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1768 Mexico Map with Baja close ups

David K - 2-3-2013 at 02:37 AM

Thanks to fellow history buff and Baja Nomad 'elbeau', here is an interesting find... The Baja data incorporates a lot from the 1757 Venegas map, plus adds new data and new missions (Santa Gertrudis, San Borja and Santa Maria), but missing the word Mission in front of the names... Laguna Chapala (named in 1766 during the Linck expedition) is shown as a large lake.

Thanks again 'elbeau'!















Very cool! The mission that was shown started on the 1757 map 'S.M. Magdalena' is shown above less the S.M., as is 'Dolores del Norte' which was an early name for Santa Gertrudis, shown above, north of Dolores del Norte. What fun and no wonder there was stories of a lost Dolores del Norte mission.

Barry A. - 6-15-2013 at 08:43 PM

Great stuff, David.

My Mom and Aunt actually saw Laguna Chapala as a "large lake" back in the very early '60's (I think--maybe late '50s) on their adventure driving to Cabo in a International Carry-all 4x4. They had a time of it getting around the "lake".

Barry

David K - 6-16-2013 at 08:52 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
Great stuff, David.

My Mom and Aunt actually saw Laguna Chapala as a "large lake" back in the very early '60's (I think--maybe late '50s) on their adventure driving to Cabo in a International Carry-all 4x4. They had a time of it getting around the "lake".

Barry


In May, 2010... BajaTripper photographed Laguna Chapala in such a state:





KaceyJ - 6-16-2013 at 09:01 AM

I guess the 200 years too late part of me is what makes me appreciate these old maps. Thank you David (and elbeau) for posting these.

Here's an idea for you David , get permission to reprint and make a chronological compilation of all the old maps in one booklet. It's interesting to see the changes in the perception of the peninsula as time goes by.

David K - 6-16-2013 at 09:21 AM

Old maps are great...

Bob H - 6-16-2013 at 09:26 AM

These old maps are great David. It amazes me how the names of things change over time.

Golfo de California o Mar Roxo de Cortes

Ateo - 6-16-2013 at 09:35 AM

I wonder if these map makers could imagine that someday there would be satellites in space beaming us maps of the Earth!!!???

Thanks for posting these David.

Bob H - 6-16-2013 at 10:37 AM

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Originally posted by Ateo
I wonder if these map makers could imagine that someday there would be satellites in space beaming us maps of the Earth!!!???


I doubt it... here are some old technology predictions...

This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication. The device is inherently of no value to us.
Western Union memo, 1876

The Americans have need of the telephone, but we do not. We have plenty of messenger boys.
Sir William Preece, British Post Office.

Space travel is utter bilge.
Richard van der Riet Woolley, British Astronomer Royal, 1956

Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible.
Lord Kelvin (William Thomson), 1895

Radio has no future.
Lord Kelvin (William Thomson), 1897

There is nothing new to be discovered in physics now. All that remains is more and more precise measurement.
Lord Kelvin (William Thomson), 1900

X-rays are a hoax.
Lord Kelvin (William Thomson), 1900

Everything that can be invented has been invented.
Attributed to Charles H. Duell, Commissioner of the U.S. Patent Office, 1899, but thought to be an urban legend.

David K - 6-20-2013 at 12:39 AM

Good stuff Bob... :cool:

4x4abc - 8-9-2020 at 09:48 AM

David,

can you please post the 1768 images from a sharp scan?

David K - 8-9-2020 at 12:23 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
David,

can you please post the 1768 images from a sharp scan?


Here is the zoomable 1768 map, new since my 2013 post (above):

https://www.raremaps.com/gallery/detail/31332rg/nuevo-mapa-g...

Juan N. - 8-9-2020 at 03:30 PM

Cedros actually appears three times on this map. Once as Cenisas (Taraval), once as Cedros (Vizcaino), and once as "the island described by Consag".



[Edited on 8-9-2020 by Juan N.]

[Edited on 8-10-2020 by Juan N.]

David K - 8-9-2020 at 04:27 PM

I have just added the 1768 map to www.vivabaja.com to join the others already linked there....

Baja California, Mexico 'Zoom-In' Topo & Satellite Map

1747 Padre Fernando Consag 'Zoom-In' Map

1757 Jesuit Mission 'Zoom-In' Map

1768 Baja and Mexico 'Zoom-In' Map

1905-1906 E.W. Nelson Expedition 'Zoom-In' Map (printed in 1919)

1918 Goldbaum Baja Norte 'Zoom-In' Map (printed in 1925)

1962 Baja road maps by Howard Gulick (thanks to Doug Eernisse)

1971 Reconnaissance Geologic Map of Baja Norte (3 parts):

>>> Northern Baja Norte

>>> Central Baja Norte

>>> Southern Baja Norte

PaulW - 8-10-2020 at 08:10 AM

When was the last map that showed Baja as an island?

David K - 8-10-2020 at 08:20 AM

Quote: Originally posted by PaulW  
When was the last map that showed Baja as an island?


Just looked at the antique map website and I see one from 1720. There could be others, naturally. California was shown as a peninsula in the 1500s, as well.

geoffff - 8-10-2020 at 04:43 PM

Here's the 1768 map image from raremaps.com as a single image:

baja-1768.jpg

-- Geoff

Barry A. - 8-11-2020 at 02:16 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by PaulW  
When was the last map that showed Baja as an island?


Just looked at the antique map website and I see one from 1720. There could be others, naturally. California was shown as a peninsula in the 1500s, as well.


California is still a "peninsula"-------slowly drifting away from the USA to become an island. I know because I live here, and wondering how to get out or off.

AKgringo - 8-11-2020 at 02:56 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by PaulW  
When was the last map that showed Baja as an island?


Just looked at the antique map website and I see one from 1720. There could be others, naturally. California was shown as a peninsula in the 1500s, as well.


California is still a "peninsula"-------slowly drifting away from the USA to become an island. I know because I live here, and wondering how to get out or off.


You still have a little time where you are in Redding, but Sacramento is only 26 feet above sea level!