BajaNomad - Have we learned anything from the Mexican potholes?

Have we learned anything from the Mexican potholes?

EnsenadaDr - 10-15-2012 at 05:36 AM

Remember the Maneadero fiasco and the pothole repairs? For years and years the Mexican government went on trying to fix the potholes on the road to La Bufadora until they got their groove on and paved the road. The potholes became worse after they were filled in and kudos to Mexico for realizing that. Right now I am in a pothole war in Hawaii, the good old USA. It seems that my road was a direct route to a Chinese POW war camp in World War II and kept its private road status but became an easement after the first 500 feet and the last 1/4 mile cul de sac of a 2 mile stretch which is maintained by the highway department. Seems the descendants of the road, by the deed dated in 1969 that I got a copy of and for a price of $10 American, gave the county the right to use the easement but opted out of all liabilities. The county denies liability and maintenance and so do the descendants of the World War II private POW war camp...any suggestions? I called the City Councilman and got no response.

mtgoat666 - 10-15-2012 at 05:40 AM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Remember the Maneadero fiasco and the pothole repairs? For years and years the Mexican government went on trying to fix the potholes on the road to La Bufadora until they got their groove on and paved the road. The potholes became worse after they were filled in and kudos to Mexico for realizing that. Right now I am in a pothole war in Hawaii, the good old USA. It seems that my road was a direct route to a Chinese POW war camp in World War II and kept its private road status but became an easement after the first 500 feet and the last 1/4 mile cul de sac of a 2 mile stretch which is maintained by the highway department. Seems the descendants of the road, by the deed dated in 1969 that I got a copy of and for a price of $10 American, gave the county the right to use the easement but opted out of all liabilities. The county denies liability and maintenance and so do the descendants of the World War II private POW war camp...any suggestions? I called the City Councilman and got no response.

you are a haole. city staff will ignore you when you call. you are SOOL :lol:

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EnsenadaDr - 10-15-2012 at 06:09 AM

Well, thanks Goat, I just posted an editorial in the Honolulu Advertiser and the Hawaii Tribune-Herald. It seemed I got the police commissioners to turn in their badges a few years ago after I went to the City Council meeting. Hopefully SOMEONE will step up to the plate. By the way, there are a few Haolis working for the County.

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luv2fish - 10-15-2012 at 07:21 AM

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Hola Ensenada Dr. Just to clarify, do the former Chinese P.O.W.s own this place now ?? Or have I over medicated myself ?_ :?:

greengoes - 10-15-2012 at 07:33 AM

The descendants of the Chinese POW's of WWII own part of the road if I read this correctly, and the SOB's won't fix the potholes!!

Tenga buen dia.

Interesting

bajaguy - 10-15-2012 at 07:49 AM

WWII Chinese POW's......????????

David K - 10-15-2012 at 07:53 AM

Chinese POWs ???

We were at war with Japan.

China was also fighting Japan... an ally of ours, not an enemy.

Feathers - 10-15-2012 at 08:01 AM

lol... I hope you refrained from reminding the City Council that Hawaii is part of the good old USA? I can't imagine that winning friends or influencing anyone... in a positive manner.

Do you own the property?

rts551 - 10-15-2012 at 08:14 AM

Why would the city council care about a County road anyway?

DENNIS - 10-15-2012 at 08:16 AM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr

Have we learned anything from the Mexican potholes?

Of course. We've learned to drive around them rather than into them.

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Feathers - 10-15-2012 at 08:17 AM

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Originally posted by rts551
Why would the city council care about a County road anyway?

Good catch! The County Commissioners would be the go-to guys/gals.

Feathers - 10-15-2012 at 08:20 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr

Have we learned anything from the Mexican potholes?

Of course. We've learned to drive around them rather than into them.

greengoes - 10-15-2012 at 09:13 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr

Have we learned anything from the Mexican potholes?

Of course. We've learned to drive around them rather than into them.

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[Edited on 10-15-2012 by DENNIS]

Mexican pothole plan of action:

a) If it is on side of road maneuver around it.

b) If it is in middle of road, and not too wide, drive over it and miss it.

c) If it spans the whole road and can swallow an 18 wheel semi-trailer
hit the gas and try to jump it.

d) If you don't clear the jump call Esteban's Towing Service and have it taken to the nearest LLantera.

luv2fish - 10-15-2012 at 09:13 AM

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Chinese POWs ???

We were at war with Japan.

China was also fighting Japan... an ally of ours, not an enemy.

We've been at war with a whole bunch of countries. But during WW2 China was an ally, but during the Kimchi scandal China was backing North Korea. Maybe thats where we got P.O.W.s and took them to a nice island in Hawaii. And now they own the place ???? Give me a break.... Only in and to Americans...

greengoes - 10-15-2012 at 09:41 AM

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Originally posted by luv2fish
We've been at war with a whole bunch of countries. But during WW2 China was an ally, but during the Kimchi scandal China was backing North Korea. Maybe thats where we got P.O.W.s and took them to a nice island in Hawaii. And now they own the place ???? Give me a break.... Only in and to Americans...

On October 1950 the Chinese sent 175,000 screaming troops into Korea as the South Koreans, with U.S. Military assistance, had pushed the North Koreans back to the to border of China which is the Yalu River. The result of this action pushed the Korean and U.S. forces back down the peninsula and caused some of the toughest fighting during the entire conflict.

They effectively stopped an early end to the conflict and would prolong it another 2 1/2 years.

No Chinese POW's were sent to Hawaii, it is rumored they sent them to NYC where they opened numerous Chinese Food Carryouts.

luv2fish - 10-15-2012 at 09:45 AM

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You forgot San Francisco. :lol:

DENNIS - 10-15-2012 at 09:49 AM

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You forgot San Francisco. :lol:

And Mexicali. :light:

Descendants of POW camps

EnsenadaDr - 10-15-2012 at 09:53 AM

You know, I reread this post I wrote and the owners of the road are Chinese and I assumed they were descendants. The whole idea of POW camps for the Chinese in WWII was surprising to me a few years back, and I guess I will do some research on it. It is quite an interesting story. There are some very old buildings that are still standing from WWII as well, one being Pauline's bakery, which is owned by Portuguese who influxed into the area many years ago, I guess for fishing. There are quite a number of Portuguese on the island, one store Crivello's that sell Malasadas, a delicious portuguese donut and Portuguese sausage and bean soup. I emailed my article to the whole board of the City Council so they can see my representative didn't answer my inquiry as I remember he didn't a few years back on another issue. He is probably best friends with the Chongs.

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Hola Ensenada Dr. Just to clarify, do the former Chinese P.O.W.s own this place now ?? Or have I over medicated myself ?_ :?:

Thanks David

EnsenadaDr - 10-15-2012 at 10:00 AM

David,

Mr. Chong, who owns Chong Street I assumed was Chinese but maybe Japanese. And I am not sure if he is a descendant of the camp. But the street is named after him and he told me it dates way back to his family in WWII and that it did house a POW camp then. Maybe you can reconstruct the history for me because Mr. Chong will not respond anymore to my calls even though he told me he was going to write a letter to the building department claiming an easement should be maintained by the highway department if they are using it, according to his first semester law school class (yes, conveniently he is an attorney). Even my water meter is on another property because it was a subdivision of the Chongs and had been on another part of their property and the water company won't put it on my property, I have to jump the fence to turn off the meter in case of a leak (another whole issue).

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Originally posted by David K
Chinese POWs ???

We were at war with Japan.

China was also fighting Japan... an ally of ours, not an enemy.

luv2fish - 10-15-2012 at 10:17 AM

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David,

I have to jump the fence to turn off the meter in case of a leak

Is this in Hawaii U.S.A. ?? or is this in Hawaii Baja California ??

USA.....Let's learn from the Mexicans

EnsenadaDr - 10-15-2012 at 10:27 AM

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I brought this up because some of you are familiar with the Maneadero fiasco...how for years and years the Mexicans just filled in the potholes. That is what Mr. Chong does every so often, he goes around with asphalt and fills in the potholes. But like Mexico, the asphalt just comes up and sticks to the tires like it did on the road to La Bufadora. There was alot of grumbling in Punta Banda and personally I lost a tire to these potholes, when to the community's complete amazement (at least I was amazed), Ensenada decided to completely repave the road. That was quite a post holocaust situation, with all the driving deviation, but came out actually beautifully. It taught me that the only way to fix potholes it to repave the road completely. I learned all this, and Mr. Chong now is saying that we just need to fill up the potholes. But ask anyone in Punta Banda what is better? I use the Mexican example to point out the uselessness of a temporary fix. And so, if they can do it in Mexico, they can do it in Hawaii, USA. Alot of Mexicans living here BTW picking coffee beans.

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David,

I have to jump the fence to turn off the meter in case of a leak

Is this in Hawaii U.S.A. ?? or is this in Hawaii Baja California ??

City Council

EnsenadaDr - 10-15-2012 at 10:34 AM

When I went to the County Department, where we pay our property taxes, they told me to go to the City Council to ask them if we could pave a road down the street.

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Originally posted by rts551
Why would the city council care about a County road anyway?

rts551 - 10-15-2012 at 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
When I went to the County Department, where we pay our property taxes, they told me to go to the City Council to ask them if we could pave a road down the street.

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Originally posted by rts551
Why would the city council care about a County road anyway?

If it has potholes I would have assumed it was paved already. Is it a dirt road or a paved street? Is it in the county or the city? Why is the previous wner, Mr. Chong, not helping anymore? Lots of unanswered questions here. Devil is in the detail, right Doctor?

luv2fish - 10-15-2012 at 02:31 PM

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Originally posted by rts551

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
When I went to the County Department, where we pay our property taxes, they told me to go to the City Council to ask them if we could pave a road down the street.

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Originally posted by rts551
Why would the city council care about a County road anyway?

Does this Mr. Chong have a buddy named Cheech ?? :lol:

If he does it might explain a few things.....

Mr. Chong, my neighbor

EnsenadaDr - 10-15-2012 at 09:44 PM

Mr. Chong is a partner in the law firm, Chong and Chong, and his father sold the land to the County for easement rights. He called me from his phone last week, and today the Mayor's office confirmed they received a letter from Mr. Chong, but that there was a "law" prohibiting the County from doing any work on the road, contrary to what the deed says in 1969. I have asked them to clarify the law and reference it...there are a slew of Chongs living on Chong Street, Grandma Chong is getting a new home built in the cul de sac where the County maintains the road, of course. Mr. Chong lives down the street from me, and he insists there is a property law that states any one who uses a public easement must maintain the road. Now they are telling me to go to the Corporation Counsel, which governs County law. The road is paved, but has huge potholes that are filled in by the Chongs but open up it seems deeper than the filled ones in a short period of time.

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Originally posted by rts551

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
When I went to the County Department, where we pay our property taxes, they told me to go to the City Council to ask them if we could pave a road down the street.

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Originally posted by rts551
Why would the city council care about a County road anyway?

[Edited on 10-16-2012 by EnsenadaDr]

Puzzling over Potholes

MrBillM - 10-16-2012 at 09:51 PM

And Viral VERBalization ?

".........owned by Portuguese who influxed into the area........."

Disregarding the awkward syntax and the trend (usually among politicos) to convert nouns into verbs with reckless abandon to appear original, THIS is the first time I've seen Influx treated as such.

Is it a Chinese thing ?

Or Hawaiian ?

Nemo55 - 10-16-2012 at 10:33 PM

Jayyyyzusss!,,,talk about spoiled children!!!! for Fooks sake!!! DO YA NEED A SMOOTH HIGHWAY ALL THE WAY THROUGH YUR LIFE?????
ARE YA NOT GONNA BE` SATISFIED UNTIL IT LOOKS LIKE HWY WHATEVER,,IN THE STATES,,,,AND THERE IS NO MORE Baja!!!! ?????
Enjoy the raw beauty while you can,,because after a few of your kind get busy,,,there's not gonna be anything left to enjoy!!!!!

willardguy - 10-16-2012 at 10:50 PM

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Originally posted by Nemo55
Jayyyyzusss!,,,talk about spoiled children!!!! for Fooks sake!!! DO YA NEED A SMOOTH HIGHWAY ALL THE WAY THROUGH YUR LIFE?????
ARE YA NOT GONNA BE` SATISFIED UNTIL IT LOOKS LIKE HWY WHATEVER,,IN THE STATES,,,,AND THERE IS NO MORE Baja!!!! ?????
Enjoy the raw beauty while you can,,because after a few of your kind get busy,,,there's not gonna be anything left to enjoy!!!!!

hold on there hot rod, maybe you came into this late. she IS talking about the states, hawaii. just like the road that you drive on going home each day. BUT NICE RANT NEMO :coolup:

EnsenadaDr - 10-16-2012 at 11:46 PM

Yeah, especially when the Bufadora road in Mexico looks like a super highway compared to it...

DENNIS - 10-17-2012 at 08:27 AM

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This, from a man coming to Punta Banda from the Great Socialist Experiment in The North, who doesn't own a car.

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a few of your kind

Really???
And what "kind" is that?