BajaNomad - Warrantless laptop searches at border are A-OK

Warrantless laptop searches at border are A-OK

unbob - 2-9-2013 at 07:38 PM

"If you travel with your laptop, the government can turn it on and rifle through your digital files."
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/02/government-watchd...

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/02/electronics-border-...

[Edited on 2-10-2013 by unbob]

woody with a view - 2-9-2013 at 07:44 PM

what's the problem? if they outlaw digital music and surf fotos i'm a felon!!!!

OMG!!!!!

bajaguy - 2-9-2013 at 07:47 PM

There go all of my secret family recipes :lol:

BajaBlanca - 2-9-2013 at 07:57 PM

It would take them YEARS to sort thru my files of photos

:lol:

bajadogs - 2-9-2013 at 08:13 PM

It would take them years to figure out my password.

unbob - 2-10-2013 at 08:34 AM

No worries - all they ever want to see is the contents of my fridge!

SFandH - 2-10-2013 at 09:18 AM

They can search anything and anywhere they want at the border without a warrant or reasonable cause, can't they?

Ateo - 2-10-2013 at 09:31 AM

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Originally posted by SFandH
They can search anything and anywhere they want at the border without a warrant or reasonable cause, can't they?

Yes, including body cavities.

THe Great free USA......NOT!!

captkw - 2-10-2013 at 09:47 AM

Its a lot worse than the first story on this thread !!! all electronics within a 100 miles of the coast ALL around the lower 48 and ALASKA!! your electronics (phone,,camara,,laptop) are jubject to search!! I was reading about it saterday with much dismay..and no warrant or reason is needed...Wake Up America !!! the s--t is hitting the fan and the masses are asleep watching TV......Check out "Before it's news" and other Real news sites on the web.. if you get your news from the TV or Radio,, its all the same BS from 6 huge corporations!! Time warner,, Clear channel,, and 4 others control all the media in the usa and there in no free press ( Think sandy hook hoax) God help the americans !!

Ateo - 2-10-2013 at 09:54 AM

captkw: Sandy Hook hoaxer you are????????????????????????????

I have spent 1000 hrs

captkw - 2-10-2013 at 09:56 AM

I don't know the whole story,, but anyone that has looked into it will tell you "It don't add up".............

Terry28 - 2-10-2013 at 10:17 AM

I think captkw forot to take his meds...again...

Bajajorge - 2-10-2013 at 10:24 AM

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Originally posted by bajadogs
It would take them years to figure out my password.

Vater boarding vill make you talk. :lol:

Ateo - 2-10-2013 at 10:27 AM

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Originally posted by Bajajorge

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Originally posted by bajadogs
It would take them years to figure out my password.

Vater boarding vill make you talk. :lol:

just ask Chris Hitchens. LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LPubUCJv58

watizname - 2-10-2013 at 10:36 AM

I'd like the good Capt. to explain the "hoax" that took place at Sandy Hook.

monoloco - 2-10-2013 at 10:50 AM

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Originally posted by Terry28
I think captkw forot to take his meds...again...

Actually, it's even worse. You no longer have any 4th amendment rights within 100 miles of any US border, or coastline. Basically, this applies to 66% of the US population. Read this before you say the Capt is off his meds:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-02-09/goodbye-fourth-amen...

Barry A. - 2-10-2013 at 10:53 AM

Well, part of the "hoax" is the Media mostly failing to report that the AR-15 was NOT involved in the Sandy Hook shootings-----it apparently never left the trunk of the purps car.

Now why did much of the Media fail to report that???????? (duh, they have an agenda)

Barry

David K - 2-10-2013 at 11:06 AM

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Originally posted by Barry A.
Well, part of the "hoax" is the Media mostly failing to report that the AR-15 was NOT involved in the Sandy Hook shootings-----it apparently never left the trunk of the purps car.

Now why did much of the Media fail to report that???????? (duh, they have an agenda)

Barry

Bingo... the current lot in power and their loving media have pledged to never let a crisis fail to be exploited and used to further their conquest of our freedoms!

O.G. - 2-10-2013 at 11:13 AM

Last year I was flying to Ensenada but was still North of the border and was instructed by SoCal approach to divert to Calexico. I landed in Calexico and was met by Homeland Security; Customs; an airplane mechanic and a govt. computer nerd. They x-rayed my plane, did the usual search and took my laptop. The computer guy didn't even have to ask me for my password and started browsing through all my files. When I asked what they were looking for, he answered "Why, are you afraid we will find something...". Then got more civil and said they are searching for any electronic money transfers.

SFandH - 2-10-2013 at 11:21 AM

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Originally posted by David K

Bingo... the current lot in power and their loving media have pledged to never let a crisis fail to be exploited and used to further their conquest of our freedoms!

The "current lot"??

Read about the Fourth Amendment and the Patriot Act and how they conflict. The Patriot Act was signed into law in 2001 by George Bush.

And it's true, the border search exemption to allow searches without warrants and reasonable cause extends 100 miles back from the border and coastlines.

monoloco - 2-10-2013 at 11:27 AM

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Originally posted by David K

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Bingo... the current lot in power and their loving media have pledged to never let a crisis fail to be exploited and used to further their conquest of our freedoms!

It's not just the current lot. Look at how 9/11 was used to enact the measures that this post is about and many others.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin

sancho - 2-10-2013 at 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by SFandH
They can search anything and anywhere they want at the border without a warrant or reasonable cause

That's what I believe, coming back you give up some
of your rights, they can take a part your vehicle, search
your person, I'm sure they could find some reasonable
cause, although I don't believe they need that

It is A-OK

MrBillM - 2-10-2013 at 05:00 PM

Simple.

Don't have anything illegal on the Laptop that you don't want them to see.

Don't have anything in the vehicle that is Illegal.

Don't worry.

And .......

Don't have a problem.

monoloco - 2-10-2013 at 05:37 PM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
Simple.

Don't have anything illegal on the Laptop that you don't want them to see.

Don't have anything in the vehicle that is Illegal.

Don't worry.

And .......

Don't have a problem.

It seems incongruous that you would be so worried about your 2nd amendment rights yet you don't have a problem with giving up your 4th amendment rights.

Incredulous at Incongruity ?

MrBillM - 2-10-2013 at 05:42 PM

No Need to be.

I (and the Courts) don't find THAT situation to be a violation of the Constitution.

David K - 2-10-2013 at 05:45 PM

The Patriot Act was made to protect Americans... (remember we were attacked with more deaths than Pearl Harbor, and to mostly civilians). It wasn't considered to be used against Americans... that is until this bunch took over. (this is a reply is to monoloco and SF andH, not a new sidebar topic)

Udo - 2-10-2013 at 05:49 PM

This discussion is starting to border into the nebulous OFF-TOPIC discussion.
But if the Patriot Act is really enforced to the max, we would all lose our guns.

Lets call what it is !!

captkw - 2-10-2013 at 06:04 PM

The UNpatriot act!!!

monoloco - 2-10-2013 at 06:05 PM

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Originally posted by David K
The Patriot Act was made to protect Americans... (remember we were attacked with more deaths than Pearl Harbor, and to mostly civilians). It wasn't considered to be used against Americans... that is until this bunch took over. (this is a reply is to monoloco and SF andH, not a new sidebar topic)

I would argue that the Patriot Act and the DHS was a power grab by both sides of the political spectrum, and was absolutely designed to be used against Americans. Remember that Hitler used the bombing of the Reichstag as a reason to suspend civil liberties in Germany. Don't think it can't happen in the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire

monoloco - 2-10-2013 at 06:08 PM

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Originally posted by Udo
This discussion is starting to border into the nebulous OFF-TOPIC discussion.
But if the Patriot Act is really enforced to the max, we would all lose our guns.

As long as it stays civil, I would think that a discussion about border issues is Baja related.

David K - 2-10-2013 at 06:24 PM

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Originally posted by monoloco

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Agree!
That is exactly what we free Americans have to fear happening! :light:

bajadogs - 2-10-2013 at 07:32 PM

Go Off-Topic DavidK. Your political BS has nothing to do with Baja. It's getting embarrassing.

bajadogs - 2-10-2013 at 07:37 PM

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Wow. No arms. You must hate that. You must be scared to death to not be able to defend yourself. But, like you say, no problems.

:rolleyes:

[Edited on 2-11-2013 by bajadogs]

Ateo - 2-10-2013 at 07:45 PM

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Originally posted by David K
The Patriot Act was made to protect Americans.... It wasn't considered to be used against Americans... that is until this bunch took over.

You have got to be kidding........that is an epic joke David.

Guess we will respectfully disagree.

The Obama administration mirrors the Bush administration on this issue and is only slightly less as incompetent. :lol:

woody with a view - 2-10-2013 at 07:54 PM

didn't Big O promise to close Gitmo? i'm still waiting...... :rolleyes:

David K - 2-10-2013 at 07:56 PM

I didn't say it did work or if I agreed with it... I only say what the purpose or goal was... remember OUR representatives report to us and take to Washington what our concerns are.

Ateo - 2-10-2013 at 08:14 PM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
didn't Big O promise to close Gitmo? i'm still waiting...... :rolleyes:

Yep, makes you wonder why he hasn't. What did he learn or what did he run up against???

Keeping it baja related !!

captkw - 2-10-2013 at 08:21 PM

"The last time someone listened to a Bush, they were found wondering in the desert after 40 days & nights"!!

bajadogs - 2-10-2013 at 08:26 PM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
didn't Big O promise to close Gitmo? i'm still waiting...... :rolleyes:

I don't recall you wanting it closed.

bajaguy - 2-10-2013 at 08:45 PM

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Originally posted by David K
... remember OUR representatives report to us and take to Washington what our concerns are.

Hahahahaha....David, David, David. Please join the real world. About 60 seconds after the election results are announced, the people we elect immediately forget that they work for us and are only in the game for themselves.

Thanks OG......Holy cr-p!!

captkw - 2-10-2013 at 10:11 PM

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Originally posted by O.G.
Last year I was flying to Ensenada but was still North of the border and was instructed by SoCal approach to divert to Calexico. I landed in Calexico and was met by Homeland Security; Customs; an airplane mechanic and a govt. computer nerd. They x-rayed my plane, did the usual search and took my laptop. The computer guy didn't even have to ask me for my password and started browsing through all my files. When I asked what they were looking for, he answered "Why, are you afraid we will find something...". Then got more civil and said they are searching for any electronic money transfers.

Bajaboy - 2-10-2013 at 10:20 PM

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Originally posted by David K
I didn't say it did work or if I agreed with it... I only say what the purpose or goal was... remember OUR representatives report to us and take to Washington what our concerns are.

Your Representative is D. Issa....a big phat racist, homophobic ****** bag :lol:

DianaT - 2-10-2013 at 11:47 PM

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Originally posted by David K

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Bingo... the current lot in power and their loving media have pledged to never let a crisis fail to be exploited and used to further their conquest of our freedoms!

One should fact check those sick e-mails and even sicker u-tubes.

Any one who would take this tragedy and use it to create really disgusting conspiracy stories is really, really sick. And they play to the sheep who don't check out this stuff, but just accept it as fact.

http://members.jacksonville.com/news/premium-news/2013-01-31...

CortezBlue - 2-11-2013 at 04:02 AM

yes and if you don't comply, there will be a drone over your left shoulder following you

DianaT & All

captkw - 2-11-2013 at 10:01 AM

Hola,The link you provided was well intended and thank you !! but,, does not have any Facts,resources, or new info.... I know A lot of folks are up in arms about S.H.... its a story that needs to be told with facts...not media whitewash..... as of today,,,there is way too many questions unanswered.......???????

DianaT - 2-11-2013 at 10:17 AM

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Originally posted by captkw
Hola,The link you provided was well intended and thank you !! but,, does not have any Facts,resources, or new info.... I know A lot of folks are up in arms about S.H.... its a story that needs to be told with facts...not media whitewash..... as of today,,,there is way too many questions unanswered.......???????

So you believe that all of the different law enforcement agencies are not telling the truth --- along with the coroner, morticians, etc.?

The biggest problem with most conspiracy theories is that they involve way too many people; all who somehow are brought together to tell the same "lies" and cover-up stories. It didn't happen.

Real sickos created this conspiracy theory to try and convince more people that Obama is out to destroy America, which is more conspiracy sh*t, and it is really sad for the parents and relatives of those who were murdered. :no:

durrelllrobert - 2-11-2013 at 10:29 AM

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Originally posted by DianaT

One should fact check those sick e-mails and even sicker u-tubes.

Any one who would take this tragedy and use it to create really disgusting conspiracy stories is really, really sick. And they play to the sheep who don't check out this stuff, but just accept it as fact.

Conservatives please check out the left leaning Liberal sites; Liberals please check out the right leaning Conservative sites.

bufeo - 2-11-2013 at 10:42 AM

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Originally posted by durrelllrobert

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Conservatives please check out the left leaning Liberal sites; Liberals please check out the right leaning Conservative sites.

And we Independents have the task of sorting out the truth in these matters.

Allen R

DianaT - 2-11-2013 at 11:00 AM

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Originally posted by durrelllrobert

Conservatives please check out the left leaning Liberal sites; Liberals please check out the right leaning Conservative sites.

Start with Snopes.

Whine, Whine, Whine

MrBillM - 2-11-2013 at 02:24 PM

It has ALWAYS been the case (at least in my lifetime) that the Authorities have the legal right to inspect ANYTHING on your person and vehicle when you are entering from a foreign country.

Including ANY paperwork you might have in your vehicle, luggage, briefcase, WHATEVER.

Given that all sorts of illegal materials can be stored digitally, WHY would ANYONE expect that media to be exempt ?

Other than those possessing said illegal materials, that is ?

aguachico - 2-11-2013 at 09:26 PM

blah blah blah

linux os
data encryption

blah, blah blah, blah blah.

United states customs is not the only immigration officers that want to look at your notebook, Canadian immigration is 10x's worse and more rude and easily bypassed because they are rocks with lips.

the 4th amendment,,,,gone!

captkw - 2-12-2013 at 10:01 AM

Hola,,folks seem to be missing the main point here that anywhere in the USA 100 miles from the coast the DHS can search your electronics without cause or reason..NOT, JUST THE BORDER !!! ckeck out the ACLU map !! 66 percent of americans, live in this section !! Yikes !!.....K&T :cool:

ncampion - 2-12-2013 at 10:54 AM

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Originally posted by DianaT

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Originally posted by durrelllrobert

Conservatives please check out the left leaning Liberal sites; Liberals please check out the right leaning Conservative sites.

Start with Snopes.

I agree that we all need to verify the things that we read on the internet and not just accept them blindly as truth. As a scientist I was trained to question all "facts" before accepting them.
However, I totally disagree with using Snopes to fact check. That site is run and controlled by a husband and wife who clearly have a bias.
A better place to start is:

http://www.factcheck.org/

At least this is a nonpartisan group with no agenda to forward.

.

Snopes??

bajaguy - 2-12-2013 at 10:56 AM

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Originally posted by ncampion

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Originally posted by DianaT

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Originally posted by durrelllrobert

Conservatives please check out the left leaning Liberal sites; Liberals please check out the right leaning Conservative sites.

Start with Snopes.

What is the Snopes bias???

ncampion - 2-12-2013 at 06:35 PM

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What is the Snopes bias???

Quite LEFT, I'm afraid

Wally - 3-9-2013 at 08:39 AM

http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/8/court-limits-fe...

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durrelllrobert - 3-9-2013 at 08:55 AM

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Originally posted by DianaT

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Originally posted by durrelllrobert

Conservatives please check out the left leaning Liberal sites; Liberals please check out the right leaning Conservative sites.

Start with Snopes.

definetly falls into the left leaning category and often conflicts with Truth or Fiction

[Edited on 3-9-2013 by durrelllrobert]

The previous lot in power did the same!

castaway$ - 3-9-2013 at 10:50 AM

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Barry

Bingo... the current lot in power and their loving media have pledged to never let a crisis fail to be exploited and used to further their conquest of our freedoms!

GW started a war over weapons of mass destruction that didn't exist!

chuckie - 3-9-2013 at 11:06 AM

Who is GW and what does he have to do with laptop searches?

motoged - 3-9-2013 at 11:37 AM

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Originally posted by bajaguy

Hahahahaha....David, David, David. Please join the real world.

C'mon you guys....Give DK a break. It's not fair to have a battle of wits with someone who is disarmed.

He is so unhappy that his dream of free enterprise (watering someone's lawn) has fallen apart, that his victim-stance and free time leads him to hang with the rest of the bitter, selfish, dis-enfranchised.

LancairDriver - 3-9-2013 at 12:30 PM

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Originally posted by motoged

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Originally posted by bajaguy

Hahahahaha....David, David, David. Please join the real world.

I'm afraid in examining the posts by DK compared to yours easily dispel any question of who is armed with the superior wit, with DK winning hands down. He and a lot of others have provided more help and advice to Baja travelers than any of your posts would indicate. As to his "unhappy dream" of free enterprise, at least he is paying his own way and is not standing around with his hand out, waiting for his vote to be purchased, unlike the large and growing number of tax dollar parasites he helps to support.

Barry A. - 3-9-2013 at 12:51 PM

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Originally posted by LancairDriver

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Originally posted by motoged

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Originally posted by bajaguy

Hahahahaha....David, David, David. Please join the real world.

Amen!!!!!! I totally agree.

Barry

mtgoat666 - 3-9-2013 at 12:59 PM

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Originally posted by captkw
Hola,,folks seem to be missing the main point here that anywhere in the USA 100 miles from the coast the DHS can search your electronics without cause or reason..NOT, JUST THE BORDER !!! ckeck out the ACLU map !! 66 percent of americans, live in this section !! Yikes !!.....K&T :cool:

the 4th amendment free zone:

bajaguy - 3-9-2013 at 02:45 PM

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The US 9th Appellate Court (Western United States) has decided that authorities now need "Probable Cause" to search/detain any electronic device. Probable cause is greater than mere suspicion, or the 100 mile search clause.....however, before telling any CBP officer to pound sand, you should read the decision and have a good attorney on retainer.

FEAR on the Border

MrBillM - 3-9-2013 at 06:41 PM

With an overwhelming feeling of abject FEAR and the SURE knowledge that I was about to be assaulted and my belongings ransacked without any HOPE of the LEAST respect for my most basic CIVIL RIGHTS, this afternoon I timidly drove towards the Border kiosk today seen manned by a female tyrant employed by the Fascist American state AND ...................

The lady said "Anything to Declare" ?

To which I replied "NO, except that it's a Beautiful Day".

AMAZINGLY, I was not arrested and thrown in chains into a dark cell, but waved through.

I kept expecting to be ambushed by ICE as I drove North through the Danger Zone, but I suppose I got lucky.

RIGHT ?

J.P. - 3-9-2013 at 07:39 PM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
With an overwhelming feeling of abject FEAR and the SURE knowledge that I was about to be assaulted and my belongings ransacked without any HOPE of the LEAST respect for my most basic CIVIL RIGHTS, this afternoon I timidly drove towards the Border kiosk today seen manned by a female tyrant employed by the Fascist American state AND ...................

The lady said "Anything to Declare" ?

To which I replied "NO, except that it's a Beautiful Day".

AMAZINGLY, I was not arrested and thrown in chains into a dark cell, but waved through.

I kept expecting to be ambushed by ICE as I drove North through the Danger Zone, but I suppose I got lucky.

RIGHT ?

How things have changed Quite a few years ago I was returning home from a trip out of the country. I passed through Customs at Houston Inter National Airport. After showing my I.D. a young Marine In Full Dress working the desk Clicked his Heels and Presented me a Crisp Salute and said WELCOME HOME SIR.

[Edited on 3-10-2013 by J.P.]

Speaking of Border Bother ................

MrBillM - 3-10-2013 at 01:06 PM

Heading North and reaching the last point at which you could be detoured into Mex Secondary, there are three soldiers (two armed with Automatic weapons).

The guy in charge motions "STOP", walks around and asks me to lower the back window and then points to the rear and says "Baggage" ?

Well, YEAH, OK

"Need to look" ?

"Hay ARMAS" ?

"NO".

"OK".

Told the spouse that they seem to be unclear on the concept.

The idea is to smuggle the guns South to sell.

Isn't it ?

chuckie - 3-10-2013 at 04:25 PM

I came through 3 Mil Checks today..No excitment except one of the Soldados asked for some of my peanuts...Cross the border tommorrow...If anything is noteworthy I'll post it..Crossing at Tecate..Bunked up at the Motel Chavez in San Quintin now...