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THE HISTORY GAMES (bows and arrows optional)

David K - 12-25-2012 at 09:35 AM

You guys are so good, and have been answering so fast, I need to turn up the difficulty or quantity factor! LOL Take a stab at any or all the questions...

The following multiple questions permit multiple players to engage in answering.

*There were 27 Spanish Missions that operated in Baja California and were founded from 1697 to 1834.


Game 1:
a) How many were founded by the Jesuits,
b) how many by the Franciscans and
c) how many by the Dominicans?

Game 2:
Of the 27 missions, name as many as you can that were never moved from the original founding location... Over half were moved one or more times!
(clues: 8 Jesuit, 6 Dominican)

Game 3:
a) How many missions (in Baja) were founded AFTER Mexico declared its independence from Spain?
b) How many after Mexico won the war for independence?

Game 4:
a) Which mission was planned for years to be called Dolores del Norte, but when money became available, the benefactor wanted a different name used. (So much was written about Dolores del Norte, many thought it was a lost mission or applied the name to other ruins found in the desert).
b) What was significant about the name finally used?


Answer as many of the above as you want... Please put the question number first, so we know what you are answering, ie. Game 4a: 'San Luis Rey' (incorrect answer),
Game 1b: 22 (incorrect answer), etc.

[Edited on 12-26-2012 by David K]

David K - 12-26-2012 at 04:04 PM

No guesses yet? Too much like schoolwork? Sorry!

Here are the answers:

Game 1:
a) How many were founded by the Jesuits: 17
b) how many by the Franciscans: 1
c) how many by the Dominicans: 9

Game 2: Missions that didn't move:
Loreto,
Ligui,
Mulege,
Guadalupe de Huasinapi,
San Ignacio,
Santa Rosa,
San Luis Gonzaga,
Santa Gertrudis,
San Borja,
San Fernando,
San Vicente,
Santa Catalina,
Guadalupe

Game 3:
a) How many missions (in Baja) were founded AFTER Mexico declared its independence from Spain?: 2
b) How many after Mexico won the war for independence?: 1

Game 4:
a) Which mission was planned for years to be called Dolores del Norte, but when money became available, the benefactor wanted a different name used. (So much was written about Dolores del Norte, many thought it was a lost mission or applied the name to other ruins found in the desert).: Santa Gertrudis

b) What was significant about the name finally used?: Benefactor's wife's name.

[Edited on 12-26-2012 by David K]

New Question... Geologic History

David K - 12-26-2012 at 04:10 PM

In what year did Tres Virgenes volcano last erupt as documented by the Jesuit padres.

mtgoat666 - 12-26-2012 at 04:13 PM

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Originally posted by David K

The following multiple questions permit multiple players to engage in answering.

Game 1:
a) How many were founded by the Jesuits,
b) how many by the Franciscans and
c) how many by the Dominicans?


i am not catholic and i did not go to grade school in california, so i don't even know if there is a difference between a jesuit and a franciscan! which ones answer to the pope?

[Edited on 12-26-2012 by mtgoat666]

David K - 12-26-2012 at 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
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Originally posted by David K

The following multiple questions permit multiple players to engage in answering.

Game 1:
a) How many were founded by the Jesuits,
b) how many by the Franciscans and
c) how many by the Dominicans?


i am not catholic and i did not go to grade school in california, so i don't even know if there is a difference between a jesuit and a franciscan! which ones answer to the pope?

[Edited on 12-26-2012 by mtgoat666]


Neither am I, but there are 'Orders' or separate groups inside the Roman Catholic Church that established missions around the world.

The Jesuits, Franciscans and Dominicans worked side-by-side in the New World, but in various separate regions. The Jesuits were the first missionaries in California (Baja) and were replaced by the Franciscans in 1768. The Franciscans convinced the Dominicans to take over the missions on the peninsula after 5 years, so they could work exclusively in Alta California.

[Edited on 12-28-2012 by David K]

David K - 12-27-2012 at 10:38 AM

No guess on the volcano's last eruption? Hint: it is on the 1757 Jesuit map!

David K - 12-27-2012 at 11:21 PM

Really?

Here you go...

mtgoat666 - 12-28-2012 at 08:38 AM

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Originally posted by David K
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Originally posted by mtgoat666
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Originally posted by David K

The following multiple questions permit multiple players to engage in answering.

Game 1:
a) How many were founded by the Jesuits,
b) how many by the Franciscans and
c) how many by the Dominicans?


i am not catholic and i did not go to grade school in california, so i don't even know if there is a difference between a jesuit and a franciscan! which ones answer to the pope?

[Edited on 12-26-2012 by mtgoat666]


Neither am I,


you wrote a book about missions - seems like first thing that goes in such a book is who built the missions. you should do some research and publish an addendum, eh? tell us what the difference was between the sects!

p.s. i hear that the da vinci code was fictional, but some say it was true,...
much of what i learned about the catholic church i learned from horror movies! :lol::lol::lol: exorcist was enlightening

David K - 12-28-2012 at 09:57 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
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Originally posted by David K
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Originally posted by mtgoat666
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Originally posted by David K

The following multiple questions permit multiple players to engage in answering.

Game 1:
a) How many were founded by the Jesuits,
b) how many by the Franciscans and
c) how many by the Dominicans?


i am not catholic and i did not go to grade school in california, so i don't even know if there is a difference between a jesuit and a franciscan! which ones answer to the pope?

[Edited on 12-26-2012 by mtgoat666]


Neither am I,


you wrote a book about missions - seems like first thing that goes in such a book is who built the missions. you should do some research and publish an addendum, eh? tell us what the difference was between the sects!

p.s. i hear that the da vinci code was fictional, but some say it was true,...
much of what i learned about the catholic church i learned from horror movies! :lol::lol::lol: exorcist was enlightening


Did I not already answer this for you?
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Originally posted by David K
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Originally posted by mtgoat666
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Originally posted by David K

The following multiple questions permit multiple players to engage in answering.

Game 1:
a) How many were founded by the Jesuits,
b) how many by the Franciscans and
c) how many by the Dominicans?


i am not catholic and i did not go to grade school in california, so i don't even know if there is a difference between a jesuit and a franciscan! which ones answer to the pope?

[Edited on 12-26-2012 by mtgoat666]


Neither am I, but there are 'Orders' or separate groups inside the Roman Catholic Church that established missions around the world.

The Jesuits, Franciscans and Dominicans worked side-by-side in the New World, but in various separate regions. The Jesuits were the first missionaries in California (Baja) and were replaced by the Franciscans in 1768. The Franciscans convinced the Dominicans to take over the missions on the peninsula after 5 years, so they could work exclusively in Alta California.


[Edited on 12-28-2012 by David K]

Bajatripper - 12-28-2012 at 09:59 AM

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Originally posted by David K
No guess on the volcano's last eruption? Hint: it is on the 1757 Jesuit map!


I seem to recall reading somewhere that the Tres Virgenes Volcano last erupted in the mid-1800s, 1865 or so comes to mind. But at the moment my Baja books are not accessible, so can't even begin to do the research.

David K - 12-28-2012 at 10:01 AM

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Originally posted by Bajatripper
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Originally posted by David K
No guess on the volcano's last eruption? Hint: it is on the 1757 Jesuit map!


I seem to recall reading somewhere that the Tres Virgenes Volcano last erupted in the mid-1800s, 1865 or so comes to mind. But at the moment my Baja books are not accessible, so can't even begin to do the research.


Oh really? OK, cool... I will do some digging! Thanks Steve! Hey, did you find any work for me too? :light:

David K - 12-28-2012 at 10:03 AM

On Wiki:

The last eruption of the volcanoes in the complex was of El Virgen, but the date is disputed. A map drawn by the Croatian Jesuit missionary Ferdinand Konščak contains a reference to an eruption in 1746.[2] Radiometric datings, however, do not agree with this. A charcoal fragment found in a volcanic deposit was dated at approximately 6515 years before present.[3] A basaltic lava flow, which must be younger than the actual eruption, was dated at approximately 24 thousand years B.P.[4] which agrees with a dating of tephra fragments from El Virgen that yielded an age of approximately 36 thousand years B.P. for the eruption.[5]

David K - 12-28-2012 at 10:07 AM

Global Volcanism Program:

The Tres Vírgenes volcanic complex contains the only large stratovolcanoes in Baja California. The roughly 1940-m-high complex rises above the Gulf of California in the east-central part of the peninsula. Three volcanoes, El Viejo, El Azufre, and La Vírgen were constructed along a NE-SW line and are progressively younger to the SW. The youngest volcano, La Vírgen, is an andesitic stratovolcano with numerous dacitic lava domes and lava flows on its flanks. A major plinian explosive eruption from a SW-flank vent was radiocarbon dated at about 6500 years ago, but Helium exposure and Uranium-series dates give a late-Pleistocene age for this event. An ash plume was reported from Tres Vírgenes volcano by a Spanish Jesuit priest while navigating the Gulf of California in 1746. No tephra deposits from such a young eruption have been found, but young undated andesitic lava flows at the summit could potentially be related to this event. A geothermal plant is located at the northern end of the complex near the margin of the Pleistocene El Aguajito caldera.

mtgoat666 - 12-28-2012 at 10:32 AM

A Franciscan, and Dominican, and a Jesuit were out playing golf one day. They were moving along the course quite well, until they got stuck behind a group of golfers who were taking quite a long time and weren't letting anyone else play through. Feeling a little frustrated, the three went up to the head of the group and asked what was going on. He told the three priests that they were part of a special program that allowed the blind to play golf. Each blind person was paired off with a sighted player who would help him line up the shot and give him advice on what else to do.

The Franciscan was deeply edified by this display of generosity. He apologized for being so pushy, and announced that he was so impressed by this example of service that he would incorporate it into his own prayer and service to the poor. The Dominican, too, was touched by their example, and declared that he would use this display of service in his preaching, and help others to work with those in need around them.

The Jesuit, finally, was deeply moved by their ministry. He took the fellow aside and encouraged him to continue with his work. However, he had to add one qualification: "Don't you think it would be a lot easier for everyone if they played at night?"

mtgoat666 - 12-28-2012 at 10:59 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
...there are 'Orders' or separate groups inside the Roman Catholic Church that established missions around the world.

The Jesuits, Franciscans and Dominicans worked side-by-side in the New World, but in various separate regions. The Jesuits were the first missionaries in California (Baja) and were replaced by the Franciscans in 1768. The Franciscans convinced the Dominicans to take over the missions on the peninsula after 5 years, so they could work excessively in Alta California.


"worked side-by-side?"

Jesuits were forcibly expelled, rounded up in Loreto, sent into exile,... where did they go, Corsica?

David K - 12-28-2012 at 11:34 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
A Franciscan, and Dominican, and a Jesuit were out playing golf one day. They were moving along the course quite well, until they got stuck behind a group of golfers who were taking quite a long time and weren't letting anyone else play through. Feeling a little frustrated, the three went up to the head of the group and asked what was going on. He told the three priests that they were part of a special program that allowed the blind to play golf. Each blind person was paired off with a sighted player who would help him line up the shot and give him advice on what else to do.

The Franciscan was deeply edified by this display of generosity. He apologized for being so pushy, and announced that he was so impressed by this example of service that he would incorporate it into his own prayer and service to the poor. The Dominican, too, was touched by their example, and declared that he would use this display of service in his preaching, and help others to work with those in need around them.

The Jesuit, finally, was deeply moved by their ministry. He took the fellow aside and encouraged him to continue with his work. However, he had to add one qualification: "Don't you think it would be a lot easier for everyone if they played at night?"


Sounds like you know them far better than I!:light:

David K - 12-28-2012 at 11:36 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
...there are 'Orders' or separate groups inside the Roman Catholic Church that established missions around the world.

The Jesuits, Franciscans and Dominicans worked side-by-side in the New World, but in various separate regions. The Jesuits were the first missionaries in California (Baja) and were replaced by the Franciscans in 1768. The Franciscans convinced the Dominicans to take over the missions on the peninsula after 5 years, so they could work exclusively in Alta California.


"worked side-by-side?"

Jesuits were forcibly expelled, rounded up in Loreto, sent into exile,... where did they go, Corsica?


I am talking about the years, centuries before the 1767 expulsion order. They were sent back to Europe and eventually to each country they were from... the ones that survived the trip back!