Where are two places in Baja you can see this? One is where this photo (by Stan K.) was taken. Feel free to answer here...
Baja California?
academicanarchist - 10-24-2004 at 07:22 AM
My guess would be in Baja California, in the Sierra San Francisco near San Ignacio. The two figures are what anthropologists would call shamanic
figures. Jesuit accounts refer to these petros, and the size of the shamanic figures together with stories told to the Jesuits by the natives gave
rise to the myth of the giants that inhabited the Peninsula.
My guess is
Keri - 10-24-2004 at 07:31 AM
The Palma Azul .surfer jim - 10-24-2004 at 08:02 AM
Wish I could have attended the Baja Cultural Festival in person, but David K's VivaBaja photo journals are the next best thing. Now if I could only
get all that food and drink delivered. bajagrouper - 10-24-2004 at 10:43 AM
Is it the museam in La Paz?elgatoloco - 10-24-2004 at 11:02 AM
11154 Colonia Aviacion BajaNomad - 10-24-2004 at 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by bajagrouper
Is it the museam in La Paz?
I don't remember a display of painted rock art at the Museum in La Paz... but
then it's been a few years since I was there.
There was (or is) a museum IN San Ignacio (on the left of the Mission if you're looking at the front of the Mission from the Zocalo) that had such a
display.
It, of course appears to be of the type from the Sierra San Francisco, and although I don't remember seeing the whale depicted in the photo (likely
taken at Palma Azul in TJ) while at Cueva Pintada, I'm guessing there has to be a nod to that location, or in the proximity.
--
Doug
SHAMANISTIC ROCK ART
LOVE2GO2BAJA - 10-24-2004 at 01:47 PM
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10/24/04
Hi David, this pictograph appears to be an artists rendition of shamanic rock art images located at several rock art sites within the Sierras de San
Francisco.
First the ?monos? and turtle motifs appear to be akin from those images found at ?Cueva de la Serpiente?. The monos are shamanistic anthropomorphic
figures aka ?sackhat? motifs represent most likely real life shamans or spirit helpers (spiritual guides in the supernatural realm).
By far the most common shamanistic trait throughout the Southwest, California and Mexico corresponds to the widespread religious complex labeled under
different names however, they are essentially the same, ?Spirit Helper Complex?, ?Guardian Spirit?, or ?Dream Helper?. The primary characteristic of
this complex was the belief that a shaman?s supernatural power was derived or intensified from spirit helpers.
?The spirit helper complex emphasizes the connection between the shaman and the supernatural realm?The pragmatic aspect of the spirit helper complex
to the community at large was that all success in life, whether public or private, was predicted on a shaman?s supernatural power (David Whitley
2000:26).?
Essentially, the ability of shamans to call upon supernatural forces, (deities, animal-helpers) bestowed them with the power to resolve personal,
public, mythological and natural obstacles.
The aquatic mammal above and to the left of the anthropomorphic figures is a turtle another (spirit helper) motif also from Cueva de la Serpiente.
The fish like motif is analogous to the shark image from La Palma area, which, incidentally are rarely depicted in rock art images found within the
Baja peninsula.
The motifs overlapping the two anthropomorphic figures, the ?borrego? and seven deer are similar to those depicted in Cueva de la Cuesta del
Palmarito.
David, of all the things I miss the most, its my mind! Its tough as you get older to remember anything! Where was the photo taken at Palma Azua
restaurant? If this truly represents a single pictograph found in the Sierras de San Francisco I would be interested as to its location. I definitely
need to get out more and spend less time at my computer.
Dennis
LOVE2GO2BAJA David K - 10-24-2004 at 03:27 PM
Isn't this great? I post a photo and it inspires this sharing of details and questions. Two history authors included!
Here is one of them, Dennis (LOVE2GO2BAJA), and I holding the banner.
David K - 10-24-2004 at 03:32 PM
Oh, sorry... yes, the photo was taken at PALMAZUL restaurant, in Tijuana (awesome food) where many of Antonio's guests went, after the Baja Cactus
Cultural Fiesta.
The cave art recreated is representive of the art found in the Sierra de San Francisco, north of San Ignacio.David K - 10-24-2004 at 03:53 PM
Here's another part of the restaurant wall...David K - 10-24-2004 at 03:58 PM
Here is one of our tables at Palmazul. Seated (clockwise from lower left): Ted's father-in-law, Fishin' Rich, jeans' mother, jeans, Marian Johns, Neal
Johns, Mexico Ted (Baja Talk Radio). Above Ted's head the couple at the small table is 'duturtle' (Joan & Dennis).
[Edited on 10-24-2004 by David K]David K - 10-24-2004 at 04:09 PM
The front of Palmazul... their logo is a palm whose trunk is the map of Baja!
