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THE WAR ON MEXICAN CARTELS...........

DENNIS - 10-28-2012 at 08:56 AM

..................OPTIONS FOR U.S. AND MEXICAN POLICY-MAKERS

http://www.iop.harvard.edu/sites/default/files_new/research-...

Ateo - 10-28-2012 at 09:15 AM

"The combination of attacking both the cartels and the demand for their drugs will help burn the stick from both ends, reducing their market and their structure to a point where it is much less profitable for them to operate."

Sounds easy enough right? Nope.....

A thorough research paper...........Thanks for posting DENNIS.

I'll give it a complete read later today. My take on this has always been that we will never win this "war". I know that's not a new idea.

Has anything changed since we declared this war? How much money are we spending on this war? Is it worth it? You can still purchase whatever you want after spending the BILLIONS and BILLIONS to eradicate. Seems we need to try something new. Prohibition doesn't seem to be working very well.

The Drug Business

cessna821 - 10-28-2012 at 09:38 AM

A well written and comprehensive document from Harvard, exactly what you would expect from such a group - However - it smacks of discussions by medieval scholars relating to how many angels can sit on the head of a pin!!

Because -
1. While people wish to use recreational drugs the way they do, the trade will continue and demand will be fulfilled, just like alcohol prohibition in the 1920's;
2. The drug 'business' is now well established in both USA and other countries and gives thousands of enforcement agents employment via gigantic government budgets;
3. IF and it's a huge IF, the drug business more or less collapsed, let's say due to severe economic conditions, or, less likely, drugs were legalised and taxed, what would the drug cartels do next?
Would kidnapping or hijacking take its place?
Nice job for crooks, no cash outlay, easy money?

Careful what we wish for!

DavidE - 10-28-2012 at 10:06 AM

The mexico DRUG PROBLEM source is located right on your block in the USA. Not south of the border. Get this clear in your head.

CHEAP DRUGS at any cost. Cheap Mexican marijuana. This is the same mindset that makes people drive clear across town to save a nickel on a gallon of gasoline.

The users DO NOT CARE they are subsidizing killers of innocent people. Is this understood? They could give a @#$%^&! And that's the way they treat everything in life. is THAT understood?

Not one gosh darnned newspaper article mentions this bizarre set of values or morals. No one ever bothers to mention that if marijuana was made legal and taxed and regulated THE gosh darnNED CARTELS WILL SELL THEIRS CHEAPER. And those same people who drive clear across town to buy nickel a gallon cheaper gasoline WILL CONTINUE TO BUY IT.

Because THEY DON'T CARE!

And THAT is the problem.

Or be stupid and believe that regulating and taxing pot will make the angels sing and sicarios resign themselves to tending bar and pinstriping the burro and take up tourist photography as a source of incomel

EnsenadaDr - 10-28-2012 at 10:23 AM

Part of the answer is raising the minimum wage and having a sufficient enough income in Mexico to live. Even Doctors in Mexico work 3 jobs to make ends meet. Until people can find work that will let them live a decent lifestyle, many will be tempted to get involved in illegal activities that may be risky, but will offer a quicker and much higher financial gain. We don't need a scholarly article from Harvard and thousands of dollars spent on research by people who never stepped foot over the border. It's pretty much common sense.

[Edited on 10-28-2012 by EnsenadaDr]

DENNIS - 10-28-2012 at 10:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DavidE
And THAT is the problem.




That's one of them anyway, but not all.
Even more basic is a reason rarely mentioned.....the desire for the human body to feel good. Curb that and the desire for drugs will cease to exist.

BajaDove - 10-28-2012 at 11:18 AM

BRAVO, Dennis!

WE CAN'T LET THEM GO HUNGRY!

DavidE - 10-28-2012 at 01:33 PM

LIVE IN POVERTY

DavidE - 10-28-2012 at 01:35 PM

OR LET THEM STARVE

DavidE - 10-28-2012 at 01:37 PM

luv2fish - 10-28-2012 at 04:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DavidE


This last photo was taken at the home of a Chinese National who was attempting to smuggle that money home. Pretty sad when even the Chinese are cashing in on this drug war. Unfortunately I cant find the link.:?::?::?::?::?:

Got It, Doc

MrBillM - 10-28-2012 at 04:34 PM

No question that raising the minimum-wage will make them forgo that kind of cash.

Mimmum Wage...or Maximum Risk??

EnsenadaDr - 10-28-2012 at 05:20 PM

Getting more financial compensation might make them think once or twice about being shot up by the PGR if they go to work for the cartels....why doesn't everyone in Mexico then go for the Cartel Action?
Quote:
Originally posted by MrBillM
No question that raising the minimum-wage will make them forgo that kind of cash.

War On drugs !!!

captkw - 10-28-2012 at 05:21 PM

I know nothing about politcs !!! but this "war on Drug" is like the federal reserve........................A very bad joke !!!!

woody with a view - 10-28-2012 at 05:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Getting more financial compensation might make them think once or twice about being shot up by the PGR if they go to work for the cartels....why doesn't everyone in Mexico then go for the Cartel Action?
Quote:
Originally posted by MrBillM
No question that raising the minimum-wage will make them forgo that kind of cash.


i asked a friend why so many Mexicans join up with the cartels. his answer was sobering. he said they are so poor, and will always be that way, with no future, so many of them see the big $ and the chicks and the prestige as a chance to get a piece of the good life. even if it kills them.....

people just don't think

mtgoat666 - 10-28-2012 at 05:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DavidE
The mexico DRUG PROBLEM source is located right on your block in the USA. Not south of the border. Get this clear in your head.

CHEAP DRUGS at any cost. Cheap Mexican marijuana. This is the same mindset that makes people drive clear across town to save a nickel on a gallon of gasoline.

The users DO NOT CARE they are subsidizing killers of innocent people. Is this understood? They could give a @#$%^&! And that's the way they treat everything in life. is THAT understood?

Not one gosh darnned newspaper article mentions this bizarre set of values or morals. No one ever bothers to mention that if marijuana was made legal and taxed and regulated THE gosh darnNED CARTELS WILL SELL THEIRS CHEAPER. And those same people who drive clear across town to buy nickel a gallon cheaper gasoline WILL CONTINUE TO BUY IT.

Because THEY DON'T CARE!

And THAT is the problem.

Or be stupid and believe that regulating and taxing pot will make the angels sing and sicarios resign themselves to tending bar and pinstriping the burro and take up tourist photography as a source of incomel


people do lots of things w/o thinking; for example, people buy cheap clothes, knowing full well that they are made by slaves or poorly paid children working in abhorent factory conditions in bangladesh,...

all suffer from out-of-sight-out-of-mind affliction

people just don't think

BajaBruno - 10-28-2012 at 06:19 PM

That big pile of dollars was collected by China-born Zhenti Ye Gon (who became a Mexican citizen), a pharma chemical supplier in Mexico City. He was diverting 55 gallon drums of precursors to the meth makers. That is his house in an earlier photo, but the fancy guns belonged to a real drug lord. Ye Gon was just a chemical supplier.

BajaBruno - 10-28-2012 at 06:25 PM

If Prohibition and the Mafia are any indicator, if the Mexican cartels are put out of the drug business (unlikely, as cessna821 notes) they will just find some other illicit enterprise. They are already getting into smuggling of people, money, and guns, and doing contract killings, money laundering, and some legitimate businesses with dirty money.

The smart money would be on them surviving, unfortunately. It's hard to kill an organization that has amassed that much money and power.