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Mexican Drug Wars - Men Who Kill the Most

Gypsy Jan - 8-9-2012 at 06:43 PM

By Miguel A. Rodríguez

For pictures, go to: http://gawker.com/mexican-drug-blood/

"Sinaloa Cartel

The origin story: Since its inception in the 1980s, the Sinaloa cartel has undoubtedly been the most prominent and fearsome criminal organization in Mexico. The cartel's current leader, Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán, is public enemy number one in both Mexico and the United States.
The main players: Sinaloa was formed by Pedro Avilés, Miguel Félix Gallardo and Héctor Luis "El Güero" Palma Salazar. Sinaloa is currently governed by Joaquín El Chapo Guzmán. Forbes has called Guzmán "the biggest druglord of all time."

Captured in Guatemala on June 9, 1993, El Chapo was extradited to Mexico and sent to the high security prison of Puente Grande, in Jalisco. With the aid of at least 78 insiders, he escaped on January 19, 2001. He subsequently recovered control of Sinaloa cartel and went on to become the most wanted and rich cartel chief in the world.
The territory: As the name indicates, the cartel originates and operates from the state of Sinaloa, in the north of Mexico. As well as Sinaloa, El Chapo Guzmán's organization also controls the states of Colima, Coahuila, Chihuahua, Durando, Guerrero, Jalisco, Michoacán, Nayarit, San Luis Potosí, Tabasco, Sonora, Veracruz and Zacatecas.
The allies: The allies of the Sinaloa cartel are members of its old arch enemy, the Golfo cartel, the Familia Michoacana, and the recently created group, Los Caballeros Templarios. They have international allies as well. In the United States they have alliances with La Mafia Mexicana, and in Colombia their partners are the Cali and Medellín cartels, from whom they receive the cocaine they distribute in the United States and Mexico.

The rivals: Due to the great drug demand existing in Mexico and the United States, the Sinaloa cartel has many competitors with whom it remains in a constant battle for control over the areas where illegal drugs are distributed. So far its most bitter enemy is the Los Zetas cartel, created by the fearsome Osiel Cárdenas, who was once previously the leader of the Golfo cartel, a cartel formed with the intention of killing El Chapo. However, time has gone by and things have changed and now the members of the Golfo cartel have joined the Sinaloa cartel in order to create the most powerful cartel in Mexico.

Other rivals include the Juárez, Tijuana and Los Beltrán Leyva cartels, whose members had previously been partners of the Sinaloa cartel but have now broken away and who are also fighting for turf on which to distribute drugs.

The trademarks: The Sinaloa cartel have used both light aircrafts and 747 planes, motorboats, buses, railroad containers, and small submarines, but it is the underground tunnels, constructed using the most advanced technology of the moment, that they are known for. The construction of these multi-million dollar tunnels could only be accomplished by El Chapo. He is the only person with the resources and economic power of the criminal organizations capable of building these tunnels.

Sinaloa is credited with being the first cartel to decapitate its rivals as a way of instilling fear and proving that they are the most powerful cartel in Mexico. Obviously, its opponents do not lag behind and there are increasingly more horrific events happening in Mexico everyday.

Golfo cartel

The origin story: Golfo began in the 1930s. The Golfo cartel is the oldest organization in Mexico. During Prohibition in the 30's, Golfo started trafficking alcohol into the United States. It was not until the 1970's when Juan Nepomuceno Guerra and Juan Farcía Ábrego started trafficking cocaine.

The main players: After García Ábrego was captured and extradited to the United States, Osiel Cárdenas Guillén created Los Zetas, its military arm, in order to fight against the Sinaloa cartel. Subsequently, the Los Zetas cartel became independent and fought against the same Golfo cartel to gain the control over turf in the area of the Gulf of Mexico.

Jorge Eduardo "El Coss" Costilla Sánchez has been governing the cartel since the 2010 death of Antonio Cárdenas Guillén, Osiel's brother. El Coss has 12 outstanding charges in the United States for drug trafficking.
The territory: This criminal organization mainly controls the state of Tamaulipas, Nuevo León and Veracruz.
The rivals: The Sinaloa cartel, Los Zetas, La Familia Michoacana and Los Caballeros Templarios.
The trademarks:: Apart from the drug trafficking, the Golfo cartel carries out kidnapping, extortion, money laundering and weapon trafficking.

Tijuana cartel

The territory: Also known as Los Arellano Félix, it operates mainly from Tijuana and was governed for many years by Ramón Arellano Félix, to whom more than a thousand deaths are attributed to and who was, for a long time, one of the most wanted criminals by the FBI.
The rivals: The Tijuana cartel fights against the Sinaloa cartel for control over turf in the north of the country, and for this reason it established an alliance with the Golfo cartel.

The main players: After the capture and death of the Arellano Félix brothers, and the recent arrest of their nephew Luis Fernando Sánchez Arellano "El Ingeniero", their sister Enedida now allegedly controls the cartel. If this is the case, she is the only woman recognized as a chief.

The trademarks: Among the most notable criminal offenses of Tijuana cartel is the death of the cardinal Juan Jesús Pozadas Ocampo in 1993 who, in Guadalajara airport, Jalisco, was mistaken for El Chapo Guzmán, the intended target on that occasion.
In 1997, the journalist Jesús Blancornelas, editor of the weekly magazine Zeta, was attacked by the Tijuana cartel after he made repeated accusations against them in his magazine. Despite The the four AK-47 chest wounds he received, he managed to survive.

Juárez cartel

The origin story: The Juárez cartel was founded in the 1970s.
The main players: Juárez was formed by Rafael Aguilar Guajardo and handed over to Amado Carrillo Fuentes "El Señor de los Cielos" in 1993, whose nickname stands for the fact that he transported drugs into the United States in small light aircrafts. After the death of Amado during a plastic surgery procedure in Mexico City in 1997, his brother Vicente Carrillo (left) became the leader of the organization which is said to have lost power due to the empire created by its arch enemy El Chapo Guzmán, despite previously being his allies in the north of the country.

The territory: Together, Rafael Aguilar Guajardo and Amado Carrillo created the "Golden Triangle," which controls Chihuahua, Durango and Sinaloa. From these areas they send mainly cocaine to the United States securing a profit of millions of dollars.
The rivals: The Juárez cartel has allies in some shock troops known as La Línea and Los Aztecas. Juárez uses them to fight against its rivals from Sinaloa and Tijuana.

The trademarks: Its main way of operating is to bribe all levels of police officers, including federal, state and municipal officers, in order to obtain information on the operations against them and to release drugs seized in such operations."

Cisco - 8-9-2012 at 10:11 PM

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Originally posted by Gypsy Jan
By Miguel A. Rodríguez

For pictures, go to: http://gawker.com/mexican-drug-blood/

"Sinaloa Cartel

The origin story: Since its inception in the 1980s, the Sinaloa cartel has undoubtedly been the most prominent and fearsome criminal organization in Mexico. The cartel's current leader, Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán, is public enemy number one in both Mexico and the United States.
The main players: Sinaloa was formed by Pedro Avilés, Miguel Félix Gallardo and Héctor Luis "El Güero" Palma Salazar. Sinaloa is currently governed by Joaquín El Chapo Guzmán. Forbes has called Guzmán "the biggest druglord of all time."

Captured in Guatemala on June 9, 1993, El Chapo was extradited to Mexico and sent to the high security prison of Puente Grande, in Jalisco. With the aid of at least 78 insiders, he escaped on January 19, 2001. He subsequently recovered control of Sinaloa cartel and went on to become the most wanted and rich cartel chief in the world.
The territory: As the name indicates, the cartel originates and operates from the state of Sinaloa, in the north of Mexico. As well as Sinaloa, El Chapo Guzmán's organization also controls the states of Colima, Coahuila, Chihuahua, Durando, Guerrero, Jalisco, Michoacán, Nayarit, San Luis Potosí, Tabasco, Sonora, Veracruz and Zacatecas.
The allies: The allies of the Sinaloa cartel are members of its old arch enemy, the Golfo cartel, the Familia Michoacana, and the recently created group, Los Caballeros Templarios. They have international allies as well. In the United States they have alliances with La Mafia Mexicana, and in Colombia their partners are the Cali and Medellín cartels, from whom they receive the cocaine they distribute in the United States and Mexico.

The rivals: Due to the great drug demand existing in Mexico and the United States, the Sinaloa cartel has many competitors with whom it remains in a constant battle for control over the areas where illegal drugs are distributed. So far its most bitter enemy is the Los Zetas cartel, created by the fearsome Osiel Cárdenas, who was once previously the leader of the Golfo cartel, a cartel formed with the intention of killing El Chapo. However, time has gone by and things have changed and now the members of the Golfo cartel have joined the Sinaloa cartel in order to create the most powerful cartel in Mexico.

Other rivals include the Juárez, Tijuana and Los Beltrán Leyva cartels, whose members had previously been partners of the Sinaloa cartel but have now broken away and who are also fighting for turf on which to distribute drugs.

The trademarks: The Sinaloa cartel have used both light aircrafts and 747 planes, motorboats, buses, railroad containers, and small submarines, but it is the underground tunnels, constructed using the most advanced technology of the moment, that they are known for. The construction of these multi-million dollar tunnels could only be accomplished by El Chapo. He is the only person with the resources and economic power of the criminal organizations capable of building these tunnels.

Sinaloa is credited with being the first cartel to decapitate its rivals as a way of instilling fear and proving that they are the most powerful cartel in Mexico. Obviously, its opponents do not lag behind and there are increasingly more horrific events happening in Mexico everyday.

Golfo cartel

The origin story: Golfo began in the 1930s. The Golfo cartel is the oldest organization in Mexico. During Prohibition in the 30's, Golfo started trafficking alcohol into the United States. It was not until the 1970's when Juan Nepomuceno Guerra and Juan Farcía Ábrego started trafficking cocaine.

The main players: After García Ábrego was captured and extradited to the United States, Osiel Cárdenas Guillén created Los Zetas, its military arm, in order to fight against the Sinaloa cartel. Subsequently, the Los Zetas cartel became independent and fought against the same Golfo cartel to gain the control over turf in the area of the Gulf of Mexico.

Jorge Eduardo "El Coss" Costilla Sánchez has been governing the cartel since the 2010 death of Antonio Cárdenas Guillén, Osiel's brother. El Coss has 12 outstanding charges in the United States for drug trafficking.
The territory: This criminal organization mainly controls the state of Tamaulipas, Nuevo León and Veracruz.
The rivals: The Sinaloa cartel, Los Zetas, La Familia Michoacana and Los Caballeros Templarios.
The trademarks:: Apart from the drug trafficking, the Golfo cartel carries out kidnapping, extortion, money laundering and weapon trafficking.

Tijuana cartel

The territory: Also known as Los Arellano Félix, it operates mainly from Tijuana and was governed for many years by Ramón Arellano Félix, to whom more than a thousand deaths are attributed to and who was, for a long time, one of the most wanted criminals by the FBI.
The rivals: The Tijuana cartel fights against the Sinaloa cartel for control over turf in the north of the country, and for this reason it established an alliance with the Golfo cartel.

The main players: After the capture and death of the Arellano Félix brothers, and the recent arrest of their nephew Luis Fernando Sánchez Arellano "El Ingeniero", their sister Enedida now allegedly controls the cartel. If this is the case, she is the only woman recognized as a chief.

The trademarks: Among the most notable criminal offenses of Tijuana cartel is the death of the cardinal Juan Jesús Pozadas Ocampo in 1993 who, in Guadalajara airport, Jalisco, was mistaken for El Chapo Guzmán, the intended target on that occasion.
In 1997, the journalist Jesús Blancornelas, editor of the weekly magazine Zeta, was attacked by the Tijuana cartel after he made repeated accusations against them in his magazine. Despite The the four AK-47 chest wounds he received, he managed to survive.

Juárez cartel

The origin story: The Juárez cartel was founded in the 1970s.
The main players: Juárez was formed by Rafael Aguilar Guajardo and handed over to Amado Carrillo Fuentes "El Señor de los Cielos" in 1993, whose nickname stands for the fact that he transported drugs into the United States in small light aircrafts. After the death of Amado during a plastic surgery procedure in Mexico City in 1997, his brother Vicente Carrillo (left) became the leader of the organization which is said to have lost power due to the empire created by its arch enemy El Chapo Guzmán, despite previously being his allies in the north of the country.

The territory: Together, Rafael Aguilar Guajardo and Amado Carrillo created the "Golden Triangle," which controls Chihuahua, Durango and Sinaloa. From these areas they send mainly cocaine to the United States securing a profit of millions of dollars.
The rivals: The Juárez cartel has allies in some shock troops known as La Línea and Los Aztecas. Juárez uses them to fight against its rivals from Sinaloa and Tijuana.

The trademarks: Its main way of operating is to bribe all levels of police officers, including federal, state and municipal officers, in order to obtain information on the operations against them and to release drugs seized in such operations."

We are well aware of the Mexican cartel members but not those in America. Who controls the product after it enters the U.S.A?

Hillary Clinton made the statement that there would be no legalization as there was "too much money involved". Money that the U.S. is making in privatization of the worlds largest criminal incarceration facilities, money laundering services...

It will continue in the U.S. particularly as one Mexican politician pointed out that the drugs go north due to the Americans "insatiable" noses, but who is controlling the product and distribution here in America???

Thank you Gypsy Jan for yet another informative article.

mtgoat666 - 8-9-2012 at 10:16 PM

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Originally posted by Cisco
We are well aware of the Mexican cartel members but not those in America. Who controls the product after it enters the U.S.A?

...the drugs go north due to the Americans "insatiable" noses, but who is controlling the product and distribution here in America??

it's a free market economy, no one controls market, prices rise/fall with demand.

wessongroup - 8-9-2012 at 10:29 PM

Depends on who's "turf" your on usually ... just saying

CortezBlue - 8-10-2012 at 07:15 AM

I think a bunch of the pot goes to "sweet home Obama" Unlike Slick Willy, he must inhale. :rolleyes:

control of drugs in the us

captkw - 8-10-2012 at 07:30 AM

Iits right in front of us!!! who/what is in the postion to control the drugs once in the usa ?? its not billy bob....wake up folks...its the same as 3 steell buildings come down on one day and not 1 plane scrambled to intercept !!! DUH !! when I was running boats in coasta rica and taking surfers up to ollies point (nic.) I got to now the local boys.and after a while..then one day they me show pics of them loading a us marine plane with bricks of coke !! who is going to stop and inspect that plane ?? everthing is not always as it appears....

Pescador - 8-10-2012 at 08:02 AM

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A high-ranking Mexican drug cartel operative currently in U.S. custody is making startling allegations that the failed federal gun-walking operation known as “Fast and Furious” isn’t what you think it is.

It wasn’t about tracking guns, it was about supplying them — all part of an elaborate agreement between the U.S. government and Mexico’s powerful Sinaloa Cartel to take down rival cartels.

The explosive allegations are being made by Jesus Vicente Zambada-Niebla, known as the Sinaloa Cartel’s “logistics coordinator.” He was extradited to the Chicago last year to face federal drug charges.

Jesus Vincente Zambada-Niebla (Source: MSNBC)

Zambada-Niebla claims that under a “divide and conquer” strategy, the U.S. helped finance and arm the Sinaloa Cartel through Operation Fast and Furious in exchange for information that allowed the DEA, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and other federal agencies to take down rival drug cartels. The Sinaloa Cartel was allegedly permitted to traffic massive amounts of drugs across the U.S. border from 2004 to 2009 — during both Fast and Furious and Bush-era gunrunning operations — as long as the intel kept coming.

This pending court case against Zambada-Niebla is being closely monitored by some members of Congress, who expect potential legal ramifications if any of his claims are substantiated. The trial was delayed but is now scheduled to begin on Oct. 9.

Zambada-Niebla is reportedly a close associate of Sinaloa Cartel kingpin Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman and the son of Ismael “Mayo” Zambada-Garcia, both of which remain fugitives, likely because of the deal made with the DEA, federal court documents allege.

Based on the alleged agreement ”the Sinaloa Cartel under the leadership of defendant’s father, Ismael Zambada-Niebla and ‘Chapo’ Guzman, were given carte blanche to continue to smuggle tons of illicit drugs into Chicago and the rest of the United States and were also protected by the United States government from arrest and prosecution in return for providing information against rival cartels which helped Mexican and United States authorities capture or kill thousands of rival cartel members,” states a motion for discovery filed in U.S. District Court by Zambada-Niebla’s attorney in July 2011.

A source in Congress, who spoke to TheBlaze on the condition of anonymity, said that some top congressional investigators have been keeping “one eye on the case.” Another two members of Congress, both lead Fast and Furious Congressional investigators, told TheBlaze they had never even heard of the case.

One of the Congressmen, who also spoke to TheBlaze on the condition of anonymity because criminal proceedings are still ongoing, called the allegations “disturbing.” He said Congress will likely get involved once Zambada-Niebla’s trial has concluded if any compelling information surfaces.

“Congress won’t get involved in really any criminal case until the trial is over and the smoke has cleared,” he added. “If the allegations prove to hold any truth, there will be some serious legal ramifications.”

Earlier this month, two men in Texas were sentenced to 70 and 80 months in prison after pleading guilty to attempting to export 147 assault rifles and thousands of rounds of ammunition to Mexico’s Los Zetas cartel. Compare that to the roughly 2,000 firearms reportedly “walked” in Fast and Furious, which were used in the murders of hundreds of Mexican citizens and U.S. Border Agent Brian Terry, and some U.S. officials could potentially face jail time if they knowingly armed the Sinaloa Cartel and allowed guns to cross into Mexico.

If proven in court, such an agreement between U.S. law enforcement agencies and a Mexican cartel could potentially mar both the Bush and Obama administrations. The federal government is denying all of Zambada-Niebla’s allegations and contend that no official immunity deal was agreed upon.

To be sure, Zambada-Niebla is a member of one of the most ruthless drug gangs in all of Mexico, so there is a chance that he is saying whatever it takes to reduce his sentence, which will likely be hefty. However, Congress and the media have a duty to prove without a reasonable doubt that there is no truth in his allegations. So far, that has not been achieved.

Zambada-Niebla was reportedly responsible for coordinating all of the Sinaloa Cartel’s multi-ton drug shipments from Central and South American countries, through Mexico, and into the United States. To accomplish this, he used every tool at his disposal: Boeing 747 cargo planes, narco-submarines, container ships, speed boats, fishing vessels, buses, rail cars, tractor trailers and automobiles. But Guzman and Zambada-Niebla’s overwhelming success within the Sinaloa Cartel was largely due to the arrests and dismantling of many of their competitors and their booming businesses in the U.S. from 2004 to 2009 — around the same time ATF’s gun-walking operations were in full swing. Fast and Furious reportedly began in 2009 and continued into early 2011.

According Zambada-Niebla, that was a product of the collusion between the U.S. government and the Sinaloa Cartel.

Soldiers and police officers guard packages of seized marijuana during a presentation for the media in Tijuana, Mexico. (AP Photo/Guillermo Arias)

The claims seem to fall in line with statements made last month by Guillermo Terrazas Villanueva, a spokesman for the Chihuahua state government in northern Mexico who said U.S. agencies ”don’t fight drug traffickers,“ instead ”they try to manage the drug trade.”

Also, U.S. officials have previously acknowledged working with the Sinaloa Cartel through another informant, Humberto Loya-Castro. He is also allegedly a high-ranking member of the Sinaloa Cartel as well as a close confidant and lawyer of “El Chapo” Guzman.

Joaquin Guzman Loera, aka "El Chapo" (STR/AFP/Getty Images)

Loya-Castro was indicted along with Chapo and Mayo in 1995 in the Southern District of California in a massive narcotics trafficking conspiracy (Case no. 95CR0973). The case was dismissed in 2008 at the request of prosecutors after Loya became an informant for the United States government and subsequently provided information for years.

In 2005, “the CS (informant Loya-Castro) signed a cooperation agreement with the United States Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of California,” states an affidavit filed in the Zambada-Niebla case by Loya-Castro’s handler, DEA agent Manuel Castanon.

“Thereafter, I began to work with the CS. Over the years, the CS’ cooperation resulted in the seizure of several significant loads of narcotics and precursor chemicals. The CS’ cooperation also resulted in other real-time intelligence that was very useful to the United States government.”

Under the alleged agreement with U.S. agencies, “the Sinaloa Cartel, through Loya-Castro, was to provide information accumulated by Mayo, Chapo, and others, against rival Mexican Drug Trafficking Organizations to the United States government,” a motion for discovery states.

In return, the United States government allegedly agreed to dismiss the charges in the pending case against Loya-Castro (which they did), not to interfere with his drug trafficking activities and those of the Sinaloa Cartel and not actively prosecute him or the Sinaloa Cartel leadership.

Taken directly from the motion filed in federal court:

“This strategy, which he calls ‘Divide & Conquer,’ using one drug organization to help against others, is exactly what the Justice Department and its various agencies have implemented in Mexico. In this case, they entered into an agreement with the leadership of the Sinaloa Cartel through, among others, Humberto Loya-Castro, to receive their help in the United States government’s efforts to destroy other cartels.”

“Indeed, United States government agents aided the leaders of the Sinaloa Cartel.”

The government has denied this and says the deal did not go past Loya-Castro.

Zambada-Niebla was arrested by Mexican soldiers in late March of 2009 after he met with DEA agents at a Mexico City hotel in a meeting arranged by Loya-Castro, though the U.S. government was not involved in his arrest. He was extradited to Chicago to face federal drug charges on Feb. 18, 2010. He is now being held in a Michigan prison after requesting to be moved from Chicago.

“Classified Materials”

During his initial court proceedings, Zambada-Niebla continually stated that he was granted full immunity by the DEA in exchange for his cooperation. The agency, however, argues that an “official” immunity deal was never established though they admit he may have acted as an informant.

Zambada-Niebla and his legal council also requested records about Operation Fast and Furious, which permitted weapons purchased in the United States to be illegally smuggled into Mexico, sometimes by paid U.S. informants and cartel leaders. Their request was denied. From the defense motion:

“It is estimated that approximately 3,000 people were killed in Mexico as a result of ‘Operation Fast and Furious,’ including law enforcement officers in the state of Sinaloa, Mexico, the headquarters of the Sinaloa cartel. The Department of Justice’s leadership apparently saw this as an ingenious way of combating drug cartel activities.”

“It has recently been disclosed that in addition to the above-referenced problems with ‘Operation Fast & Furious,’ the DOJ, DEA, and the FBI knew that some of the people who were receiving the weapons that were being allowed to be transported to Mexico, were in fact informants working for those organizations and included some of the leaders of the cartels.”

Zambada’s attorney has filed several motions for discovery to that effect in Illinois Federal District Court, which were summarily denied by the presiding judge who claimed the defendant failed to make the case that he was actually a DEA informant.

In April, 2012, a federal judge refused to dismiss charges against him.

From a Chicago Sun Times report: “According to the government, [Zambada-Niebla] conveyed his interest and willingness to cooperate with the U.S. government, but the DEA agents told him they ‘were not authorized to meet with him, much less have substantive discussions with him,’” the judge wrote.

In this courtroom artist's drawing Jesus Vincente Zambada-Niebla appears before U.S. District Judge Ruben Castillo Tuesday, Feb. 23, 2010, in Chicago. (AP Photo/Verna Sadock)

In their official response to Zambada-Niebla’s motion for discovery, the federal government confirmed the existence of “classified materials” regarding the case but argued they “do not support the defendant’s claim that he was promised immunity or public authority for his actions.”

Experts have expressed doubts that Zambada-Niebla had an official agreement with the U.S. government, however, agree Loya Castro probably did. Either way, the defense still wants to obtain DEA reports that detail the agency’s relationship with the Sinaloa Cartel and put the agents on the stand, under oath to testify.

The documents that detail the relationship between the federal government and the Sinaloa Cartel have still not been released or subjected to review — citing matters of national security.

(Editor’s note: The impetus for this article came from author Reed A. Williams, whose upcoming book “The Weed That Just Won’t Die” delves deeply into the Zambada-Niebla court case. Get more details on the book here.)

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paul r - 8-10-2012 at 09:13 AM

oh boy! at times I feel sooo lonely... am I the only one of a small group that "see the light"... it's NOT a "mexican drug war", it's an "AMERICAN drug war", americans have a drug habit that is truely happy and growing... we need all the help the "cartels" can give us!?,... (read), yes the mexican "cartels", the tv "cartels", the newspapaer "cartels", drug company "cartels", oops, now I'm giving cartels a bad name!?... (go to your room!), the mexican people are so good, so family loving, so hard working, so fun, they continue to (with a genuine, honest attitude), supply us "americans" (remember the romans?!) with, (a short list), farm labor, restaurant labor, construction labor, artists, hotel maint. labor, landscape maint., truck drivers, hospital help, tequila, on and on and on and on and on... and yes, DOPE... we should be appriecative and hand out raises!!!... dope is commerce and nothing else... does supply and demand ring a bell!?... is it "tragic", well, not really when your "running" a multi-billion dollar business,... ( mine is only multi-million!!), (loooser!), hey bullets and guns,... cheap!!!... the folks on this "baja" "chatroom" I hope, at least, get a liitle of my "drift",... the mexicans are beautiful people and their country should/could serve as a faint model for us americans... ok, back to consumsion and whinning!?... I've worn myself out here!!!... phew!!... time to roll up one of those mexican "delivered" doobbies and watch tv...

yep!! lets dump guns in mex & track them!!

captkw - 8-10-2012 at 11:58 AM

what a BAD,BAD joke!! if you belive that want to buy a cheap hotel in cabo???? K & T :lol:

Cisco - 8-10-2012 at 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by captkw
what a BAD,BAD joke!! if you belive that want to buy a cheap hotel in cabo???? K & T :lol:

Great, informative responses. Particularly your history on this Bill.

I'm thinking at my small, uninformed, (never see any of this on the new's, it's always the bad Mexicans corrupting our youth) level that this is sort of like Oliver North bringing in 50 to 60% of the Cocaine used in the U.S. for at least a two year period during Reagen's second term. His patriotic attempt to counter the laws in place for drugs for guns at that time, only on the backs of the Nicaraguans then.

I remember seeing (and I would think they are still available) the congressional hearings led by the one-armed fellow from Hawaii who would refuse, red in the face, waving his good arm, to allow in depth questions about how Oliver North was able to fly planes in to U.S. bases loaded with illegal drugs or guns without question.

He kept saying it would be discussed in private chambers, in other words, out of sight of the American public. And nothing really happened to Oliver North except he has a great deal of very secured property in Northern Virginia and a bunch of bodyguards. I hope he is perpetually paranoid, I know people who would like to kill him.

All the same deal today I guess. This is a large and important part of our economy it seems, but the only part that drifts down to the masses are the addictions.

Cypress - 8-10-2012 at 12:49 PM

All those drugs transported into the US are being bought by the highest bidder. Supply and demand. Someone demands and someone supplies. No biggee.

Cisco - 8-10-2012 at 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
All those drugs transported into the US are being bought by the highest bidder. Supply and demand. Someone demands and someone supplies. No biggee.

I understand. But we seem to know who those highest bidders (sellers) are on the other side of the fence. Know their names, know all about them.

Who is it that is the highest bidder in our side of the fence? Who finances $200 million
for a load of liquid meth, cocaine or heroin??? To then break down to lower level distributors.

Who are the names on our side???

Cisco - 8-10-2012 at 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
All those drugs transported into the US are being bought by the highest bidder. Supply and demand. Someone demands and someone supplies. No biggee.

WHO are OUR cartels Cypress???

castaway$ - 8-10-2012 at 01:23 PM

The cartels reach doesn't stop at the border, they have distribution channels all through the USA. There are plenty of known Americans that control the drug trade also but they aren't typically in large scale publicized wars with each other cutting of peoples heads and hanging them from bridges so its not interesting enough to make the 5 o'clock news.

Cypress - 8-10-2012 at 01:27 PM

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Originally posted by Cisco
WHO are OUR cartels Cypress???

Good question. Very good question!

castaway$ - 8-10-2012 at 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress

Quote:

Originally posted by Cisco
WHO are OUR cartels Cypress???

Good question. Very good question!

The Crips, Bloods, Hells Angels, Mafia etc.....

Cypress - 8-10-2012 at 01:48 PM

castaway$, Yep!

CISCO & ALL

captkw - 8-10-2012 at 01:52 PM

YOUR CORRECT !! I have seen many shots/vids on that myself !! talk about corruption !! and I tryed hard to buy those pics from the guy in NIC. but he would not under any chance..as I understood at the time he was keeping them as protection !! that was very near "ollies point"...OK..if you folks never hear from me again,,well you know !!! Ive been silenced !! K&T :cool:

Cisco - 8-10-2012 at 02:04 PM

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WHO are OUR cartels Cypress???

Good question. Very good question!

The Crips, Bloods, Hells Angels, Mafia etc.....

HA's may be part of the distribution system but they are in no way able to fund a large scale buy that is cartel sized. Knowing San Diego and San Jose HA's they are consumers, not dealers on any large scale and they are constantly being infiltrated and hassled. They are not part of the big game.

The others mentioned I don't know, mafia sounds good, the money's there.

I went through some notes which I just copied and posted below, may be some food for thought:

To understand the drug war, accept that it's impossible to keep track of all its players. Accept that there are no white hats or black hats. There's only grey. Fog.

Feeding addiction has long been a part of Mexico's relationship with the United States, first becoming a well-oiled operation during Prohibition when Americans crossed over to drink and get high and Mexicans sent marijuana and alcohol to speakeasies in the States.

South of the border it costs $2,000 to produce a kilo of cocaine from leaf to lab, the DEA said. In the U.S., a kilo's street value ranges from $34,000 to $120,000, depending on the ZIP code where it's pushed.

"How much is enough to the cartels? How many billions justify how many deaths to them?"... "Mexico is their home, too. Their families live there. At what point does the violence cripple their ability to conduct business?"

Something like $39 billion so far, who knows?

Get Shorty:

From foot to head he is short/But he is the biggest of the big.  If you respect him, he'll respect you . If you offend him, it will get worse -- Lyrics to narcocorrido "El Chapo" by Los Canelos de Durango

The legend of "El Chapo" began to grow when he escaped, reportedly on a laundry cart, from a Mexican prison in 2001. He seemed even more untouchable last summer when his 20-something beauty queen wife (who has dual nationality) crossed into California to give birth to twins. The birth certificates leave blank the space for the father's name, and she apparently hustled back across the border.

It's anyone's guess where El Chapo is. Mexican President Felipe Calderon wondered last year if he was hiding out in the United States.

Some say it's no coincidence that the first beheadings of Mexican police officers occurred in 2006, when videotapes of al Qaeda beheadings were shown on Mexican television.

The good old bad days.

Desde que yo era chiquillo tenia fintas de cabron (Ever since I was a kid, I had the fame of a bad-ass) ya le pegaba al perico, y a la mota (already hitting the parrot [cocaine] and doing dope [marijuana])

-- El Cabron, a legendary narcocorrido, or narco ballad, released in 2005.