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Bajamatic - 5-10-2012 at 05:49 PM

I just got a call from a very distressed friend who sat down for a meal at Tio Lupe's (I think) in Loreto this afternoon and was treated very rudely and then reports that he was drugged. They're locked safely in his hotel room but very freaked out about it. He and his girlfriend took a few sips of their beers and within a few minutes were hit really hard by something - both are "experienced" beer drinkers. Anyone know anything about this place? Ever heard of this happening in Loreto??

[Edited on 5-21-2012 by Bajamatic]

Marc - 5-10-2012 at 06:21 PM

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Originally posted by Bajamatic
I just got a call from a very distressed friend who sat down for a meal at Tio Lupe's (I think) in Loreto this afternoon and was treated very rudely and then reports that he was drugged. They're locked safely in his hotel room but very freaked out about it. He and his girlfriend took a few sips of their beers and within a few minutes were hit really hard by something - both are "experienced" beer drinkers. Anyone know anything about this place? Ever heard of this happening in Loreto??

I would like to know more about this.

Are you sure?

Howard - 5-10-2012 at 07:38 PM

I have never heard of anything like this in Loreto. Even though I do not frequent Tio Lupe's, it is a large restaurant with a decent reputation.

Please confirm the story that this was in fact the place.

I would love to hear more but only as factual information .

.

acadist - 5-10-2012 at 07:43 PM

We have eaten there many times and always enjoyed it, but not recently

mcfez - 5-10-2012 at 08:23 PM

Not taken to a Hospital for blood work.....medical help?

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Lee - 5-10-2012 at 09:23 PM

Rude service and a drug reaction might mean a drink was spiked. GHB (liquid x), ketamine (animal tranq) could have rapid onset. Maybe someone didn't like gringoes assuming these were gringoes.

Roofies are mellow and still available in Baja. Doesn't sound like this.

A bartender once told me he spiked drinks with eye drops if he didn't like someone. Think the outcome was diarrhea or GI problems.

burnrope - 5-10-2012 at 10:37 PM

Ahhh... Getting dosed, brings back memories of the good old days in Baja.

[Edited on 5-11-2012 by burnrope]

motoged - 5-10-2012 at 10:43 PM

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Originally posted by Lee......
A bartender once told me he spiked drinks with eye drops if he didn't like someone. Think the outcome was diarrhea or GI problems.

Ya mean I have to stop using Visine??? :biggrin:

burnrope - 5-11-2012 at 03:10 PM

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Nosy people want to know. What was the outcome? Was Ramuna involved?

Lindalou - 5-11-2012 at 03:18 PM

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Originally posted by Lee
Rude service and a drug reaction might mean a drink was spiked. GHB (liquid x), ketamine (animal tranq) could have rapid onset. Maybe someone didn't like gringoes assuming these were gringoes.

Roofies are mellow and still available in Baja. Doesn't sound like this.

A bartender once told me he spiked drinks with eye drops if he didn't like someone. Think the outcome was diarrhea or GI problems.

bartenders in elko nv. at casinos put eyedrops in drinks when the pit bosses told them. Also if they were drinking a bottle of coke they spiked it half way with vodka. I know this first hand I was a c-cktail waitress for awhile.

Bajamatic - 5-11-2012 at 03:19 PM

Ok so a my friend Ed wanted me to wait until he was airborne to tell the story. He's airborne, so here it is:

Ed and his girldfriend went out for some yellows out of Loreto yesterday afternoon. It was a little slow, but they bagged a nice sized fish and after they returned to town they hopped into a cab (they were staying at the Inn) and asked to stop for some food on the way out. The cabbie drove them to Tio Lupe's. They were the only one's there. Someone dropped menus at their table and walked off. The guy returned a few minutes later and asked in Spanish what they wanted to eat. Ed replied in English. The guy then rudely huffed and said, "Oh - you are Americans". He snatched the menus and walked away. Ed was confused why the menus were taken away and so they waited for a few minutes until the guy came back, no menus in hand. "It's fine" he said "We don't really need menus - we'll take 4 tacos and 2 beers". The beers took at least ten minutes. The guy set the beers down and walked away. After 2-3 minutes and a few sips of beer, Ed started to feel a heavy onset of what he described as a clear reaction to some kind of drug. He asked his girlfriend if she felt ok and she said she felt like she was tanked all of a sudden. He agreed - they were all of a sudden bombed. Frightened, they asked for the food to go, but the guy now encouraged them to stay. Ed wasn't having it. They walked outside and looked for the cabbie, who asked why they were leaving so soon. He also encouraged them to go back. They refused to go back inside and left without the food they paid for and went straight back to their hotel room and vomited and locked themselves in their room fearing the cabbie would try to break in and rob them.

They're home safe now.

So there's the story. It's the second time I've heard of this happening, the first being a nomad thread about two guys in a bar in la paz, and I recall that those guys ended up being "robbed" by the bar tender and got police involved and it sounded like a big mess. I'm glad Ed had the wherewithal to get the hell out of there, even if what they think happened didn't actually happen. Stay Alert, Stay Alive.

bigmike58 - 5-11-2012 at 05:20 PM

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Originally posted by burnrope

Nosy people want to know. What was the outcome? Was Ramuna involved?

LMAO!

Bajamatic

Howard - 5-11-2012 at 05:57 PM

What if anything do your friends want to do to right the wrong?

If they desire, give me a description or name of the waiter exact time and date of the incident and I will somehow get that information to the owner, whomever he or she is. I do not want to get directly involved but would be more than happy to act as a go between to inform the owner of what went down and then back away and let them handle it as they see fit or desire.

If your friends are that insistent that it happen exactly the way they said, I would love nothing better to do than to TRY to make sure it does not happen again. I will stick my neck out as far as only telling the owner anonymously that the way your friend described it.

woody with a view - 5-11-2012 at 10:18 PM

let it go. you or yours may wake up minus a kidney, or your virtue.....

Bajamatic - 5-11-2012 at 10:27 PM

Exactly. There is nothing sought here. Just information For those who want it - take it for what it is. My friend felt like he was being targeted and so he ejected from the situation. In my eyes he did the right thing. If reports start popping up similar to this then there's real cause for concern. If not, then it's one of those things. Hopefully it's the latter.

"I will stick my neck out as far as only telling the owner anonymously that the way your friend described it."

Howard - 5-12-2012 at 07:07 AM

Please note my above sentence in my original post. It's your call if you want to drop it but in my opinion, we should make some type of attempt that it does not happen again.

gnukid - 5-12-2012 at 07:22 AM

Howard go down there and esplain to the guy the charge! Though it never seems to help much to esplain to the criminals that you don't like them being, well, criminal...

mtgoat666 - 5-12-2012 at 07:24 AM

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Originally posted by Howard
What if anything do your friends want to do to right the wrong?

If they desire, give me a description or name of the waiter exact time and date of the incident and I will somehow get that information to the owner, whomever he or she is. I do not want to get directly involved but would be more than happy to act as a go between to inform the owner of what went down and then back away and let them handle it as they see fit or desire.

If your friends are that insistent that it happen exactly the way they said, I would love nothing better to do than to TRY to make sure it does not happen again. I will stick my neck out as far as only telling the owner anonymously that the way your friend described it.

get the warning out. tell the experience on tripadvisor and places like this. no one should go there if staff or owner is doing or allowing this ch1t. i don't know the town well, is restaurant a local place or a tourist place?

Curt63 - 5-12-2012 at 07:31 AM

Im pretty sure they are not spiking drinks with visine. They use the little bottle cause its easy to conceal and is ideal for inserting drug laced liquid into a drink.

One of my personally appointed responsibilities as a high school teacher is to warn kids about the crap that can happen to them at parties, bars drinking, drugs etc. I even show the kids those red asphalt movies at Saturday School.

Howard - 5-12-2012 at 07:40 AM

It's Bajamatic's call, not mine.

If he says OK, then I will proceed. If he wants to let it go, I will respect that also, no matter what I think about the matter.

If he wants me to proceed I would like a description of the waiter so I do not go up to him with a date and approx. time it occured.

gnukid - 5-12-2012 at 07:45 AM

The taxi driver is a primary suspect. See if you can get some info to identify the taxista.

Tio Lupes..

LaTijereta - 5-12-2012 at 07:58 AM

We take our fish there about every two weeks.. The best place in town in my opinion to take fresh fish to be prepared..
Our last two trips included fresh yellowtail cooked three ways... and a nice pargo "butterfly" on the BBQ..
Prices are very fair..and the margaritas are killer.. :cool:

acadist - 5-12-2012 at 08:12 AM

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Originally posted by LaTijereta
We take our fish there about every two weeks.. The best place in town in my opinion to take fresh fish to be prepared..
Our last two trips included fresh yellowtail cooked three ways... and a nice pargo "butterfly" on the BBQ..
Prices are very fair..and the margaritas are killer.. :cool:

And the Lobster Coronado is awesome

woody with a view - 5-12-2012 at 08:21 AM

that butterfly looks AWESOME!

Fishmagician - 5-12-2012 at 08:40 AM

your friend should see his M.D. there may be a possibility that traces of the substance remains in a detectable amount. That might be the clincher in this story and be what the owner needs to follow through...

dtbushpilot - 5-12-2012 at 08:55 AM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
that butterfly looks AWESOME!

X2, that looks fantastic! I'm gonna learn how to do that!....dt

LaTijereta - 5-12-2012 at 10:26 AM

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Originally posted by dtbushpilot

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Originally posted by woody with a view
that butterfly looks AWESOME!

X2, that looks fantastic! I'm gonna learn how to do that!....dt

Here is how Tio Lupe's grill works...

mtgoat666 - 5-12-2012 at 03:41 PM

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best place in town? perhaps if you want to be slipped a mickey and be robbed!

byob seems safest bet for patrons!!!!

bill erhardt - 5-12-2012 at 03:51 PM

"Tio Lupes..
We take our fish there about every two weeks.. The best place in town in my opinion to take fresh fish to be prepared..
Our last two trips included fresh yellowtail cooked three ways... and a nice pargo "butterfly" on the BBQ..
Prices are very fair..and the margaritas are killer.. :cool:

"

La Tijerita.....That's easy for you to say, but if you were a gringo they'd be trying to poison you too. (Oh, you are a gringo?)
What are you trying to do, dampen down the hysteria?
What fun is that?
I think I'm going to go home and lock myself in my palapa.....

Bajahowodd - 5-12-2012 at 04:18 PM

My take on this:

The original scenario where it was claimed that if someone spoke English, or was not Mexican, that they took away the menus....

Get real. This is and has been a town very dependent upon tourism. Why would that happen?

That said, I have to admit that we had a similar experience in El Rosario a few years back, and repeated the next year. But El Rosario is not a destination vacation place as is Loreto.

I'm not going to accuse the original so-called "victim" of lying, but, I would also want to know more about their experiences in Mexico and their usual attitude. There has been for many years an "ugly American" thingy, where US tourists, wherever throughout the world, overtly act like superiors, thereby turning the locals off.

Howard - 5-12-2012 at 04:26 PM

I don't know about the rest of you, but I do not think of myself as superior.

King Howard

DavidE - 5-12-2012 at 08:45 PM

For an absolute fact Rohypnol®, is banned in Mexico. Sector Salud (with the PGR) would crucify anyone found in possession of it.

I know of several tourist bars that got tired of tourists complaining about weak margaritas so they pepped them up with aguardiente, but that's an entirely different issue.

If I had ever felt that I had been drugged, off to the clinica I would go for a blood draw. The ministerio Publico would take a rather dim view of knockout medication found in a blood draw. Then comes a visit to PROFECO, and finally SECTUR. If found to be an authentic doping all the bad people would wish they were dead before it was all over.

[Edited on 5-13-2012 by DavidE]

Lee - 5-13-2012 at 09:50 AM

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Originally posted by DavidE
For an absolute fact Rohypnol®, is banned in Mexico. Sector Salud (with the PGR) would crucify anyone found in possession of it.
[Edited on 5-13-2012 by DavidE]

Not to be contrary, but, I know for a fact it is sold openly in pharmacies in Tiajuana. With a MX doctor's prescription, I could show you at least one pharmacy.

Bajahowodd - 5-13-2012 at 04:20 PM

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Originally posted by Howard
I don't know about the rest of you, but I do not think of myself as superior.

King Howard

-Prince Howard

Howard - 5-13-2012 at 05:55 PM

Howard, I thought you would go for at least "Emperor Howard, Czar Howard or at the minimum, his Royal Highness Howard."

King Howard

fish101 - 5-14-2012 at 06:10 AM

On May 11th (Friday) 4 friends of mine staying in Loreto for only two days, decided to eat at Tio Lupes (1st time there)...Complained of very bad service (slow and inattentive)..also said that the food was not that good and would never go back to that restaurant.. Maybe they are reducing their staff due to the lack of tourists here in Loreto?

backninedan - 5-14-2012 at 07:47 AM

Tio Lupes is not one of my favorites, but so so food is a long way from drugging guests. That is a pretty damn serious charge with no proof whatever.

DavidE - 5-14-2012 at 09:59 AM

Hi Lee,
With your documentation I must stand corrected. Thank you.
But Rohypnol -was- utterly banned for several years.
Time for me to make some telephone calls...

rhintransit - 5-14-2012 at 10:11 AM

this is a pretty serious charge, without anything specific to back it up. and adding a specific drug name, when the person stated that he felt 'drugged,' is a real stretch. I can't say the restaurant is my favorite, but I've eaten there without any problems and wouldn't hesitate to go there again, especially if I brought my own fish (they do a great job with preparation).
and in answer to the original question, no, I've never heard of anything like this happening in Loreto.

[Edited on 5-14-2012 by rhintransit]

DavidE - 5-14-2012 at 10:12 AM

ROHYPNOL (Comprimidos)

PRODUCTOS ROCHE, S.A. DE C. V.

Reg. No. 89928 SSA Flunitrazepam 1 mg

Lee - 5-14-2012 at 11:50 AM

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For some people, the above is true. In a situation like this, one person feeling drugged may or may not have happened. Maybe a virus or something. Two people -- something probably happened. Maybe a drink spiked.

Not sure if these gringoes didn't have an attitude, or again, whether the bartender didn't have an attitude.

Having a drink spiked is not a stretch, anywhere. It happens.

I'd believe the people involved. If they think this happened, it probably happened. A reaction within 5-15 minutes is a sign that something happened.

Bajamatic - 5-14-2012 at 12:01 PM

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Originally posted by rhintransit
this is a pretty serious charge, without anything specific to back it up. and adding a specific drug name, when the person stated that he felt 'drugged,' is a real stretch. I can't say the restaurant is my favorite, but I've eaten there without any problems and wouldn't hesitate to go there again, especially if I brought my own fish (they do a great job with preparation).
and in answer to the original question, no, I've never heard of anything like this happening in Loreto.

A reputable and honest source with no prejudice reported to me that he suspects he was "roofied" at this place. He isn't making any formal charges but he suspects this to be true and he left before he could find out for sure. Being a very close friend of mine and a trustworthy source of information I felt like my fellow nomads deserved to hear of the report. There is no way to prove it, and there will never be. My intent here is solely to put nomad travelers on alert. Best case scenario is that people like you, who know and respect the place will defend it and continue to frequent the restaurant. Worst case scenario, the guy does it again and someone gets robbed (or worse). It's a bit of a catch 22 because the last thing I want to do is hurt an innocent person, but if it IS true, and I have the chance to help someone avoid a potential nightmare, then that's a risk I'm willing to take given my sources. I have the name of the cab driver, and his phone number and a detailed description of the server at the restaurant. But I have ZERO intentions of publishing that information because as you stated, its not fair to prosecute these people without cold hard proof. Is it possible that this was an effect of something else? Dehydration? Fatigue? Yes. There are a lot of possibilities (unless you ask my friend). So do with this info what you want. Its a warning flag - be aware. Nothing further.

805gregg - 5-14-2012 at 05:46 PM

Getting drugged is not too bad, on the mainland if they don't like you they cut off your head, over 60 in the past week.

WideAngleWandering - 5-14-2012 at 11:14 PM

If you trust your friend then you should really reconsider and post the rest of the (relevant) facts.

DavidE - 5-15-2012 at 11:25 AM

If I were anywhere near Loreto I would be tempted to go to tio lupe's tell a loud tale. Part truth, part fantasy so everyone could hear, even the bartender.

"I heard of a case where a bar in Juarez served their clientes c-ckteles y cerveza that was drugged. Finally one gringo went to la clinica and they drew blood. They found a drug in the turista's blood. They all went to El Ministero Público. The bar is now closed and el dueño is in el reclusório."

Even though the denúnciacion is clearly implied.

A person could not get hassled by the cops for spreading rumors about a business in México. That is a serious crime that could get a tourist booted out of México.

Even an idiot would pick up on this instantly and know the jig-was-up. Totally, absolutely, and forever. The part about going to prison is no exaggeration. If anything it is subdued. The ministerio publico would not screw around for 10 seconds if the Sector Salud was involved in the accusation.

But tact is needed when telling such a story. It should be a story about "A Bar In Juarez" and nothing else. No giggles, no rolling of eyes, no eyebrow signals to the bartender or waiter. It must be told to others at a table. Loudly with bastante español used to make it clearly understandable.

This is the Méxicano way of fixing this problem and I damned well guarantee it will work if done correctly.

mcfez - 5-15-2012 at 01:45 PM

A bartender once told me he spiked drinks with eye drops if he didn't like someone.

:-)
It creates a Flu like sickness within 15 minutes. Many Bars/Clubs use this to rid the problem drunk. Faster...quieter...that calling the cops.

When the cops come marching into a Club.....patrons run out. Money loss...reputation loss.

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[Edited on 5-15-2012 by mcfez]

WideAngleWandering - 5-15-2012 at 07:11 PM

That visine stuff is a dangerous heap of bullchit.

It will not get an obnoxious patron of your bar or cause a harmless prank. If you use enough, it can be extremely dangerous, even deadly.

http://www.snopes.com/medical/myths/visine.asp

Please don't repeat that rumor without including the rest of the story (i.e. you might kill someone).

(edit: the word puckey is not in my vocabulary. effing censorware)

[Edited on 2012-5-16 by WideAngleWandering]

BajaBlanca - 5-15-2012 at 07:51 PM

no matter what the details, this serves as a heads up and I for one, am astounded ....

Paula - 5-15-2012 at 08:25 PM

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Originally posted by Bajamatic

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There are over 7,000 members on Bajanomad. We are not a small community of friends, but a large anonymous group of people, most of whom have never met one another. While I don't wish to question Bajamatic's credibility or motive, or that of his unnamed friends'---- I haven't a clue as to who he is, who he knows, what he thinks or how he operates. But I have been coming to Loreto since 2001, and have lived here for about 8 years. I've eaten at Tio Lupe's a few times, it isn't my favorite restaurant, but I have never been treated badly there, and have never heard anything more negative than that the food just isn't that good. And many folks here like it just fine.

I find it distressing that the majority of contributors to this conversation have assumed the story to be true and accurate, and are participating in the slander of a long-time business, and by implication a whole town that is suffering greatly from poor economic conditions-- based solely on hearsay.

[Edited on 5-16-2012 by Paula]

Lee - 5-15-2012 at 09:47 PM

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Originally posted by Bajamatic
Ok so a my friend Ed wanted me to wait until he was airborne to tell the story. He's airborne, so here it is:

Ed and his girldfriend went out for some yellows out of Loreto yesterday afternoon. It was a little slow, but they bagged a nice sized fish and after they returned to town they hopped into a cab (they were staying at the Inn) and asked to stop for some food on the way out. The cabbie drove them to Tio Lupe's. They were the only one's there. Someone dropped menus at their table and walked off. The guy returned a few minutes later and asked in Spanish what they wanted to eat. Ed replied in English. The guy then rudely huffed and said, "Oh - you are Americans". He snatched the menus and walked away. Ed was confused why the menus were taken away and so they waited for a few minutes until the guy came back, no menus in hand. "It's fine" he said "We don't really need menus - we'll take 4 tacos and 2 beers". The beers took at least ten minutes. The guy set the beers down and walked away. After 2-3 minutes and a few sips of beer, Ed started to feel a heavy onset of what he described as a clear reaction to some kind of drug. He asked his girlfriend if she felt ok and she said she felt like she was tanked all of a sudden. He agreed - they were all of a sudden bombed. Frightened, they asked for the food to go, but the guy now encouraged them to stay. Ed wasn't having it. They walked outside and looked for the cabbie, who asked why they were leaving so soon. He also encouraged them to go back. They refused to go back inside and left without the food they paid for and went straight back to their hotel room and vomited and locked themselves in their room fearing the cabbie would try to break in and rob them.

They're home safe now.

So there's the story. It's the second time I've heard of this happening, the first being a nomad thread about two guys in a bar in la paz, and I recall that those guys ended up being "robbed" by the bar tender and got police involved and it sounded like a big mess. I'm glad Ed had the wherewithal to get the hell out of there, even if what they think happened didn't actually happen. Stay Alert, Stay Alive.

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Originally posted by Paula
I find it distressing that the majority of contributors to this conversation have assumed the story to be true and accurate, and are participating in the slander of a long-time business, and by implication a whole town that is suffering greatly from poor economic conditions-- based solely on hearsay.

[Edited on 5-16-2012 by Paula]

I don't know Bajamatic but this story seems credible and entirely possible.

''After 2-3 minutes and a few sips of beer, Ed started to feel a heavy onset of what he described as a clear reaction to some kind of drug.''

Reads like a spiked drink. Doesn't read like slander.

to tell the story or not?

tripledigitken - 5-15-2012 at 10:09 PM

damned if you do, damned if you don't

mtgoat666 - 5-16-2012 at 06:20 AM

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Originally posted by Paula
There are over 7,000 members on Bajanomad. We are not a small community of friends, but a large anonymous group of people, most of whom have never met one another. While I don't wish to question Bajamatic's credibility or motive, or that of his unnamed friends'---- I haven't a clue as to who he is, who he knows, what he thinks or how he operates. But I have been coming to Loreto since 2001, and have lived here for about 8 years. I've eaten at Tio Lupe's a few times, it isn't my favorite restaurant, but I have never been treated badly there, and have never heard anything more negative than that the food just isn't that good. And many folks here like it just fine.

I find it distressing that the majority of contributors to this conversation have assumed the story to be true and accurate, and are participating in the slander of a long-time business, and by implication a whole town that is suffering greatly from poor economic conditions-- based solely on hearsay.

[Edited on 5-16-2012 by Paula]

illegal drugging in bars occurs in many places, all over the world. i see no reason to doubt the story. human nature is bad. people are rotten. and workers in restaurants are at bottom of food chain. your desire to trust the locals at the bottom of the food chain because they are economically suffering is foolish. poverty does not create saints, poverty breeds crime.

Bajamatic - 5-16-2012 at 09:07 AM

This may not be a community of small friends, but its a community nonetheless, and we help each other. My post was intended as a heads up to nomads. Maybe I should have changed my wording to say "a well-traveled family restaurant in Loreto". That way the we could prosecute everyone at once. Better? No, I think not. I can only tell you what I've been told first hand. I was on the phone as soon as my friend made it to his taxi. He wanted me to be on the phone in case they went off the intended path. He was scared. I've known this guy my entire life, and I've been to Baja with him on several occasions. Had it been my mother calling, who firmly believes anyone who steps foot across the border winds hanging from an overpass, there would never have been a report. But I believe him, and therefore feel it is a valid post because I believe that this board functions as an important source of intel for people who want it. I have grown to depend on it, I have assisted others in need, and I have been helped in many ways by fellow Nomads. So to be clear, this is not an assault on a business, this is a heads up to anyone who wants to know. Take it or leave it. Hopefully its a one time event and it fades away into history and this place continues to satisfy (marginally it seems) its patrons. If not, then this thread may help illuminate a bad seed.

Either

thefishaholic - 5-17-2012 at 03:37 PM

A friend of ours had dinner at a popular place here last week and had 3 drinks in 2+ hours.
Started slurrring her words after the first (her companions stated) and remembers nothing from the 2nd drink or after serving dinner.
In and out of it on the ride home.
Went home and fell in their entry and busted up her face.
She was told that they were using "either" in the ice cubes so they don't melt as fast???

Anyone else hear of this new practice?

motoged - 5-17-2012 at 04:00 PM

http://www.general-anaesthesia.com/images/ether.html

"Diethyl ether is a colourless, extremely volatile liquid with a
characteristic smell. It is not an ideal anaesthetic, though it's
safer than chloroform and more effective than nitrous oxide. Unwanted
effects of exposure to ether can include a cough, sore throat, painful
red eyes, a headache, drowsiness, laboured breathing and nausea.
Vomiting is quite common."

I doubt there was ether in the ice....another urban myth????

surfdoc - 5-17-2012 at 04:23 PM

First Paragraph changed after PM's with person involved...so leave this with whats below!

........continue to use common sense... and continue to enjoy all that Baja is...

Nuff said.

[Edited on 5-17-2012 by surfdoc]

[Edited on 5-18-2012 by surfdoc]

Bajamatic - 5-17-2012 at 04:54 PM

Names changed to protect the innocent. And yeah - a good friend.

If he wants to come out and use his own name on the internet, he can. I don't. And I wouldn't want him to do that to me. The old "golden rule."

[Edited on 5-17-2012 by Bajamatic]

[Edited on 5-24-2012 by Bajamatic]

Loretana - 5-17-2012 at 05:05 PM

Just knowing how depressed the tourism industry is in Loreto, and how difficult it is to buy restricted drugs in Loreto without a doctor's prescription makes me question the motive of said "bartender".

Would a guy who makes bupkis! except his tips, from the tourists who really aren't showing up to tip him, risk dosing someone with an expensive controlled substance? To what end?

The guy who isn't earning much would have to buy the alleged "rohypnol" and have it at the ready to slip a mickey to some random American tourist??

This scenario makes no sense to me.

bill erhardt - 5-17-2012 at 05:34 PM

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Originally posted by surfdoc
Pretty amazing that the "Friend" told this story..without so much fantastic detail on another website.
However over there in the first person he was Scott. But on this website...told by a GOOD firend.. this happened to Ed.

whatever........continue to use common sense... and continue to enjoy all that Baja is...

Nuff said.

[Edited on 5-17-2012 by surfdoc]

surfdoc.....I noticed that, too, when this same story was run up the flagpole on Bloodydecks. In addition to the name discrepancy in what purported to be the first person account, on BD he did not catch a nice fish that day, but 8 yellowtails. In both accounts the victim and his girlfriend engaged a cab to take them to Tio Lupes and then they kept that cab standing by while they went in for dinner. This, although there is a cab stand less than a block away with several cabs on hand 24/7.
Tio Lupes, by the way, although not my favorite restaurant, is a respectable family restaurant that caters to Mexicans, foreign residents, as well as tourists. Not a dive likely to be spiking anybody's drinks.
What I think is that Bajatech, Ed, and Scott, whether that be one person, two people, or three, should under no circumstances ever return to Loreto, probably never venture south of the border at all, and that if he/she/they ever find themselves here again by mistake, he/she/they should immediately seek refuge behind locked doors in their hotel rooms until safe passage out of town can be arranged. It is obviously much too dangerous down here.
It's interesting that on Bloodydecks, where the members are apparently much less gullible than on this site - probably because they deal with fish stories every day - and also much less gentle in expressing skepticism, Scott's (bajatech's, Ed's) post lasted less than a day before it disappeared. I think, but am not sure that a post on BD can only be removed by the OP. In any event, the story was getting much more play on BN.
I wonder if it's time for it to be laid to rest on this site yet.

DavidE - 5-17-2012 at 06:32 PM

SPIKING DRINKS

This was not uncommon in California fifty years ago...

Phenolphthalein: A chemical used to turn alkaline fluids crimson so they can be titrated with acid to 7.0 Ph whereupon the solution turned clear. All for industrial testing like TDS measurement in boiler condensate.

Phenolphthalein, the base active ingredient in the old-fashioned EX-LAX.

Obnoxious drunk in a bar. Five drops in a drink. Fifteen minutes the drunk was totally and completely occupied when the cops arrived. Worked like a charm. Probably illegal as hell now.

Tio Lupe's

tehag - 5-20-2012 at 02:19 PM

I had lunch today at Tio Lupe's restaurant. I alerted him to this thread, and he believes it is untrue. His current bartender has been with him 15 years and has not been accused of anything like this before. Lupe is in the restaurant every afternoon and evening and has no recollection of any abandoned dinners or beers in the past few weeks. Lupe Ortiz and I have been friends for 30 years, and if he has dishonored himself in any way during that time I have not heard of it.

durrelllrobert - 5-20-2012 at 03:55 PM

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Originally posted by DavidE

Phenolphthalein: A chemical used to turn alkaline fluids crimson so they can be titrated with acid to 7.0 Ph whereupon the solution turned clear. .

During a production of "Jesus Christ, Super Star back in the 60s we used this visual when Judas washed his hands in a large bowl of "Christs blood"

Fishmagician - 5-21-2012 at 09:41 AM

Without analysis of both alleged victims blood and a third party (neutral) witness there's little here other than a rumor mill. If I was drugged by a food vendor I'd sure as hell have the blood work done so I knew what I was given and to substantiate my complaint. A formal complaint would be made.

gnukid - 5-21-2012 at 11:38 AM

When tourists visit Baja and go fishing they are often unaware of dehydration, the result is that they become easily drunk and often do not have the ability to reason clearly. This is one possible explanation for the situation.

jimgrms - 5-21-2012 at 11:56 AM

Just a word to the owner of the place About what happened should be sufficient ,no need to acuse anyone

[Edited on 5-21-2012 by jimgrms]

jimgrms - 5-21-2012 at 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by Loretana
Just knowing how depressed the tourism industry is in Loreto, and how difficult it is to buy restricted drugs in Loreto without a doctor's prescription makes me question the motive of said "bartender".

Would a guy who makes bupkis! except his tips, from the tourists who really aren't showing up to tip him, risk dosing someone with an expensive controlled substance? To what end?

The guy who isn't earning much would have to buy the alleged "rohypnol" and have it at the ready to slip a mickey to some random American tourist??

This scenario makes no sense to me.

Sure a man who make almost nothing except tips in that situation would , its a oppurtunity to make a little extra, especially when in partner ship with the taxi driver , who also is hurting

Lee - 5-21-2012 at 12:37 PM

Bajamatic was wrong to use the word ''Roofie'' though that's the drug that might be thought of for spiking a drink.

It was probably something else -- what I don't know. Lots of drugs out there.

Bajamatic is fairly specific in describing what happened to these gringoes and I believe his version of what went down. I think a drink was spiked. Why? Don't know but I'm sure there was a reason.

If I was a bartender and didn't like someone's attitude, I'd spike their drink -- just messing with their head.

Now, I've never spiked a drink, so don't get me wrong. I'm just saying I could do it.

I'm guessing nothing like this has happened at Lupe's before. If I were the gringoes involved, I'd not return to this place.

No real harm done. It's not like someone died.

Loretana - 5-21-2012 at 11:22 PM

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Originally posted by jimgrms

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Sure a man who make almost nothing except tips in that situation would , its a oppurtunity to make a little extra, especially when in partner ship with the taxi driver , who also is hurting

If you lived in Loreto and knew what a really small town Loreto is, you would probably think differently. The taxistas in town are a small, tight knit group of guys. Everybody knows everybody's business here.

The "bad bartender/taxi driver accomplice" conspiracy is just too much of an "escandalo" for the local boys to pull off, in my opinion. I certainly could be wrong, I've only spent 25 years here. :smug:

Just saying. :dudette: