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Why I'll Never move to Baja

Santiago - 7-15-2012 at 09:19 AM


Small, very small stream in the American River water shed. 60 minutes from my house. I'm about 2 or 3 weeks late getting to it this year, flow has dropped and the umbrella plants are getting big, but still nice to visit an old friend.

fresh water ROCKS !!!!

captkw - 7-15-2012 at 09:20 AM


Skipjack Joe - 7-15-2012 at 10:50 AM

Looks like it's time to get out the mosquito repellant.

woody with a view - 7-15-2012 at 11:11 AM

.... and the sunscreen for those legs!:O

Osprey - 7-15-2012 at 11:22 AM

Santiago, you know better. There are pockets of fresh water down here and you can grow most anything you like >> bring Oregon to Baja.

Here's the entrance to my patio in Baja Sur. The patio is a dark tangle of big lush leaves and vines and I can't seem to get a good camera shot of it. Besides, the mist might hurt my Nikon.

big leaf.jpg - 39kB

Mulegena - 7-15-2012 at 11:44 AM

Sorry, folks, the magnitude of nature shown in Santiago's pic just can't be replicated, nor can the grandness of Baja be transported elsewhere. Can't compare the two beauties. Both are stunning.

The picture certainly strikes a chord of longing in this heart. The cellular memory of the sound of the water wind birds, the musky sweet scent-- I gotta admit, I miss.

Life has brought me to Baja, to this mysterious harsh land that time seems to have forgotten.

The woods, I'll still go and visit from time to time and relish every moment.

Jack Swords - 7-15-2012 at 12:14 PM

Hope you're not anywhere near the Forest Hill fire.

wessongroup - 7-15-2012 at 12:58 PM

Thanks for both views.. as I like them both ...

Cypress - 7-15-2012 at 01:12 PM

Each to his own!:D My favorite? The swamps, marsh country and Gulf of Mexico down in MS/LA USA. That's were I grew up. But??? The High Desert? The Pacific Northwest Mountains? The Baja Desert? Hawaii? Southeast Alaska? Jeez! I like 'em all!!!

60 MIN. DRIVE

captkw - 7-15-2012 at 02:21 PM

HOLA,,BUMMER...I have to walk abot 60 feet out my front door and its real sweet for 3 season's but come winter,, its BAJA TIME !! K & T :cool:

nbacc - 7-15-2012 at 03:38 PM

Beauty is all in the eye of the beholder.................and where you want to see it.

EnsenadaDr - 7-15-2012 at 03:43 PM

I came from the Northeast and Connecticut, I would never return there, the climate of Baja and Ensenada is the best in the country if not the world. I HATE cold!!!

Bajaboy - 7-15-2012 at 03:49 PM

Santiago, maybe spray paint the rocks and toss a few Tecate cans around....to get that Baja feeling:lol:

MikeYounghusband - 7-15-2012 at 03:53 PM

I hate cold too. Therres a quiet in Baja that is hard to find any where else.

Santiago - 7-15-2012 at 07:23 PM

Jack: Forest Hill is uphill from us about 40 miles so we get the smoke/haze but that's about it. Very tough fire to fight, pretty much all by air. I just came back from the Crystal Basin, the area between the middle and south fork of the American river where the Cleveland fire of maybe 10 years ago swept thru and burned everything to the dirt. After replanting the following year, it's an odd looking forest now - all the trees are identical and maybe 20 feet high. healthy looking but odd. The odd acre or two of old growth that was never cut survived and really stand out.
SkipJack: Yeah, your right. Not a photo one would submit for publication. The moss told me that it was off, fer sure. This stream dumps into the Rubicon and the next canyon to the north is spring fed and is fishable well into August most years. In fact, I was 'chased off' by some ne'er do wells who informed me it was private land (may be true) but I suspect the "warm smell of colitas" was not far off. I broke down my rod and drove out in wet boots. No sense pushing one's luck for dinks, although, some of the most beautifully colored trout I've seen are 8" long and come from pools in this water shed.

FRESH WATER

captkw - 7-15-2012 at 07:34 PM

I LOVE BAJA !! THAT said as someone that is VERY ,VERY well traveled on the west coast (Alaska to panama) I have chased salt water fish !! but for swiming,camping(god I hate that word) Its a way of life!! for A :cool: place I go that dosnt have lots of fresh water is...........OF course beloved BAJA

Ateo - 7-15-2012 at 07:41 PM

No bears in Baja. I like that. Or are there???

bears in baja

captkw - 7-15-2012 at 07:56 PM

Hola, UP in the serria la laguana where there is pine tree's 35 miles from CABO and can snow !! there were bear there till say 50 years ago !! and I belive still have deer..and I know that there is BORE..and thats not bad TV show!! K&T:cool:

Barry A. - 7-15-2012 at 08:02 PM

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Originally posted by ateo
No bears in Baja. I like that. Or are there???


Hear, Hear!!!! Me no likey those bears either. Big Kitties are ok, but bears not so good. Bears are ornry and will kill ANYTHING they take a dislikeing to. Big cats are much more discriminating.

Barry

BARRY A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LOL..LOL..LOL

captkw - 7-15-2012 at 08:03 PM


Skipjack Joe - 7-15-2012 at 08:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
Quote:
Originally posted by ateo
No bears in Baja. I like that. Or are there???


Hear, Hear!!!! Me no likey those bears either. Big Kitties are ok, but bears not so good. Bears are ornry and will kill ANYTHING they take a dislikeing to. Big cats are much more discriminating.

Barry


Interesting.

I had heard that big cats are far more dangerous. Many say that with grizzlies you don't fight back in the begining because it's a dominance thing. You always fight back when a mountain lion attacks. By the time you see them they've been stalking you for a while. You never turn your back on a cat either. Just walk backwards while facing the animal. I also believe that you never want to stare down a grizzly but it makes no difference with a cat?

Ateo - 7-15-2012 at 08:19 PM

Yep. A Bear could take a .45 and just get excited..............No me gusta.

They can also chomp down on your skull while you're calling for help. I don't like that and I still have nightmares after camping in Alaska from 1996-98.

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Originally posted by Barry A.
Quote:
Originally posted by ateo
No bears in Baja. I like that. Or are there???


Hear, Hear!!!! Me no likey those bears either. Big Kitties are ok, but bears not so good. Bears are ornry and will kill ANYTHING they take a dislikeing to. Big cats are much more discriminating.

Barry
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Barry A. - 7-15-2012 at 08:27 PM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
Quote:
Originally posted by ateo
No bears in Baja. I like that. Or are there???


Hear, Hear!!!! Me no likey those bears either. Big Kitties are ok, but bears not so good. Bears are ornry and will kill ANYTHING they take a dislikeing to. Big cats are much more discriminating.

Barry


Interesting.

I had heard that big cats are far more dangerous. Many say that with grizzlies you don't fight back in the begining because it's a dominance thing. You always fight back when a mountain lion attacks. By the time you see them they've been stalking you for a while. You never turn your back on a cat either. Just walk backwards while facing the animal. I also believe that you never want to stare down a grizzly but it makes no difference with a cat?


You have to do what you have to do, SkipJack. Cats like me-----bears don't---------I will walk with cats (tho yes, watch your back) but the very idea of a bear sends me into cold sweats-----and they slobber, so obviously they want to eat you. With me, man wins, and bears should be history (except maybe in Siberia)

Barry

BEAUTY!! well said !!

captkw - 7-15-2012 at 08:34 PM

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Originally posted by nbacc
Beauty is all in the eye of the beholder.................and where you want to see it.

Skipjack Joe - 7-15-2012 at 09:51 PM

It looks as though we have a cougar not too far from here. Purissima Cyn Road is one I hike fairly regularly.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/27/mountain-lion-half-...

Packoderm - 7-15-2012 at 10:27 PM

Crystal Basin for 9 days camping last week.















SUMMER ON THE WEST COAST !!!

captkw - 7-16-2012 at 06:04 AM

NOTHING IN THE WORLD CAN GET CLOSE TO THE WEST IS BEST !!!!! SOME FOOL THAT DOSNT KNOW BETTER MIGHT THINK OTHERWISE !! K & T :cool:

Skipjack Joe - 7-16-2012 at 03:03 PM

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Originally posted by Mulegena

The cellular memory of the sound of the water wind birds, the musky sweet scent-- I gotta admit, I miss.



Cellular memory?

motoged - 7-16-2012 at 03:20 PM

SJ,
Read all about it....some folks believe in it, others don't:

"Virtually every behavioral pattern exhibited during routine activities of daily living results from learned data which is stored, or encoded, as cellular memory. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_memory

http://www.skepdic.com/cellular.html

http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080123/full/451385a.html

[Edited on 7-16-2012 by motoged]

Skipjack Joe - 7-16-2012 at 03:40 PM

Where is the link to this quote:

"Virtually every behavioral pattern exhibited during routine activities of daily living results from learned data which is stored, or encoded, as cellular memory. "

Where would a cell store memory information? Sounds like bs to me.

motoged - 7-16-2012 at 07:29 PM

If you think it's BS, why would you want a link?

Do your own research if you are truly curious....if you want me to do that so you can build a case against something....what's with that?

toneart - 7-16-2012 at 07:52 PM

The Northern California Black Bear is a docile species with the exception of a mother with cubs. They come through my property several times a year from the canyon. I don't put out garbage until the morning of Waste Management's pickup, but neighbors do. That is what they are after. They just want an easy, no hassle route to the garbage.

My dog routinely runs them off the property or up a tree. Bears hate noise; barking dogs, beating on pots and pans, etc.I have gotten to know several generations of bear families through the years. Currently there is a cinnamon colored bear as big as a Volkswagen who lumbers through. I remember it as a cub from five years ago. He's an old friend.

Occasionally some idiot will shoot one. Well, I don't understand that. It is a gun-nut mentality that is so pervasive up here in Redneck country. Bears can be quite destructive of property, but they will look for an escape route if confronted. Shooting them is not warranted! :fire:

Barry A. - 7-16-2012 at 08:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by toneart
The Northern California Black Bear is a docile species with the exception of a mother with cubs. They come through my property several times a year from the canyon. I don't put out garbage until the morning of Waste Management's pickup, but neighbors do. That is what they are after. They just want an easy, no hassle route to the garbage.

My dog routinely runs them off the property or up a tree. Bears hate noise; barking dogs, beating on pots and pans, etc.I have gotten to know several generations of bear families through the years. Currently there is a cinnamon colored bear as big as a Volkswagen who lumbers through. I remember it as a cub from five years ago. He's an old friend.

Occasionally some idiot will shoot one. Well, I don't understand that. It is a gun-nut mentality that is so pervasive up here in Redneck country. Bears can be quite destructive of property, but they will look for an escape route if confronted. Shooting them is not warranted! :fire:


I was the Bear Management Officer (black, cinnamon, and Griz) for Glacier National Park in Montana for a year back in 1968. What Tony says is mostly true, except the part about black and cinnamon bears (they are the same) being "docile". They may appear docile, even act docile, but believe me they are only that way when they feel not threatened in any way. When they perceive any threat, or when grouchy, they are killing machines fully capable of killing any animal or human in their way. (a lot like us).

Consequently, I do not feel that bears and humans are compatible as I value human life above any rogue bear, and many of them act like "rogues". Our Bear Biologist in the Park (Cliff Martinka) backed me up on this belief------and was extremely respectful of all bears, almost to the point of paranoia.

Barry

bear

captkw - 7-16-2012 at 08:32 PM

docile bear..now I have heard it ALL...they can and do tear car doors off to get at food !! strong, fast, can climb,swim and run very fast for short sprints...and can smell very good !! they cant see worth.s---t and thats your angle !! and they will not back down in a challange,,but if you back up..that gives them the option of calling it quits................when your lucky!!! K & T:cool: and to tonehart..good on you!! shooting a bear can almost be be avoided 99.9 percent of times...there is a ca. F&G program to replenish bears tru out ca. that is not public info and a lot of the bears are problem bears from alaska!! go figure !! I have fished on rivers with a bear 50 ft from me and did not get molested..and most folks out hiking have walked within 50 feet of a mt. lion and never knew it !!! K & T :cool:

[Edited on 7-17-2012 by captkw]

RIDGE

captkw - 7-16-2012 at 08:54 PM

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Santiago - 7-16-2012 at 09:02 PM

When hiking in BC a few summers ago we were constantly advised to hike in groups, wear bells on our boots and carry pepper spray as a defense against bears. Near the end of the hike we came on a sign helping folks tell the difference between a black/brown bear and a grizzly by looking at their scat:
"A brown bear's will have berries and other seeds in it while a grizzly's will have small bells and smell of pepper"

Santiago - 7-16-2012 at 09:07 PM

As we have morphed into bears; a few years ago after a long day fishing the Hell Hole area I'm driving slowly along a narrow road when a beautiful golden adult bear runs into the road no more than 30 feet in front of me, stops, turns around and two small cubs, also golden scurry after her across the road. I had never seen the golden coat before and now I saw three. I've been told that there is a reddish coat which I've not seen either.

Skipjack Joe - 7-16-2012 at 10:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by motoged
If you think it's BS, why would you want a link?

Do your own research if you are truly curious....if you want me to do that so you can build a case against something....what's with that?


If you're going to respond by telling me to do my own research, why bother responding?

What's with your attitude?

Yes, and I repeat, this statement sounds like bs to me:

"The cellular memory of the sound of the water wind birds, the musky sweet scent..."

motoged - 7-16-2012 at 10:42 PM

I offered some links for info about a topic....you ask for the source and say it sounds like BS.

Did you read the links? Did you go beyond the two I listed? If you still thought the concept was BS, why do you want me to provide a sample quote/definition from one of the links ?

My attitude is one that comes up when a Nomad doesn't bother to hit Google or a book or some damned thing aside from their opinion vault before calling BS.

Skipjack Joe - 7-16-2012 at 11:17 PM

FYI.

Yes I read all of your links and they all seemed to say it was BS as well.

1. First link called it pseudoscience.
2. Second link was unabashedly critical of it.
3. Third link said it existed at a primitive level, that of a slime mold responding to electrical impulses. That is a long ways from storing memories of bird songs.

In neither of the links did I see the quote you presented. I thought I overlooked something and asked.

Instead I got a very rude post from you.

I probably shouldn't continue with this any longer and am only doing so to show you how wrong you were in your assumptions.

Marc - 7-16-2012 at 11:26 PM

I may move to Baja, but I will never buy property there.

Mula - 7-17-2012 at 06:36 AM

BEAR!

Walking down the street in Anchorage July 16, 2012.



Anchorage Daily News Photo

[Edited on 7-17-2012 by Mula]

motoged - 7-17-2012 at 09:39 AM

Quote:
SJ,
As my post said...some will believe it and some won't. I am not taking a position either way....just think it is interesting notion.

Mitochondrial memory or what.? Lots happening inside us that we are still learning about

I apologize for my terse response.

I am done with this , too.


quote]Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
FYI.

Yes I read all of your links and they all seemed to say it was BS as well.

1. First link called it pseudoscience.
2. Second link was unabashedly critical of it.
3. Third link said it existed at a primitive level, that of a slime mold responding to electrical impulses. That is a long ways from storing memories of bird songs.

In neither of the links did I see the quote you presented. I thought I overlooked something and asked.

Instead I got a very rude post from you.

I probably shouldn't continue with this any longer and am only doing so to show you how wrong you were in your assumptions.

Cypress - 7-17-2012 at 01:36 PM

Bear! Carry a can of bear spray or a 44 mag. I've got both. My choice? The spray, lighter than packing the big .44 pistol and why would a bear want to eat something that smells like bear spray? Have seen more bear than usual this year. Mostly black bear, but a couple of grizzly. :yes:

Camping on the Klamath

Skipjack Joe - 7-20-2012 at 03:54 PM


redmesa - 7-20-2012 at 04:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Marc
I may move to Baja, but I will never buy property there.


I bought property there but may never move there. Way too many wonderful places to explore in the world.