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jrbaja - 10-18-2004 at 09:23 AM

How has it come to the point where I have had arguments with people about who and who (should not) have children.
And the reason being money. Most people on the planet do not have money! And according to many who do have money, the ones that don't should not have children because of this. Or at least as many.
Having children is a fairly natural thing. I've even heard they can do it without doctors but that seems a little ridiculous of course!
And there is most certainly the factor of overpopulation on the planet. Who would want to raise children to just stand in lines or sit on overcrowded freeways.
These problems of course could be dealt with by teaching those without credit cards that they are just costing others money and taking up space.
After all, they sure can't afford private education to actually become a productive, financially independent citizen.
Or of course they could be used as slaves or at best, cheap labor and continue producing more, "workers".

My question is, which people should be allowed to continue reproducing and which should not? I think China is already working on something silmilar.

And then, who should be the one that decides ? The people with money ? The impartial Swiss? The president?
And what should it be based on ? Obviously money is what has of course come up first on this board.
What about honesty, upbringing, family closeness, and deeds performed to help others? Should this even be considered?
After all, none of those things buy SUVs or pay for daycare.

If I were watching this planet, the last person I would pick to choose would be the ones with the most divorce attorneys in their yellow pages. :lol:

BajaNomad - 10-18-2004 at 09:48 AM

Of possible interest...

Saw a press release about a new book called "Diving the Seamount" - and the writer's undercurrent of which is more important, "leading a life of values" versus "leading a life of materialism".... or something along those lines.

This is a fictional work, and the Seamount refers El Bajo, off La Paz in BCS.

Review:
http://www.epinions.com/content_154471665284

..and hey

- it's available through the BajaNomad Tienda (sorry for this bout of materialism JR):
http://tienda.bajanomad.com/cgi-bin/tienda.cgi?input_string=...

babies as social security

thebajarunner - 10-18-2004 at 10:00 AM

Being married to a Mexican, with 14 brothers and sisters, I have come to understand that having babies in Mexico is often a form of future financial security.
A couple of my foster sons' mother still worked at the orphanage which "lent" them to me. She was quite clear about the future; grow up, get a good job, support me.
And, in Teresa's family it is quite clear that Mama did her job, cranked 'em all out, now it is their job to support her.
Quite a different mind set than here in Gringolandia....

Baja Arriba!!

I have many friends in gringolandia

jrbaja - 10-18-2004 at 10:35 AM

who are practising the same idealogy. The difference is, when these parents become an annoyance, they are put in retirement homes rather than being cared for by the family.

Braulio - 10-18-2004 at 12:11 PM

That's a tit-for-tat type deal - when the parents got tired of the kids they probably warehoused them in daycare.

How about giving preference for kid-making to those that consume the least? -that is the non-credit card non-SUV crowd.

That way we could fit even more folks on the planet before things all go entirely to L.

JESSE - 10-18-2004 at 02:08 PM

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Originally posted by thebajarunner
Being married to a Mexican, with 14 brothers and sisters, I have come to understand that having babies in Mexico is often a form of future financial security.
A couple of my foster sons' mother still worked at the orphanage which "lent" them to me. She was quite clear about the future; grow up, get a good job, support me.
And, in Teresa's family it is quite clear that Mama did her job, cranked 'em all out, now it is their job to support her.
Quite a different mind set than here in Gringolandia....

Baja Arriba!!

That was true a few decades ago when most of the Mexican population was rural, it wasnt strange for families to have 5 or up to 10 children because kids would help out at the farm, but this has changed dramatically during the last 20 years as more and more Mexicans live in urban areas, if you look closely at the birth rates of Mexicans during the last 20 years, you will see a steady decline as more and more people decide to live in la ciudad.

HA!

Debra - 10-18-2004 at 03:08 PM

Babies? After 2yrs. old, what the heck are they good for? Take 'em out and drown 'en I say! :biggrin:

JESSE - 10-19-2004 at 01:18 PM

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Originally posted by Hose A
Jessie.
An example of what you are saying..

My wife is the youngest of 13. She has 2. Her brothers and sister have 1 to 3 each. none more than 3.

Drastic change, in life styles.

But also an example of what jr is saying. She gives the father who left when she was 8 and did not return until she was 23 30% of her money and pays for all his medicine and most other needs. Only one of her siblings help her with her fathers support.

My mom had 9 brothers and sisters, my dad had 6, i have 5 brothers and sisters, i am already 31 and nada.

That's amazing Jesse

jrbaja - 10-19-2004 at 01:21 PM

I've met your girlfriend.

JESSE - 10-19-2004 at 01:24 PM

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Originally posted by jrbaja
I've met your girlfriend.

Give us a few years Jr

bajalera - 10-19-2004 at 05:08 PM

Drowning would be wasteful, Debra when they'd be so tender and tasty if roasted.

bajalera

Gypsy Jan - 10-19-2004 at 06:34 PM

Hmmmm...

I think this is more a lifestyle thing than a cultures being dramatically different thing.

My grandmother was the daughter of a Southern belle and was born on a plantation in Mississippi. Her father was a Baptist preacher who had remarried at age 65 to my great-grandmother (age 14).

Family records indicate he had ten children by his first wife and eight with his second family.

My grandmother had nine children that lived to adulthood, four born in the south, five born in the west.

All of these nine children came to live in California. Only one had three children, the rest had one or none.

To the best of my knowledge, I am and my daughter are the only living survivors of all of these people.

What does this say? I don't know. A rural lifestyle is hard, more hands make lighter work and the price for living it can be harsh. but, perhaps the urban/suburban lifestyle is even harder in ways that everyone can feel and know, but can't prove with surveys and tests, because you can't chart minds and souls.

Don't get me wrong, rural lifestyles have their stressed-out humans, too. I'm not trying to say one or other is better.

Maybe it could be that we are in greater danger of external harm in the rural environment and in greater danger of internal (i.e., cancer, high blood pressure, depression, etc.) to-your-soul harm in the urban environment.

There are some true

jrbaja - 10-19-2004 at 06:50 PM

Sickos on here Lera, Debra. Let me guess Lera, you just got back from the mountains and felt like a roasted something different? :lol:

Venado and tamales do tend to get old after a while!
Welcome back wherever you wuz.

bajalera - 10-19-2004 at 07:49 PM

Not the mountains, JR--been right here in LP, but Internetless. We made a household move of 5 blocks in September, and for reasons never quite clear, it took over a month for a guy to arrive and put in phone jacks (although the Telmex people were very pleasant about scheduling six different appointments that no one showed up for)--and then it took another week to provide a dial tone.

Steve had to leave after two weeks so I got stuck with going to the Telmex office, speaking bad Spanish and smiling a lot.

It's sure nice to be back in touch with the English-speaking world.

Lera

Dave - 10-19-2004 at 08:47 PM

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Originally posted by bajalera
and for reasons never quite clear, it took over a month for a guy to arrive and put in phone jacks --and then it took another week to provide a dial tone.

Understandable. They were all busy making, as JR so aptly put it, "cheap labor".

One thing humans have always had over the rest of the animal kingdom.......Free will.