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Gas (LPG) Cost Conversion

DavidE - 1-21-2013 at 11:03 AM

660+ pesos for 30 kilos (2 kilos per gallon) = 15 gallons

660 pesos at 12.6 to 1 exchange rate = 52.38 dollars

52.38 dollars divided by 15 gallons = $ 3.50 per gallon

Is that the rate they are charging at the gas plants?

DENNIS - 1-21-2013 at 11:10 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DavidE
(2 kilos per gallon)



Is this right, David? I always assumed LPG and propane had a similar weight to water.
That said....two kilos is 4.4 pounds and a gallon of water is eight pounds.
It's probably my math, but something doesn't add up here.

DavidE - 1-21-2013 at 11:22 AM

2 kilos per gallon is closer accuracy than any dispenser machine is likely to argue with. It varies slightly with the blend but averages something like 4.407 pounds per gallon. Propane is slightly lighter.

Try to see if the plant price is less than 3.50 a gallon. Here is a cut and paste from the 10th..

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México.- Durante octubre, el precio del kilogramo de gas Licuado de Petróleo (LP) será de 11.95 pesos en el Distrito Federal, así como en algunos municipios de los estados de México e Hidalgo.

Según el acuerdo publicado por la Secretaría de Energía en el Diario Oficial de la Federación, este precio representa tres centavos más que el de septiembre previo, cuando se ofreció en 11.92 pesos.

De esta forma, el tanque de 20 kilogramos del energético pasará de 238.4 a 239 pesos en algunos sitios de la capital mexicana y de dichas entidades.

El mayor precio del energético al usuario final aplicable en la República Mexicana durante octubre será de 12.54 pesos en la región 9, que comprende algunos municipios de Baja California Sur.

Por el contrario, el precio más bajo en el país será de 9.41 pesos en la región 21, que incluye algunas localidades del estado de Chihuahua.

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Mexico. - During October, the price of a kilogram of liquefied petroleum gas (LP) will be 11.95 pesos in Mexico City, and in some municipalities (Counties) in the states of Mexico and Hidalgo.

Under the agreement published by the Secretary of Energy in the Official Journal of the Federation, this price is three cents higher than the previous September, which was price then at 11.92 pesos.

Thus, the 20-kilogram tank of energy will increase from 238.4 to 239 pesos in parts of the Mexican capital by LPG suppliers.

The higher price of energy to the end user applying in Mexico (City) during October will be 12.54 pesos in Region 9, which includes some municipalities of Baja California Sur.

By contrast, the lowest price in the country will be 9.41 pesos in the region 21, including some locations in the state of Chihuahua.

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[Edited on 1-21-2013 by DavidE]

David K - 1-21-2013 at 11:25 AM

In other words, LPG is about HALF the weight of water... Yes?

DENNIS - 1-21-2013 at 11:28 AM

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Originally posted by David K
In other words, LPG is about HALF the weight of water... Yes?


I doubt that.

I question this as well:

"2 kilos per gallon is closer accuracy than any dispenser machine is likely to argue with. It varies slightly with the blend but averages something like 4.407 pounds per gallon. Propane is slightly lighter."

durrelllrobert - 1-21-2013 at 11:32 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by DavidE
(2 kilos per gallon)



Is this right, David? I always assumed LPG and propane had a similar weight to water.
That said....two kilos is 4.4 pounds and a gallon of water is eight pounds.
It's probably my math, but something doesn't add up here.


Propane
The density of propane at 25 degrees C is .493 grams per cubic centimeter. Converting gives 4.11 pounds per gallon.
LPG

LPG is mainly Propane (C3H8), Butane (C4H10) or a mix of Propane / Butane. Since LPG has such a simple chemical structure, it is among the cleanest of any alternative fuels.
LPG is stored as a liquid under pressure. It is almost colourless and its weight is approximately half that of an equivalent volume of water.
The calorific value of LPG is about 2.5 times higher than that of main gas so more heat is produced from the same volume of gas.
http://www.totalgaz.co.za/os/osgazsouthernafrica.nsf/VS_OPM/...


[Edited on 1-21-2013 by durrelllrobert]

RnR - 1-21-2013 at 11:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DavidE
660+ pesos for 30 kilos (2 kilos per gallon) = 15 gallons

660 pesos at 12.6 to 1 exchange rate = 52.38 dollars

52.38 dollars divided by 15 gallons = $ 3.50 per gallon

Is that the rate they are charging at the gas plants?



You can convert this anyway you want to:

In La Paz, at the gas plant just south of town, on Fri 1/19,

I just filled an empty 20lb US tank, (actual fill w/ auto-shutoff valve is usually about 4 gallons), and a second tank that was almost empty, (probably took about 3 gallons).

Total purchase: about 7 gallons, price = 207 pesos.

Ensenada

bajaguy - 1-21-2013 at 11:41 AM

Fill up with a 20 LB tank is 100 pesos

DavidE - 1-21-2013 at 12:21 PM

But yet, so far, no "Precio de Kg de Gas" price from the LPG plant, answer...

DENNIS - 1-21-2013 at 12:25 PM

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Originally posted by DavidE
But yet, so far, no "Precio de Kg de Gas" price from the LPG plant, answer...

The bulk trucks usually charge the same as the plant [that's here anyway] so I'll have to wait for one to come through later today and get the price off the sign.

DavidE - 1-21-2013 at 12:32 PM

I'm going to be filling five 80 lb cylinders, so this thread isn't just exercise for my fingers. Thanks Dennis.

J.P. - 1-21-2013 at 12:32 PM

Price per.Litro 5.99- 399 Litros-2,390..01 Pesos
Last fill from bulk truck.

vandenberg - 1-21-2013 at 02:16 PM

Last bill was 6.20 a ltr, previous one 6.63a ltr.

All conversion can be done using this site:

http://www.wolframalpha.com/

Carol - 1-21-2013 at 02:30 PM

Delivered to our door in El Sargento, 380p for 30 kg tanks.

DENNIS - 1-21-2013 at 02:39 PM

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Originally posted by Carol
Delivered to our door in El Sargento, 380p for 30 kg tanks.


I don't believe I've ever seen a 30 kilo tank. The large, truck delivered tanks around four feet tall are 45 kilo tanks and and I don't think 380Ps would even begin to pay for one of those. Not sure....I'll have to look.

Carol - 1-21-2013 at 03:02 PM

Our guys here stopped delivering the 45 kg a year or two ago. Something about too many back injuries.

DENNIS - 1-21-2013 at 03:27 PM

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Originally posted by Carol
Our guys here stopped delivering the 45 kg a year or two ago. Something about too many back injuries.


:lol::lol: Had to be from lugging around that big fat wallet.