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QUETZALCOATL - 11-5-2012 at 12:27 PM

Here's a question my wife asked me last night and am hoping to get some of your views on it. Would you rather be buried in Mexico or America? My answer was the same as always- for her to rent a ponga and toss me out at sea to give the fish revenge. Seriously what does it matter where you get laid to rest?

bajaguy - 11-5-2012 at 12:32 PM

A lot depends on where you expire (US or Mexico) and what is in your will, trust and/or last wishes for the disposition of remains...............however, please leave enough money for a farewell party!!!

DENNIS - 11-5-2012 at 12:34 PM

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Originally posted by QUETZALCOATL
Seriously what does it matter where you get laid to rest?


I guess you just answered your own question. :light:

Have you considered this as your final tribute: :fire::fire::fire:
I mean, it's completely biblical......"ashes to ashes and all that stuff."

David K - 11-5-2012 at 12:35 PM

In Baja is where I want to spend eternity... it is just too bad I will be dead!

vgabndo - 11-5-2012 at 01:16 PM

BURIED! Never!

While I am convinced that the endless blackness that I didn't experience before my birth will continue after my death. My conscious claustrophobia is so severe as to make the idea of being put in a box and buried actually causes me to fear death!

In reality it would have everything to do with the expense. When one adds the cost of transportation of the body back to the States, the cost of a cremation becomes less of a bargain than the usual hedge on paying the rip-off for a fancy box in which to be planted. If the cost of the legal stuff around disposal of a body in Mexico isn't excessive, why not have the work done there. Cremains are cheap to ship or move.

If one isn't tied up in cultural expectations, there are options. A friend of mine was buried a few years ago in a crate made out of oriented strand board. Another friend relates the story of a 'very close to the land' tenant on her acreage, whose wife was known to be dying. When she passed, he quietly cremated her on a pyre behind his 'camp'. When this came to light, the fine was less than the charges at a "funeral home".

Personally, I paid in advance for a military funeral. After the Patriot Act, after the same people hid the coffins of our war dead, and as a result of growing into a sustainable philosophy, I no longer care to be memorialized under the banner of 'one nation under God'. So, I'd be smooth as silk with being in Mexico when they send me: "... up the smoke stack, yes, and back into the storm." (Thanks James Taylor)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2t9QcMoZ0M

[Edited on 11-5-2012 by vgabndo]

Osprey - 11-5-2012 at 01:26 PM

I wouldn't worry if your handle, your sombrenombre, Quetzalcoatl holds true you just hold on to the fact that the Living Feathered Serpent can never die.

But, big but; if you die down here, if you turn out to be a mere mortal, your question is laughable. Those you leave behind will be more than just a little surprised by Mexican's laws about the newly dead >> my advice is that you give someone you love instructions about your wishes and a lot of pure gold bullion to have them carried out instead of what Mexico instructs be done with your sorry gringo a$$.

Don't believe me? Call or Email the crematorium in La Paz or some other major city.

DENNIS - 11-5-2012 at 01:38 PM

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Originally posted by Osprey
Those you leave behind will be more than just a little surprised by Mexican's laws about the newly dead >> my advice is that you give someone you love instructions about your wishes and a lot of pure gold bullion to have them carried out instead of what Mexico instructs be done with your sorry gringo a$$.



True as can be, Jorge.
OK....here's one from the BETCHADIDNKNOW File.....

Ensenada, as well as other cities, actually has a Boot Hill [actually it's a big pit] and, Gringo or not, thats where your bones will turn to dust if paperwork is not in order for a more civilized disposition of remains.



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[Edited on 11-5-2012 by DENNIS]

Bob and Susan - 11-5-2012 at 02:09 PM

or the fireman in you...

luv2fish - 11-5-2012 at 02:45 PM

Actually, I heard that when you are burried in Mexico, your body will be exhumed after 5 years unless you pay additional fees. Even in death they are ripping us off.

You Just Don't Remember The 229 Nubian Nymphs

DavidE - 11-5-2012 at 06:29 PM

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Originally posted by vgabndo
BURIED! Never!

While I am convinced that the endless blackness that I didn't experience before my birth will continue after my death. My conscious claustrophobia is so severe as to make the idea of being put in a box and buried actually causes me to fear death!



If it were so bad on the "other side" ya think people would be jumping the fence to get back. Fearing death is as illogical as fearing life.

AMEN !!!

captkw - 11-5-2012 at 06:31 PM

grace59 - 11-5-2012 at 08:07 PM

I plan to die in Mexico (way off in the future), be cremated and have my ashes spread out in the sea. From there I can travel the rest of the world with ease.

An interesting topic here!

mcfez - 11-6-2012 at 08:26 AM

What is offered in Baja if one did die down there?

http://tijuana.usconsulate.gov/disposition_remains.html

Iflyfish - 11-6-2012 at 08:44 AM

Having given this topic some thought I thought I'd share some reflections with you.

First of all if there is indeed Reincarnation then I must have been some friggin Mother Theresa in the last life given the opulence of my existence.

It will not be the rocks and bank balance that we will be thinking about when we are on our way out.

Hearing is the last to go so if you find me in sufficient state of decay and I haven't yet had the good grace to end it on my own, please send me out with some good music.....love the blues particularly and hold the female angst music. Bonnie Raite will do nicely.

I have avoided heroin but wouldn't mind it as a farewell drug of choice. Opium of course would also suffice and is more organic. Since morphine is the usual drug of choice in these situations feel free to hit the plunger for me!

I don't have an imaginary friend so no need to invoke her presence. I do however have wonderful real friends in my life and I hope they will be able to engage in some form of ritualized recollection and drinking, seems like a nice thing to do. Tell stories, lies and exaggerate my prowess in as many ways as you can. Don't hold back ladies.

I like the way they laid Stan out and down. Lots of tears, great stories, fond recollections and lots of empty Tecate cans.

I have killed my share, eaten my share of what I killed, deeply contemplated the conscious or lack thereof of a rutabaga and common lab rat and have concluded that self consciousness is what distinguishes us in the animal kingdom, though others have told me differently i.e. whales learning language etc. and this self consciousness lies in the brain, which is the consistency of a thick custard, till it dies and then is becomes hard as a rock.

I have concluded that if we live on it's in the memories of others and few of us will last past a generation or two.

We pass our genes on and then they mutate. I grew up listening to Bach, Buxtehude, Telemann and Mozart, and the Blues ......ever listened to Rap? This is what I have come to accept about my creations, my music.....it will all turn to Rap. I am resigned to that, some people, particularly young people like Rap and that's ok with me. Rap ON!!!

It's all about recycling in the end and I am certain that nature knows well how to handle these matters.

Back atcha Vagabundo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wloenszRv0

Iflyfish

QUETZALCOATL - 11-6-2012 at 08:47 AM

Sadly my casket air freshener company idea failed-how ever on a positive note Dennis and David have agreed to enslave 10,000 workers to build me a pyramid for my remains and bajaguy agreed to glue feathers onto all the rattlesnakes in baja to honor Quetzalcoatl, For this I say thank you.

shari - 11-6-2012 at 08:51 AM

Having had to deal with this recently, I have an emotional opinion on this topic. As many have said, it depends where you expire and what your family is prepared to do. Getting a body back to the states is a very difficult process involving many government entities and can take alot of time so I learned you have to go through the whole embalming, funeral home thing anyway. FYI, the funeraria in Vizcaino charged 10,000 pesos to come and get the body, prepare Stan for 8 days so his family & friends could arrive for the actual funeral., storage for 3 days and return trip in the hearse.The casket was more expensive as it was the only jumbo one they had. there are several permits you need to get too.

Getting someone cremated is very costly and also tricky involving someone going to either Ensenada or La Paz...lots of paperwork too and I was told you still need to buy a casket and prepare the body for transport...it isnt as easy as people think. So for those left behind to deal with things, a local burial is far easier, a beautiful experience at a fraction of the cost of other choices...not to mention it is the traditional way to honour the dead.

If you love where you live in Baja, you will most likely love your amigos too and the locals will give you a fitting respectful send off to be proud of so your soul will fly or fish with the angels.

I also wanted to be cremated with ashes spread at San Roque and the blowhole but after experiencing how incredibly powerful Stan's wake and funeral was...it would be an honor to be accompanied out with my amigos and family here and the local cemetery is a beautiful place for my weary bones to rest.

So please think things over carefully keeping in mind those left behind to organize it all.

[Edited on 11-6-2012 by shari]

Iflyfish - 11-6-2012 at 08:52 AM

Skeet's been working on the snakes, may take some time. By the way Quetz, we thought you returned once and look what it cost us!!!

Iflyfish

QUETZALCOATL - 11-6-2012 at 08:53 AM

Don't be fooled again by a Spanish ahole sportin a beard.

Ateo - 11-6-2012 at 09:01 AM

We will all live on forever thru our words on this website and even more so on Facebook. Someday you're grandkids will be scrolling thru your Baja trip reports, or seeing that you "liked" the Taco Bell page on Facebook.

It is an honor to build your pyramid!

David K - 11-6-2012 at 09:35 AM




Quetzalcoatl (“feathered snake”) is the Aztec name for the Feathered-Serpent deity of ancient Mesoamerica, one of the main gods of many Mexican and northern Central American civilizations. Civilizations worshiping the Feathered Serpent included the Olmec, the Mixtec, the Toltec, the Aztec, and the Maya.

The worship of Quetzalcoatl sometimes included human sacrifices, although in other traditions Quetzalcoatl was said to oppose human sacrifice.


Quetzalcoatl was the god of life, fertility and gave penitence, love, and exemption from rituals of sacrifice, and Autosacrifice.


His birth, along with his twin Xolotl, was unusual; it was a virgin birth, born to the goddess Coatlicue.

According to Apocalyptic literature, esoteric knowledge, such as magic, divination, and astrology, was transmitted to humans in the mythic past by the two angels, Aza and Azaz’el (in other places, Azaz’el and Uzaz’el) who ‘fell’ from heaven (see Genesis 6:4). Is this Quetzalcoatyl and his twin?



Quetzalcoatl was often considered the god of the morning star and his twin brother, Xolotl was the evening star (Venus).

As the morning star he was known under the title Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, which means literally “the lord of the star of the dawn”.

Remember that the name Lucifer also is an ancient name that means Venus, the morning star.


He was known as the inventor of books and the calendar, the giver of maize corn to mankind, and sometime as a symbol of death and resurrection. Quetzalcoatl was also the patron of the priests and the title of the Aztec high priest.


Lord of Healing and magical herbs, known as a symbol of thought and learning, of the arts, poetry, and all things good and beautiful. Lord of Hope and Lord of the Morning Star.


[above image and information from: http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/quetzalcoatl-the-god-behin... ]:light:

Islandbuilder - 11-6-2012 at 11:14 AM

Wait, BURN an 11' Skip Frye!?
How about we lay you out on it for the wake, then take the board surfing while you're in the burn barrel?

Osprey - 11-6-2012 at 11:23 AM

David, I just discovered a place where I can learn all that stuff about The Feathered Serpent: google.

Sooooo I guess now I won't have to read many of your non map/missions posts if I can just remember that.

A question. Doesn't it follow that if we have internet we have search engines?

You do so much for this board -- why do you bother to expound on things at the fingertips of other Nomads?

QUETZALCOATL - 11-6-2012 at 11:30 AM

Sry Osprey- I think he was responding to a u2u I sent him -- still tho sometimes folks post stuff that's readily available on the web - yet some haven't seen the info. Ex; the other day some one on a different sight posted a thing on time travel I hadnt seen. Have a great day

Osprey - 11-6-2012 at 11:47 AM

You are very gracious. David posts lots of links -- he wants us to know all the info he can give us. We were waiting for nothing but it would not surprise us to have David choose one of several thousand links for us so we could all know about your handle the way he sees it. After 7 years I'm still surprised and amazed that he can help all of us so much in his area of knowledge and, from time to time, drive me (us) a little nutz by hand-feeding us what, beyond irrigation and the missions, he just can't stand to not have us be well aware of.

mtgoat666 - 11-6-2012 at 11:49 AM

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Originally posted by David K
Quetzalcoatl was often considered the god of the morning star and his twin brother, Xolotl was the evening star (Venus).

As the morning star he was known under the title Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, which means literally “the lord of the star of the dawn”.

Remember that the name Lucifer also is an ancient name that means Venus, the morning star.


DK:
Lucifer does not "mean" venus. "Lucifer" is a word indirectly taken from a latin word for venus. The words don't have same meaning. Not many christians think Venus represents the devil (well, perhaps the american taliban type christians do). Venus is seductive, but is not evil.

David K - 11-6-2012 at 12:00 PM

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Originally posted by Osprey
David, I just discovered a place where I can learn all that stuff about The Feathered Serpent: google.

Sooooo I guess now I won't have to read many of your non map/missions posts if I can just remember that.

A question. Doesn't it follow that if we have internet we have search engines?

You do so much for this board -- why do you bother to expound on things at the fingertips of other Nomads?


Because I like and enjoy teaching/ sharing/ helping, and I learn more from doing so...

Perhaps it is good to just read what you want to. I would never want you to read things I post here that you don't want to read.

Often I am asked to post things for others or to help with a photo or post a map of an area... They all are not always my creation...

Do you not see other Nomads who post links to other's stories and photos off the Internet? Come on, this is an entertainment and information site and it is great if friendships and help comes of it.

I posted the Quetzacuotl image and details as an honorable respect for a Nomad using the name, based on his after-death request and curiosity with other Nomad's death plans.

Such a catchy name deserves some historical consideration. That is what I decided to provide. Did everyone know who Quetzacuoatl was or would bother to search before I easily and freely put it here...? It is a forum/ message board... just scroll over stuff you don't want to see, but don't deny others the pleasure they might gain from any Nomad's contribution.

Now, go and have a great day my friend!

David K - 11-6-2012 at 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Quetzalcoatl was often considered the god of the morning star and his twin brother, Xolotl was the evening star (Venus).

As the morning star he was known under the title Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, which means literally “the lord of the star of the dawn”.

Remember that the name Lucifer also is an ancient name that means Venus, the morning star.


DK:
Lucifer does not "mean" venus. "Lucifer" is a word indirectly taken from a latin word for venus. The words don't have same meaning. Not many christians think Venus represents the devil (well, perhaps the american taliban type christians do). Venus is seductive, but is not evil.


Thank you! How about a link to your source? Did you see mine?:

[above image and information from: http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/quetzalcoatl-the-god-behin... ]

mtgoat666 - 11-6-2012 at 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Quetzalcoatl was often considered the god of the morning star and his twin brother, Xolotl was the evening star (Venus).

As the morning star he was known under the title Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, which means literally “the lord of the star of the dawn”.

Remember that the name Lucifer also is an ancient name that means Venus, the morning star.


DK:
Lucifer does not "mean" venus. "Lucifer" is a word indirectly taken from a latin word for venus. The words don't have same meaning. Not many christians think Venus represents the devil (well, perhaps the american taliban type christians do). Venus is seductive, but is not evil.


Thank you! How about a link to your source?


the source is my infinite knowledge from high school latin and mythology! it was all hard copy books back in the pre-computer dark ages, no links! sorry, have forgotten the specific book titles!

Cypress - 11-6-2012 at 12:16 PM

So there's no difference between christians and taliban? You're kidding?:biggrin:

shari - 11-6-2012 at 01:20 PM

my 2 centavos...I actually like it when people post random info here as I do not have time to search the internet...I learned something in DK's post thank you very much. As I am strapped for time, I often do not click on the link people provide instead of copy & pasting the info.

Just a different prospective amigo but I quite appreciate extra tidbits of info at a glance.

carry on

Mula - 11-6-2012 at 03:03 PM

I'm with Shari on not doing the "link click" thing.

I like it when all the info shows up here!

David K - 11-6-2012 at 03:04 PM

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Originally posted by shari
my 2 centavos...I actually like it when people post random info here as I do not have time to search the internet...I learned something in DK's post thank you very much. As I am strapped for time, I often do not click on the link people provide instead of copy & pasting the info.

Just a different prospective amigo but I quite appreciate extra tidbits of info at a glance.

carry on


Thanks Shari, that's how I feel too... When I see link instead of the stuff here in front of my eyes, I only click the link if it looks very compelling... If it is posted here I do see it, and there's a better chance I will read it, too!

Barbareno - 11-8-2012 at 08:36 AM

Well there is always John Prine's version :lol:

Please Don't Bury Me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tADPD5mpqRM