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Building permit for palapa

tortuga - 9-7-2012 at 08:18 AM

Any one know do we need to pull a building permit for palapa in Los Barriles. We are in the municipality of La Paz. It is 9 x 5 meters. W/ Conrete columns.
Thanks in advance, Tortuga

[Edited on 9-7-2012 by tortuga]

Katiejay99 - 9-7-2012 at 09:31 AM

Not sure about there, but here in Todos Santos you only need a building permit if it is going to made out of cement block.

Osprey - 9-7-2012 at 09:58 AM

Rule #1 "It's easier to get forgiveness than permission". If you build it poco a poco, the permit guy may not notice. If you get caught, tell him Osprey told you he believed no permit was necessary.

tortuga - 9-7-2012 at 10:09 AM

Very reassuring Mr. Osprey :lol:

Thanks for reply, Tortuga

DENNIS - 9-7-2012 at 11:21 AM

Here in sunny Punta Banda, most land is leased..or rented. Add that we are considered rural, so permits don't apply here.
Don't know if your situation in Barriles has any similarities, but .....perhaps.

This may help you get a answer............

mcfez - 9-7-2012 at 12:26 PM

http://www.bajainsider.com/baja-real-estate/construction/bui...

Jorge Luis Ayala Benoit
Ingeniero-Civil- Engineer
20 de Noviembre S/N
Los Barriles, B.C.S.Mexico
email: jorjon@prodigy.net.mx

Quote:

Originally posted by tortuga
Any one know do we need to pull a building permit for palapa in Los Barriles. We are in the municipality of La Paz. It is 9 x 5 meters. W/ Conrete columns.
Thanks in advance, Tortuga

[Edited on 9-7-2012 by tortuga]

[Edited on 9-7-2012 by mcfez]

tortuga - 9-7-2012 at 02:41 PM

Thanks McFez,
According to Jorge (article) we need a permit. I would rather not break any rules. It is cool that I can do my own projects according to the article.
Saludos, Tortuga

[Edited on 9-7-2012 by tortuga]

[Edited on 9-7-2012 by tortuga]

UnoMas - 9-7-2012 at 09:16 PM

Why not stop in and talk to Jorge, he can be a wealth of info and if he say's you need a permit you can count on it as in the past if not present has been in the enforcement of permits in Los Barriles. Some may think that by building with out one saves them some money but will be an issue when time comes to sell! Better safe with your investment to do it right...JMO

capt. mike - 9-8-2012 at 10:04 AM

no different than any place else - incl USA.
permits are ALL about collecting fees to pay salaries and expand guvmint services.
most mex architects have engineering certs too as part of training and they do the inspections and attest - and can apply for the permits based on their working drawings.

i would speak to an architect 1st.

CortezBlue - 9-9-2012 at 09:55 AM

Please, above all things, please make sure that you follow the UBC. Here is the states it is called the Universal Building Code, I think in Mexico it is stands for Unknown Building Code :tumble:

CortezBlue - 9-9-2012 at 10:00 AM

I didn't notice how big this Palapa is going to be, but when I built 2 palapas at my house in San Felipe, I didn't even think about a permit.

My large one, is 20' across and about 14' high. It is on 3 posts and sports a ceiling fan, margarita glass lights and of course outdoor stereo speakers. It is on a GFCI and I used conduit to run all of my electrical, following the UBC.

So far no issues from anyone, other than, nice palapa

capt. mike - 9-10-2012 at 10:13 AM

UBC has been replaced with IBC and the ICBO.

don't know if Mexico has adopted it but since they have big cities and complicated bldgs my guess they signed under int'l convention.

the world is becoming standardized.

oladulce - 9-11-2012 at 07:26 AM

Did you know your property taxes will drop if you claim any construction on your property? At least that's the case with land zoned as "rustico" outside of city limits. And the savings isn't piddly - like from $300 dollars to only $60 per year (depending on your specifics of course). The tax rate for barren land is higher than land with improvements- at least that's the case in the municipio of Comondú and I'd imagine La Paz is the same?

I'd suggest:

Get a building permit
Build your palapa
Contact your catastro office to Manifest your construction
Catastro will reassess your property including your construction.

Make sure your tell catastro specifically how much you have invested in your construction because some offices will lowball the reassessment. Get credit for whatever you invest in your property so you can claim your improvements against your capital gains taxes at sale time.

One important item that I'm not sure of: I don't recall if Obras Publicas (building dept) asks directly about your worker's social security and infonavit payments when you apply for a building permit or if the depts share information. If you don't plan to register your palapa builders and pay their social security during construction, I'd definitely find out more about this before you dive in.

mcfez - 9-11-2012 at 08:07 AM

It's my understanding.....that the reason why sooooooo many homes and business in Mexico.........have rebar exposed as though more future construction is coming.........is because of what you said below :-)

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Originally posted by oladulce
Did you know your property taxes will drop if you claim any construction on your property? At least that's the case with land zoned as "rustico" outside of city limits. And the savings isn't piddly - like from $300 dollars to only $60 per year (depending on your specifics of course). The tax rate for barren land is higher than land with improvements- at least that's the case in the municipio of Comondú and I'd imagine La Paz is the same?

I'd suggest:

Get a building permit
Build your palapa
Contact your catastro office to Manifest your construction
Catastro will reassess your property including your construction.

Thanks to all

tortuga - 9-11-2012 at 02:52 PM

Thanks for your input all. As i type we are filing paper work for permit. We needed paid water bill and paid property tax bill. Had to sign permit app. and send back (we are in states)
An architect is helping us with the filing of papers. Our palapa is 9 x 5 m2. It is covering our travel trailer on our lot.
As far as the workers social security etc. I did notice on app that they want the names of workers on project. I would think they are asking for that reason. We will have to take care of this. Our friend Douglas Steere at Bahia construction will be able to help us with this.
Sorry to go on about this. I am hoping this will be useful info for someone else with this question.

Saludos, Tortuga and thanks again :biggrin:

one more thing i found out

tortuga - 9-11-2012 at 03:00 PM

Jorges e-mail address doesn't seem to be valid. Guess prodigy is no longer.

Jorge Luis Ayala Benoit
Ingeniero-Civil- Engineer
20 de Noviembre S/N
Los Barriles, B.C.S.Mexico
email: jorjon@prodigy.net.mx

shari - 9-11-2012 at 04:26 PM

around here, if it is on ejido land, you dont need a building permit...but do need one if you are in the municipality...price depends on the square footage and as of yet, they dont ask for any architect plans or workers names.

mcfez - 9-11-2012 at 05:46 PM

ALL is very useful information! Keep us posted on the project please. Make you you get photos as you go along with you project......fun to look at years later.............

Quote:

Originally posted by tortuga
Thanks for your input all. As i type we are filing paper work for permit. We needed paid water bill and paid property tax bill. Had to sign permit app. and send back (we are in states)
An architect is helping us with the filing of papers. Our palapa is 9 x 5 m2. It is covering our travel trailer on our lot.
As far as the workers social security etc. I did notice on app that they want the names of workers on project. I would think they are asking for that reason. We will have to take care of this. Our friend Douglas Steere at Bahia construction will be able to help us with this.
Sorry to go on about this. I am hoping this will be useful info for someone else with this question.

Saludos, Tortuga and thanks again :biggrin:

CortezBlue - 9-12-2012 at 08:00 AM

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Originally posted by capt. mike
UBC has been replaced with IBC and the ICBO.

don't know if Mexico has adopted it but since they have big cities and complicated bldgs my guess they signed under int'l convention.

the world is becoming standardized.

Yes, but it is harder to use Ibc, maybe incomplete building code?

capt. mike - 9-12-2012 at 10:50 AM

should talk to Eli - she owned a const co. in the area, Don Jimmy's daughter. they built many homes etc.

durrelllrobert - 9-12-2012 at 07:39 PM

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Originally posted by CortezBlue
Please, above all things, please make sure that you follow the UBC. Here is the states it is called the Universal Building Code, I think in Mexico it is stands for Unknown Building Code :tumble:

Here in Punta Banda the Morse Code applies :lol: