BajaNomad - Punta Colonet Mega Port Project???

Punta Colonet Mega Port Project???

Bob H - 8-8-2012 at 07:15 PM

Any update on this stalled project in Punta Colonet?

http://banderasnews.com/1001/nz-puntacolonet.htm

surfer jim - 8-8-2012 at 07:33 PM

Couldn't the cartels finish the port? They have the cash . Would be lower cost just to ship one container full every week to L.A. It would reduce border/freeway traffic also. :light:

Cypress - 8-8-2012 at 08:02 PM

With the completion of the work on the Panama Canal the large container ships will be able to pass through. These big ships will now be able to off-load at east coast ports. Ports along the Atlantic and Gulf Coast are upgrading their facilities to handle the larger container ships.

woody with a view - 8-8-2012 at 08:08 PM

not in our lifetime. that means not in the next 20+ years. a lot of the land has been bought but key parcels are holding out. that, and the mineral rights to the seabed will take forever to work out in the courts.

other than that, infrastructure in the area is a nice bonus, but i think a major new highway would be needed or a direct rail line to the border.

good luck!

David K - 8-8-2012 at 10:58 PM

When the American economy crashed, so did the amount of goods headed for the west coast, and there went the need for a Mexican mega port.

When the railroad is built between Colonet and Yuma, AZ (via Valle Trinidad and the San Matias Pass), which comes first before cargo is offloaded, then look for a port to be built.

It is a chicken or the egg kind of question, as to what comes first.

wilderone - 8-9-2012 at 07:07 AM

Punta Colonet viable in next administration, says CMIC
Published: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 17:14 (GMT -0400)
By Rebecca Conan / Business News Americas

The Punta Colonet port project in Mexico's Baja California state is possible within the next administration, according to the president of national construction chamber CMIC, Luis Zárate.
"The project is viable within the next administration, probably in smaller phases than originally planned," Zárate said during a presentation of CMIC's infrastructure proposals for the next government.
For a successful tender, the transport and communications ministry (SCT) must have technical and financial studies in place, as well as a realistic work schedule, the official said.
"Such an ambitious project could take up to 15 years to complete, which is why we recommend carrying it out in phases," Zárate said.
Budgeted at 50bn pesos (US$3.9bn), the original Punta Colonet project was to involve building and operating a port, a railway line and other transport services.
A tender was launched in 2008 but later postponed due to the global financial crisis. SCT initially estimated capacity reaching 6mn TEUs/y by 2022, but in 2009 revised it down to 1mn TEUs/y.
"The tender failed because it was launched without proper planning, without land to build on, without financial studies and without a work program," said Zárate.

When asked if Punta Colonet will still be necessary following once the Panama Canal expansion is complete, Zárate said the project is of significant strategic importance.
The port will help alleviate eventual saturation at the port of Long Beach in the US. The US port was close to saturation point during the initial phases of the Punta Colonet project; however, operation levels have since dropped, contributing to a downturn at the port, analysts say.

thebajarunner - 8-9-2012 at 07:58 AM

We had lunch in a little Colonet taco place with a most gracious senora hostess.

We asked her about the project,
she just sort of smiled, sniffed and said that it was no longer a topic in town.

Clearly, the locals got their watches wound, and now it is just another "Nautica Escalara"

mtgoat666 - 8-9-2012 at 08:33 AM

it will never get built. the entire development idea makes little sense. if US needs additional port space so US consumers can consume asian goods, why not expand a couple US ports and keep shipping jobs in US? shipping goods through another country (and potentially unstable country) makes no sense.

thinking globally and acting locally,... if san diego was smart, san diego would expand it's port and refurbish it's rail infrastructure rather than converting waterfront to hotels and stadiums.... i am sure LA, long beach, seattle and bay area will get hip and expand their ports long before some fool spends billions to create a new port and rail line in remote mexico.

BillP - 8-9-2012 at 08:58 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
it will never get built. the entire development idea makes little sense. if US needs additional port space so US consumers can consume asian goods, why not expand a couple US ports and keep shipping jobs in US? shipping goods through another country (and potentially unstable country) makes no sense.

thinking globally and acting locally,... if san diego was smart, san diego would expand it's port and refurbish it's rail infrastructure rather than converting waterfront to hotels and stadiums.... i am sure LA, long beach, seattle and bay area will get hip and expand their ports long before some fool spends billions to create a new port and rail line in remote mexico.

Been to LA/LB ports lately? They're fairly empty. Why? The longshoreman's union has priced themselfs out of the biz. It's cheaper to go through the ditch and unload on the East coast.

China and Labor costs

thebajarunner - 8-9-2012 at 09:21 AM

That is what will drive this deal, nothing else.
Only China has the cash (and the incentive) to get it done,
and only the US is dumb enough to price itself out of the market.

Widening the Canal will not solve the labor costs, and frankly, I would much rather deal with labor issues on the West Coast than the Mafia Coast, just my opinion.

And, fuel costs, Canal charges, and additional time at sea will not make that alternative so attractive.

If China wants to do this deal badly enough, they will find a way, if not then it will not happen,

And, China economic growth is stalled out right now, so that is another reason it will not be happening any time soon, if at all.

DavidE - 8-9-2012 at 10:12 AM

Excellent thread IMHO thank you.

As a Marine Electronics Tech

estebanis - 8-9-2012 at 03:36 PM

With plans to Retire just a mere 15 miles north of the port. I want to see it done for some "Supplemental Income". That and how it would help many of my amigos who's lives have been ruined with the loss of the tourist trade...
Esteban

Cypress - 8-9-2012 at 03:52 PM

Dream on! :lol:

The west coast ports are toast. The union's will extract whatever they can, but they're done.

Bajatripper - 8-9-2012 at 04:06 PM

But there's more to it than just port capacity. Shipping ports are some of the most polluted real estate in the US. One of the primary factors for wanting to move such operations to places like near the border in Mexico is to have the access to the US rail system (they had, at one point, planned to link Colonet with the US rails) while not having to worry about those pesky environmental regulations and fines.

http://www.nrdc.org/air/pollution/ports1/overview.asp

mtgoat666 - 8-9-2012 at 04:07 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Dream on! :lol:

The west coast ports are toast. The union's will extract whatever they can, but they're done.

why are all of you right wingnuts loopy? very little labor involved in cargo container shipping. labor cost is minor issue. most longshoremen laid off 40 years ago when intermodal container shipping took over.

Cypress - 8-9-2012 at 04:25 PM

mtgoat666,:biggrin. Loopy? :biggrin:

Hide and watch. :biggrin:

Brilliant comment- NOT~~~

thebajarunner - 8-9-2012 at 04:45 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

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Originally posted by Cypress
Dream on! :lol:

The west coast ports are toast. The union's will extract whatever they can, but they're done.

Where do you get your facts, sir?
I just clipped this from a LATimes story run last month,
hardly matches your rather inappropriate observation....

"The nation's ports are competing for tens of thousands of new jobs that are among the best-paying blue-collar positions in the U.S.

International trade is important to the Southern California economy.

About 640,000 people work in trade-related jobs in Los Angeles, Orange, Ventura, Riverside, San Bernardino, San Diego and Imperial counties, economist John Husing said. That's up from a low of fewer than 600,000 during the recession, but still far short of the 709,000 trade jobs in pre-recession 2007."

"very little labor" indeed- not per this quote...

mtgoat666 - 8-9-2012 at 04:51 PM

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Originally posted by thebajarunner

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

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Originally posted by Cypress
Dream on! :lol:

The west coast ports are toast. The union's will extract whatever they can, but they're done.

the 709,000 jobs are not in the ports. Most are elsewhere in places like the shipping/receiving warehouses in inland empire. are you telling me that in so cal there are 709,000 longshoremen working the port terminals??????????

you are comparing apples to oranges. fruit loops indeed!

Cypress - 8-9-2012 at 05:09 PM

Maybe I'm psychic? But I can see those big container ships by-passing the west coast ports. They didn't widen the Panama Canal for nothing. The big ships are heading for Atlantic and Gulf Coast ports. They're done with all those west coast stevadore union goons. And good riddance to 'em. :biggrin:

Cielomar - 8-10-2012 at 02:48 PM

this is good news and means the project will never get built and the area will escape further blight. Cypress is right. When the Panama Canal expansion project is finished in 2 years or so about 30-50% of Asain cargo will bypass the West Coast ports. Long Beach is already scrambling to plug the whole with rail optimization projects and the such. I hardly see the need for a Pacific Baja port with all the extra cost and delays that would entail. So rest easy, ain't gonna happen...

scouter - 8-10-2012 at 04:33 PM

The Largest Investor pulled the plug , do to to many hand's out during the early phases of testing and will not re entertain the project they move the most containers in the world so the others followed...

mtgoat666 - 8-10-2012 at 04:41 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Maybe I'm psychic? But I can see those big container ships by-passing the west coast ports. They didn't widen the Panama Canal for nothing. The big ships are heading for Atlantic and Gulf Coast ports. They're done with all those west coast stevadore union goons. And good riddance to 'em. :biggrin:

why do tea baggers always blame everything on the blue collar workers that demand payment for work? the only blue collar workers that tea baggers and GOP like are the ones that shut up and accept what they are offered w/o complaint, eh? it's always the union's fault!!

p.s. you forgot to get in a dig at jimmy carter for giving away the panama canal! :lol:

Stickers - 8-11-2012 at 01:02 AM

Business is up at L.A. harbor and they are prepared for the new supersized container ships.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/apr/14/business/la-fi-ports...

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Cypress - 8-11-2012 at 03:35 AM

mtgoat666, I'll never forget Jimmy Carter. He was just a typical Dem president.

dont count the port out just yet

desertcpl - 8-20-2012 at 06:56 AM

this came out today in the YumaSUN

the study for the rail corridor is under way

http://www.yumasun.com/news/yuma-81158-transportation-county...

dtbushpilot - 8-20-2012 at 08:03 AM

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Originally posted by desertcpl
this came out today in the YumaSUN

the study for the rail corridor is under way

http://www.yumasun.com/news/yuma-81158-transportation-county...

I didn't see any mention of the Colonet port in the newspaper article....did I miss something?

DavidE - 8-20-2012 at 08:07 AM

Don't knock the jobs! Feel fortunate!

Are they counting all the container drivers who are driving those dilapidated 20 year old truck hauling containers out of the port, at minimum wage?

[Edited on 8-20-2012 by DavidE]

durrelllrobert - 8-20-2012 at 09:03 AM

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Originally posted by desertcpl
this came out today in the YumaSUN

the study for the rail corridor is under way

http://www.yumasun.com/news/yuma-81158-transportation-county...

not related to Punta colenet project

desertcpl - 8-20-2012 at 09:15 AM

well not directly, but when this first came about,, the rail
corridor was coming thru the Yuma area and it was ment with alot of push from the area residents at that time

I am just reading between to lines

“This is about our community driving our own destiny,” FitzGerald said. “If rail is going to happen, we want to dictate where. If global markets continue to shift away from China and more toward Mexico, we want to be well positioned to take part. This is about jobs for our community.”

Read more: http://www.yumasun.com/articles/yuma-81158-transportation-co...

desertcpl - 8-21-2012 at 08:33 AM

this just cam out again in the YumaSun today

and it does mention the port

http://www.yumasun.com/opinion/rail-81174-yuma-local.html

luv2fish - 8-21-2012 at 08:57 AM

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Originally posted by durrelllrobert

Quote:

Originally posted by desertcpl
this came out today in the YumaSUN

the study for the rail corridor is under way

http://www.yumasun.com/news/yuma-81158-transportation-county...

not related to Punta colenet project

scouter - 8-21-2012 at 09:10 AM

There is a more likely opportunity for a super terminal in Canada then Mexico.

Volume is not up , it's just been diverted from ports/terminals that have been eliminated.

I love how the press spins things....

Bob H - 8-21-2012 at 11:24 PM

The responses have been very interesting indeed! Will it ever happen? Who knows.

David K - 8-23-2012 at 08:29 AM

While I was in Tucson the past few days visiting my daughter and granddaughter, there was a running story on the local news on how the Tucson city leaders are working with the Mexican government officials in Sonora to do whatever to turn Guaymas into the import port... There already is a railroad line from Guaymas north to Tucson, Arizona (via Hermosillo and Nogales). No need to build a new port or a 200+ mile railroad line as in the case of Colonet to Yuma. The ships would just sail the extra thousand-some miles into Guaymas.

durrelllrobert - 8-23-2012 at 10:50 AM

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Originally posted by desertcpl
this just cam out again in the YumaSun today

and it does mention the port

http://www.yumasun.com/opinion/rail-81174-yuma-local.html

yep, it sure does but first article ony talked about rail corridor from San Luis to handle increased manufacturing there.

durrelllrobert - 8-23-2012 at 10:53 AM

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Originally posted by David K
While I was in Tucson the past few days visiting my daughter and granddaughter, there was a running story on the local news on how the Tucson city leaders are working with the Mexican government officials in Sonora to do whatever to turn Guaymas into the import port... There already is a railroad line from Guaymas north to Tucson, Arizona (via Hermosillo and Nogales). No need to build a new port or a 200+ mile railroad line as in the case of Colonet to Yuma. The ships would just sail the extra thousand-some miles into Guaymas.

Makes more snse. Just need to find investors to expand port at Guamas and freight handling facility in Tuscon.

Burbs - 8-23-2012 at 11:15 AM

How about a port in Ensenada- La Paz that ships all the goods that are able to go by boat/barge bypassing the truckers having to drive all the way to La Paz-Cabo. It would save lives and reduce traffic on the Mex. #1.
Most of the traffic heading south from San Quitin is going all the way to La Paz and Cabo.
Turn that fish processing place(kiss me where it stinks) in Ensenada into a container shipping port.
That would be a win-win.

durrelllrobert - 8-23-2012 at 11:22 AM

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Originally posted by Burbs
How about a port in Ensenada- La Paz that ships all the goods that are able to go by boat/barge bypassing the truckers having to drive all the way to La Paz-Cabo. It would save lives and reduce traffic on the Mex. #1.
Most of the traffic heading south from San Quitin is going all the way to La Paz and Cabo.
Turn that fish processing place(kiss me where it stinks) in Ensenada into a container shipping port.
That would be a win-win.

Ensenada allready has a container port that receives goods from the Orient. It certainly could be expanded but a rail line to ? (TJ, Otay, Tecate or Mexicalli) is another story.

David K - 8-23-2012 at 04:26 PM

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EL SAUZAL

"20 year old truck haulers"

thebajarunner - 8-25-2012 at 12:16 PM

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Originally posted by DavidE
Don't knock the jobs! Feel fortunate!

Are they counting all the container drivers who are driving those dilapidated 20 year old truck hauling containers out of the port, at minimum wage?

[Edited on 8-20-2012 by DavidE]

Being the owner of a small business that runs a half dozen diesel rigs every day for delivery I am sad to tell you that CARB (the Cal Air Resource Bd) has put most of my much more modern rigs into mothballs.

The days of elderly rigs running on our roads in California are gone, or quickly disappearing.

These new regs have cost us a staggering amount of money to update our fleet- a fleet which we kept in excellent condition and which always passed all the smog and air quality checks. But the bureaucrats just drew a line and said, "sorry boys, you need to go spend the last five year's profits on new rigs, we don't give a rip if your old ones are in good shape or not. We are the government, we make the rules!"

And, what do you do with a perfectly good diesel that is out of date? I guess you just drive it down to Baja and give it to someone who will make it work for another 20 years.

J.P. - 8-26-2012 at 11:27 AM

Any time a shipping company services a Consumer Society there is a problem . Volume of frieght coming in vs. freight going out. When I was Trucking Coast to Coast places like California that are rapidly becoming Consumer Society's at different times of the year it wasnt cost efective to haul freight to California because there wasnt any frieght going out. It'more so with Container freight coming into the U.S.In your travels have you ever noticed the ever growing Graveyard of shipping container. There is no money in shipping empty containers back to thier point of origin.Its not the people that handle the frieght that are causing the problen. It's the People that are selling Americas Future to the cheapest Bidder. Thus the Shippers of the world are constantly in search of more favorable Logistical Locations.
P.S please excuse the bad spelling I was A Trucker not a Linguist :lol:

[Edited on 8-26-2012 by J.P.]