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Duty on Wine

yawaraman - 8-3-2012 at 10:01 AM

Know i am being a bit lazy , but does anyone know offhand what the duty on wine purchased in Mexico is when we cross back to US?

bacquito - 8-3-2012 at 12:21 PM

How much are you bringing back? I've never paid duty. In fact, I never report it!

bajaguy - 8-3-2012 at 01:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by yawaraman
Know i am being a bit lazy , but does anyone know offhand what the duty on wine purchased in Mexico is when we cross back to US?





https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/212/~/requireme...

Mula - 8-3-2012 at 02:14 PM

I think if you have California plates, you are only allowed 2 bottles - liters / quarts, but there is no limit if you have other state plates.

Someone wrote about this not long ago here in the forum.

capt. mike - 8-3-2012 at 02:33 PM

that's BS - duty is a national thing with CBP.
one liter PP of legal age.
pay duty any more than that.

David K - 8-3-2012 at 02:47 PM

The California limit is not related to duty, is it? I have read here other states can bring cases in.
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Mula - 8-3-2012 at 02:58 PM

Years ago when I was taking like 6 bottles of Kahula into California, I was not given to option of duty. The Border Patrol just confiscated 4 of the bottles and threw then in the trash - probably with a pipeline to their homes after work.

We spent five years beating on this subject

thebajarunner - 8-3-2012 at 03:13 PM

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=22754&pag...

no reason to hammer away on this topic again,
the thread above will take you to four pages of advice

(none of it very valuable, in my opinion)

capt. mike - 8-3-2012 at 03:41 PM

there is a diff between duty free and duty owed.

if a border station is not set up to collect duty then they can't and won't allow excess to come in. Learned the hard way years ago in tecate.

Bob and Susan - 8-3-2012 at 04:12 PM

doesnt everyone love talking about "duty"

and the bajarunner spent 5 years talking "duty"

duty Duty DUTY!!!

Rainer - 8-3-2012 at 08:03 PM

http://www.abc.ca.gov/permits/importing.html

Five long ponderous dreary and unheard years

thebajarunner - 8-3-2012 at 08:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bob and Susan
doesnt everyone love talking about "duty"

and the bajarunner spent 5 years talking "duty"

duty Duty DUTY!!!



Just "doing my duty" folks

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

It's not difficult

bajaguy - 8-3-2012 at 08:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajaguy
Quote:
Originally posted by yawaraman
Know i am being a bit lazy , but does anyone know offhand what the duty on wine purchased in Mexico is when we cross back to US?





https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/212/~/requireme...





Just follow the above link from CBP regarding alcohol........

[Edited on 8-4-2012 by bajaguy]

Get the popcorn machine revved up

thebajarunner - 8-3-2012 at 08:54 PM

Here we go for four more pages of nonsense...

Everyone has a different version, a war story and an opinion.

None of which will hold water (or whatever liquid you happen to be carrying)

wine duty, duty,duty

yawaraman - 8-4-2012 at 11:30 AM

Thanks bajaguy & Rainer for the links, looks like no matter how good the wind from Guadaulpe Valley might be , I'll have to find a retail outlet to supply. So for now it's still 2 buck Chuck

capt. mike - 8-4-2012 at 11:41 AM

Yegads Man - how can you stomach that swill? the smell will tell you sumthins wrong....but then that after taste.....shudders....

i know....i know....to each their own.:biggrin:

Methinks you know not of what you speak, Capt Mike

thebajarunner - 8-4-2012 at 11:52 AM

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Originally posted by capt. mike
Yegads Man - how can you stomach that swill? the smell will tell you sumthins wrong....but then that after taste.....shudders....

i know....i know....to each their own.:biggrin:


I know the Franzia guys, and they have a very interesting approach to "Two Buck Chuck"
None of the wine is theirs,
They buy up bulk from anyone who needs to unload it.
Occasionally they get bulk from a high buck primo winery and those in the know get super stuff for two bucks

I agree that, generally, it is pretty awful, but when the buy is right, the wine is great.

Don't paint them with quite that wide of a brush, my man.....

bajaguy - 8-4-2012 at 11:56 AM

Please be aware that State ABC laws govern how much alcohol a person may import into their state without a license and those laws are enforced by CBP. You must check with the state ABC board where your shipment will enter the country to determine their limits.

There is no federal limit on the amount of alcohol someone may import into the U.S. for personal use, however, large quantities might raise the suspicion that the importation is for commercial purposes, and a CBP Officer could require you to obtain an Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau (TTB) import license before releasing it.
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After reading this, it seems to me if you are bringing back a case or two for "personal use/consumption", there is NO federal Duty/tax.

The requirement, as I see it is that if you live in Idaho, and enter the US through Otay, you would need to get a written ruling from both California and Idaho alcohol beverage control/regulatory/taxing agencies and present that to the CBP agent when crossing

wine duty

yawaraman - 8-4-2012 at 01:01 PM

Yeagads is right I am almost sorry I posted the question. But thebajarunner is right, opinions are like another body part, everybodys got one. After 35 years in Sonoma County I have a pretty good handle on wine quality, anybody can find a good wine for $25 or up, the chalange is to find a good wine at $10. Like a lot of wine drinkers I have a daily table wine (Chuck), and then search out bargain, quality wines for that special occasions.

Shall we call a halt to this post??

woody with a view - 8-4-2012 at 01:11 PM

the proper line is, "everyone has one and they all stink!" opinions, that is!:lol:

bajaguy - 8-4-2012 at 01:12 PM

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Originally posted by yawaraman
After 35 years in Sonoma County I have a pretty good handle on wine quality....





Dude...........next time you come to/through Ensenada, hows about (please) bringing me a bottle of this............

http://www.vsattui.com/Madeira?pageID=037bcfca-ae56-fe8f-6ed...

capt. mike - 8-5-2012 at 09:09 AM

hahaha i knew i'd get creamed for that.

i am familiar with their production methods, brokering left over bulks and then bottling it.

the problem for me is every purchase is a gamble. After you have had 5 bad ones, you spent $10 [$15 in AZ, its 3 buck upchuck here] - might as well play safe and get quality stuff you know is consistant.

i get plenty good vins at bevmo on the 5 cent sales. Some will net to $5 in bulk. Also Total Wine has deals.

California ABC response

bajaguy - 8-9-2012 at 09:41 AM

QUESTION:

I would appreciate any assistance or guidance with the following question:

My wife and I are Nevada residents (Nevada driver's licenses and Nevada registered vehicle) and will be vacationing in Baja California (Mexico). We would like to bring back to our home in Nevada approximately two (2) cases (24 bottles) of assorted Mexican wines and Mexican distilled spirits such as Brandy and Tequila for personal use and consumption.

We will be entering the United States in San Diego and returning to Nevada with no stops of signifince.

What are the California regulations and requirements regarding bringing this alcohol into California with a final destination of Nevada.

RESPONSE:

Dear Mr. XXXXX,

We have information about personal importation on our Web site: www.abc.ca.gov. The direct link is: California ABC - Importing Alcoholic Beverages

In particular, please review the section entitled “Returning From Mexico.”

The final decision whether to allow any personal importation rests with Customs and Border Protection inspectors.

Be prepared to pay CBP officials the amount of federal tax on the quantity of distilled spirits and wine that exceeds the “duty-free” limit of one-liter per adult traveler. If you are interested in determining the tax rates please visit the following Web site (www.ttb.gov) and then search for wine and spirits tax rates.

Sincerely,

David K. Wright
Trade Enforcement Unit
dave.wright@abc.ca.gov

Martyman - 8-9-2012 at 09:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by woody with a view
the proper line is, "everyone has one and they all stink!" opinions, that is!:lol:


I thought it was armpits

I agree

thebajarunner - 8-9-2012 at 04:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by capt. mike
hahaha i knew i'd get creamed for that.

i am familiar with their production methods, brokering left over bulks and then bottling it.

the problem for me is every purchase is a gamble. After you have had 5 bad ones, you spent $10 [$15 in AZ, its 3 buck upchuck here] - might as well play safe and get quality stuff you know is consistant.

i get plenty good vins at bevmo on the 5 cent sales. Some will net to $5 in bulk. Also Total Wine has deals.


But I did have to point out that sometimes it is Mondavi, but more likely Ernie's Discount Squeeze Shop....

I had a friend that was in charge of production there for years and he would call us up and say "Check out lot # so and so- it is prime stuff"

Alas, he retired, and I don't make the gamble anymore.

TMW - 8-11-2012 at 09:52 AM

Web site: www.abc.ca.gov. The direct link is: California ABC - Importing Alcoholic Beverages


Returning from Mexico
Section 23661 of the CA Business and Professions Code limits the quantity of alcohol brought into California from Mexico for personal or household use as follows:

■A pedestrian crossing the international border on foot may bring in only the amount of alcoholic beverages which are exempt from payment of duty in accordance with the existing provision of federal law (currently, this is one-liter every 31 days). Note: This limit applies to all persons regardless of state or country of residence. No waivers are available.

■A California resident crossing the international border in a vehicle that is not a common carrier may bring in only the amount of alcoholic beverages which are exempt from payment of duty in accordance with the existing provisions of federal law (currently, this is one-liter every 31 days).

■Non-California residents crossing the international border in a vehicle that is not a common carrier can bring with them a reasonable quantity of alcoholic beverages (up to five cases or 60 liters) provided the beverages are for personal or household use.

■A California resident or any other person crossing the international border via common carrier may bring in a reasonable quantity of alcoholic beverages (up to five cases or 60 liters) provided the beverages are for personal or household use.

■ No person under 21 years of age may bring in any quantity of alcoholic beverages.


For the purpose of Section 23661 "common carriers" are steamship companies and railroads, or any persons who hold themselves out to the general public to transport in interstate or foreign commerce any class or classes of passengers or property, or both, for compensation by air or highway, who actually engage in such transportation, and who hold an interstate alcoholic beverage transporter's permit as required by Section 32109 of the Revenue and Taxation Code.

Persons who transport only property owned or consigned to themselves shall not be deemed to be common carriers within the meaning of this section.

It should be noted that "common carriers" do not include taxicabs or sightseeing buses crossing the international border.