BajaNomad - Baja Calif. Almanac map book back in circulation... in 2013.

Just got this email from Discover Baja Travel Club:

Dear Discover Baja Members:

The BAJA CALIFORNIA ALMANAC is BAAAAC!!!!

We have an abundance of copies, so, if you or your friends need one we will be happy to help you. Just call the office--800-727-2252.

We also have two new laminated fold-up field guides in stock. One is "Mexico Tropical Fruit" and the other is "Mexico Flowers-Flores". Each is $7.95 with a 10% discount for members.

Current gas prices in Baja are:
Regular $3.30
Premius $3.45
Diesel $3.42

Peso exchange is 12.26 pesos per dollar.

Hope you're planning your 2013 trip to "warm" Baja. Let us help.

Saludos,
Carol, Hugh, Mayth� and Monica (plus our 4-legged greeters Kaley and Darla)

What are the chances of finding any more of these? PDF version?

David K - 2-9-2018 at 11:47 PM

Well, this is a five year old thread. However, until recently, new 2009 Almanacs were still being sold by Baja Bound. Keep tuned in for future announcements about abailability.

BigBearRider - 2-10-2018 at 07:51 AM

I got my hopes up for a moment there.

Mateo-Feo - 2-10-2018 at 07:56 AM

Yeah sorry to do that I knew this was from way back. I just figured someone had an electronic version by now.

BigBearRider - 2-10-2018 at 08:19 AM

I have a hard copy, but it would be nice to have another one.

Alan - 2-10-2018 at 10:38 AM

Really had me going with that peso exchange rate :biggrin:

Desertbull - 2-10-2018 at 02:10 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Mateo-Feo

Yeah sorry to do that I knew this was from way back. I just figured someone had an electronic version by now.

I had the entire Baja Almanac scanned digitally high-resolution and made CD's available to people for $40 each in order to recover the scanning costs at one time, however, Landon, the owner of the Baja Almanac, asked me to stop so we abandoned the project.

The latest price I saw on eBay for a brand new Baja Almanac is $300 ...

The question is will DK's new map be digitally available for purchase when its complete?

David K - 2-10-2018 at 03:18 PM

My "new map" is no Almanac, sorry. It is made to show the roads and places in my road guide. The good news is they are all here on Nomad, for free. Just go to the Road Conditions forum. There are 30 maps covering most of the peninsula and they not only represent my efforts but also the input by other Nomads, too!

It is the hope that we can provide a revised Baja Almanac someday. Perhaps Desert Bull with his much more frequent travels and scans can be convinced to be a part of a new Almanac?

Ateo - 2-10-2018 at 03:30 PM

I have laminated and bound Baja Almanac that I will sell anyone for five thousand dollars. :biggrin:

Desertbull - 2-11-2018 at 10:46 AM

My "new map" is no Almanac, sorry. It is made to show the roads and places in my road guide. The good news is they are all here on Nomad, for free. Just go to the Road Conditions forum. There are 30 maps covering most of the peninsula and they not only represent my efforts but also the input by other Nomads, too!

It is the hope that we can provide a revised Baja Almanac someday. Perhaps Desert Bull with his much more frequent travels and scans can be convinced to be a part of a new Almanac?

Sadly I cannot be part of any new Almanac. I'm in retired life now and busier traveling and exploring now then I've ever been. Sorry I'm OUT...

Plus E32 Cartografia from Victor and his compadres is WAY WAY better then the Baja Almanac ever was. Get out and explore! Side roads are my life.

[Edited on 2-11-2018 by Desertbull]

KurtG - 2-22-2018 at 11:17 PM

Quote: Originally posted by stiladam

Strange...Not a single Nomad has anything to say about pirate copies of this amazing piece of work being sold for profit?

I know the original author has passed away but the copyright doesn't die with the owner.

Not strange at all. This was discussed at length in the past.
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=86829&pag...

mcnut - 2-22-2018 at 11:20 PM

"eBay User ID Effective Date End Date
explorebaja Feb-12-18 Present
mrdirtnewz Dec-10-11 Feb-12-18
dirtnewz Oct-22-11 Dec-10-11
teamdesertbull Mar-19-02 Oct-22-11 <-----------------"

Interesting.
Can you provide a link documenting this information? I would like to see the source data.

Bruce

[Edited on 2-23-2018 by mcnut]

David K - 2-23-2018 at 10:39 AM

Hi stiladam,
The thread link that Kurt posted (but may not work for everyone because page numbers are different depending on your Nomad settings) is http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=86829

I have enthusiastically promoted Landon's publications. They are indeed the best maps, even with the many errors. All maps have errors or almost all!

Landon did not "make" those maps but instead published maps made by the Mexican government... He did add to them, a lot... mileages, names, etc. That makes them HIS maps, no doubt.

Now, the maps were printed in California and if you read the threads mentioned, you will see that both Baja Bound and Discover Baja had received new 2009 Almanacs to sell. You see, because Landon died, the printer hadn't finished doing business with him and wants to still sell the inventory.

Not all may be illegal copies of the original. Some of us bought extra copies to cherish and save... maybe resell in the future?

I have been asked to revise the Almanac and that would be wonderful if I could. Believe me, we have tried to secure the deal or just go back to INEGI and do what Landon did for his many editions of the Baja Topo Atlas and Almanacs (1986, 1991, ~1998, 2003, 2009).

The copyright law protects the value while the book is still available new from dealers or the publisher. After the book is no longer sold, demand for it is why duplicates get made.

Here again are Landon's map books:

All produced by Landon Crumpton...

Top left: 1986 Baja Topo Atlas
Bottom left: 1991 Baja Topo Atlas
Center top: ~1998 Baja California Almanac (Norte and Sur editions)
Center bottom: 2003 Baja California Almanac
Right: 2009 Baja California Almanac

David K - 2-23-2018 at 11:18 AM

Quote: Originally posted by stiladam

The source material doesn't matter. The copyright does.

I totally understand why people would share duplicates on a personal level to a buddy, but to make your own copies and sell them to unsuspecting buyers AS ORIGINALS at $250 each?

You're okay with this?

Let's all just knock off the Missions book as a pdf and share it then

[Edited on 2-23-2018 by stiladam]

I don't think I said anywhere I was ok with it. Just saying it was so good that if the publisher doesn't want to make any more then it can happen. Now, Landon was his own publisher using a printing company. So, both the publisher and author are gone and we have a printer that had inventory. I just wanted you to know why new 2009 books were still being sold in 2017.

The mission book is still in demand and for sale by me (see link below in my signature?) and my distributors. Sunbelt Publications is my prime distributor and that is how my book is on Amazon and Barnes and Noble, too. I just printed 200 more copies and they have 20 new photos and 20 pages with updated text from my many trips in 2017.

So, no need to go to the trouble and high cost of printing any pirate copies! LOL; wait until the book is no longer available new and I am dead or too old to care!!! Heck, if anyone wants to buy 10 or more copies from me, they can get them at the wholesale price... and resell them if they want to!!! I offer that price to schools and organizations, too. Baja was California first and the missions in Baja include the first 18 California missions. All Californians and Southwest or Mexican history fans should know this.

I make it as easy as possible to learn about what happened in Baja from when the Spanish discovered the place (at La Paz), about how they attempted to colonize the peninsula with missions, and events until the last missionaries left La Paz by boat in 1855. Many pages of my book have been shared here on Nomad and on the book's Facebook page: www.facebook.com/oldmissions There is now a GROUP page connected to the original Facebook page for easier communicating and to see the latest mission photos I took last year.

The 2018 printing of Baja California Land of Missions, at the moment, is only available at www.oldmissions.com as it will be a while before this newest version is stocked at other book sources like Amazon.

mcnut - 2-23-2018 at 11:41 AM

"You'll see the available quantity at 10 in this link https://www.ebay.com/itm/BRAND-NEW-Baja-Almanac-Map-book/162... You may need to be logged in to your eBay account to do this: If you click on the feedback number where it says explorebaja (109). Click on the 109 and then click on "View ID history" to the right. You will see "explorebaja" was just created on Feb 12 and one of the old seller ID is "teamdesertbull". You can change your seller ID on eBay."

Thanks for that and I have verified the info Stiladam provided.

Bruce

[Edited on 2-23-2018 by mcnut]

Pappy Jon - 2-25-2018 at 09:53 AM

Quote: Originally posted by stiladam

Why buy pirate when, as somebody has already said, new Almanacs are on ebay, and Amazon? Ya, the price is up there. But, if you want one, and can't find it cheaper .....

Personally, I wish I had bought a few extra of the 2003. Much easier size to carry.

mtgoat666 - 2-25-2018 at 11:32 AM

Are you saying that counterfeit goods are sold on eBay? I am shocked!

David K - 2-25-2018 at 12:06 PM

Mapmakers (cartographers) sometimes put intentional errors in their maps as a copyright protection.

Not sure if that was Landon's doing or he was just up too late when he was making the 2009 Baja Almanac? Back in 2009, BajaLou was the first (I think) Nomad to discover some major errors on the edges of some of the maps...

Here again are those latitude errors:

2009 Almanac latitude corrections to pencil in:

On Maps 5 & 6, the latitude changes to make: All the 31° figures needs to be 30° (the minutes are fine).

On Map 7: All the 31° figures need to be changed to 29° and the one 30° figure needs to be 28°.

Map 12 [RIGHT side only] latitude figures are wrong, they should be the same numbers as on the left side.

Map 18 The degree figures on both sides are wrong: the 25° figures should all be 24°, and the 26° figures should all be 25°.

woody with a view - 2-25-2018 at 02:00 PM

All of the smart ones place errors on their maps. The first thing we were taught when using Thomas Bros for first response was this. Best to know your first in (and environs) and not rely on a map.

[Edited on 2-25-2018 by woody with a view]

stiladam - 2-25-2018 at 02:31 PM

So, I got a message from the seller on FB stating that he bought the remaining original almanacs from the family.

If this is indeed the case, my sincerest apologies.

In my defense, I did have many clues to be suspect: Admitting making unauthorized copies previously, Not answering my inquire on eBay, etc.

I'll just put this to rest and move on and have a Pacifico

Shakespeare said it best

bajaguy - 2-25-2018 at 04:33 PM

Much Ado About Nothing

mtgoat666 - 2-25-2018 at 05:06 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy

Much Ado About Nothing

Huh?

Counterfeiting is stealing!

Respect the copyright!

Thread revival

Stormytama - 1-5-2025 at 02:58 PM

Hey all the baja-almanac website is not working and I wanted to host the 2015 pdf version online on archive.org

Would this help anyone?

[Edited on 1-5-2025 by Stormytama]

Stormytama - 1-5-2025 at 05:56 PM

Hey all the baja-almanac website is not working and I wanted to host the 2015 pdf version online on archive.org

How would you do that? Are you part of the archive.org organizers?

No, anyone can host data there. It’s free and open source data repository.

I just figured it would be a good place to host. Obviously with respect to Landon and all he did for the community pleas this is for personal use not for resale.

https://archive.org/details/baja-alamanac-2

[Edited on 1-6-2025 by Stormytama]

mtgoat666 - 1-5-2025 at 06:01 PM

Hey all the baja-almanac website is not working and I wanted to host the 2015 pdf version online on archive.org

How would you do that? Are you part of the archive.org organizers?

No, anyone can host data there. It’s free and open source data repository.

I just figured it would be a good place to host.

how do you post copyrighted material w/o holding copyright?

Stormytama - 1-5-2025 at 06:22 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Hey all the baja-almanac website is not working and I wanted to host the 2015 pdf version online on archive.org

How would you do that? Are you part of the archive.org organizers?

No, anyone can host data there. It’s free and open source data repository.

I just figured it would be a good place to host.

how do you post copyrighted material w/o holding copyright?

Unsure on the specifics, honestly the baja-almanac website is broke and send people in round about with to many redirects.

This just makes it simple I’ll remove it if it’s going to ruffle too many feathers.

INEGI MAPS

Stormytama - 1-5-2025 at 06:32 PM

https://www.inegi.org.mx/temas/topografia/

also there’s the link to the Mexican Equivalent of USGS maps

Options for 250k 50k 20k maps in various formats and file types

I use Avenza for work and play but the geoPDF and other files will work for most applications

Stormytama - 1-5-2025 at 07:34 PM

Unsure on the specifics, honestly the baja-almanac website is broke and send people in round about with to many redirects.

Uhhh... maybe I don't understand the situation, but my read on it is that you're publishing a copyrighted work without the owner's knowledge or permission.

I'm surprised that archive.org allows people to do that. Seems like they'd be liable. :?:

Big ole negative. I’m not publishing anything. Hosting a file isn’t copyright infringement. Anyhow I’m leaving for baja y’all enjoy the free maps

geoffff - 1-6-2025 at 09:08 PM

I have access to the 2003, 2009, and 2015 Baja Almanacs in PDF format. Let me know if interested.

Stormytama - 1-7-2025 at 07:47 AM

Quote: Originally posted by geoffff

I have access to the 2003, 2009, and 2015 Baja Almanacs in PDF format. Let me know if interested.

I’d be very interested in all three if you don’t mind.

I’ll pm you

Ateo - 1-7-2025 at 08:15 AM

My guess is every map ever made (and every single thing on the internet including this thread and how Nomads scare away every single newbie -- leaving this site with no one left but 14 people) is being consumed by the LLM's of every Big Tech company right now. Enjoy being eaten!!! =)

Stormytama - 1-7-2025 at 08:38 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Ateo

My guess is every map ever made (and every single thing on the internet including this thread and how Nomads scare away every single newbie -- leaving this site with no one left but 14 people) is being consumed by the LLM's of every Big Tech company right now. Enjoy being eaten!!! =)

Very true. Luckily I’m not scared of old nomads being grumpy. I’ve been doing Baja for 30 years I’ll be okay. On your other point though, the data trawling is happening everywhere. I’m looking make the info more accessible for newbies by hosting in a site that actually works.

Enjoi

geoffff - 1-7-2025 at 12:07 PM

message sent

David K - 1-7-2025 at 07:38 PM

For all Nomads, the 2003, 2009, and 2015 Almanacs are all preserved and in very high resolution for map reading, at www.vivabaja.com/maps

PaulW - 1-8-2025 at 11:08 AM

And maybe Stormytama does not know that he can buy the Avenza Maps app for the 2024 Atlas for his phone and have a even better map with the ability of GPS tracking.

And he should be aware that Benchmark also sells book form paper map for the 2024 version. Hard to beat for a paper map.
The Atlas map is much better than any Almanac version

David K - 1-8-2025 at 02:36 PM

... and thank you for contributing so much data for the 2023/4 edition! :light:

Stormytama - 1-8-2025 at 07:38 PM

Quote: Originally posted by PaulW

And maybe Stormytama does not know that he can buy the Avenza Maps app for the 2024 Atlas for his phone and have a even better map with the ability of GPS tracking.

And he should be aware that Benchmark also sells book form paper map for the 2024 version. Hard to beat for a paper map.
The Atlas map is much better than any Almanac version

I didn’t know that. Thank you. I use avenza pro for work so I should utilize the app to its extent.

The want for these books truthfully is preservation. I think they are interesting and I want to capture them as a catalog of changes. My wierd idea and niche

Stormytama - 1-8-2025 at 07:54 PM

... and thank you for contributing so much data for the 2023/4 edition! :light:

How cool. It’s an impressive feat and I’d love to help any way possible I’m okay with ARCgis and have an affinity for Baja.

PaulW - 1-9-2025 at 10:48 AM

The want for these books truthfully is preservation. I think they are interesting and I want to capture them as a catalog of changes. My wierd idea and niche

=== =
Welcome to the club of saving the printed maps. Yes I have a collection including the online Almanac.

David K - 1-9-2025 at 10:57 AM