BajaNomad - Two Campers Held Up Near Los Planes

Two Campers Held Up Near Los Planes

Bajatripper - 7-3-2012 at 07:58 AM

An article in the Sudcaliforniano ealier this week reports that a couple of tourists sleeping in a motorhome at El Faro Viejo near San Juan de los Planes (about 25 miles outside of La Paz over on Ventana Bay) were held.

On June 25th, two foreigners reported that five or six armed suspects pulled up to the beach where they were sleeping in a motorhome in the pre-dawn hours and robbed them of a 28 foot boat with two 200hp Kawasaki outboards and a Kawasaki ATV.

While I've never heard Punta Arena called "El Faro Viejo," I'm supposing that this is where the event happened. There are two lighthouses there, one from the 1950s and another of more recent construction.

This made me think of an event that recently happened to me. I was camping alone at Estero San Marcos, south of Santa Rosalia, about two weeks ago. While laying on the beach stargazing at around 10 p.m., I heard a motorboat nearby. The lights of the mining operation on San Marcos Island provided me with enough light to see several (at least six) silhouettes in the panga as it motored parallel to the beach I was on, perhaps 20 yards offshore.

When the boat swung around for another pass in front of me, I figured it could be a drug drop off or something similar (there's a white blockhouse near the beach that would be an excellent navigational aid). I also figured that I didn't want to be a witness to whatever they were up to, so I quickly gathered my tent and bag in the dark and stuffed everything into my vehicle and sought out another place to sleep that night. As I had left behind a small hatchet, I decided to go back the next morning. I didn't see any signs of a drug dropoff and so figured I must have been wrong.

With this latest incident near La Paz, I'm wondering if this might not be a new way to hold up campers on the beaches of Baja. Although it isn't a pleasant thought, it is something we should all keep in mind.

The article:
La Paz, Baja California Sur.- La madrugada del día 25 de junio de 2012 cinco o seis presuntos delincuentes armados, arribaron a la playa "El Faro Viejo" jurisdicción delegacional de San Juan de Los Planes, Baja California Sur, amagaron a dos extranjeros que dormían en un camper estacionado en dicha playa.

Los individuos se llevaron una lancha de 28 pies de eslora, con dos motores fuera de borda de 200 caballos de fuerza HP, asi como una cuatrimoto Kawasaki, modelo 2004.

Elementos de la Dirección General de Seguridad Pública, Policía Preventiva y Tránsito Municipal, informaron que a las 01:00 horas de ese día habían reportaron vía radio, que en la comandancia delegacional de San Juan de Los Planes, Baja California Sur, acudieron dos extranjeros para reportar un asalto.

Manifestaron que cuando estaban dormidos en una casa rodante estacionada en la paya a un lado del "Faro Viejo", cuando fueron despertados por cinco o seis personas armadas, quienes llegaron en una lancha rápida.

Llevándose una cuatri-moto, marca Kawasaki, modelo 2004, color verde, una lancha 28 pies de eslora, modelo 1999, con 2 motores fuera de borda de 200 hp , marca Yamaha, color gris.

Acudieron los uniformados al lugar de los hechos, logrando entrevistarse con el velador del mencionado lugar, corroborando lo antes mencionado por los reportantes, por lo que manifestaron que pasarían ante el Agente del Ministerio Público del Fuero Común Investigador a interponer la denuncia correspondiente.

David K - 7-3-2012 at 08:08 AM

Thanks Steve. It wasn't too long ago when Baja Sur Nomads used to make fun of the Baja Norte Nomads, because there was 'no' crime in Sur... Too bad for the things that cannot remain the same.

Ateo - 7-3-2012 at 08:14 AM

If you think of it, coming in from the sea to rob is a very smart way to pull off a crime. Let's hope this doesn't become a trend.

Bajatripper - 7-3-2012 at 08:29 AM

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Originally posted by ateo
If you think of it, coming in from the sea to rob is a very smart way to pull off a crime. Let's hope this doesn't become a trend.

My sentiments exactly, on both accounts.

David K - 7-3-2012 at 08:34 AM

Congratulations on becoming an 'ULTRA NOMAD'!

DavidE - 7-3-2012 at 08:35 AM

The boat and the motors was the main course. The ATV was dessert. The boat and motors is almost irresistible "carnada" (bait) to los narcos. Not even a candy apple red Hummer with 48" gold plated wheels would get their juices flowing like this. "CHEAP DRUGS AT ANY COST" in the states made all this possible.

Lee - 7-3-2012 at 08:39 AM

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Originally posted by David K
Thanks Steve. It wasn't too long ago when Baja Sur Nomads used to make fun of the Baja Norte Nomads, because there was 'no' crime in Sur... Too bad for the things that cannot remain the same.

Those BCN nomads are still being made fun of.

No one has ever stated that there is LITERALLY no crime EVER in BCS.

I'm guessing most crime in BCN is between Ensenada and TJ -- and that crime does not compare to crime in BCS.

Isolated, remote beaches excluded.

Udo - 7-3-2012 at 08:54 AM

We drove into the RV park that the guys were robbed on June 30, and we (my wife Jana & myself), did not feel "warm and fuzzy" residents either locals or Gringos. That park is now totally empty. We drove all the way to Punta Coyote and saw nothing that could attract our attention as far as finding a place to hang our hat on with our RV.
Bahia De Los Sueños and Bahia De Los Muertos were much the same way. @ Sueños, there was one of those Mega Resorts being built.
El Cardonal and Punta Pescadero, the places were very dirty and very little, if any, shade.

Internet is very spotty wherever we stayed, even the hotel MAR DE CORTEZ has very slow and persnickety internet, therefore I have to be brief.

I'll put together a full report when we get back to the OC. I promise I'll post the photos of the the marlins that Jana and myself caught

I'll post some photos but the collection will be on a link on PICASA.

We'll return on Thursday, later this week.

sancho - 7-3-2012 at 10:39 AM

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Originally posted by Lee
No one has ever stated that there is LITERALLY no crime EVER in BCS.

I'm guessing most crime in BCN is between Ensenada and TJ -- and that crime does not compare to crime in BCS.

Isolated, remote beaches excluded.

Back in the day, camping at Muertos Bay alone in May
after the snowbirds left, would give me a feeling of
being vunerable. You would have to have quite the
imagination to compare Baja N crime to Baja Sur,
often have seen pangueros take the props off
when beached, due to supposed theft from the
mainland, don't know if the panga theieves from the
mainland were fisherman or otros

edm1 - 7-3-2012 at 10:50 AM

That's too bad. Those isolated beaches around there are the cleanest that I've ever seen.

durrelllrobert - 7-3-2012 at 04:04 PM

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Originally posted by ateo
If you think of it, coming in from the sea to rob is a very smart way to pull off a crime. Let's hope this doesn't become a trend.

That's exactly how the US Navy Seals do it!

Spearo - 7-3-2012 at 06:01 PM

This happened at Punta Arena. I know because I was there and all involved were friends of mine. The two folks on the beach were robbed of the atv at gunpoint. The boat, a 28' with twin 200's, belonged to a friend of mine. We had anchored it in front of our friends camp at the beach for the night because the tides were wrong for launching at the boat ramp at Muertos early the next morning. We had pangas and personal aircraft searching for the boat the next morning but the s.o.p. for these guys is to pull the motors and sink the boat. We are just thankful that no one got hurt. The Mexican authorities really did nothing but shrug about the whole thing and ask for gas money to go look for the boat. Apparently that was the sixth boat stolen in the last couple of weeks from the La Paz area. The atv was tossed in a panga while another towed the boat off. The thieves had what appeared to be automatic weapons. The cops in Los Planes didn't even want to go to the playa when we reported this crime at about 2 am. Again, no one got hurt but some long time Baja folks had a life changing experience that night. It really changed the way I look at beach camping and safety in general in Baja.

thanks for the report

captkw - 7-3-2012 at 06:06 PM

That really SUCKS !! and may god and karma work FAST !!!! :fire:

[Edited on 7-4-2012 by captkw]

DavidE - 7-3-2012 at 06:24 PM

Tell your friends if you would of my condolences. Wouldn't it be great to pack say four or five sticks of 60% dynamite into an outboard motor housing and then.......

Yeah, I know.

Crap!

Heather - 7-3-2012 at 07:04 PM

Udo are you still at Mar de Cortez? My sis is there room 115... we're staying at a place around the corner, but my girls have been in and out of the pool all week. Saludos, Heather

Pescador - 7-3-2012 at 07:29 PM

This takes on extra meaning because I know the guy who owned the boat and I was telling him about my boat being stolen at Muertos some years ago and wished that I had one of the SPOT units to put on the boat which would give you a computer readout of its location. He said he would have to check into that, but he always kept the boat in his yard in Los Planes and only put it on anchor because of the wierd tides.

BajaBlanca - 7-3-2012 at 08:34 PM

very terrible news. theft is a horrible thing.

NOMADS------MAD as HELL !!!

captkw - 7-3-2012 at 08:54 PM

HOLA,,this was a hell of a lot more than simple theft !! not to yell at you,,that is not my intention..this just makes my blood boil !! and One of the many reasons I recommed having GOOD handhelds !!! always have a GOOD/CHARGED handheld in your car/truck !!! It may have helped ?? youd be surprized how good they can work!!! and how us boat folk's are on the radio...24/7 !! Saved me many times !! even with a bad cop in la paz!! LOL...wish..I had been in the area with a 30 cal mounted on the front of my cat and got that radio call in the night..I would have SMACKED them !! the shrinks call this "venting"....... :fire:

...........K & T :fire:

[Edited on 7-4-2012 by captkw]

[Edited on 7-4-2012 by captkw]

mtgoat666 - 7-4-2012 at 05:07 AM

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Originally posted by Spearo
This happened at Punta Arena. I know because I was there and all involved were friends of mine. The two folks on the beach were robbed of the atv at gunpoint. The boat, a 28' with twin 200's, belonged to a friend of mine. We had anchored it in front of our friends camp at the beach for the night because the tides were wrong for launching at the boat ramp at Muertos early the next morning. We had pangas and personal aircraft searching for the boat the next morning but the s.o.p. for these guys is to pull the motors and sink the boat. We are just thankful that no one got hurt. The Mexican authorities really did nothing but shrug about the whole thing and ask for gas money to go look for the boat. Apparently that was the sixth boat stolen in the last couple of weeks from the La Paz area. The atv was tossed in a panga while another towed the boat off. The thieves had what appeared to be automatic weapons. The cops in Los Planes didn't even want to go to the playa when we reported this crime at about 2 am. Again, no one got hurt but some long time Baja folks had a life changing experience that night. It really changed the way I look at beach camping and safety in general in Baja.

bummer.

sad that cops don't be cops. that's why crime is rampant. how many time have we heard about cops that won't investigate crimes unless you pay for gasoline????? if there is no crime victim to pay them today, then they just head out to highway and stop cars to extort money for fabricated infractions. remind me again,... why do they even bother to have cops???????????????

Hook - 7-4-2012 at 07:31 AM

Cops not being cops is probably the single biggest problem in Mexico. Crooks know they can generally operate with impunity.

SFandH - 7-4-2012 at 07:47 AM

The Spanish version says Yamaha outboards. So don't be on the lookout for Kawasakis, you'll never see one. To the best of my knowledge supported by a quick Google search, Kawasaki doesn't make outboards.

Too bad about the theft. That's alot of money for sure.

Automatic weapons? Narcos?

[Edited on 7-4-2012 by SFandH]

HOOK

Fishmagician - 7-4-2012 at 07:50 AM

It's just a license to steal from behind the badge.

Pescador - 7-4-2012 at 08:44 AM

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Originally posted by SFandH
The Spanish version says Yamaha outboards. So don't be on the lookout for Kawasakis, you'll never see one. To the best of my knowledge supported by a quick Google search, Kawasaki doesn't make outboards.

Too bad about the theft. That's alot of money for sure.

Automatic weapons? Narcos?

[Edited on 7-4-2012 by SFandH]

The motors were Yamaha and the quad was a Kawasaki.

gnukid - 7-4-2012 at 09:01 AM

This event could have easily been stopped if stopping crime was desirable to Mexican Government, the Mexican people and Baja Nomads as well.

Up to and following a major election with a party change in Mexico there is sometimes chaos as many are certain to lose their jobs in the government so the looting is in progress, this is SOP in Mexico just as it is in other countries.

If you have a society where there is no civil order and people are not allowed to or fail to protect themselves against violence from criminals and violent government, local, state and federal police are unwilling to provide any help to protect citizens, then you don't have society, you have complete breakdown of civility. It's controlled chaos. Who would have any faith in the San Juan de Los Plannes police at this point? Why would anyone give even the slightest support to the government who is apparently violent and integral to crime?

There is little faith in the recent election, votes were bought outright, there are NO victory parties, no faith in government, no faith in institutions nor the military.

There are some particulars to note in this case, there have long been issues with criminal movements in the area of punta arenas/san juan de los plannes however, the region of baja is narrow and close to La Paz where military bases exists and there are troops, yet as you can see there is no effort to secure the region? Yet there is no place to hide, there is one road, the ocean is open and visibility is perfect. There is no way to hide yet criminals run free?

Last year many pangas with motors were stolen from the beach there, also in Los Barriles and recently in La Paz on the Malecon. None were recovered, even while there exists a navy, 7 pilots, army, and a narrow strip of land to protect with high mountains that can be used to observe and plenty of tracking mechanisms to track movement. It is inconceivable that any movement there or throughout BCS is undetected. Yet crime is the norm, police collude with or are the defacto criminals.

Everyone is aware of Fast and Furious, the massive dumping of weapons by the Obama administration apparently to destabilize Mexico. Mission accomplished.

There is a massive peace and non-violence movement in Mexico which is under attack today by forces throughout the Nation, many incidents of repression against non violent people are reportedly occurring daily, oppression, violence, the assassination of AMLO's campaign leader has just occurred. Things are spiraling into worse chaos in a well choreographed destruction of society.

Everyone, even Nomads with their heads in the sand must be aware that today is a time of chaos in Mexico, uncertainty reigns, and of course fear for safety. There is a vast separation between the opinion of the people and the government.

It's every person's responsibility to take responsibility for the safety and security of their home and community, each Baja Nomad must also understand that when you allow crime to occur and you don't speak up, organize and hold yourself, the local, state and federal police to task for failures, you allow crime to destroy your community.

[Edited on 7-4-2012 by gnukid]

VERY WELL WRITTEN

captkw - 7-4-2012 at 09:14 AM

And I for one dont get why folks are not up in arms about the "fast and furious BS" tracking or lack of is the lamest excuse this goverment has given since 9/11 !!! SHEEP people.... I guess that florlide in the water is working !!

[Edited on 7-4-2012 by captkw]

Mulegena - 7-4-2012 at 09:21 AM

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Originally posted by captkw
And I for one dont get why folks are not up in arms about the "fast and furious BS" tracking or lack of is the lamest excuse this goverment has given since 9/11 !!! SHEEP people.... I guess that florlide in the water is working !!

[Edited on 7-4-2012 by captkw]

I, too, am dismayed with this. I had no idea our own US government was behind this and don't understand why everyone is so complacent in accepting this disgusting manipulation and out-front coverup. This needs to be addressed here on Nomad with its own, active thread.

Fishmagician - 7-4-2012 at 10:26 AM

gnukid makes a bi.g point, if you don't make a cry to the politicians in Mexico for law and order it will never come. It's not the USofA, it's been that way for hundreds of years. The people know there is no law enforcement - so there is little if any risk in stealing boats and ATVs. If Mexico put professional policemen in small communities it might threaten the powers to be. Keep the money in Mexico City, keep the people pour as church mice and that keeps all the power in Mexico City. The only way to undermine this thinking it to cry out and cry out loudly. No mas.

There are many, many people in the USofA that want AG Holder held responsible for the blunders of Fast and Furious, as he should be. It will take the noise of the people to make that happen. Fast and Furious was a total blunder from the get-go. I don't believe it was to destabilize Mexico, it would take too many guns and other programs would have been more effective.

Lee - 7-4-2012 at 10:54 AM

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And I for one dont get why folks are not up in arms about...

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I.... don't understand why everyone is so complacent in accepting this disgusting manipulation and out-front coverup

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....SHEEP people.... I guess that florlide in the water is working !!

What a bunch of judgmental activists. How about some direction, nomads, on how to stop theft in Baja.

Why is it a problem to pay for gas so cops can do their job? How about a bonus for cops solving a case?

Criminals know gringo booty is insured and boats, motors and ATV's will be replaced.

Just so things are clear, automatic weapons are plentiful in MX, thefts are willing to show up with weapons, big ticket items are targeted, cops need financial motivation, government in disarray.

My priorities are fishing and surfing, staying under the radar, I'm on vacation. I'm up for an email campaign. I am not a political or social activist. I am not a citizen and not looking to get kicked out of the country.

Those activists willing to lead the charge in some way, please step forward?

Solutions?

DavidE - 7-4-2012 at 10:57 AM

You should read further what actually happened at Waco, and Ruby Ridge. I read Danny Coulson's version of the FBI's conduct at both of these events, and accounts of the ATF agents and supervision. Janet Reno should have resigned, the directors of the FBI and ATF should have been terminated from employment not merely allowed to resign and field commanders should have received jail sentences.

It is one thing to apprehend criminals like David Koresh and Randy Weaver, it is quite another to pay federal wages and benefits to individuals who could not and can not find the intelligence in order to conduct field enforcement in a proper and logical manner. Both of these suspects could have been apprehended by clandestine interdiction long before they were alerted to the fact that they were under surveillance and subject to warrant arrest. Both frequented towns and public areas but then were alerted to the fact that they were federal fugitives. The assertion that ATF intelligence determined "Koresh rarely left the compound", is pure hogwash designed to nail boards across ATF supervisory anuses.

The FBI and the ATF have "cowboys" in their ranks, that spoil for old fashioned shootouts. Danny Coulson was one of them. Read his book. I could not believe he sanctioned on-site the move by ATF to place agents on the roof of the compound and then condone them firing down into a structure known to have children inside. Coulson should have gone to jail.

Fast and Furious was and is an idiotic idea that should have been quashed even BEFORE it reached district headquarters upper echelon level. As a former supervisory deputy sheriff reserve, had I EVER forwarded a plan to senior management like what was instituted in Fast & Furious I would have been asked for my badge.

We pay serious money, for serious budgets to these agencies so senior planning personnel can have an ability to derive intelligent methods to attack issues and adversaries. What we got was "Ruby Ridge" mentality and "Waco" execution.

When a Navy ship runs aground, it isn't the quartermaster who gets keelhauled. The attorney general, and the head of the ATF need to resign, and apologize for their negligence.

My 4 July Rant

shari - 7-4-2012 at 11:06 AM

hey those were pretty good fireworks David

I agree with some constructive solutions to the crime problems in baja. I really liked the idea of boaters getting a tracking device or chip like lost dogs...creative alarms or anti-theft devices would be a capital idea on vehicles and boats.

Many pilots have come up with anti theft mechanisms on their planes because some have been stolen so the boaters should follow suit ....particularly if they are going to anchor their boats in areas of known thefts.

I find it hard to blame the cops as they are not trained or paid what they should be...most local cops are just regular folks who needed a job and many aren't paid regularly nor do the municipalities have any money to pay for extra gas etc....They are just traffic cops and not trained to investigate crime. the screening process is less than admirable so they are bound to get some shady characters on the force.

It's easy to say oh get some good cops but one must realize that this is a major hurdle and would require revamping the whole police system...which would be terrific and is obviously necessary if Mexico wants to reduce crime.

So as suggested...it is up to the individual to try to avoid being a victim, think about self defence, report crimes witnessed, making noise about atrocities and injustices, pressuring politicians to improve police training and whatever you have to do to protect yourself. One can get a gun registered so you can carry one in your vehicle...lots of paperwork etc, but it can be done....or there are lots of weaponish things you can have handy just in case.

[Edited on 7-4-2012 by shari]

DavidE - 7-4-2012 at 12:25 PM

One of the biggest mistakes that tourists make is to mistake a cop's request for gas money to resolve a crime as being mordida. These guys pay for their own gas and flat tires, or lose their job. One time I was burgled and I gave a cop the eqvt. of twenty dollars to go find the crooks. I told him there was another "fifty" in it when he knocked on my front door, showed me some of the loot, and had suspects in custody. I got seven hundred dollars worth of stuff returned, the crooks went to jail (they weren't the cops by the way) and I was satisfied. If I had someone really hurt me, I know I could wait until they were in the reclusorio, and pay someone a hundred dollars to have other inmates "process" the bad guy. There are ways, and some of them aren't nice. I am not overly fond of people that hurt the innocent.

Lock up the batteries, in a bust-open-proof container on board and have them switched off or disconnected inside the box. Two hundred horsepower outboards are a tad difficult to pull start.

dtbushpilot - 7-4-2012 at 10:36 PM

Just my observation:
I live in Los Barriles/Buena Vista and have heard lots of stories surrounding the theft of boats, here is my dos centavos:

First of all they don't board the boat, start it and drive away, they pull up to it quietly in a panga and tow it away. Lot's of people blame it on the shrimpers....maybe? Who knows? I don't know about the "strip and sink" theory, have you ever tried to sink a boat without motors on it? If you cut it up with a chain saw you would have a bunch of floating pieces....I don't think sinking the boat is possible but again, these are my thoughts.

You should have a "spot tracker, Lojac, or similar tracking devise on your boat"....I would ask "why"? There isn't any governing body that is interested in going after your boat. No Navy, no Marines, no Coast Guard, no police....you get the idea, you are on your own.

Let's just assume that you have some sort of devise on your boat and it alerts you to the fact that your boat is moving away from where you parked it, what do you do? Call the cops? the Navy? of course not. How about getting a couple of your buddies together and chasing after them in another boat? Yea, sure, go out in the dark and chase criminals who are probably armed and dangerous out in the ocean with no law enforcement....not going to happen....

If you have a boat that the crooks want (big hp panga, center console etc.) and you leave it unattended and uninsured you are stupid...or maybe clueless..

Life is tougher if you're stupid......dt

motoged - 7-5-2012 at 12:11 AM

Thank you, David. The voice of reason.

Although....there was one time you told me not to listen to your advice

mtgoat666 - 7-5-2012 at 05:29 AM

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Originally posted by shari
It's easy to say oh get some good cops but one must realize that this is a major hurdle and would require revamping the whole police system...which would be terrific and is obviously necessary if Mexico wants to reduce crime.

"if Mexico wants to reduce crime."

does mexico want to reduce crime?

i think the plutocracy that runs mexico just doesn't care very much.

Pescador - 7-5-2012 at 08:03 AM

Part of the problem comes from not having a more basic understanding of the system here. If you have a theft and go to the local police in your small town or village, you are getting someone with very limited knowledge and very little if any, training who is usually paid in the neighborhood of $400 US per month. The one thing they are good at is that they have the pulse of the community and may know more of what goes on than one would think but be aware of their limitations.
On the other hand, the Ministerial Police are a, I think, Federal Police or at least a State Police, and are highly trained and very aggressive about crime. The locals literally shake in their boots when the Ministerial come to interrogate. Whether it is true or not, they believe that you go to the back room with blackjacks and maybe even things electrically connected to your gonads. They seem to get to the bottom of things quickly and effeciently.
The challenge, for most Norteamericanos is that they assume that the local police are just like back home in the states, but in my experience that is seldom the case. In our area the Ministerial offices are both in Mulege and Santa Rosalia. In Los Planes there was no office, but there was an office of MInisterial in San Antonio.

Pescador - 7-5-2012 at 08:09 AM

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Originally posted by Fishmagician

There are many, many people in the USofA that want AG Holder held responsible for the blunders of Fast and Furious, as he should be. It will take the noise of the people to make that happen. Fast and Furious was a total blunder from the get-go. I don't believe it was to destabilize Mexico, it would take too many guns and other programs would have been more effective.

Some of the leaked e-mails indicate the purpose was not to destabilize Mexico but to allow a bunch of these firearms to get south of the border and then use that as a motivation for the control of firearms. It was more of an attack on the second ammendment and was seen as a good method of tightening up and restricting gun ownership. If you look at the people in the AG's office, it reads like a Who's Who of restricting 2nd ammendment rights.

Now this goes nowhere except in my imigination and what would it be like if they were to remove the prohibition of private guns in Mexico. Overnight the small crimes would go away if those Goofballs who came on the beach to steal the boat have a chance the campers were armed. I know, it will never happen in my lifetime, but that does not make the idea any less valid.

DavidE - 7-5-2012 at 08:14 AM

Tehuacán con chili. Up the nose. They could get the pope to confess to cannibalism using that. Too many times when the cops must have a suspect in custody, they go find one, usually a person of ill repute they don't like. It isn't justice, and the Méxican people are all too wise about this practice. First, the justice system has to be overhauled. New judges, new courts, new revised laws dealing with issues of the 21st century. Then new prisons have to be built. And new army and marinas bases which surround the prison utterly.

[Edited on 7-5-2012 by DavidE]

shari - 7-5-2012 at 08:27 AM

very good points Dtbushpilot...I agree...so much for prevention of theft. It's like people who want to hire our nephew to guard their plane...no thanks. If the narcos want to steal it, they will either kill him or pay him off so either way, he's screwed...the military even refuse to guard a plane...not their job. Our dear traffic cops will make rounds of the strip if you provide the gas :light:

SFandH - 7-5-2012 at 08:46 AM

Last fall at Santispac two Mulege uniformed cops stopped by in their squad car and asked for gas money so they could patrol the beach. I chuckled and gave them 50 pesos anyway.

Never saw them again. I would have been surprised if I did. But maybe they came back and I didn't see them.

[Edited on 7-5-2012 by SFandH]

captkw - 7-5-2012 at 09:13 AM

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Originally posted by Pescador

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prorader - 7-5-2012 at 10:06 AM

Everyone talks about training the local cops, but do you have any idea what that takes. When I was a cop in 1973, you had to have an AA Degree, and a 14 week police academy. Today, like LA, a BA Degree and 30 weeks, plus 1 year probation. There probably isn't any cop in Mexico that has that kind of training. I have a friend that works for the Attorney General of Mexico, I know he has a Masters Degree, but not sure on basic police training. I do know he carries a 45 and makes about $4,000.00 US a month, He is so busy I have seen him 2 times this year, not even his family knows where he is

J.P. - 7-5-2012 at 10:50 AM

Leave your Toys in the same situation on any Beach or Lake in the States , Do you have any expectation of it being there the next day. :lol:

Sprocket - 7-5-2012 at 11:50 AM

Rules to live by when traveling anywhere. If you cant live with what ever your going to take being stolen, broken, missing or dirty when you get home don't take it!
My father has very nice Whaler in storage, but still only takes his little metal boat with a 80s something truck to Baja. My family would feel safer if he traveled in his new f350 and took the whaler but he wont cause he wants to stay under ther Radar.

Lee - 7-5-2012 at 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by Pescador Overnight the small crimes would go away if those Goofballs who came on the beach to steal the boat have a chance the campers were armed. I know, it will never happen in my lifetime, but that does not make the idea any less valid.

In a hypothetical situation, this could be correct.

In the context of theft in Baja, this post states that ''5 or 6 armed suspects'' showed up to steal a boat.

If I was traveling with a group of people, and they were all armed, a gunfight might work out. Even then, I don't think killing, or getting killed, is worth a boat with motors.

Nice fantasy though.

micah202 - 7-5-2012 at 12:09 PM

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Originally posted by Sprocket
Rules to live by when traveling anywhere. If you cant live with what ever your going to take being stolen, broken, missing or dirty when you get home don't take it!
My father has very nice Whaler in storage, but still only takes his little metal boat with a 80s something truck to Baja. My family would feel safer if he traveled in his new f350 and took the whaler but he wont cause he wants to stay under ther Radar.

stupid rule.....sad world.

..there was once a time I would have scoffed at people's expensive toys being taken as 'asking for it',,,,,

,,,but then I had my '80's toyo van with mis-matched doors,,kayak taken.....changed my outlook

...the theft happened in the north,,but it's clear just the tone of reporting here has shifted quite a bit over the years.....

...sad world

Hook - 7-5-2012 at 12:36 PM

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Yeah, come down to Mexico, live like a monk and be happy. :rolleyes:

Hook - 7-5-2012 at 12:50 PM

I was under the impression that the whole idea behind Fast and Furious was a sting operation. The guns were "released" into Mexico and were to be tracked so that the FBI/CIA/whomever could interrupt the pipeline of automatic weapons going from the US to Mexico. But, the tracking part failed miserably.

If Mexico REALLY cared about deterring crime, sting operations would work wondrously down here. Plant a boat with outboards close to shore, plant a recovered Cessna 210 here and there. Observe it and nail em. Word would get out fast.

I find myself agreeing with gnukid on this one. Nothing changes because, ultimately, there is so much collusion. Nothing changes because only the victims want change.

[Edited on 7-5-2012 by Hook]

fast and furiuos

captkw - 7-5-2012 at 01:06 PM

what I understand is they got caught dumping guns into mex and came up with the BS story about tracking so it did not look like the FACT that they dumped guns and helped stir up the story..I dare you to came up with a way to track a gun,knife,weapon..and yes I know firearms have a S.N. but not a GPS and are not track able..nope/nada/forget it !!!!! In the real world weopons are not given to crooks to track them..what a BAD<BAD joke..next they will give the coke addicts straws to track them!! and beer bottle openers to track the beer drinkers...lets get real on this issue..they were dumping guns to the bad guys for a host of wrong/bad reasons...my 1.5 centovos..........K&T :cool:

[Edited on 7-5-2012 by captkw]

Bajatripper - 7-5-2012 at 01:12 PM

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Originally posted by gnukid
This event could have easily been stopped if stopping crime was desirable to Mexican Government, the Mexican people and Baja Nomads as well.

If stopping crime is such an easy task, why haven't we done it in the US yet?

Alternatively, you're saying that all folks who live/travel down here enjoy being victims of crime. Count me out on that one.

prorader - 7-5-2012 at 01:31 PM

Education, Education, Training, Training, Local police are not in any way police that is why they are called security, In the US security is not in any way considered Law Inforcement. That is why they carry 38's and turn in there guns at the end of there shift. They go home as private citizens. How can you expect them at $300.00 to maybe $500.00 a month to protect your boat. I use to live in a town where the biggest weapon that the locals carried was a WW11 weapon, an M1A1 Carbine, against an AK, not a chance in hell, the highest education was middle school. This is the argument to make the State police the only police in Mexico, better trained, better paid, better educated? Maybe, but from what I read the State Police are not so good? I would suggest that Mexico go to LA and higher some of the best cops they can get, open a State police Academy, give the already state police a big pay raise and see if they can cut a 30 week training session. I have my doubts

captkw - 7-5-2012 at 01:34 PM

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Originally posted by captkw
what I understand is they got caught dumping guns into mex and came up with the BS story about tracking so it did not look like the FACT that they dumped guns and helped stir up the story..I dare you to came up with a way to track a gun,knife,weapon..and yes I know firearms have a S.N. but not a GPS and are not track able..nope/nada/forget it !!!!! In the real world weopons are not given to crooks to track them..what a BAD<BAD joke..next they will give the coke addicts straws to track them!! and beer bottle openers to track the beer drinkers...lets get real on this issue..they were dumping guns to the bad guys for a host of wrong/bad reasons...my 1.5 centovos..........K&T :cool:

[Edited on 7-5-2012 by captkw]

Cypress - 7-5-2012 at 01:37 PM

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If stopping crime is such an easy task, why haven't we done it in the US yet?

Too many lawyers and too many liberal judges? :lol:

prorader - 7-5-2012 at 02:14 PM

It happens in Mexico every day, but have you tried to bribe a US cop lately? Not a good idea. In most towns they get paid very well.

monoloco - 7-5-2012 at 03:27 PM

Here's a more in depth explanation of the fast and furious affair than the sound bite news crap we're most frequently force fed:
http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-fu...

edm1 - 7-5-2012 at 04:38 PM

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Originally posted by J.P.
Leave your Toys in the same situation on any Beach or Lake in the States , Do you have any expectation of it being there the next day. :lol:

I am pretty confident they will still be there or if not dead criminals. In the US not just criminals have high powered guns and sophisticated warfare equipment, vigilant citizens have them too. I feel naked when I'm in Baja.

[Edited on 7-5-2012 by edm1]

I dont belive a thing with fortune magazine

captkw - 7-5-2012 at 04:43 PM

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edm1 - 7-5-2012 at 04:47 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
If stopping crime is such an easy task, why haven't we done it in the US yet?

Too many lawyers and too many liberal judges? :lol:

There are not too many states, like Az, that allow their general citizenry to carry weapons, concealed, wherever they go. Methinks the gun control lobby is controlled by criminals, directly or indirectly.

[Edited on 7-6-2012 by edm1]

monoloco - 7-5-2012 at 04:51 PM

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Yet you are perfectly willing to believe the dumbed down, corporate network version. Brilliant!

prorader - 7-5-2012 at 05:29 PM

Stupid, every cop in the Us, town, city big city carries a gun 24 hours a day, every day. That is why they are US cops not Mexican Security guards, that is the big problem local cops as with local people can't carry a gun. even a 38 is better then no gun at all

desertcpl - 7-5-2012 at 05:38 PM

There are not too many states, like Az, that allow their general citizenry to carry weapons, concealed, wherever they go. Methinks the gun lobby is controlled by criminals, directly or indirectly.

[Edited on 7-5-2012 by edm1]

now thats a little far out,, gun lobby controlled by criminals?
criminals want very strict gun control, so they will be the only ones with guns

desertcpl - 7-5-2012 at 05:40 PM

even a 38 is better then no gun at all

I own a SW 38 special "P" now that is nothing to mess with

DavidE - 7-5-2012 at 05:46 PM

If a lot of gringos were legally allowed to bring guns into México do you think they'd settle for crappy satuday-night-specials? No, they'd insist on Model 29 Smith & Wesson, Genuine .45's, PPK Walthers, and the like. The bad guys would key on this, and shoot people dead to get their firearms which are a hell of a lot harder for a sicario to get his hands on than stupid dolares.

How would you like to start playing hide and go seek at your campsite with someone armed with a Chinese AK47 or US M16?

"Oh damn Miguelito, we wasted more bullets on these stupid gringos and picked ones that don't even have guns. Let's go try the next beach".

Utterly brilliant...keep 'em coming...

motoged - 7-5-2012 at 05:55 PM

Predictable.....another thread deteriorates into how big a guy's balls are and how much he would shoot 'em up ... :barf:

wrong

captkw - 7-5-2012 at 09:40 PM

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Originally posted by monoloco

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Originally posted by captkw

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Yet you are perfectly willing to believe the dumbed down, corporate network version. Brilliant!

I dont watch TV or read the news paper..most news I get over internet and late night Am talk shows..Have you ever heard of Clear channel,,scary !! and yes IM Brilliant,how did you know??

Terry28 - 7-5-2012 at 10:37 PM

Under the title of "nod good deed goes unpunished" I offer a few facts to this rant: FACT: In the last 5 years 68,000 illegal guns have been recovered in Mexico and traced back to the U.S. At a minimum, then, 98 percent of the guns sold by U.S. gunshops that ended up in Mexico had nothing to do with "Fast and Furious". Yet the same republicans in congress so outraged over the programs sale of 2,000 guns ( and yes it did go down wrong) have adamently blocked every effort to moniter and regulate gun shops in the U.S. So lets talk about the real problem here..the easy availability of guns in our society....I am not anti- gun ...just anti nut jobs,
and a lot of the NRA scare tactics......my 2p pesos... and don't worry David, no sheriffs reserve is ever going to be asked to put any international program together..

[Edited on 7-6-2012 by Terry28]

[Edited on 7-6-2012 by Terry28]

TERRY 28

captkw - 7-5-2012 at 11:01 PM

Hola,,well said...myself waiting and watching what is going to happen next..your right about where the guns are coming from !! far as I have seen (well traveled in mex) there is no gun companys in mex !! LOL

prorader - 7-6-2012 at 10:24 AM

There is 1 Gun Company in Mexico, that is in Mexico City and it is owned by the Mexican Army, and the only legal place to buy a gun in Mexico

really!!

captkw - 7-6-2012 at 11:09 AM

Holas,Learn something new every day !! did not know that!! what cal. do they make??

luv2fish - 7-7-2012 at 04:48 PM

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On June 25th, two foreigners reported that five or six armed suspects pulled up to the beach where they were sleeping in a motorhome in the pre-dawn hours and robbed them of a 28 foot boat with two 200hp Kawasaki outboards and a Kawasaki ATV.

Could this be the boat in question ?

http://www.el-mexicano.com.mx/galerias/736/22/yesenia-lopez/...

prorader - 7-7-2012 at 04:57 PM

They don't make guns they sell the guns that are legal for Mexicans to own, I believe the max is a simple 38, with x number of rounds only. Most would be a 22 or 32 cal, or a small shotgun maybe a 410, not sure of a 12 gage. but a small nose bleed compared to the bad guys and what they carry, shame a 38 doesn't work against a goat horn

vacaenbaja - 7-7-2012 at 08:52 PM

As a rule whenever I have something that is of great value I insure it for theft. It sucks and it stings the pocket book a bit to do this but
if I cannot afford to replace it out of pocket it is the only option that
will cover my losses. That way I only have to worry about the police
report which is a lot easier to get from a cop in Mexico than my property back.