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San Pedro Martir

Ateo - 8-23-2012 at 09:24 PM

Thinking about taking the family here in the next 2 months....

I've been monitoring posts lately regarding this area including the new museum and general hiking/camping.

Planning on camping -- but figured I'd ask. Bring my own wood for campfires (or are they prohibited?)

What should I see?

Gracias.

Ateo

[Edited on 8-24-2012 by Ateo]

Bajaboy - 8-23-2012 at 09:30 PM

checkout fellow Nomad: http://bajadarkskies.com/

Ateo - 8-23-2012 at 09:32 PM

Thanks Bajaboy,
Looks good. Will do. Thanks. Keep them coming...........


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Originally posted by Bajaboy
checkout fellow Nomad: http://bajadarkskies.com/

Graham - 8-23-2012 at 09:50 PM

No need to bring your own wood to burn... in fact I think there's a rule against bringing any into the park... there are tons of branches and logs for the picking around all the camp sites and nice deep fire pits. Camp fires are only allowed in the camping areas. All kinds of artificial fire starters etc are banned.

For a great view less than 2 miles from the camping area hike to the Torre de Piedra. Also visit the observatory of course and the museum if they're open, and for a spectacular view of Picacho Diable and Canyon Diablo take the steep hike to Mirador al Altar.

You'll be given a park brochure on arrival showing the location of all these places.

Or just drive around and enjoy the deer and coyotes and the peace and quiet. September is a wonderful time to visit as it's generally not too cold yet but the aspens are turning autumnal red and yellow and look so photogenic.

By the end of October you could have freezing nights and even snow!

Graham - 8-23-2012 at 10:24 PM

One of my favorite activities... enjoying a cold beer by a warming fire with unbeatable stargazing.



Probably took me about ten minutes to gather enough pine logs to have a fire for several nights.

graham

captkw - 8-24-2012 at 05:10 AM

HOLA, BY GOD THAT'S A REAL PICANIC TABLE NEXT TO YA !!! WOW,,NEVER SEEN ONE IN BAJA!! YET !! K&T:cool:

Ateo - 8-24-2012 at 09:38 AM

Thanks Graham......I've made up my mind.....gotta do this trip.

Nice to know I don't need to pack any wood. That leaves more room for jackets and beanies -- something I usually don't need much in Baja.

Can't wait to see a pine tree in Baja.

[Edited on 8-24-2012 by Ateo]

astrobaja - 8-24-2012 at 11:01 AM

Ateo: might keep in mind the dates for meteor showers, the Orionids and Leonids. Heres some dates:

http://stardate.org/nightsky/meteors

The milky way here is spectacular so bring some binocs, if you decide to come and visit us I can lend you some dandy 20X90's.

Speaking of fire wood I'm off to cut some of my own for this winter!

Ateo - 8-24-2012 at 11:24 AM

Astrobaja, great suggestion about coinciding with a metor shower. I checked my dates available and its not gonna happen this time. I'll definitely stop by and say hi! I'll U2U you.....

I do have some beat up binoculars......I'll bring them!

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Originally posted by astrobaja
Ateo: might keep in mind the dates for meteor showers, the Orionids and Leonids. Heres some dates:

http://stardate.org/nightsky/meteors

The milky way here is spectacular so bring some binocs, if you decide to come and visit us I can lend you some dandy 20X90's.

Speaking of fire wood I'm off to cut some of my own for this winter!

Gerald - 8-24-2012 at 06:41 PM

Astrobaja

Is that offer open to others. I want to visit the park soon.
I enjoy astronomy.....

Gerald

astrobaja - 8-24-2012 at 07:28 PM

Gerald of course just contact us via our website!!

cheers

Mike

Ken Cooke - 8-24-2012 at 08:56 PM

This park is a great place to unwind and relax. Keep in mind that you will need to have a screen tent for relaxing in during the day. Flies and biting gnats (No see-ums) can make you miserable when sitting stationary. Bring bug repellant and a nice hoodie.

Ateo - 8-25-2012 at 05:22 PM

Dude, flies? I just got back from Abreojos -- the fly capital of Baja!

Thanks for the "heads up" though.....I'll be prepared now.

Quote:
Originally posted by Ken Cooke
This park is a great place to unwind and relax. Keep in mind that you will need to have a screen tent for relaxing in during the day. Flies and biting gnats (No see-ums) can make you miserable when sitting stationary. Bring bug repellant and a nice hoodie.
:tumble::tumble:

FLYS

captkw - 8-25-2012 at 05:35 PM

BUY THE CHEAP TOKILLYA (VIVA) AND RUB ON YOU EXPOSED PARTS..WORKS RATHER GOOD ON MOST TYPES OF FLYING PESTS !! AND ON THE ONES THAT IT DOSNT,,WELL THEY ARE TOO BUZZED TO FIND YOU AGAIN...:lol::lol: K&T

[Edited on 8-26-2012 by captkw]

David K - 8-25-2012 at 05:51 PM

You could stay at Astro's, Meling's or Posada Don Diego and drive up for the day. I did that when there was no pavement, so even easier now.

Ken Cooke - 8-25-2012 at 06:59 PM

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Originally posted by David K
You could stay at Astro's, Meling's or Posada Don Diego and drive up for the day. I did that when there was no pavement, so even easier now.


Check out the Manly Man 4x4 Toyota Expedition video. Some of the drivers made an extended visit to Melings after a few mishaps behind the wheel.:lol:

Manly Man/My 4x4 TV Off-Road Show:
http://play.callisto.fm/#/podcasts/by/techierob/in/My-4x4-TV...

BajaBlanca - 8-26-2012 at 08:08 AM

sounds so inviting .... is september then a good month to visit - not too cold already ?

astrobaja - 8-26-2012 at 09:25 AM

I would'nt sweat the flies its been a very dry summer theres hardly any of them about!

Temps are starting to drop a little with daytime highs in the mid to upper 60's nighttime lows of low 50's

You can check the observatories weather station for current conditions, just click on condiciones climaticas and then weather station:

http://haro.astrossp.unam.mx/indexspm.html

Graham - 8-27-2012 at 09:05 AM

I've always enjoyed September in the San Pedro Martir, usually the storms are done, it's not too hot or cold and I really enjoy the hiking and the colors and sounds of the quaking aspens...





I've rarely been much bothered by biting bugs, usually just a few mosquitos beween sunset and dark, but as Astrobaja suggests it could be different when it's very wet. And then if there's no breeze the bobos can also drive you nuts getting in your eyes and ears and on your food.

Last few trips I've made, bees have been the biggest nuisance, going after anything with water in.

Watch the weather forecast... shortly after that picture was taken in September 2001, I was chased out of the mountains by the remains of Hurricane Juliette which swept across the peninsula and dumped perhaps six or seven inches of rain.

astrobaja - 8-27-2012 at 10:25 AM

Graham, you mean honeybees? Last year we were inundated by yellowjacket wasps, it was so bad you could not eat outside! This year I have seen one, Juan and Caty up at the condor station have observed the same thing. What a wild population cycle!

Mike

BajaGringo - 8-27-2012 at 11:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
You could stay at Astro's, Meling's or Posada Don Diego and drive up for the day. I did that when there was no pavement, so even easier now.


Mike and Pam have a wonderful guest cabin. You really should check it out...

Baja Dark Skies Inn

Graham - 8-27-2012 at 11:34 PM

Yes, Baja Dark Skies is such a special place. Thanks Mike and Pam for showing me around a couple of years back, it was fascinating!

And I'd forgotten those yellowjackets... had a few of those chasing after my lunch. But this year and on previous visits it was the honeybees that mostly buzzed around my table in search of water. Not a big nuisance, they weren't aggressive, but I felt bad if I left out a bowl of water, there would be a dozen drowned bees when I returned.

JohnMcfrog - 8-29-2012 at 09:06 AM

Thanks for bringing up the topic of the San Pedro Martir. It has brought back many memories that have not been visited in some time.

I used John Robinson's "Camping and Climbing in Baja" as sort of a bible in the 70's and 80's. There was no GPS or topos, so things were much different than now. A good source for more current information is in this report: http://www.dankat.com/swhikes/devil.htm

My first backpack in the San Pedro Martir was after many trips to the eastside canyons of the Sierra Juarez. We got kind of lost on the first day in the maze of canyons and went for a few hours without water. We got to La Gruella meadow and it was like heaven.

We followed one stream going towards the west and found it filled with small trout that have adapted to this area by becoming miniature. The species is Nelsoni and they were so numerous that we tried to catch them by hand. I have since fly fished for them at Mike's Sky Ranch and they are good fighters. That spring the grass was at a uniform height throughout the forest and it looked like a giant city park that someone had mowed.

I kind of got the bug to climb Picacho del Diablo about 25 years ago after the above backpack. I joined two other people and hired a guide who had been the head of San Diego's search and rescue team. We went in from the west, stopping for a great meal at Meling Ranch.

Without GPS even the guide got lost once. Going with him was special in that he would point out where this or that climber was buried (with the family's permission) because they had made some serious error in judgement. I was hoping that we wouldn't make some similar misstep. It took four days for us to make the peak and back.

I will always remember the feeling of remoteness and wilderness in the San Pedro Martir. Without the current technology of sat phones etc. my time there was an adventure in retrospect but rather frightening at moments along the way. Of course, the epic approach of Norman Clyde from Yuma to the east side of Diablo and then to the peak is hard to even imagine.

I didn't see any snakes on the climb but two weeks after our trip a Sierra Club fellow was bitten by a snake which reportedly had one and a half inches between the fangs. This has been a big year for snakes in San Diego, so definitely be aware while hiking there. Reasonable caution should keep everyone safe.

Have a great trip and thanks again for tickling those old memories.

View from the Peak looking toward the Gulf


Looking toward the South


Wall Street


[Edited on 8-29-2012 by JohnMcfrog]

Ateo - 8-29-2012 at 05:35 PM

Hey John,
Thanks for sharing those magnificent photos. What an accomplishment. Very cool.

J.P. - 8-30-2012 at 10:56 AM

The last time we were up there poking around the Observatory was closed but the guy there took us up to the platform around the outside and let us take pictures, WOW what a View.:wow::wow:

If one gets up early its a very nice Day trip fron Ensenada.

David K - 8-30-2012 at 12:00 PM

Love the photos... very few Baja Nomads have climbed to the top of Diablo, others have tried. Thank you John and welcome to Nomad!

BajaBlanca - 8-30-2012 at 02:35 PM

very incredible photos of the top .... as close as this little lady will ever get to seeing it ....