How Surfers Protect Their Special Places

Nomad Surfers,
Go find this guy.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0GvAXZMjwI

well thats what the sign says!

There was a time that they never would have been there in that cute little car

[Edited on 4-11-2013 by Sunman]

those guys are part of the problem. go pro has everyone wanting their 15 minutes of fame....

this has been beat to death, this is what good roads do for surfers, these guy have lost their soul. you should have seen what san juanico was like in 1991 compared to today.

oh well, this is a waste of breath....

[Edited on 4-12-2013 by woody with a view]

awwww duuuuuude, they didnt have surfboards waaaaaay back in 1991 !

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Originally posted by woody with a view those guys are part of the problem. go pro has everyone wanting their 15 minutes of fame.... [Edited on 4-12-2013 by woody with a view]

Totally !!! Baja moto trails=same thing.....Lizard Lady and ADV Rider has blown it wide open (I have some guilt w/ ADV ride reports....looking for admiration and approval via internet).

And , the world IS going to hell in a handcart (yeah, I know it's the Dem's fault )....isn't there a Greek philosopher's quote to that effect from two thousand years ago....or maybe it was Skeet

Anyways, lotsa stuff WAS better back then (Annette Funnicello for example , RIP; Cowboy TV shows in B&W, ....)

[Edited on 4-12-2013 by motoged]

[Edited on 4-12-2013 by motoged]

goat, you can lick me where i crap! i never said anything about "it was better then" i said it sucks now! get your facts straight and then make an appointment to lick me again, please!

i could beat on the fact that you hope to die soon, but i'll be the better man and ignore it. like i said this has been beat to death......

[Edited on 4-12-2013 by woody with a view]

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goat, you can lick me where i crap! i never said anything about "it was better then" i said it sucks now! get your facts straight and then make an appointment to lick me again, please! i could beat on the fact that you hope to die soon, but i'll be the better man and ignore it. like i said this has been beat to death...... [Edited on 4-12-2013 by woody with a view]

euro,
Woody is generally a cool guy....the Goat, like some of us, seems to be an irascible fart....

Some old dogs seem to sniff before they lick....

we all traveled with Don Juan Matus in the early 70's. its good to know carlos was still relevant (at least for some) into the 90's.

I don't know you,but I like you. I think we're the same kind of people.

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Quote: Originally posted by willardguy we all traveled with Don Juan Matus in the early 70's. its good to know carlos was still relevant (at least for some) into the 90's.

if I can stray for a moment, the billabong XXL wipeout awards, here's the nominee's. (these aren't your father's wipeouts)!

http://www.grindtv.com/action-sports/surf/post/five-vicious-...

you ARE wrong. i personally know of at least 10 spots you have no clue exist-and i'm just one guy. sure, there were guys before me and there will be guys after me, but i guarantee you will never know these 10 secrets. ENTIENDE?

Woody, All the secret have been discovered, there are no secret spots. Ask me over a campfire I'll give no special beta. All the good spots are gone.

and im sure a young mike hynson and bill fury sat around a campfire with saucer sized eyeballs listening to the likes of dale velzy, pete peterson,bob simmons spin yarns of exotic far away secret spots never seen let alone surfed by ....anyone,,,,,,,,

"We're witnessing an occurence very similar to the late 19th century north american plains. In 20-30 years the buffalo were all gone and the indian nations were on reservations. And a way of life was forever gone, never to be seen again. Those who were present, like us, were fortunate to have seen it all before the change. "

Ok...I vote Skipjack Joe the oldest guy on the board! But I'd like to know who the 'like us' are that were present also for the late 19th century?

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Originally posted by paranewbi "We're witnessing an occurence very similar to the late 19th century north american plains. In 20-30 years the buffalo were all gone and the indian nations were on reservations. And a way of life was forever gone, never to be seen again. Those who were present, like us, were fortunate to have seen it all before the change. " Ok...I vote Skipjack Joe the oldest guy on the board! But I'd like to know who the 'like us' are that were present also for the late 19th century?

so these really ARE the good ol daze....

I speak only for myself. It's not discovering a surf spot or surfing it by yourself. It about adventure, it's about rolling up on a spot and figuring it out. Surfing midday without worrying about drop-ins, how about the crew working a rotation. Camping on the beach and combing through it. Long walks on the beach .
How different is Scorpion's and Rincon today as opposed to the 80's. It's more like Rincon. Feel free substitute a major Baja break.
Camp on the beach in So. CA, how many places can you do it?
How about beach access in Northern Baja, was it easier 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s?
How many houses can you see while surfing the premier surf spots now, as the 80's or 90's.
I'm as not saying it can"t be done, but is getting more difficult to do. You need to drive farther. As we drive into a place, the road slowing improves and more venture out to it. The posting of the directions (gps points) of a access road reduces the culling that used to take place. It also speeds the improvement of the road.
Many of us hope that the adventure of a surf trip stays around a little longer. Is it changing, are there more people, is the info. available, YES.
Some of us resent folks that drove by it once, or haven't been in 5 years giving it up. They just need not post.
Nobody here can say that the spots we surfed 10 years ago are same, and if we can we aren't posting them here. The guys that don't do surf trips really don't understand and never will.

hey Ged, thanks for stirring up the pot amigo! it was getting rather bland in here lately.

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Originally posted by woody with a view hey Ged, thanks for stirring up the pot amigo! it was getting rather bland in here lately.

Woody,
Just tried to add a little humour....rather than my occasional vitriolic attack on stupidity

When I was a 4-year old living in San Diego, I first saw folks surfing.... and was entranced and hooked. Later, growing up in Canada, the closest I came to it was when I started skateboarding in 1963.....even before skateboards had urethane wheels (Skeet, move over ).

Now it's motorcycles.....

Now, get back to telling folks where to lick

I take a different approach: find new places, leave the "discovered" ones to the newbies as much as possible, and treasure the memories.

So, I haven't been back to Cabo since 1982. How's it going down there? Is the Finistera still the largest hotel out on the point?

Folks,

There is 7 going on 8 billion humans walking this planet currently. Those of us who get out and look to find our spots have grown proportionately. And those who have the $$$ can do it even more effectively. My personal story has to do with a love affair with a wilderness region in Wyoming where I grew up. Guess what, it's still wilderness.......BUT........there's oil and gas wells through all the entry ways and the prairie is dotted with wells and roads that didn't exist just 10 years ago. And everybody in the state cheers for the development and energy independence. I can't explain to my 84 yo dad that they're selling and shipping these resources out of the country and that's the motivation.

It is what it is. No point in being egotistical about secrets and who got where first. Enjoy life and appreciate what you get.

Rant over......

PS. I can Google fly through a 10 day backpacking trip in 20 minutes, soon enough they'll Street View it too........

[Edited on 4-16-2013 by Sweetwater]

Here's a tip about the best surf breaks.

We all pack in ND. So to protect those favorite surf spots, look up my younger sister.

Roger,
OK....I will stand in line.....

I would have thought sponge would freeze solid up there!

yeah, i've seen the BFG pit in catavina for the baja1000. five foot high spray painted letters on the boulders looks really cool, dude!

what don't you get?

btw, Ged has first hand info from some surfers regarding new routes, just so you don't think we are all defined by your stereotype....

Sheesh, an insane back to back south swell lights up this amazing peninsula and everyone is stuck behind their computadores lamenting some long lost fantasy?? I have news for you... these ARE the good old days.
Just fire up your baja worthy rig of choice and vamonos mierda...

its just around that next corner. 8 foot and empty...

or check down another rutted out sandy track and see perhaps 10 foot ploos and, um, empty... But can you make the drop?

Wake up people, step away from the compu, the sun is rising and its pumping right now, as in April 2013. And no one is out.
And once I fill up the water tank, resupply, and oh yeah do that work thing for a few days again, I will be out there again. Monday am to be exact...

[Edited on 4-17-2013 by BFS]

[Edited on 4-17-2013 by BFS]

A few years ago (2-3) Woody offered me some great info about an area I wanted to explore by moto. He even offered some names of locals to connect with. He did so with no particular request from me other than asking some general questions about an area on this forum....and he did so not knowing me from un otro pendejo en la calle. I have yet to use that info (riding buddies have a race mentality and miss 95% of what Baja is about ), but look forward to it on my next Baja trip...

The spray paint thing represents how off-roaders can be a blight (yeah, I know other cretins do the vandalism too) on Baja. It's like thinking you (anyone) are "mingling with the locals" by riding through a ranch or small village and handing out stickers and gum to the kids.

White folks did that a few centuries ago with other trinkets....How did that work out for the locals?

I try my best to tread lightly and stay to the impressions before me (but I have ridden on a few beaches....I regret it as the salt wrecks stuff on the bike and I may have left a bad impression )








Woody....thanks for the intel.....waterboarding won't get me to share it.....well, maybe waterboarding.....but without that, my lips are sealed.

It's all good....

no worries. it seems like BFS has us all barking about the wrong half of the peninsula!

yuma isn't condusive to surfing when it's pumping.....