pix today?
Very sad what this act leaves behind,
sad indeed.

EnsenadaDr - 5-2-2012 at 05:36 PM

I just called my sister...she is a diehard Charger fan...she said he tried to kill himself last year by driving off a cliff...so this isn't the first time...

David K - 5-2-2012 at 05:59 PM

He denied that to everyone (then)... said he fell asleep... that was in Carlsbad.

Ateo - 5-2-2012 at 06:57 PM

As someone who used to surf in front of Junior's house from time to time, often seeing him in the lineup, on his balcony on The Strand, and always obliging autograph seekers, I wish his family peace. We humans have a complicated brain and sometimes we feel utter darkness. Rest in peace Seau. Thanks for all you've done for the Oceanside community.

desertcpl - 5-2-2012 at 07:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ateo
As someone who used to surf in front of Junior's house from time to time, often seeing him in the lineup, on his balcony on The Strand, and always obliging autograph seekers, I wish his family peace. We humans have a complicated brain and sometimes we feel utter darkness. Rest in peace Seau. Thanks for all you've done for the Oceanside community.




ateo

that was very nice, I also lived in Oceanside

Phil S - 5-2-2012 at 07:44 PM

Why do some people have to be so cynical? If it was suicide, it's still none of our business how he died. He just died!!! Remember the good things about him. If you want to get pi&&& about it, do it somewhere else. Geeezzzzzzzz..

From New York Times report

thebajarunner - 5-2-2012 at 08:31 PM

According to the NYT his girlfriend returned from the gym and found his body on the bed.

and then....

At 1:17 p.m., or roughly four hours after Seau’s girlfriend called police, after officials said they performed “lifesaving efforts” on an unconscious Seau in his bedroom, dozens of family members and friends surrounded the coroner’s white van. The back door opened. Seau’s body was placed inside. As the van inched slowly down the street, through a crowd that numbered in the hundreds, Seau’s mother, Luisa, threw her hands in the air and screamed.


So, still want to say it was a private matter with Jr.
Think of the lives and memories he ruined, forever.
Like I said,
a very cowardly way to go!!

Another Life SHOT

MrBillM - 5-2-2012 at 08:55 PM

Guess he wanted an Open Casket.

Chest Shot can be uncertain and unsuccessful.

But, it did work out.

Bob H - 5-2-2012 at 09:08 PM

It was reported that Junior had previsouly asked that his brain be sent to a lab for research when he dies, thus the reason for shooting himself in the chest, to preserve his brain for research.

This is so sad! He never suffered a concusion that I can remember. I think his girlfriend must have something to do with him doing this dasterdly deed. Very sad indeed... I feel so sorry for his children and his family.

tripledigitken - 5-2-2012 at 10:31 PM

Just saw his mother on TV................very sad for so many.

RIP

soulpatch - 5-2-2012 at 10:44 PM

Interesting the judgement.... who to blame, cowardly way out... whatever.
None of us here know what was in his head.
None of us here know what the fame, fortune, steroids, youth, NFL, etc, did to his head.
He is no more or less of a loss than any other human that takes this tragic step.
Let it go and don't judge.

edit for spelling

[Edited on 5-3-2012 by soulpatch]

bajadogs - 5-2-2012 at 11:13 PM

The new concussion hype had nothing to do with what he did this morning. The cliff he drove off a year and a half ago is a mile from my house. I knew the day that happened it was no accident. Just hours earlier he had been arrested on domestic violence charges that were later dropped. It seemed obvious to me he accelerated and swerved hard right down that cliff. Carlsbad cops felt otherwise and his actions were brushed under the rug. Seems to me all the signs pointed to a man in need of help. This is just my opinion and I'm not judging anyone. It is a very sad day for San Diego sports, especially north county fans and a HUGE loss for Oceanside. Love him or hate him, he was good for San Diego.

As Soulpatch wrote, we can never know what caused this. I tend to believe it was more a result of the football mentality, fame and fortune than it was helmet to helmet contact.

Peace to all Chargers fans tonight.

[Edited on 5-3-2012 by bajadogs]

KASHEYDOG - 5-2-2012 at 11:37 PM

WOW !!! Just got home from Ensenada. What a shock. I just had dinner and c-cktails with him last week here in Carlsbad. Had no idea there was anything so serious going on in his life. What the HELL happened ??
What a loss for all of San Diego. He was just a "regular guy" and that's all he wanted to be.

Woody, I'm sorry you didn't know him. You would have thought differently. He was truly a nice man.....

..............REST IN PEACE,... Junior Seau..... You are loved by many...:no:...:(....:no:.


[Edited on 5-3-12 by KASHEYDOG]

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Concussion

daveB - 5-3-2012 at 12:47 AM

I can see this is very close to many Nomad readers, some of you have first hand knowlegdge of Junior's life even away from the Game. It always seems as shame that a talented athelete can want to effect his departure from life when still young and outwardly healthy. We know by events that life was getting too much for him. We should let him rest in peace.

Concussions are not rare events in football, and the damage they cause to the brain can be great. As the brain has such an intricate composition and so much of it can be disconnected too many times by sudden shock, it a wonder there aren't more problems. In ice hockey there has been a rash of concussions since the game has grown in speed and violence, and we've lost three players recently, never knowing what problems they had that would cause suicide.

Pro atheletes often won't admit to injuries they've sustained, for many reason. If no one knew that Junior had suffered head truma on the field it doesn't surprise me. The direction in which he pointed the gun could be his own telling admission of what went wrong and what he wanted from an autopsy: confirmation that he'd chosen the wrong calling.

wilderone - 5-3-2012 at 07:20 AM

Prayers and tears. The ending of Junior's life seems contrary to how he lived his 43 years. We were HUGE Junior Seau fans. Rest in peace now.

DENNIS - 5-3-2012 at 07:32 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by KASHEYDOG
WOW !!! Just got home from Ensenada. What a shock. I just had dinner and c-cktails with him last week here in Carlsbad. Had no idea there was anything so serious going on in his life. What the HELL happened ??


All we can ever see is the cover of the book.

Skipjack Joe - 5-3-2012 at 07:36 AM

The media is now showing the mother's cries of anguish every 15 minutes. I find myself getting really upset over the exploitation of what should be handled with greater sensitivity. I'm sure it gets people's attention.

Two thumbs down for ESPN.

DENNIS - 5-3-2012 at 07:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
The media is now showing the mother's cries of anguish every 15 minutes. I find myself getting really upset over the exploitation of what should be handled with greater sensitivity. I'm sure it gets people's attention.

Two thumbs down for ESPN.


Not just ESPN. I heard it at least three times within an hour this AM on the radio....KOGO-600.....San Diego.
News vultures....the very worst.

Skipjack Joe - 5-3-2012 at 07:50 AM

I'm sure the mother can't be happy how this was handled. When you step up to the mike you have no idea how it will be edited and shown in public. You lose control. It's really a shame.

David K - 5-3-2012 at 07:56 AM

I watched it live, and it was pretty dramatic, no editing needed to make it more so. It got to me, for sure...

KASHEYDOG - 5-3-2012 at 09:00 AM

No. 55
Linebacker
Personal information
Date of birth: January 19, 1969(1969-01-19)
Place of birth: San Diego, California
Date of death: May 2, 2012(2012-05-02) (aged 43)
Place of death: Oceanside, California
Height: 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m) Weight: 248 lb (112 kg)

Career information
High school: Oceanside (CA)
College: Southern California
NFL Draft: 1990 / Round: 1 / Pick: 5
Debuted in 1990 for the San Diego Chargers
Last played in 2009 for the New England Patriots
Career history
San Diego Chargers (1990–2002)
Miami Dolphins (2003–2005)
New England Patriots (2006–2009)

Career highlights and awards
12× Pro Bowl (1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002)
10× All-Pro (1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000)
2× AFC Champion (1994, 2007)
UPI AFC Defensive Player of the Year (1992)
NEA NFL Defensive Player of the Year (1992)
AFC Player of the Year (1994)
NFL Alumni Linebacker of the Year (2003)
NFL 1990s All-Decade Team
San Diego Chargers Hall of Fame
San Diego Chargers 50th Anniversary Team

Career NFL statistics as of 2009
Tackles 1,849
Sacks 56.5
Interceptions 18
Forced fumbles 3
Pass deflections 21

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DianaT - 5-3-2012 at 09:40 AM

I am saddened that a healthy young man felt the need to do this and even sadder for his family.

I also hate to see the attacks on Woody for his feelings. I don't think anyone can begin to understand how suicide affects those left behind --- often with a lot of guilt feelings that they should have been able to stop it, anger, and it often destroys other members of the family. Having had a brother who committed suicide, my first feelings upon hearing this news were similar to Woody's. It is easy to be angry, angry for his family that he chose to commit the ultimate in selfish acts.

My thoughts are with those left behind and their inevitable struggle with coping with this tragedy.

[Edited on 5-3-2012 by DianaT]

DavidE - 5-3-2012 at 09:43 AM

I cannot seem to get angry over this, only anguished.

What torture he must of endured in his head to force him to end his life.

To be a grieving fan is one thing, and an immediate family member quite another. My prayers are directed at them and Junior's personal friends.

Bob H - 5-3-2012 at 10:05 AM

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/may/03/tp-community-mour...

Skipjack Joe - 5-3-2012 at 10:16 AM

If he still has underaged children then I suppose it was wrong.

Otherwise, he's in charge of his own life to do as he wants.

Either way, it was not an act of cowardice.

I don't feel that morality has any role in acts of suicide. It's mental illness. You don't blame a man for contracting Alzheimers (even though it produces stress for everyone). Suicide is the same. My opinion.

----------------------

Remember that character in Dostoyevsky's "The Possessed".

"In a meaningless world I must kill myself because my life is meaningless"

What a bunch of crap.

Bob H - 5-3-2012 at 10:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DianaT
I am saddened that a healthy young man felt the need to do this and even sadder for his family.

I also hate to see the attacks on Woody for his feelings. I don't think anyone can begin to understand how suicide affects those left behind --- often with a lot of guilt feelings that they should have been able to stop it, anger, and it often destroys other members of the family. Having had a brother who committed suicide, my first feelings upon hearing this news were similar to Woody's. It is easy to be angry, angry for his family that he chose to commit the ultimate in selfish acts.

My thoughts are with those left behind and their inevitable struggle with coping with this tragedy.

[Edited on 5-3-2012 by DianaT]


Well stated! My best friend lost his Dad to suicide when he was a little boy, and he has very similar feelings as you and Woody. I think, unless you have experienced this in your own personal life, lay off on judgement from those who have.

DENNIS - 5-3-2012 at 10:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Otherwise, he's in charge of his own life to do as he wants.



It's a terrible and painful legacy to leave for a family and friends. At least a note absolving them of guilt would actually be helpful.
There should be rules of engagement...and disengagement for everything.

Huh?

Skipjack Joe - 5-3-2012 at 10:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by woody with a view
he tried to do it going 75 mph off the cliffs in carlsbad a year ago, or so. what a turd! with everything he had and it wasn't enough?

i'll burn my #55 jersey as soon as i get home Friday......




Quote:
Originally posted by Bob H

.....he has very similar feelings as you and Woody. I think, unless you have experienced this in your own personal life, lay off on judgement from those who have.


How are you agreeing with Woody?

Barry A. - 5-3-2012 at 12:01 PM

Here is my two cents---------Two very loved members of my family have committed suicide. Both came to the realization that they were not having fun anymore, (one at 78, and the other at 83)----and both had really had a fun life, were really always independent, and decided that they were not really able to contribute any more, either to their own happiness, or to the family and society. The 78 year old single woman had early onset dementia, and knew it, and the other was just tired, and her health was failing, and she had lost her husband 12 years before.

Our Family sorta knew this was coming (eventually) as they had both talked about suicide "when life was no longer fun" for years, and tho very sad were resigned with each of THEIR decisions to depart. It would have been REALLY sad to see them "carry on" in personal mental misery.

End of story. (and of course they are missed)

But, for a 43 year old to depart this way------this IS very sad, but we sure don't know what was going on in his head. He made a very personal decision, apparently----which is his right, IMO. To me it is selfish for of any of us to judge him----we were not walking in his moccasins!

Barry

LancairDriver - 5-3-2012 at 12:58 PM

It's pretty clear there is a trend here in little understood damage incurred from making a career of taking regular blows to the head.This article was prior to this incident.Makes it pretty ridiculous to try and judge the actions of individuals who made a career of entertaining some of us.

Report: Autopsy Reveals Sixth NFL Player Suffered From Head Trauma-Related Brain Damage
Latest research indicates that damage may accumulate in the brain from repetitive head trauma, even if injuries are allowed to heal.
by Peter Keating

Getty Images

Roethlisberger was a recent player to suffer head trauma. This Week 17 concussion left him on the turf for 15 minutes.

Tom McHale, who played guard for three NFL teams from 1987 to 1995, was suffering from chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), brain damage caused by repeated head trauma, when he died from a multiple-drug overdose last year, researchers at Boston University School of Medicine announced today.

Over the past two years, researchers have examined the brains of seven former NFL players, including McHale, all of whom died by the age of 50. Six turned out to have had CTE, which is characterized by the buildup of toxic proteins that form dangerous tangles in the brain, and that at the moment, can be found only by autopsy. CTE can cause victims to lose control of their emotions and impulses and to suffer memory loss and depression and can eventually lead to dementia.

All of the ex-NFL players diagnosed with CTE died under unusual, even bizarre, circumstances, though the precise relationship between their brain damage and their behavior remains unclear. For example, Justin Strzelczyk died in a fiery car wreck in 2004 after experiencing hallucinatory visions.
Terry Long committed suicide in 2005, as did Andre Waters, in 2006. John Grimsley, an experienced gunman, died last year from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

"Initially referred to as dementia pugilistica because of the boxers who were originally studied, CTE is now being seen in other athletes," says Dr.Ann McKee, who did the post-mortems on Grimsley and McHale. McKee is co-director of the Center for the Study of Traumatic Encephalopathy, a collaboration between BU and the Sports Legacy Institute, the organization founded by Chris Nowinski, a former WWE wrestler and Harvard football player, to solicit and study the brains of former athletes. She noted that while the symptoms of CTE can seem similar to those of Alzheimer's disease, "they represent a distinct disease with a distinct cause, namely repetitive head trauma."

Indeed, experts say CTE is the only fully preventable cause of dementia.

Stop smashing the head, particularly where and when it is particularly vulnerable, and you will stop brain damage. While scientists are now beginning to look for specific factors that might put individuals at particular risk for CTE, one thing is clear: Returning to play too soon after a concussion is extremely dangerous. But it's another, murkier, issue that has become even more worrisome for researchers studying concussions:

The brain damage of CTE may accumulate from blow to blow even when athletes seem to recover fully between injuries.

The brain damage of CTE may accumulate from blow to blow even when athletes seem to recover fully between injuries.

The NFL, whose Mild Traumatic Brain Injury (MTBI) committee has found "no evidence of worsening injury or chronic cumulative effects of multiple MTBIs in NFL players," says it's too early to draw that conclusion. For example, spokesman Greg Aiello tells ESPN the Magazine: "Hundreds of thousands of people have played football and other sports without experiencing any problem of this type. There continues to be considerable debate within the medical community on the precise long-term effects of concussions and how they relate to other risk factors, including pre-existing conditions or family history. We are currently funding an independent medical study of retired NFL players on the long-term effects of concussion, which we hope will contribute to the overall understanding of this issue."

But it's something to ponder this Super Bowl Sunday. Announcers and analysts are sure to glorify Ben Roethlisberger for bouncing back from the concussion that left him lying on the turf for nearly 15 minutes in Week 17, just as he came back from at least two concussions in 2006. But what if he's one hit away from brain damage he'll feel 15 years from now?

What if he's already one hit beyond it?

pappy - 5-3-2012 at 01:14 PM

he was the alpha male on the field and operated at a high energy level-as do many pro athletes. many suffer from depression, etc after retirement due to that lack of high energy game they were use to playing-the hitting, the runnng, the testosterone, etc what happens many times is you see a pattern of domestic violence, assault and at times suicide. once retired they are no longer the alpha, no longer in the spotlight,(probably no longer on 'roids,etc.) this all takes it's toll on them. some cope, some don't.

DianaT - 5-3-2012 at 01:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bob H
Quote:
Originally posted by DianaT
I am saddened that a healthy young man felt the need to do this and even sadder for his family.

I also hate to see the attacks on Woody for his feelings. I don't think anyone can begin to understand how suicide affects those left behind --- often with a lot of guilt feelings that they should have been able to stop it, anger, and it often destroys other members of the family. Having had a brother who committed suicide, my first feelings upon hearing this news were similar to Woody's. It is easy to be angry, angry for his family that he chose to commit the ultimate in selfish acts.

My thoughts are with those left behind and their inevitable struggle with coping with this tragedy.

[Edited on 5-3-2012 by DianaT]


Well stated! My best friend lost his Dad to suicide when he was a little boy, and he has very similar feelings as you and Woody. I think, unless you have experienced this in your own personal life, lay off on judgement from those who have.


Thanks Bob---

KASHEYDOG - 5-3-2012 at 05:23 PM

The Junior I knew........

RIP-225x225.jpg - 13kB

Bob H - 5-3-2012 at 08:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Quote:
Originally posted by woody with a view
he tried to do it going 75 mph off the cliffs in carlsbad a year ago, or so. what a turd! with everything he had and it wasn't enough?

i'll burn my #55 jersey as soon as i get home Friday......




Quote:
Originally posted by Bob H

.....he has very similar feelings as you and Woody. I think, unless you have experienced this in your own personal life, lay off on judgement from those who have.


How are you agreeing with Woody?


Skipjack, I'm just saying that we should not judge people's responses to Seau's suicide that have experienced a personal tragedy like this. I have never had to go through something like this and would not know how I would react if I did. Just my 2 cents here. Every individual is different.

woody with a view - 5-4-2012 at 07:18 PM

i appreciate that we all deal with death in our own ways. Junior was a hero of mine, so was my Grampa. they both let me down in their own selfish ways. so who am i to judge? look in the mirror while you ask yourself the same question. i may have come across harshly but that is what this is, harsh reality!

why is anyone bowing down to a man who, in his professional life, had everything any of us think we would want when at the same time none of us would trade places with him at this point? he had every chance to get his life straight. he won't EVER wake up again to see the sun sparkle on the surf at sunset or see the smile on his mothers face.

he could have eased his pain by volunteering at a children's hospital, maybe the burn unit? how about going overseas and being a "nobody" while doing the same?

if he died in a "car crash" :rolleyes: i would wear his jersey with pride. he turned out to care less for his family and their feelings than he did for any other thing in his life, so he ended it.

he was one of the greats on the field but a single decision subtracted greatly from his legacy. don't give me that crap about mental illness. nobody saw mental illness in his day to day actions. we are ALL a little off so to speak, so that theory doesn't hold water....

yellowklr - 5-4-2012 at 07:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by woody with a view
i appreciate that we all deal with death in our own ways. Junior was a hero of mine, so was my Grampa. they both let me down in their own selfish ways. so who am i to judge? look in the mirror while you ask yourself the same question. i may have come across harshly but that is what this is, harsh reality!

why is anyone bowing down to a man who, in his professional life, had everything any of us think we would want when at the same time none of us would trade places with him at this point? he had every chance to get his life straight. he won't EVER wake up again to see the sun sparkle on the surf at sunset or see the smile on his mothers face.

he could have eased his pain by volunteering at a children's hospital, maybe the burn unit? how about going overseas and being a "nobody" while doing the same?

if he died in a "car crash" :rolleyes: i would wear his jersey with pride. he turned out to care less for his family and their feelings than he did for any other thing in his life, so he ended it.

he was one of the greats on the field but a single decision subtracted greatly from his legacy. don't give me that crap about mental illness. nobody saw mental illness in his day to day actions. we are ALL a little off so to speak, so that theory doesn't hold water....


Well said.......Not to mention his "other" run in with the law

DENNIS - 5-4-2012 at 08:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by woody with a view
he was one of the greats on the field but a single decision subtracted greatly from his legacy.



It was HIS decision, Woody. Not what you would have done, but his way to escape his demons.
He lived his entire life trying to please you, but his final play was for himself.
Why deny him that?
Why try to make this about you....and your loss?
Don't you think he felt enough loss for both of you?

woody with a view - 5-4-2012 at 08:34 PM

it isn't about my loss! i've made my peace. i guess if i don't agree with the majority here i should just go away. i'll consider that.... i'm not denying him his final selfless act-he made it without anyone's consent, remember? just don't expect me to like it if any one here takes the easy way out.

we all have demons, so what? quit trying make it okay for bad behavior to become somehow acceptable or even something to be proud of.

not trying to pick any fights here, but suicide is a poor attempt at self gratification......

edit: why not go out into the mountains and squeeze one onto your chest so as to not make anyone have to deal with your carcass? if he really wanted it to end, why not just go do it where it would be an enigma? maybe no one would ever know what happened to him. that is the stuff of legacies, not having your ol' lady discover your remnants. tuff guy?

[Edited on 5-5-2012 by woody with a view]

Cleaning up afterwards

MrBillM - 5-4-2012 at 09:58 PM

Had a neighbor go the .44 self-checkout route a few years back.

Walked out into his driveway in the wee hours and ate one. Hadn't willed his Brain.

Another neighbor and mutual friend said that he'd mentioned it a few times and said that he didn't want to leave a mess in the house for someone to clean up. As it was, a quick hose-down was all that was needed after the County finished up.

He WAS a nice guy.

bajadogs - 5-5-2012 at 12:00 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by MrBillM
Had a neighbor go the .44 self-checkout route a few years back.

Walked out into his driveway in the wee hours and ate one. Hadn't willed his Brain.

Another neighbor and mutual friend said that he'd mentioned it a few times and said that he didn't want to leave a mess in the house for someone to clean up. As it was, a quick hose-down was all that was needed after the County finished up.

He WAS a nice guy.



Hmmmm, People around you get the urge, um, to kill themselves. All your neighbors commit suicide???

[Edited on 5-5-2012 by bajadogs]

DENNIS - 5-5-2012 at 06:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by woody with a view
we all have demons, so what?


Probably so, but not the same ones.


Quote:

edit: why not go out into the mountains and squeeze one onto your chest so as to not make anyone have to deal with your carcass? if he really wanted it to end, why not just go do it where it would be an enigma? maybe no one would ever know what happened to him. that is the stuff of legacies, not having your ol' lady discover your remnants. tuff guy?



Woody....are you suggesting an "etiquette" for suicide? It's a very oriental notion....like Hari Kari.....which does have an accepted place in Japanese society, even today.
Interesting thought. The little knife could be incorporated into the football uniform.

KASHEYDOG - 5-5-2012 at 07:37 AM

We've all heard that we shouldn't judge others, but today we have a very special video that really shows why judging someone is not only close-minded but never the right thing to do. The top video below of a boy named Jonathan and his friend Charlotte will touch your heart like none other. It's the video that has everyone talking. Have a wonderful day and God bless.



"Do not judge, or you too, will be judged." - Matthew 7:1


http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=kt3Utn4mjeg

woody with a view - 5-5-2012 at 08:16 AM

that's a great video for sure!!!

i don't know how it fits here tho. preconceived notions have been around since the humans started walking upright. my point isn't stereotyping.

having an opinion on bad behavior is not a crime. sure, i see how stupid Junior's action was. i wish he was strong enough to get some help, heck i wish all of us nothing but the best from this merry-go-round life. it still doesn't negate the fact that he made a bad decision that costs everyone around him more than it did him. and that is saying a lot.

maybe if i watch enough news on the tv so that when they finally get around to naming I-8 the I-55 i'll get it. but don't hold your breath on that!

woody with a view - 5-5-2012 at 08:17 AM

anyone notice the banner ad above?

Ateo - 5-5-2012 at 08:46 AM

Yeah Woody, my banner says suicide prevention pledge. I also noticed in the tire thread recently an ad for tires. Smart......I guess.

Bob H - 5-5-2012 at 08:51 AM

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Originally posted by KASHEYDOG
We've all heard that we shouldn't judge others, but today we have a very special video that really shows why judging someone is not only close-minded but never the right thing to do. The top video below of a boy named Jonathan and his friend Charlotte will touch your heart like none other. It's the video that has everyone talking. Have a wonderful day and God bless.



"Do not judge, or you too, will be judged." - Matthew 7:1


http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=kt3Utn4mjeg


WOW! That was great and too the point!

Skipjack Joe - 5-5-2012 at 09:06 AM

The christian churches consider suicide to be a mortal sin, of course. The gift of life can't be willfully extinguished. I guess it's like abortion, only at the other end of a lifespan.

But almost nobody pays attention to that anymore.

Gary Plummer has voiced his opinion this morning about this suicide and the NFL. All speculation.

It's hard to believe that he didn't confide in anyone about his depressions all these years.

Very Beautiful, Dick...

EnsenadaDr - 5-5-2012 at 09:19 AM

Dick, that was just beautiful, and I love that song...The Prayer...I love the way Andrea Bocelli sings it with Celine Dion...and I loved the way these two sang it. BTW, how have you been???
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Originally posted by KASHEYDOG
We've all heard that we shouldn't judge others, but today we have a very special video that really shows why judging someone is not only close-minded but never the right thing to do. The top video below of a boy named Jonathan and his friend Charlotte will touch your heart like none other. It's the video that has everyone talking. Have a wonderful day and God bless.



"Do not judge, or you too, will be judged." - Matthew 7:1


http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=kt3Utn4mjeg

The Junior I knew..

EnsenadaDr - 5-5-2012 at 09:22 AM

Junior Seau was an entertainer on the field, and off the field, he loved playing for the Chargers and loved the attention he got. Sadly, I believe nothing came close to this in later years and maybe he felt this was his only option.
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Originally posted by KASHEYDOG
The Junior I knew........

Get your theology in better shape

thebajarunner - 5-5-2012 at 09:49 AM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
The christian churches consider suicide to be a mortal sin, of course. The gift of life can't be willfully extinguished. I guess it's like abortion, only at the other end of a lifespan.

But almost nobody pays attention to that anymore.

Gary Plummer has voiced his opinion this morning about this suicide and the NFL. All speculation.

It's hard to believe that he didn't confide in anyone about his depressions all these years.


I am not a Roman Catholic, but I understand that this church considers suicide to be as you have portrayed.

Most present day Protestant churches (I happen to be a Presbyterian elder) would more likely consider it to be, as has been portrayed on this thread, a manifestation of mental issues, and this act alone would not condemn your soul.

Sorry to pop your bubble, but that is the way it would be seen in most non-Roman churches.

Skipjack Joe - 5-5-2012 at 09:52 AM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr

Sadly, I believe nothing came close to this in later years and maybe he felt this was his only option.


That's when it was time to switch gears. The NFL is now being pressured to provide counseling to former players to make a smooth transition.

Smooth Transition..

EnsenadaDr - 5-5-2012 at 10:00 AM

It sounds all well and good theoretically, but in actuality, you really have to accept the fact that there may be summits in your life that you will never reach again...and, in that respect, may be part of this counseling. There is a possibility that some out there don't want to accept it.
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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr

Sadly, I believe nothing came close to this in later years and maybe he felt this was his only option.


That's when it was time to switch gears. The NFL is now being pressured to provide counseling to former players to make a smooth transition.

Ateo - 5-5-2012 at 10:10 AM

I really don't care what the church thinks about suicide. I don't need a church or a 2000 year old book to tell me that suicide sucks. It appears to be an easy way out for the person doing it, but look at the damage it does to those left behind.

Skipjack Joe - 5-5-2012 at 10:11 AM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
It sounds all well and good theoretically, but in actuality, you really have to accept the fact that there may be summits in your life that you will never reach again...and, in that respect, may be part of this counseling. There is a possibility that some out there don't want to accept it.
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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr

Sadly, I believe nothing came close to this in later years and maybe he felt this was his only option.


That's when it was time to switch gears. The NFL is now being pressured to provide counseling to former players to make a smooth transition.


Yes, I agree.

I keep thinking of Hemingway's suicide. His father made the same choice as did his brother. It wasn't mental illness as much as a belief in how life should be led.

After they zapped his brain repeatedly he was unable to write. He lost much of his memory which he needed to draw from for the writings. The quality of life had dropped to a level that was unacceptable.

EnsenadaDr - 5-5-2012 at 10:22 AM

Looks like Junior Seau's family is going to allow research on his brain...

Skipjack Joe - 5-5-2012 at 10:26 AM

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Originally posted by ateo
I really don't care what the church thinks about suicide. I don't need a church or a 2000 year old book to tell me that suicide sucks. It appears to be an easy way out for the person doing it, but look at the damage it does to those left behind.


It's one and the same, I think. These religious vices and virtues simply support basic social needs.

Christianity wouldn't be here now if the commandments stated:
1) Thou shalt kill
2) Thou shalt covet thy neighbors wife.
etc.

KASHEYDOG - 5-5-2012 at 10:38 AM

Woody, I would suggest that before we judge Junior or anybody for suicide that we try to comprehend what kind of "demons" they were dealing with to drive them to such a tragic action. We ALL have our demons or issues. We All deal with them in different ways. Like you Woody, I do not believe in suicide as a solution for anything. But having been through 65 years of life including the Vietnam War and having seen many friends and co workers go through their own horrors in life. Before judging I always try to think of how horrible would it have to be to drive me to suicide. I try to experience myself in their position. My only conclusion is always the same, IT MUST BE EXCRUCIATING.
Junior had a wonderful life. Great family support, thousands of loyal fans, hundreds of friends, fame, fortune, family....etc. How horrible of a demon would it take to do what he has done. There was obviously a lot of pain there somewhere. Junior had a super strong body and a love of life that was equally strong. He was truly a "superman" and at the same time he still had that little boy inside of him that we all loved. I can't imagine the incredible amount of pain he was suffering psychologically that drove him to this extreme. I went for happy hour and dinner with him just a couple of weeks before. He seemed very happy and normal that night. He wouldn't let me drive home. He called his girlfriend and had her come down and drive us both home. I still can't believe this has happened. I only wish I could have said something or done something to change his mind. But it seems he never reached out to anybody for help. Guess he thought he was just too strong to ask for help.......:no:...:(....:no:
Woody, before you burn your #55 Seau jersey ask yourself, "how horrible would it have to be to drive you to suicide. Think about it before you answer yourself. IMAGINE for a minute because it IS possible for any one of us. It's just a matter of how bad it would have to be. And "I'd never do it" is not a valid answer.

Before we condemn Junior for his last and desperate action. Let's remember all the good things he did and give him credit for being the wonderful man he was
........:yes:

Brings back sad memories..

EnsenadaDr - 5-5-2012 at 10:50 AM

I have this wonderful friend, who was married to a guy who had a fantastic personality. My friend is very shy, and he was quite the opposite. They had a gorgeous wedding in Ridgefield, Connecticut at a place called Stonehenge. We would all go out for Mexican food in the 1980's in Connecticut to a place called Tortilla Flats in Danbury. Rich was a wonderful guy, so intelligent, so full of life. When my son was five years old, he played Mario Bros. with him for hours. He was an editor for a magazine about Flying; his dad had been a commercial pilot for a major airline. They were married for 20 years, and then, suddenly he started acting wierd. He told my friend they needed to move out of their townhouse they had paid on all those years. He said he felt it was contaminated. A few months later he went to lunch with his brother, left to go outside to the bathroom, and shot himself by a tree. My poor friend, she never quite got over it...and I miss her husband very much...he was a wonderful person, ironically you could say he was so full of life.
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Originally posted by KASHEYDOG
Woody, I would suggest that before we judge Junior or anybody for suicide that we try to comprehend what kind of "demons" they were dealing with to drive them to such a tragic action. We ALL have our demons or issues. We All deal with them in different ways. Like you Woody, I do not believe in suicide as a solution for anything. But having been through 65 years of life including the Vietnam War and having seen many friends and co workers go through their own horrors in life. Before judging I always try to think of how horrible would it have to be to drive me to suicide. I try to experience myself in their position. My only conclusion is always the same, IT MUST BE EXCRUCIATING.
Junior had a wonderful life. Great family support, thousands of loyal fans, hundreds of friends, fame, fortune, family....etc. How horrible of a demon would it take to do what he has done. There was obviously a lot of pain there somewhere. Junior had a super strong body and a love of life that was equally strong. He was truly a "superman" and at the same time he still had that little boy inside of him that we all loved. I can't imagine the incredible amount of pain he was suffering psychologically that drove him to this extreme. I went for happy hour and dinner with him just a couple of weeks before. He seemed very happy and normal that night. He wouldn't let me drive home. He called his girlfriend and had her come down and drive us both home. I still can't believe this has happened. I only wish I could have said something or done something to change his mind. But it seems he never reached out to anybody for help. Guess he thought he was just too strong to ask for help.......:no:...:(....:no:
Woody, before you burn your #55 Seau jersey ask yourself, "how horrible would it have to be to drive you to suicide. Think about it before you answer yourself. IMAGINE for a minute because it IS possible for any one of us. It's just a matter of how bad it would have to be. And "I'd never do it" is not a valid answer.

Before we condemn Junior for his last and desperate action. Let's remember all the good things he did and give him credit for being the wonderful man he was
........:yes:

Skipjack Joe - 5-5-2012 at 11:23 AM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I have this wonderful friend, who was married to a guy who had a fantastic personality. My friend is very shy, and he was quite the opposite. They had a gorgeous wedding in Ridgefield, Connecticut at a place called Stonehenge. We would all go out for Mexican food in the 1980's in Connecticut to a place called Tortilla Flats in Danbury. Rich was a wonderful guy, so intelligent, so full of life. When my son was five years old, he played Mario Bros. with him for hours. He was an editor for a magazine about Flying; his dad had been a commercial pilot for a major airline. They were married for 20 years, and then, suddenly he started acting wierd. He told my friend they needed to move out of their townhouse they had paid on all those years. He said he felt it was contaminated. A few months later he went to lunch with his brother, left to go outside to the bathroom, and shot himself by a tree. My poor friend, she never quite got over it...and I miss her husband very much...he was a wonderful person, ironically you could say he was so full of life


There's your clue (in bold).

Yeah, for sure..

EnsenadaDr - 5-5-2012 at 12:48 PM

So Skipjack, are you saying he was losing it??
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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I have this wonderful friend, who was married to a guy who had a fantastic personality. My friend is very shy, and he was quite the opposite. They had a gorgeous wedding in Ridgefield, Connecticut at a place called Stonehenge. We would all go out for Mexican food in the 1980's in Connecticut to a place called Tortilla Flats in Danbury. Rich was a wonderful guy, so intelligent, so full of life. When my son was five years old, he played Mario Bros. with him for hours. He was an editor for a magazine about Flying; his dad had been a commercial pilot for a major airline. They were married for 20 years, and then, suddenly he started acting wierd. He told my friend they needed to move out of their townhouse they had paid on all those years. He said he felt it was contaminated. A few months later he went to lunch with his brother, left to go outside to the bathroom, and shot himself by a tree. My poor friend, she never quite got over it...and I miss her husband very much...he was a wonderful person, ironically you could say he was so full of life


There's your clue (in bold).

Ateo - 5-5-2012 at 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Quote:
Originally posted by ateo
I really don't care what the church thinks about suicide. I don't need a church or a 2000 year old book to tell me that suicide sucks. It appears to be an easy way out for the person doing it, but look at the damage it does to those left behind.


It's one and the same, I think. These religious vices and virtues simply support basic social needs.

Christianity wouldn't be here now if the commandments stated:
1) Thou shalt kill
2) Thou shalt covet thy neighbors wife.
etc.


Agreed.

Cisco - 5-5-2012 at 01:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I have this wonderful friend, who was married to a guy who had a fantastic personality. My friend is very shy, and he was quite the opposite. They had a gorgeous wedding in Ridgefield, Connecticut at a place called Stonehenge. We would all go out for Mexican food in the 1980's in Connecticut to a place called Tortilla Flats in Danbury. Rich was a wonderful guy, so intelligent, so full of life. When my son was five years old, he played Mario Bros. with him for hours. He was an editor for a magazine about Flying; his dad had been a commercial pilot for a major airline. They were married for 20 years, and then, suddenly he started acting wierd. He told my friend they needed to move out of their townhouse they had paid on all those years. He said he felt it was contaminated. A few months later he went to lunch with his brother, left to go outside to the bathroom, and shot himself by a tree. My poor friend, she never quite got over it...and I miss her husband very much...he was a wonderful person, ironically you could say he was so full of life.
Quote:
Originally posted by KASHEYDOG
Woody, I would suggest that before we judge Junior or anybody for suicide that we try to comprehend what kind of "demons" they were dealing with to drive them to such a tragic action. We ALL have our demons or issues. We All deal with them in different ways. Like you Woody, I do not believe in suicide as a solution for anything. But having been through 65 years of life including the Vietnam War and having seen many friends and co workers go through their own horrors in life. Before judging I always try to think of how horrible would it have to be to drive me to suicide. I try to experience myself in their position. My only conclusion is always the same, IT MUST BE EXCRUCIATING.
Junior had a wonderful life. Great family support, thousands of loyal fans, hundreds of friends, fame, fortune, family....etc. How horrible of a demon would it take to do what he has done. There was obviously a lot of pain there somewhere. Junior had a super strong body and a love of life that was equally strong. He was truly a "superman" and at the same time he still had that little boy inside of him that we all loved. I can't imagine the incredible amount of pain he was suffering psychologically that drove him to this extreme. I went for happy hour and dinner with him just a couple of weeks before. He seemed very happy and normal that night. He wouldn't let me drive home. He called his girlfriend and had her come down and drive us both home. I still can't believe this has happened. I only wish I could have said something or done something to change his mind. But it seems he never reached out to anybody for help. Guess he thought he was just too strong to ask for help.......:no:...:(....:no:
Woody, before you burn your #55 Seau jersey ask yourself, "how horrible would it have to be to drive you to suicide. Think about it before you answer yourself. IMAGINE for a minute because it IS possible for any one of us. It's just a matter of how bad it would have to be. And "I'd never do it" is not a valid answer.

Before we condemn Junior for his last and desperate action. Let's remember all the good things he did and give him credit for being the wonderful man he was
........:yes:




Your living is determined not so much by what life brings to you as by the attitude you bring to life; not so much by what happens to you as by the way your mind looks at what happens.
Khalil Gibran

capt. mike - 5-5-2012 at 02:01 PM

how's the chow at his restaurant? i never got to go there when i was in SD working 2001-2004.

DENNIS - 5-5-2012 at 02:05 PM

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Originally posted by capt. mike
how's the chow at his restaurant? i never got to go there when i was in SD working 2001-2004.


Probably pretty good for a sports bar. Nice place, in a mall down in Mission Valley.

Cypress - 5-5-2012 at 02:13 PM

Suicide! Almost everyone has a family member or friend who's taken that route out. It's hard, lot's of if's, but's and maybe's. But they did it. They finally took a shot at the demons that were whispering in their ear. Pray that that those demons don't start whispering to you..

Skipjack Joe - 5-5-2012 at 02:18 PM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
So Skipjack, are you saying he was losing it??
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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I have this wonderful friend, who was married to a guy who had a fantastic personality. My friend is very shy, and he was quite the opposite. They had a gorgeous wedding in Ridgefield, Connecticut at a place called Stonehenge. We would all go out for Mexican food in the 1980's in Connecticut to a place called Tortilla Flats in Danbury. Rich was a wonderful guy, so intelligent, so full of life. When my son was five years old, he played Mario Bros. with him for hours. He was an editor for a magazine about Flying; his dad had been a commercial pilot for a major airline. They were married for 20 years, and then, suddenly he started acting wierd. He told my friend they needed to move out of their townhouse they had paid on all those years. He said he felt it was contaminated. A few months later he went to lunch with his brother, left to go outside to the bathroom, and shot himself by a tree. My poor friend, she never quite got over it...and I miss her husband very much...he was a wonderful person, ironically you could say he was so full of life


There's your clue (in bold).


That type of attitude is a sign of obssessive compulsive behavior that is often associated with mental illness. If you've seen Scorceses "The Aviator" note how Howard Hughes fastidiousness is shown as that of a man losing his mind. It all comes after an emergency crash landing with blows to the head.

From what you've described that's the only thing that jumps out as abnormal, a red flag. Of course it's a long ways from being suicidal. I have an autistic son and he's not suicidal.

It just seems that once you have erratic behavior like that it could go in many directions.

KASHEYDOG - 5-5-2012 at 02:18 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Suicide! Almost everyone has a family member or friend who's taken that route out. It's hard, lot's of if's, but's and maybe's. But they did it. They finally took a shot at the demons that were whispering in their ear. Pray that that those demons don't start whispering to you..

AMEN

[Edited on 5-5-12 by KASHEYDOG]

woody with a view - 5-5-2012 at 02:20 PM

Kashey

i get your point in that he was someone you considered a friend, and he was pained. trying to make what he did okay, shooting himself, is just putting "lipstick on a pig" to coin a phrase.

we have our own versions of what is right and wrong, some are even similar versions. i hope we can find enough good in our lives that nothing like this happens to anyone here.

there is always a reason to live! don't be a cop out.....

Cisco - 5-5-2012 at 02:22 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Suicide! Almost everyone has a family member or friend who's taken that route out. It's hard, lot's of if's, but's and maybe's. But they did it. They finally took a shot at the demons that were whispering in their ear. Pray that that those demons don't start whispering to you..


Many consider suicide to be a valuable and very viable option Cypress.

When certain aspects of your life reach proportions that dictate that type of solution it can be a very rational decision, there are no demons involved.

Cypress - 5-5-2012 at 02:48 PM

Cisco, You got a problem with demons?:biggrin:

KASHEYDOG - 5-5-2012 at 03:13 PM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
Kashey

i get your point in that he was someone you considered a friend, and he was pained. trying to make what he did okay, shooting himself, is just putting "lipstick on a pig" to coin a phrase.

we have our own versions of what is right and wrong, some are even similar versions. i hope we can find enough good in our lives that nothing like this happens to anyone here.

there is always a reason to live! don't be a cop out.....


Thanks Woody...;D Not trying to make suicide OK here. Just saying that some people cannot bear their own pain. As I said, I don't believe in it either and it would have to be horrendous for me to even consider. So I can't even imagine what it was he or any other person is suffering from that would lead to such drastic results. Having never experienced anything like that I can't even begin to judge them. And believe me I've had my ups and downs in life....:smug:;D
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DEMONS ?? WHAT DEMONS ???

KASHEYDOG - 5-5-2012 at 03:20 PM

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Ha Ha

EnsenadaDr - 5-5-2012 at 03:57 PM

Pee Wee??? He only liked living in his little playhouse...give him a break Dick...ha ha!!! (oh yeah, and going to dark movie theatres :fire:
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Cypress - 5-5-2012 at 04:09 PM

KASHEYDOG and EnsenadaDr., This a joking matter? Comical?:O

KASHEYDOG - 5-5-2012 at 04:47 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
KASHEYDOG and EnsenadaDr., This a joking matter? Comical?:O


Sooner or later ya just gotta go back to life and laughter, Cypress. Doesn't hurt to lighten it up a little........:yes:...:P

Comical???

EnsenadaDr - 5-5-2012 at 07:29 PM

We are laughing about Pee Wee, not about Seau...seems you haven't been following the thread closely...
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Originally posted by Cypress
KASHEYDOG and EnsenadaDr., This a joking matter? Comical?:O

bajadogs - 5-5-2012 at 09:57 PM

For those of you who know of the "Kook" sculpture in Cardiff, it wore a #55 Chargers Jersey all day today, with a football at his feet and all. I'm sorry I didn't take a photo.

mtgoat666 - 5-6-2012 at 01:50 AM

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Originally posted by Bob H
It was reported that Junior had previsouly asked that his brain be sent to a lab for research when he dies, thus the reason for shooting himself in the chest, to preserve his brain for research.


why would anybody want his particular brain for research?
we all know that boxers and football players got brain damage -- doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

a lot of football players out there, so researchers probably have many boxes of footballer brains in formaldehyde (by the way, for the next brain donor, how should we preserve brain for research? vinegar, formaldehyde, refrigeration, freezing or drying? how did igor preserve the brains when he harvested for dr f?

anywho, why are y'all chatting about the brain donor? what's it got to do with baja?

Skipjack Joe - 5-6-2012 at 08:02 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

how did igor preserve the brains when he harvested for dr f?



I mistakenly got the one from Abbey Normal.

Off topic..

EnsenadaDr - 5-6-2012 at 08:05 AM

Yes, it is an off topic subject that unfortunately wasn't placed in the off topic forum. Its unfortunate also that you don't see the medical advantage of research on the brain, formaldehyde can destroy the microvascular network and chemical reactions necessary for research, so in this case, the brain would be helpful, at least for initial research. I find it fascinating myself, and if we can find a link to how to prevent these problems, I say continue on. Baja has many members, including myself, who are interested in psychology and medicine, and American issues as well, after all, many of us are still Americans. Sorry we aren't discussing the latest worm found in a bottle of tequila.
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Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by Bob H
It was reported that Junior had previsouly asked that his brain be sent to a lab for research when he dies, thus the reason for shooting himself in the chest, to preserve his brain for research.


why would anybody want his particular brain for research?
we all know that boxers and football players got brain damage -- doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

a lot of football players out there, so researchers probably have many boxes of footballer brains in formaldehyde (by the way, for the next brain donor, how should we preserve brain for research? vinegar, formaldehyde, refrigeration, freezing or drying? how did igor preserve the brains when he harvested for dr f?

anywho, why are y'all chatting about the brain donor? what's it got to do with baja?

KASHEYDOG - 5-6-2012 at 10:01 AM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Yes, it is an off topic subject that unfortunately wasn't placed in the off topic forum. Its unfortunate also that you don't see the medical advantage of research on the brain, formaldehyde can destroy the microvascular network and chemical reactions necessary for research, so in this case, the brain would be helpful, at least for initial research. I find it fascinating myself, and if we can find a link to how to prevent these problems, I say continue on. Baja has many members, including myself, who are interested in psychology and medicine, and American issues as well, after all, many of us are still Americans. Sorry we aren't discussing the latest worm found in a bottle of tequila.
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OOOWWW !!! Doc, that hurts !!!!!.......:lol::

capt. mike - 5-6-2012 at 12:05 PM

Anything new on that girl found hanging at the mansion on Del Coronado??
cops said suicide others say murder.

Lee - 5-6-2012 at 04:06 PM

Hundreds of surfers celebrate Seau's life and say goodbye in a paddle-out at O'side -- in front of his home.

Don't think anyone today was calling Seau a coward or judging his actions as morally wrong. Nice.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/05/surfer-paddle-...

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