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Trump's Baja Disaster

EnsenadaDr - 12-5-2012 at 01:35 AM

I know I posted this question on another Baja site, but I still never got an answer. What happened to all the money that was invested in Trump's Baja Disaster north of Rosarito? I met a gentleman who said he was working for a homeowner's association and was staying at Real Del Mar for two weeks right after the first tower was sold out. He told me a Canadian company that had been very successful in Waikiki sponsored the Trump Baja project, but obviously many lost their retirement savings buying a unit, could say this was maybe worse than the Punta Banda fiasco. He said that the towers were going to have to build their own sewage treatment plant, and this was part of the reason for the Towers' demise. I know the area always smells like sewage when I drive by there. Did anyone that paid for a unit ever get their money back? Was there ever a criminal prosecution of the company?

ligui - 12-5-2012 at 07:33 AM

Trump is a Disaster :mad:

greengoes - 12-5-2012 at 08:01 AM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Did anyone that paid for a unit ever get their money back? Was there ever a criminal prosecution of the company?


Last I heard, no and no. There are some law suits pending in the states as one of the sellers was a US based company.

DavidE - 12-5-2012 at 08:35 AM

Trump is a manipulating Con Artist

"Hey Trump!"

"You're Fired!"

Ateo - 12-5-2012 at 08:40 AM

I always wondered who would buy into that place when it stunk like human feces.

KASHEYDOG - 12-5-2012 at 08:52 AM

Trump Sued For $10 Million Over Never-Built CondosTrump Sued For $10 Million Over Never-Built Condos 2 0

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Posted on MAR 08, 2010 @ 01:45PM print it send it WENN.com
A group of seven individuals filed suit against Donald Trump, Donald Trump Jr., Ivanka Trump and others for fraud, negligence, accounting and other counts regarding a hotel condominium complex in Baja.

The plaintiffs are seeking at least $10 million dollars in damages.

In court documents obtained by RadarOnline.com, the lawsuit states, "Plaintiffs are a group of individuals who were duped into buying hotel-condominium units that were never built. With the complicity of defendants, the developers of the units depleted Plaintiff's deposits - even though they never broke ground on the project, much less obtained the necessary building permits or construction loans.

DOCUMENTS: Read The Lawsuit Here

"The Trump Defendants falsely led Plaintiffs to believe that they were financial backers of the project, known as the "Trump Ocean Resort Baja. The project was located in northern Baja California, Mexico - a 30 minute drive from downtown San Diego, CA."

The resort was to have consisted of 526 suites and cost approximately $200 million dollars. It was supposed to include a spa, swimming pool, restaurants and shops. According to the lawsuit, the project "failed. Today the project site shows little sign of construction other than a large excavation with six cement pads at the middle of the site."

The plaintiffs say that Trump's involvement wasn't what they were led to believe, "contrary to what plaintiff's believed, Trump had only licensed the use of his name to the project and was not involved as an equity partner and had never invested any of his own money in the project."

The docs also state that Trump Ocean Baja had its own Web site, which is now defunct, and that the project was featured on Trump.com and that it has now been removed.

The plaintiff's also charge that Donald's adult children, Ivanka and Donald Jr., were used to promote the project. Furthermore, the suit alleges about Ivanka Trump, "when various plaintiff's questioned Ivanka with regard to whether Trump was merely licensing his name to the project, Ivanka denied the same and replied that Trump was a developer and held an equity interest in the project."

KASHEYDOG - 12-5-2012 at 08:54 AM

Donald Trump objects to settlement reached over Tijuana project
A developer of a failed condo resort in Tijuana that used Trump's name has agreed to pay $7.25 million to investors who lost deposits.
October 03, 2012|By Stuart Pfeifer, Los Angeles Times
A billboard about 10 miles south of the U.S. border advertises the Trump… (Don Bartletti, Los Angeles…)
Investors who lost millions of dollars when a Donald Trump condominium project in Baja California failed during the economic meltdown are going to get some of their money back — over Trump's objections.

A developer of the Tijuana resort agreed to pay $7.25 million to settle a lawsuit brought by 190 buyers — many of them from Southern California — who lost $22 million in deposits after the project failed in 2008.

QUETZALCOATL - 12-5-2012 at 09:16 AM

Off topic some- I went to New York military academy for high school and so did Donald, but I went into the military after where as looking back-he kicked my butt financially-so for you young people its not always best to buy into duty, honor country.

[Edited on 12-5-2012 by QUETZALCOATL]

bajaguy - 12-5-2012 at 09:34 AM

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Originally posted by QUETZALCOATL
Off topic some- I went to New York military academy for high school and so did Donald, but I went into the military after where as looking back-he kicked my butt financially-so for you young people its not always best to buy into duty, honor country.

[Edited on 12-5-2012 by QUETZALCOATL]





No thanks......I am glad I did my Duty, Honor, Country. Wouldn't trade that for anything. Not even Donald's $$$

bajaguy - 12-5-2012 at 09:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by KASHEYDOG
Donald Trump objects to settlement reached over Tijuana project
A developer of a failed condo resort in Tijuana that used Trump's name has agreed to pay $7.25 million to investors who lost deposits.
October 03, 2012|By Stuart Pfeifer, Los Angeles Times
A billboard about 10 miles south of the U.S. border advertises the Trump… (Don Bartletti, Los Angeles…)
Investors who lost millions of dollars when a Donald Trump condominium project in Baja California failed during the economic meltdown are going to get some of their money back — over Trump's objections.

A developer of the Tijuana resort agreed to pay $7.25 million to settle a lawsuit brought by 190 buyers — many of them from Southern California — who lost $22 million in deposits after the project failed in 2008.





All of those investor clowns could have been living the dream here in Baja if they were not into trying to outdo each other and live in a "Trump" development.......guess they got "trumped".........................same thing is gonna happen to anyone who buys into the PR BS regarding Tiger Wood's Punta Brava............never going to be built. Still waiting for Tiger to complete his first project.

EnsenadaDr - 12-5-2012 at 12:43 PM

Thanks Dick, I wonder who that company was. Guess I could Google it since your source was so current, there should be some information on it.
Quote:
Originally posted by KASHEYDOG
Donald Trump objects to settlement reached over Tijuana project
A developer of a failed condo resort in Tijuana that used Trump's name has agreed to pay $7.25 million to investors who lost deposits.
October 03, 2012|By Stuart Pfeifer, Los Angeles Times
A billboard about 10 miles south of the U.S. border advertises the Trump… (Don Bartletti, Los Angeles…)
Investors who lost millions of dollars when a Donald Trump condominium project in Baja California failed during the economic meltdown are going to get some of their money back — over Trump's objections.

A developer of the Tijuana resort agreed to pay $7.25 million to settle a lawsuit brought by 190 buyers — many of them from Southern California — who lost $22 million in deposits after the project failed in 2008.

objects to settlement?

EnsenadaDr - 12-5-2012 at 12:45 PM

Why would Trump object to the settlement? It's been years!!!
Quote:
Originally posted by KASHEYDOG
Donald Trump objects to settlement reached over Tijuana project
A developer of a failed condo resort in Tijuana that used Trump's name has agreed to pay $7.25 million to investors who lost deposits.
October 03, 2012|By Stuart Pfeifer, Los Angeles Times
A billboard about 10 miles south of the U.S. border advertises the Trump… (Don Bartletti, Los Angeles…)
Investors who lost millions of dollars when a Donald Trump condominium project in Baja California failed during the economic meltdown are going to get some of their money back — over Trump's objections.

A developer of the Tijuana resort agreed to pay $7.25 million to settle a lawsuit brought by 190 buyers — many of them from Southern California — who lost $22 million in deposits after the project failed in 2008.

EnsenadaDr - 12-5-2012 at 12:52 PM

Interesting, I always heard Trump had merely used his name to promote the project, maybe they are now saying he was actually part of the project so he could contest the settlement amount!! What a low life.
Quote:
Originally posted by KASHEYDOG
Trump Sued For $10 Million Over Never-Built CondosTrump Sued For $10 Million Over Never-Built Condos 2 0

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Posted on MAR 08, 2010 @ 01:45PM print it send it WENN.com
A group of seven individuals filed suit against Donald Trump, Donald Trump Jr., Ivanka Trump and others for fraud, negligence, accounting and other counts regarding a hotel condominium complex in Baja.

The plaintiffs are seeking at least $10 million dollars in damages.

In court documents obtained by RadarOnline.com, the lawsuit states, "Plaintiffs are a group of individuals who were duped into buying hotel-condominium units that were never built. With the complicity of defendants, the developers of the units depleted Plaintiff's deposits - even though they never broke ground on the project, much less obtained the necessary building permits or construction loans.

DOCUMENTS: Read The Lawsuit Here

"The Trump Defendants falsely led Plaintiffs to believe that they were financial backers of the project, known as the "Trump Ocean Resort Baja. The project was located in northern Baja California, Mexico - a 30 minute drive from downtown San Diego, CA."

The resort was to have consisted of 526 suites and cost approximately $200 million dollars. It was supposed to include a spa, swimming pool, restaurants and shops. According to the lawsuit, the project "failed. Today the project site shows little sign of construction other than a large excavation with six cement pads at the middle of the site."

The plaintiffs say that Trump's involvement wasn't what they were led to believe, "contrary to what plaintiff's believed, Trump had only licensed the use of his name to the project and was not involved as an equity partner and had never invested any of his own money in the project."

The docs also state that Trump Ocean Baja had its own Web site, which is now defunct, and that the project was featured on Trump.com and that it has now been removed.

The plaintiff's also charge that Donald's adult children, Ivanka and Donald Jr., were used to promote the project. Furthermore, the suit alleges about Ivanka Trump, "when various plaintiff's questioned Ivanka with regard to whether Trump was merely licensing his name to the project, Ivanka denied the same and replied that Trump was a developer and held an equity interest in the project."

bajaguy - 12-5-2012 at 12:56 PM

The plaintiff's also charge that Donald's adult children, Ivanka and Donald Jr., were used to promote the project. Furthermore, the suit alleges about Ivanka Trump, "when various plaintiff's questioned Ivanka with regard to whether Trump was merely licensing his name to the project, ........Ivanka denied the same and replied that Trump was a developer and held an equity interest in the project.".........

Looks like his hands were dirty, according to his daughter.....

[Edited on 12-5-2012 by bajaguy]

greengoes - 12-5-2012 at 01:00 PM

Trump isn't whining. The company that slid in and got him to merely put his name on it agreed to settle for about thirty cents on the dollar to those who filed suit. What was the total number of units sold? Is 190 all or a portion who got the judgement.

Sol said the odds of collecting a dime from the developer are slim to none.

Edit for bringing up Punta Brava.
I love that 'proposed' project, it keeps the Cats busy following the progress after it was unequivocally announced the work is starting Octubre, 2011.

[Edited on 12-5-2012 by greengoes]

EnsenadaDr - 12-5-2012 at 01:05 PM

Greengoes, I don't think you read Kashey Dog's very informative article that states specifically that Trump's children claim they were in on this from the start. So, no one "slid" Trump's name in on the project. BTW, who is Sol?
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Originally posted by greengoes
Trump isn't whining. The company that slid in and got him to merely put his name on it agreed to settle for about thirty cents on the dollar to those who filed suit. What was the total number of units sold? Is 190 all or a portion who got the judgement.

Sol said the odds of collecting a dime from the developer are slim to none.

greengoes - 12-5-2012 at 01:20 PM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Greengoes, I don't think you read Kashey Dog's very informative article that states specifically that Trump's children claim they were in on this from the start. So, no one "slid" Trump's name in on the project. BTW, who is Sol?


Get a coffee Doc, kick that comprehension up. The developers went to Trump Inc., ran a ramadula to some division to get the rights to use the Trump name by paying for the privilege. So yea, they were in at the start. It wasn't their brain fart to build this dream location condo.

Trump isn't paying the judgement, the developers are which happens to be a separate entity from Trump Inc.

Sol is my in house bookie....

greengoes - 12-5-2012 at 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I am not Jewish, Greengoes, so what do expect when it comes to Finances fro me?


What a person's religion is has no correlation on their financial and legal understanding. Try using google to find the best financial and legal minds, dead or alive. I am sure you will find a wonderful and most surprising diversity.

Careful, your slip is showing.

bajaguy - 12-5-2012 at 02:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I am not Jewish, Greengoes, so what do expect when it comes to Finances fro me?





Sounds like a stereotypical racist comment

EnsenadaDr - 12-5-2012 at 03:34 PM

It was a compliment to the Jewish race, they are known successes in the movie business and making money. I dated several Jewish men in my life, and have nothing but respect for them. Sounds to me like there is little room for a sense of humor and levity.
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Originally posted by bajaguy
Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I am not Jewish, Greengoes, so what do expect when it comes to Finances fro me?





Sounds like a stereotypical racist comment

QUETZALCOATL - 12-5-2012 at 04:54 PM

Got to love this site-only here if someone says the beach has sand will there be a dispute.:yes:

[Edited on 12-5-2012 by QUETZALCOATL]

DENNIS - 12-5-2012 at 04:58 PM

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Originally posted by QUETZALCOATL
Got to love this site-only here if someone says the beach has sand will there be a dispute.:yes:



Especially if the reference is to the beach in front of the defunct Trump Towers which had raw sewage. :fire:

EnsenadaDr - 12-5-2012 at 05:22 PM

Ah so that is why they needed to have a sewage treatment plant...to treat the untreated sewage that was floating in the waters in the front of the Trump beach, or was that a joke, Dennis?

DENNIS - 12-5-2012 at 05:30 PM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Ah so that is why they needed to have a sewage treatment plant...to treat the untreated sewage that was floating in the waters in the front of the Trump beach, or was that a joke, Dennis?



No joke. Right across the Toll Road is a sewage treatment plant that sends it's runoff across the street to the beach.
Travelling south on the Toll Road, you can easily see the terrain around the plant. It looks like a rain forrest with Palm Trees, all nourished by recycled Baja-Med and Corona Beer.

EnsenadaDr - 12-5-2012 at 05:43 PM

I know that, but the question is was the sewage treatment plant treating the sewage or letting raw sewage run into the ocean? It sure smells like raw sewage. The other question is, was the developer aware of this and was the reason they nixed the project because they were told they had to build a sewage treatment plant of their own?

DENNIS - 12-5-2012 at 06:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I know that, but the question is was the sewage treatment plant treating the sewage or letting raw sewage run into the ocean? It sure smells like raw sewage. The other question is, was the developer aware of this and was the reason they nixed the project because they were told they had to build a sewage treatment plant of their own?



You'll have to direct these questions to The Donald. All I know is what I recall......complaints of raw sewage coming from a pipe onto the beach and into the water from across the street. It probably hasn't changed.



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[Edited on 12-6-2012 by DENNIS]

MsTerieus - 12-8-2012 at 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
It was a compliment to the Jewish race, they are known successes in the movie business and making money. I dated several Jewish men in my life, and have nothing but respect for them. Sounds to me like there is little room for a sense of humor and levity.
Quote:
Originally posted by bajaguy
Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I am not Jewish, Greengoes, so what do expect when it comes to Finances fro me?


Sounds like a stereotypical racist comment



It was no compliment; it was offensive.

[Edited on 12-8-2012 by MsTerieus]

greengoes - 12-8-2012 at 01:30 PM

Driving past that area always brings up the old joke "It smells like an elephant heard just passed by."

Virtually all the hotels and restaurants on the ocean run their sewage into the sea. Outside Belio's one Sunday brunch the wind off the ocean brought the elephant heard to mind. I am sure the Coral has the same setup but I never bothered to look for their run-off. I assume it is by the marina.

I won't bother mentioning Popotla. :)

EnsenadaDr - 12-8-2012 at 02:35 PM

Give me a break, you know me personally and you know I am not racist, if someone made a joke about Italians I wouldn't take it personally.
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Originally posted by MsTerieus
Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
It was a compliment to the Jewish race, they are known successes in the movie business and making money. I dated several Jewish men in my life, and have nothing but respect for them. Sounds to me like there is little room for a sense of humor and levity.
Quote:
Originally posted by bajaguy
Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I am not Jewish, Greengoes, so what do expect when it comes to Finances fro me?


Sounds like a stereotypical racist comment



It was no compliment; it was offensive.

[Edited on 12-8-2012 by MsTerieus]

EnsenadaDr - 12-8-2012 at 02:37 PM

so they don't treat sewage in Mexico, or that sewage treatment plant by Trump's proposed resort does nothing to the raw sewage?
Quote:
Originally posted by greengoes
Driving past that area always brings up the old joke "It smells like an elephant heard just passed by."

Virtually all the hotels and restaurants on the ocean run their sewage into the sea. Outside Belio's one Sunday brunch the wind off the ocean brought the elephant heard to mind. I am sure the Coral has the same setup but I never bothered to look for their run-off. I assume it is by the marina.

I won't bother mentioning Popotla. :)

DENNIS - 12-8-2012 at 03:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
so they don't treat sewage in Mexico, or that sewage treatment plant by Trump's proposed resort does nothing to the raw sewage.


They sort through it by hand and classify it by size. Then, they make an educated guess as to which restaurant it came from and they tax the business accordingly.
That's what I've been told anyway. :saint:




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[Edited on 12-8-2012 by DENNIS]

EnsenadaDr - 12-8-2012 at 03:14 PM

Dennis, I would imagine that most of the coastline sewage up that way comes from private homes in developments such as Real del Mar and San Antonio del Mar. And most of it is in a liquified state after reaching the sewage treatment plant. Sorry to burst your bubble on a potential job opportunity!!
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Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
so they don't treat sewage in Mexico, or that sewage treatment plant by Trump's proposed resort does nothing to the raw sewage.


They sort through it by hand and classify it by size. Then, they make an educated guess as to which restaurant it came from and they tax the business accordingly.
That's what I've been told anyway. :saint:




.

[Edited on 12-8-2012 by DENNIS]

willardguy - 12-8-2012 at 03:55 PM

yeah it would be great if mexico would start to address the problem of coastal sewage treatment, they did an amazing job in tijuana so they have the tools, like all else it comes down to funding I suppose.
then again who are we to talk with some of california's most famous beach's being the biggest offenders.

EnsenadaDr - 12-8-2012 at 03:58 PM

so they don't treat the sewage on California's coastline? Everytime my son went surfing in La Jolla, he would come down with a sinus infection, probably from all the bacteria in the water.
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Originally posted by willardguy
yeah it would be great if mexico would start to address the problem of coastal sewage treatment, they did an amazing job in tijuana so they have the tools, like all else it comes down to funding I suppose.
then again who are we to talk with some of california's most famous beach's being the biggest offenders.

willardguy - 12-8-2012 at 04:12 PM

the sewage is treated, thats not the problem. californias polluted beaches come from run off, storm drains. none of this chit is treated or even filtered in most communities.

woody with a view - 12-8-2012 at 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by willardguy
yeah it would be great if mexico would start to address the problem of coastal sewage treatment, they did an amazing job in tijuana so they have the tools, like all else it comes down to funding I suppose.
then again who are we to talk with some of california's most famous beach's being the biggest offenders.


except california dumps its treated sewage miles offshore for the currents to disperse. Mexico lets its treated sewage run down a hillside, under a highway and across a beach dumping right into ankle deep water. Oh, and they also rely on another country to treat their sewage before it dumps into a riverbed and finds its way onto another countries shores.

just saying....

[Edited on 12-8-2012 by woody with a view]

willardguy - 12-8-2012 at 04:37 PM

well yes and no.
the sewage and runoff you see running into the ocean needs to be addressed.
right now all the treated sewage from the san ysidro plant is pumped two miles off shore to the southbay ocean outfall. the treated sewage from the other smaller plants is dumped into the tijuana river.
ALL the treated sewage meets standards at or above the level of cleanliness by san diego standards.
hey these folks are trying.

DENNIS - 12-8-2012 at 04:41 PM

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Originally posted by willardguy
hey these folks are trying.


Remember when Brian Bilbray drove a bulldozer down into the Tijuana River valley to dam up the raw sewage from Mexico ending up on Coronado beaches?
Great photo op if nothing else.

woody with a view - 12-8-2012 at 06:54 PM

yes and yes. 1) it needs to be addressed. 2) another country treats Mexican sewage so it doesn't pollute the non Mexican beaches.

Paraphrasing the Immortal Words of Dan Ackroyd

Gypsy Jan - 12-8-2012 at 08:37 PM

"You are an ignorant ****!"

Ensenada Dr you made a blatantly racist and stupid remark.

Choosing to be a member of the Jewish religion is not a racial designation; it is a life choice driven by belief and commitment.

And this opinion is coming from a non-denominational Christian who becomes really irritated when some people expose their prejudices.

EnsenadaDr - 12-9-2012 at 12:12 AM

A quote from the Jerusalem Post, Gypsy.

"Considering their small numbers, Jews have fared disproportionately well in lists of the world’s most powerful and richest people, as well as in Nobel Prizes."

I suppose then, that you are calling the writers of the Jerusalem Post ignorant as well about their own religion. Read what they are saying here about Jewish influence around the world.

http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishFeatures/Article.aspx...

So, its ok for Jews to talk about how successful they are, but no one else can?

[Edited on 12-9-2012 by EnsenadaDr]

[Edited on 12-9-2012 by EnsenadaDr]

wessongroup - 12-9-2012 at 09:02 AM

Maybe we should calm down a bit, was once asked by my employer, "are you part jewish?" ---- he was the Chairman of the Bank, and happened to be Jewish --

We tended to have the same approach to "business" -- reduce risk, cut cost and increase the bottom line and treat your customers "right" and always ask for the order

Didn't find anything "wrong" with that approach IMHO

greengoes - 12-9-2012 at 11:04 AM

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Originally posted by wessongroup
Maybe we should calm down a bit


Agreed, this thread has moved into the realm of the OT. Even an Independent has to support the 1st Amendment. If you Google hate sites you can find a wonderful and diverse collection.

I ran across hate sites for Eskimos, Bird Watchers, Monaco, Lindsay Lohan, Mexico and The United States.

The Doctora has a track record of making statements that can go both ways or fly off into left field. Her agenda is constantly morphing.

She should be a good influence on on her BFF here on Nomads.

I have 2 1/2 cats.

DENNIS - 12-9-2012 at 11:07 AM

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Originally posted by greengoes
She should be a good influence on on her BFF here on Nomads.



OK....what's a BFF?

willardguy - 12-9-2012 at 11:13 AM

I dont know anything about this jewish stuff but I think we've all had about enough of those bird watchers!:biggrin:

greengoes - 12-9-2012 at 11:45 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

OK....what's a BFF?


Best Friend Forever

I think it was coined by Paris Hilton
:lol::lol:

Dennis, not all "fun" words start with "F"

thebajarunner - 12-9-2012 at 06:23 PM

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Originally posted by greengoes
Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS

OK....what's a BFF?


Best Friend Forever

I think it was coined by Paris Hilton
:lol::lol:


Betcha had another thought there, amigo

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

DENNIS - 12-9-2012 at 07:14 PM

It stimulated my imagination, for sure. :lol:

TRUMP IS A PUSSY

durrelllrobert - 12-10-2012 at 10:54 AM

MsTerieus - 12-10-2012 at 12:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Gypsy Jan
"You are an ignorant ****!"

Ensenada Dr you made a blatantly racist and stupid remark.

Choosing to be a member of the Jewish religion is not a racial designation; it is a life choice driven by belief and commitment.

And this opinion is coming from a non-denominational Christian who becomes really irritated when some people expose their prejudices.


While I don't totally disagree with your sentiments regarding the remark, I do take issue with your characterization of what makes a person Jewish. True, it is not a "race", but it is not simply some "life choice," by any means, and it puzzles me why a Christian who obviously has not studied Jewish history or laws would volunteer such an opinion.

MsTerieus - 12-10-2012 at 12:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
A quote from the Jerusalem Post, Gypsy.

"Considering their small numbers, Jews have fared disproportionately well in lists of the world’s most powerful and richest people, as well as in Nobel Prizes."

I suppose then, that you are calling the writers of the Jerusalem Post ignorant as well about their own religion. Read what they are saying here about Jewish influence around the world.

http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishFeatures/Article.aspx...

So, its ok for Jews to talk about how successful they are, but no one else can?



This is pathetic "support" for your position. Please quit while you are ahead, Doctor!

EnsenadaDr - 12-10-2012 at 01:19 PM

Maybe because I'm half Italian, I don't understand why I am ahead. I also want to know why the Jerusalem Post can say Jews are successful but I can't.
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Originally posted by MsTerieus
Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
A quote from the Jerusalem Post, Gypsy.

"Considering their small numbers, Jews have fared disproportionately well in lists of the world’s most powerful and richest people, as well as in Nobel Prizes."

I suppose then, that you are calling the writers of the Jerusalem Post ignorant as well about their own religion. Read what they are saying here about Jewish influence around the world.

http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishFeatures/Article.aspx...

So, its ok for Jews to talk about how successful they are, but no one else can?



This is pathetic "support" for your position. Please quit while you are ahead, Doctor!

Barry A. - 12-10-2012 at 01:53 PM

You are not the only one mystified about all this talk of being "offended", Doctor, or "quitting while you are ahead". I see nothing wrong in what you said, and additionally I have no idea what Gypsy Jan and Mysterios are talking about. :?:

Barry

DENNIS - 12-10-2012 at 02:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
You are not the only one mystified about all this talk of being "offended", Doctor, or "quitting while you are ahead". I see nothing wrong in what you said, and additionally I have no idea what Gypsy Jan and Mysterios are talking about. :?:

Barry


Nor do they, Barry. To me, it just looked like a cheap-shot opportunity to go on the attack. Totally baseless from where I sit.

Who is my BFF on Nomads, Greengoes, enlighten me...

EnsenadaDr - 12-10-2012 at 02:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by greengoes
Quote:
Originally posted by wessongroup
Maybe we should calm down a bit


Agreed, this thread has moved into the realm of the OT. Even an Independent has to support the 1st Amendment. If you Google hate sites you can find a wonderful and diverse collection.

I ran across hate sites for Eskimos, Bird Watchers, Monaco, Lindsay Lohan, Mexico and The United States.

The Doctora has a track record of making statements that can go both ways or fly off into left field. Her agenda is constantly morphing.

She should be a good influence on on her BFF here on Nomads.

I have 2 1/2 cats.


[Edited on 12-10-2012 by EnsenadaDr]

MsTerieus - 12-10-2012 at 03:03 PM

As to quips about Jews and money, see:

http://www.adl.org/Anti_semitism/jewsandmoney/default.asp

As to "choosing to be" Jewish, I wonder how many Jews on their way to the ovens would have said it was a "choice."

Merry Christmas everyone, and Happy Chanukah, from this secular Jew.

http://www.jewfaq.org/judaism.htm

EnsenadaDr - 12-10-2012 at 03:07 PM

So, then you are saying that the Jerusalem Post is exhibiting anti-Semitic and stereotypic beliefs? Are you saying that the newspaper is publishing false material?

DENNIS - 12-10-2012 at 03:12 PM

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Originally posted by MsTerieus

As to "choosing to be" Jewish, I wonder how many Jews on their way to the ovens would have said it was a "choice."

Merry Christmas everyone, and Happy Chanukah, from this secular Jew.



The incongruity of your two statements is overwhelming and inappropriate.......not to mention, uncalled for.

MsTerieus - 12-10-2012 at 03:55 PM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
So, then you are saying that the Jerusalem Post is exhibiting anti-Semitic and stereotypic beliefs? Are you saying that the newspaper is publishing false material?


Not at all. What I said was that your remark was offensive - a sentiment obviously shared by others who have posted here. If you "don't get it," I can't help you further; try reading the material to which I pointed you.

LOL - By strange coincidence, book to which the link refers was endorsed by Donald Trump (!) - unfortunately. ;)

[Edited on 12-10-2012 by MsTerieus]

Barry A. - 12-10-2012 at 05:28 PM

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Originally posted by MsTerieus
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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
So, then you are saying that the Jerusalem Post is exhibiting anti-Semitic and stereotypic beliefs? Are you saying that the newspaper is publishing false material?


Not at all. What I said was that your remark was offensive - a sentiment obviously shared by others who have posted here. If you "don't get it," I can't help you further; try reading the material to which I pointed you.

LOL - By strange coincidence, book to which the link refers was endorsed by Donald Trump (!) - unfortunately. ;)

[Edited on 12-10-2012 by MsTerieus]


Well, I STILL "don't get it", and I don't understand your second paragraph, either.

Just for the record---I deeply admire the Jews, always have, and support them verbally, and have several Jewish friends. I especially admire their business acumen, and their incredible scientific contributions to the world over many years.

Barry

David K - 12-10-2012 at 05:44 PM

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Originally posted by Barry A.
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Originally posted by MsTerieus
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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
So, then you are saying that the Jerusalem Post is exhibiting anti-Semitic and stereotypic beliefs? Are you saying that the newspaper is publishing false material?


Not at all. What I said was that your remark was offensive - a sentiment obviously shared by others who have posted here. If you "don't get it," I can't help you further; try reading the material to which I pointed you.

LOL - By strange coincidence, book to which the link refers was endorsed by Donald Trump (!) - unfortunately. ;)

[Edited on 12-10-2012 by MsTerieus]


Well, I STILL "don't get it", and I don't understand your second paragraph, either.

Just for the record---I deeply admire the Jews, always have, and support them verbally, and have several Jewish friends. I especially admire their business acumen, and their incredible scientific contributions to the world over many years.

Barry


Ditto to what Barry said, I also have a brother who (with his family) is a Jew... and Shalom to you all!:light:

MsTerieus - 12-10-2012 at 06:19 PM

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Originally posted by Barry A.
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Originally posted by MsTerieus

Not at all. What I said was that your remark was offensive - a sentiment obviously shared by others who have posted here. If you "don't get it," I can't help you further; try reading the material to which I pointed you.

LOL - By strange coincidence, book to which the link refers was endorsed by Donald Trump (!) - unfortunately. ;)

[Edited on 12-10-2012 by MsTerieus]


Well, I STILL "don't get it", and I don't understand your second paragraph, either.

Just for the record---I deeply admire the Jews, always have, and support them verbally, and have several Jewish friends. I especially admire their business acumen, and their incredible scientific contributions to the world over many years.

Barry


My second paragraph refers to the page my link leads to regarding books such as "Jews and Money - The Story of a Stereotype." I noted after posting that one of the endorsements listed there is by Donald Trump. Coincidental, I thought, since this thread was intended to be about Donald Trump, not Jews. Unfortunate because the Donald is not my favorite person and I'd just as soon he had not endorsed the book.

Nice that some non-Jews posting here "respect" and/or "admire" Jews. I could not possibly generalize in that manner. Some I respect and admire, some I do not. Oh - some of my best friends are Christians. ;)

willardguy - 12-10-2012 at 06:30 PM

blinkin, id like you to meet achoo....

a jew? here?