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Fuel Price Increases For Tomorrow

DavidE - 5-31-2013 at 06:08 PM

Fuel prices are liter peso


Magna 11.47

Premium 12.03

Diesel 11.83

durrelllrobert - 5-31-2013 at 07:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DavidE
Fuel prices are liter peso


Magna 11.47

Premium 12.03

Diesel 11.83


Still cheaper than California and their prices are also going to go up for the summer.

chuckie - 5-31-2013 at 07:17 PM

And the importance of that is? Gas prices are also a lot cheaper in Uraguay.....

El Jefe - 5-31-2013 at 08:12 PM

I just try to be happy that they can put 22.5 liters in my 20 liter can. Really amazing how they do that. More fuel for my moto.

:?:

Bob and Susan - 5-31-2013 at 08:42 PM

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Originally posted by El Jefe
I just try to be happy that they can put 22.5 liters in my 20 liter can. Really amazing how they do that. More fuel for my moto.



prove it...

LancairDriver - 5-31-2013 at 10:29 PM

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Originally posted by chuckie
And the importance of that is? Gas prices are also a lot cheaper in Uraguay.....


Might just be of interest to someone driving around Baja. Who cares about gas prices in Uraguay?

chuckie - 6-1-2013 at 03:10 AM

I live in Baja, full time..I dont care what the price is in Oregon or California....AND in Baja (ever been there?) It is what it is....and going up...

Bob and Susan - 6-1-2013 at 05:42 AM

the gas price changes monthly...it fixed by the government...
its nice to know the price to budget a vacation but "it is what it is"

you cant "shop around" like in the states...I think this is WAY nicer

the gas is clean and trouble free...the "old days" are gone

99% of the time you get a gallon for a gallon and anyone who says they got "cheated" needs to prove it...the pumps are fine and computer operated

rts551 - 6-1-2013 at 05:55 AM

Just because you don't care doesn't mean others don't. Don't be so self centered.

Bob or Susan - Since I fill fuel jugs, I still find computerized pumps pumping incorrect amounts of fuel.

El Jefe - 6-1-2013 at 06:25 AM

Bob, what do you mean prove it. Do you want video? Really, honestly, and please take my word on this 'cause I'm a nice guy; I filled a 20 liter can last week. It is marked on the side of the can in graduated lines. I had him stop at 20 on the can. It said 22.5 on the pump.

Granted I have not calibrated the can. But I assume it is pretty close. This has happened at other stations in San Jose del many times. Your "prove it" tone in your post makes me think that you feel I am making this up, and is rather insulting. You are wrong.

I was trying to add a little levity, with the understanding that we are not going to do much about rising gas prices. Sad but true, we and the rest of the world are just going to have to adapt.

Hook - 6-1-2013 at 08:00 AM

Whenever proof is given, here come the specious excuses like hot fuel and expanded plastic containers, etc. Why bother explaining that so many of us have experienced this and so many pumps have been shut down for a period of time?

On my trip to the States last week, I paid as low as 3.53 for diesel in AZ. In fact, outside of CA, diesel was lower than the mid grade and the premium gasoline prices. It wasnt like that the last time I was in the States.

So, diesel in Mexico is now more expensive than diesel in AZ.

I saw regular unleaded as low as 3.07 in AZ. That's WAY cheaper than Mexico, now.

This incremental price rise in fuels was supposed to bring it up to some type of "world market" price. It appears that Mexico is now regulating fuel prices to their advantage now. It only "seems" a bargain if you are used to CA prices.

All price comparisons assume a 12.5/1 exchange rate, which is probably a realistic figure right now.

[Edited on 6-1-2013 by Hook]

micah202 - 6-1-2013 at 08:16 AM

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Originally posted by Bob and Susan
the gas price changes monthly...it fixed by the government...


.....yeh,,that helps a LOT....can't imagine what things would look like otherwise

Hook - 6-1-2013 at 08:50 AM

It was supposed to become "unfixed" at some point. But this is the Federal Government's cash cow, so dont hold your breath.

This really grinds the poor and lower middle class workers in Mexico. Fuel higher than in a border state?

At least along the AZ border, the border surcharge in Mexico is now a gouging.

[Edited on 6-1-2013 by Hook]

Udo - 6-1-2013 at 09:11 AM

In Venezuela...

Regular gas is 14 US cents per gallon.
Diesel...9 cents.
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Originally posted by chuckie
And the importance of that is? Gas prices are also a lot cheaper in Uraguay.....

This Means The Newest Computer Pump Was Found To Be HONEST!

DavidE - 6-1-2013 at 10:17 AM




And I repeat THE OWNER OF THE GASOLINERA WAS HONORED AT THE OFFICE OF THE MINISTERIO PUBLICO FOR BEING MORAL AND UPSTANDING

sargentodiaz - 6-1-2013 at 01:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DavidE
Fuel prices are liter peso


Magna 11.47

Premium 12.03

Diesel 11.83


$3.60 per gallon for Magna? That ain't bad. A whole lot more in California! :rolleyes:

sargentodiaz - 6-1-2013 at 01:37 PM

My wife and I - and puppy - are planning to trip to Tuxpan, Nayarit in the not too distant future. As my XTerra gets a little over 18 mpg, I've been trying to figure out a gas budget. I was counting on about $4 per gallon so I wasn't far off.

1,390+/- one way.

DENNIS - 6-1-2013 at 02:45 PM

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Originally posted by sargentodiaz

$3.60 per gallon for Magna? That ain't bad. A whole lot more in California! :rolleyes:


They're both bad. :mad:

Bubba - 6-1-2013 at 02:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Udo
In Venezuela...

Regular gas is 14 US cents per gallon.
Diesel...9 cents.


Quote:
Originally posted by chuckie
And the importance of that is? Gas prices are also a lot cheaper in Uraguay.....


That's it, I'm moving to Venezuela!

chuckie - 6-1-2013 at 02:59 PM

Me too, the heck with Uraguay....(and California)

DavidE - 6-1-2013 at 03:13 PM

Take Charmin, or wear a Bisht and leave your left hand free. Severe TP shortage. Our money mad elites are doing everything they can to overturn a democratically elected government so they can get their grimy mitts on Lagomar Crude oil. The USA business and financial communities have morphed into Economic N-zis. They'll push their mother into the mouth of a volcano for a dividend bonus.

David K - 6-1-2013 at 03:29 PM

$3.95/ gallon today in Oceanside, CA, USA... so, Mexico is getting close.

durrelllrobert - 6-1-2013 at 07:16 PM

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Originally posted by sargentodiaz
My wife and I - and puppy - are planning to trip to Tuxpan, Nayarit in the not too distant future. As my XTerra gets a little over 18 mpg, I've been trying to figure out a gas budget. I was counting on about $4 per gallon so I wasn't far off.

1,390+/- one way.


Leaving for Edmonton Alberta, CA at end of month. That's 1,900 miles and these are the current average prices for all the states we go thru:
Nevada = $3.45
Arizona (short distance) = $3.11
Utah = $3.49
Idaho = $3.69
Montana = $3.45
and Alberta @ $1.22/liter Canadian = $5.57/gal

Note that Alberta is where all the oil is. God bless Canadian Taxes.

El Jefe - 6-11-2013 at 03:21 PM

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Originally posted by El Jefe
Bob, what do you mean prove it. Do you want video? Really, honestly, and please take my word on this 'cause I'm a nice guy; I filled a 20 liter can last week. It is marked on the side of the can in graduated lines. I had him stop at 20 on the can. It said 22.5 on the pump.

Granted I have not calibrated the can. But I assume it is pretty close. This has happened at other stations in San Jose del many times. Your "prove it" tone in your post makes me think that you feel I am making this up, and is rather insulting. You are wrong.

I was trying to add a little levity, with the understanding that we are not going to do much about rising gas prices. Sad but true, we and the rest of the world are just going to have to adapt.


So today I tried another station with my 20 liter can. This time the one near Judy's bookstore. Maybe they would be a little more generous with their pour. Hah! Not a chance. This time after stopping right on the 20 liter mark the pump read 24.2! Unbelievable. Needless to say I won't frequent that station any more.

Lately my fill ups were costing 700 pesos when they used to cost 500. With the increase in gas prices and the short liters, no wonder.

KaceyJ - 6-11-2013 at 03:32 PM

Jefe,

Just think of it as doing business like changing pesos- you how they advertise -sin commission.

BTW paid 3.18 for regular the other day in New Mexico.

Between getting ripped on volume and the overall low quality of gas , it's a lot more expensive in mex.

DENNIS - 6-11-2013 at 04:09 PM

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Originally posted by KaceyJ
the overall low quality of gas


Really?? I thought it was pretty good, however, I do remember the NOVA days. That stuff was worse than bad.

chuckie - 6-11-2013 at 04:39 PM

Ah yes Nova! I rode my BMW to Beliz in the Nova days...Had to lay up for parts and put 2 addtl base gaskets under the cylindros to lower the compression ratios...aside from all this whining, wringing of hands, knashing of teeth, does ANYONE have a real suggestion as to what WE do about this issue?

bajagrouper - 6-11-2013 at 04:44 PM

Remember Nova in Spanish means NO GO.......

willardguy - 6-11-2013 at 04:50 PM

And the importance of that is? Gas prices are also a lot cheaper in Uraguay.....

so now its an issue? what changed?


:?:

chuckie - 6-11-2013 at 05:01 PM

Not an issue with me, just wondered if anyone had anything to offer. I see nothing to be done about about it ..why beat something to death unless there is a solution..It is what it is....deal with it....

willardguy - 6-11-2013 at 05:09 PM

does ANYONE have a real suggestion as to what WE do about this issue?

well I obviously misunderstood, I guess?:wow:

Ateo - 6-11-2013 at 05:10 PM

Chevron got a price increase of $.06- $.10/gallon this morning.

chuckie - 6-11-2013 at 05:27 PM

YUP! I have a solution..I redrew the line on my fuel tank to agree with what I actually get..No mas problema...

El Jefe - 6-11-2013 at 05:38 PM

Of course there is nothing any of us can do about it. I had a good laugh about it with the gas attendant today. He is powerless to do anything too. It is what it is. I'm just happy to be here.

Again, on this particular thread I was just trying to show exactly that. Fuel prices in Mex are not necessarily what you see posted on the pump. You cannot shop stations by price. The price is set, but the volume is flexible. Que sera, sera. Just be happy they can put 24 liters in your 20 liter can. Bonus!

DENNIS - 6-11-2013 at 05:41 PM

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Originally posted by El Jefe
Just be happy they can put 24 liters in your 20 liter can. Bonus!


:lol: Good one. :lol:

chuckie - 6-11-2013 at 06:23 PM

I agree, Will adjust line as things change.....

KaceyJ - 6-11-2013 at 06:46 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by KaceyJ
the overall low quality of gas


Really?? I thought it was pretty good, however, I do remember the NOVA days. That stuff was worse than bad.


MPG seems to suffer no matter the grade of mex petrol . Magna is a hair better than the old no va. But even running premium it doesn't seem to deliver the power and that can be important especially with a 1 ton gas truck pulling a boat. I would imagine someone driving a rice burner would notice it much less. So add up the loss in peso exchange , crooked pumps and less BTU's and Mex gas is much more exspensive IMO

willardguy - 6-11-2013 at 06:49 PM

I thought we had nomads reporting better gas mileage with our pemex ? yes/no???

chuckie - 6-11-2013 at 06:51 PM

We knew That..but thanks, so?

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dpwahoo - 6-11-2013 at 06:55 PM

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Originally posted by KaceyJ
Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by KaceyJ
the overall low quality of gas

Who cares. Can you live on the beach in california for this price?
Really?? I thought it was pretty good, however, I do remember the NOVA days. That stuff was worse than bad.


MPG seems to suffer no matter the grade of mex petrol . Magna is a hair better than the old no va. But even running premium it doesn't seem to deliver the power and that can be important especially with a 1 ton gas truck pulling a boat. I would imagine someone driving a rice burner would notice it much less. So add up the loss in peso exchange , crooked pumps and less BTU's and Mex gas is much more exspensive IMO

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dpwahoo - 6-11-2013 at 06:58 PM

Sorry, it went in the wrong spot.

vandy - 6-11-2013 at 07:13 PM

Can you imagine how many Pemex stations would close if they had honest pumps?
Quite a scam.
All those new stations aren't being built for your convenience.
And YES, I carry marked containers for fuel since getting burned badly in Loreto, where they managed to cram 80 liters in my 17-gallon tank. It wasn't even empty...
I usually accept 10% overcharge as the cost of doing business.

BTW, I tried the "slow pumping" routine a couple of times, but it didn't seem to make a difference.

David K - 6-11-2013 at 11:59 PM

Wonder if the Pemex you used also waters the gasoline? Do try Baja Cactus (El Rosario) during your drive... I always get more MPGs out of Pemex than California gas. I attribute it to being real gas and not diluted with ethanol.

I wonder "what would of happened" had you ordered sixty LITERS?

DavidE - 6-12-2013 at 12:58 PM

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Originally posted by vandy
Can you imagine how many Pemex stations would close if they had honest pumps?
Quite a scam.
All those new stations aren't being built for your convenience.
And YES, I carry marked containers for fuel since getting burned badly in Loreto, where they managed to cram 80 liters in my 17-gallon tank. It wasn't even empty...
I usually accept 10% overcharge as the cost of doing business.

BTW, I tried the "slow pumping" routine a couple of times, but it didn't seem to make a difference.



I read arguments here against this but in two years not one factual comparison between ordering "lleno" or tantito pesos. If I pass that gasolinera in Loreto I'll order 20-litros then shake my head. I WILL drive away veinte litros en mi tanque.

El Jefe - 6-12-2013 at 01:42 PM

It would say on the pump that you got 60 litros, but you would have around 54 at best in your tank.

DavidE - 6-12-2013 at 03:04 PM

ONLY if you order in dollars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jesus, what does it take to get this point across?


DOLLARS and PESOS are NOT LINKED so that both agree WHEN pesos are punched into the keypad rather than liters. TWO COMPUTATIONS, two databases, one for Dollars WHICH IS PUNCHED IN WHEN YOU SAY "FILLER-UP" rather than liters. The tattletale between the two? Piece of cake...if the attendant is hand squeezing a liter order he IS SCREWING YOU. A liter order races to the exact centavo and stops at blurring speed. Really savvy attendants like at all SERVICIO SAHISA stations memorize 10, 15, 20, and 30 liter PESO amounts and then enter the exact equivalent of liters using PESOS. Got it?

Screw them up, order 78 liters or 22 liters, something they cannot memorize.

If they stand there with their calculator, I haul AsS. It's a setup.

PEMEX is spending TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS replacing the "new" pumps with ones that do NOT have a data port access to the computer, only a keypad access that LINKS pesos to liters. So the gasolinera can ONLY change the price of fuel. So if I pull in a see an LED readout of say 67 pesos a liter it's sorta a clue that a screwing is in the works.

Yeah, the verification of what I say here comes direct from Petroleos Mexicanos.

Some stations, and SELECTED PUMPS of crooked stations are rigged to cheat on PESOS entered transactions.

And no, existing pumps cannot rig the liters dispensed when ordered by the liter. PROFECO tests pumps by liter orders. Too many found-rigged pumps and the concessionaire loses his FRANQUICIA.

For fun I ordered up 20 liters at the SAHISA station. When the attendant stood there hand squeezing 20-liters I roared out of the car and screamed at him "Do you think I'm stupid or what?" He turned beet red. "Unless you admit you are cheating I am filling out three complaints, one to PROFECTO, the second to la producaraduria del estado, and the third to Petroleos Mexicanos! Andele! Dijame!"

"Sorry seņor, I was cheating" Please do not complain".

VERBATIM

If you insist on getting screwed do it on your own time and peso but please do not keep insisting this is not happening.

El Jefe - 6-12-2013 at 04:35 PM

OK, I think maybe I am beginning to understand what you are saying David. If I order in pesos the attendant will enter a number in pesos into the computer on the pump and the pump will shut off at that peso level. If I order in liters, instead of hand squeezing up to the amount I ordered, he can/should enter the amount in liters into the computer and the pump will stop at that many liters. And I will actually get that many liters?

DavidE - 6-12-2013 at 07:02 PM

The crooks quickly discovered the flaw in the "new digital pumps". A guy comes around with a laptop programmed to fit the data port on the pump. The laptop "speaks" to the dispenser computer and skews the denominator. The dispenser works on a separate principle when cash is selected. "If this much money is entered (and limited by the clickoff), then that much money MUST be the correct amount. BAD BAD vulnerable design. People in Mexico City got fired over approving the vulnerable dispensers.

Have not seen the newest taper proof pump. The software detects the presence of an intruder and trips an alarm. The circuit goes dead forever until it is returned to the factory, with flares, flags, blaring horns and skyrockets announcing someone tried to access the RAM without entering multiple codes. The serial number on the pump announces which "clave" is applicable to that particular dispenser. Hope this slows them down. Some rich bastard screwing some farmer that can barely feed his family. It is not the company it is the Franquicia. I'll say this again, Seņor SANCHEZ "SAHISA" is a crook, Ensenada area station owner. I accused him to his face in 1994 in front of Carlos the owner of the Hotel Bahia in Restaurant Tortuga. Wanna get screwed go to the gasolinera on the Intersection of Delante and the transpenisular carratera and say "Lleno Por Favor" Sanchez owns more than six stations.

willardguy - 6-12-2013 at 08:04 PM

and just when you think the big Easy can't outdo himself!:lol:

bajadogs - 6-12-2013 at 10:15 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Wonder if the Pemex you used also waters the gasoline? Do try Baja Cactus (El Rosario) during your drive... I always get more MPGs out of Pemex than California gas. I attribute it to being real gas and not diluted with ethanol.


I always get better milage on both my moto and my truck when in Baja. BUT It's not because of the gas. It's because I'm not driving/riding stop-and-go traffic like we get in So Cal. I can PROVE THIS by heading into Baja with a full tank of California gas and get nearly 300 miles on my moto. The same tank of the same So Cal gas will only get 220 - 230 at best in San Diego. You live by the Oceanside Mission David. How many signal lights, stop signs do you hit before you get on a gridlocked freeway? How often do you cruise at a comfortable speed without hitting the brakes for a hundred miles or so? Can you remember the last time you used cruise control in SD? Impossible if you are in the heart of Oceanside surrounded by 65 mph highways with signal lights. That's the kind of stop-and-go driving that sucks gas.

I have also topped off in Mexico with Pemex and it does not get me any farther in San Diego traffic, because of the type of driving. Palomar AP Road you know. :cool: It ain't the gas.

($3.85 in Carlsbad today btw)

David K - 6-12-2013 at 10:48 PM

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Originally posted by bajadogs
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Wonder if the Pemex you used also waters the gasoline? Do try Baja Cactus (El Rosario) during your drive... I always get more MPGs out of Pemex than California gas. I attribute it to being real gas and not diluted with ethanol.


I always get better milage on both my moto and my truck when in Baja. BUT It's not because of the gas. It's because I'm not driving/riding stop-and-go traffic like we get in So Cal. I can PROVE THIS by heading into Baja with a full tank of California gas and get nearly 300 miles on my moto. The same tank of the same So Cal gas will only get 220 - 230 at best in San Diego. You live by the Oceanside Mission David. How many signal lights, stop signs do you hit before you get on a gridlocked freeway? How often do you cruise at a comfortable speed without hitting the brakes for a hundred miles or so? Can you remember the last time you used cruise control in SD? Impossible if you are in the heart of Oceanside surrounded by 65 mph highways with signal lights. That's the kind of stop-and-go driving that sucks gas.

I have also topped off in Mexico with Pemex and it does not get me any farther in San Diego traffic, because of the type of driving. Palomar AP Road you know. :cool: It ain't the gas.

($3.85 in Carlsbad today btw)


Oh I know the difference between city and highway driving. I gauge my MPG at every fill up. Around town is about 15 mpg (stop n go). Highway only is 18 mpg. With Pemex, fully loaded truck, driving fast when I can, Ensenada city traffic, and then waiting at the border, I got over 19 mpg! Have you heard of Fuelly.com? Join it and make graphs of your mileage.

Bruce R Leech - 6-13-2013 at 08:16 AM

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Originally posted by DavidE
The crooks quickly discovered the flaw in the "new digital pumps". A guy comes around with a laptop programmed to fit the data port on the pump. The laptop "speaks" to the dispenser computer and skews the denominator. The dispenser works on a separate principle when cash is selected. "If this much money is entered (and limited by the clickoff), then that much money MUST be the correct amount. BAD BAD vulnerable design. People in Mexico City got fired over approving the vulnerable dispensers.

Have not seen the newest taper proof pump. The software detects the presence of an intruder and trips an alarm. The circuit goes dead forever until it is returned to the factory, with flares, flags, blaring horns and skyrockets announcing someone tried to access the RAM without entering multiple codes. The serial number on the pump announces which "clave" is applicable to that particular dispenser. Hope this slows them down. Some rich bastard screwing some farmer that can barely feed his family. It is not the company it is the Franquicia. I'll say this again, Seņor SANCHEZ "SAHISA" is a crook, Ensenada area station owner. I accused him to his face in 1994 in front of Carlos the owner of the Hotel Bahia in Restaurant Tortuga. Wanna get screwed go to the gasolinera on the Intersection of Delante and the transpenisular carratera and say "Lleno Por Favor" Sanchez owns more than six stations.



where are the other 5?

DavidE - 6-13-2013 at 10:29 AM

Another is on the truck route into town (Ensenada), drop down the hill, and on the far left corner as you zig one block over to the right. Ask the attendant: "Es gasolinera de SAHISA" If the answer is "Si" then you will know.

One of the worst offenders was the middle-of-nowhere gasolinera south of the entronque to Bahia de Los Angeles. The one with the above ground tanker and gravity feed despensers. Sanchez fumed that he had to close it because the employees were ripping him off. I used to sit at the table next to the round table at restaurant tortugas and listen to the SOB brag to the morning coffee clique just how much money he was making and who he had screwed worst the day before. Carlos, the owner of the Bahia Hotel, handed him a copy of the Wall Street Journal, and the results of a gasoline verification study and Sanchez' face turned so purple I thought he was going to have a stroke. The others people (I think there were seven total) laughed so hard, tears flowed, and they were pounding the table. I got mad as hell at Carlos about that. This happened 20-years ago. I got fed up with rich screwing the poor. Yeah, and this story is not BS nor is it embellished. I let my temper get the best of me.

Pescador - 6-14-2013 at 06:19 PM

I did not check gas prices, but today in Santa Rosalia, the Diesel prices are 11.56 per litre, not 11.83. So unless this is a north border price, there must be an error someplace.

PCbaja - 6-14-2013 at 08:04 PM

Paid 12.00 for Verde this afternoon inTJ.

DavidE - 6-15-2013 at 10:14 AM

Pemex has been hinting at allowing different stations (areas) a little latitude in setting pump prices. This bears watching. I'm headed north next week for a few days and will observe a few dispenser prices. Close to the border prices have been higher for several years.

Pescador - 6-15-2013 at 12:33 PM

Yes, that was approved so that they were not bought out by Norteamericanos crossing over and buying up large quantities of gas. But I checked all the prices south and still come up with 11.56 per litre for diesel.

DavidE - 6-15-2013 at 12:50 PM

I believe Pemex allows for a precio maximo so Pemex claimed. This absolutely means the prices announced by the company many NOT be the price as used by the gasolineras. Means the return to actually checking prices at the pump and not relying on Pemex announcements. Weird. I'm going to ignore future announcements. Thanks.