A beachfront community in Baja, Mexico, on the Sea of Cortez is the next target of Valley businessman Jim Grogan, a luxury home builder who is teaming
with another prominent builder from Tucson and Canada and consultants in Mexico and Washington, D.C.
Grogan is chief executive of Loreto Bay Co., which is designing a community of 5,000 residences on the eastern shore of Baja California. Loreto Bay is
5 miles outside the community of Loreto, a fishing town of 12,000 residents. The site is about 300 miles north of Cabo San Lucas.
"This is an 8,000-acre development with a series of nine phases," Grogan said. "Phase one is right on the beach."
Housing options include $2 million beachfront homes; single-family courtyard homes starting at $150,000; three- and four-bedroom courtyard homes
priced between $200,000 and $650,000; live-work residential units in a town center; and condominiums.
The residences are not fractional ownership or time-share properties, but Grogan said his company will manage and rent the properties for the owners
when the homes are vacant. The western United States and British Columbia will be the company's first sales regions. The potential market includes
second-home and retirement buyers.
One 18-hole golf course exists today along the Sea of Cortez, and there are plans to add two more as the community develops. Loreto Bay officials have
been meeting with Troon Golf in Scottsdale about managing the future courses, said Tim Schantz, Troon Golf's executive vice president of acquisitions.
Construction of the first residences is to start in September with the first homes ready for delivery as early as first-quarter 2004. Financing for
the project will be arranged by Baja Developments LLC, a New York company formed by The Trust for Sustainable Development, a not-for-profit, federally
chartered land and community development corporation active in Canada and the United States.
The trust signed an agreement in July with Fonatur, the Mexican agency responsible for promoting national tourism, giving the trust control over the
development of about 8,000 acres in Loreto Bay. About 5,000 acres will be preserved for open space or recreational purposes.
Loreto Bay's infrastructure, including streets, sidewalks, water and wastewater systems, and telephone lines will be installed and maintained by
Fonatur for at least 25 years, according to the development agreement.
The agreement includes 350 home sites already fully serviced by utilities, streets and other infrastructure.
loreto bay
capt. mike - 8-18-2003 at 03:23 PM
this is 1st class!!PabloS - 8-19-2003 at 04:54 PM
WELL, there goes the neighborhood
[Edited on 8-19-2003 by PabloS]
beanz
estrella de mar - 11-16-2003 at 06:45 PM
sounds like a scene right out of the Milagro Beanfield War ... it makes me sick: where's the drinking water going to come from? where's the waste going to go to? how will those fish breed fast enough to keep up
with all those skinny-kneed sun burned sport fishermen?
it's amazing how we spread the American Dream as if it's been blessed by God. avarice and greed cloked in green grass and golf courses ... geeez
estrella de mar
Estrellas
Ski Baja - 11-16-2003 at 06:56 PM
You are definitely a shining star in my book!!Skeet/Loreto - 11-16-2003 at 07:44 PM
Remember "A Fool and His money is soon parted"
Anyone that gives these people $5,000 for a Position to buy a Lot should have his or Her Head examined.Skeet/Loreto
Loreto Bay lot sales
Phil S - 11-16-2003 at 08:34 PM
Skeet. There were about 125 people who came down Thursday, and with 40 lots being offered, 38 were sold & two other buyers held out for choice of
lots in Phase II that will be held Feb. 15th. If this is a "scam" it certainly must be one of the most "slick" ones I've ever seen. Had a nice
breakfast visit this morning with Darlene Tait, who is in charge of marketing and she said the calling of names for those who will receive lots were
of much excitement & applause. Many of the buyers I'm told were purchasers of other projects they have done in Victoria. There are believers in David
Butterfield for sure!!!!
And may you all rot in heck!
Ski Baja - 11-16-2003 at 10:02 PM
And may you all rot in Canada! Or Phoenix!
Hey people, why so sour on baja development??
capt. mike - 11-17-2003 at 06:44 AM
If you don't want to buy...., then don't. If it busts, so what's new? if it succeeds, then some people will have a piece of a dream. Where's the harm?
A lot of Mexicans will get good work and pay. Ultimately there is a manafest destiny to build and develop raw land to support populations and growth.
Money is fluid, like water it can flood and can also dry up and even evaporate. As a general contractor and developer I have heard it all from the
naysayers, eco-N-zis, low growth-slow growth types and it seems a main tenet is "once i have mine, its now too crowded so it must stop" its killing
the earth.....blah blah blah....i say let the free market decide what's viable and what will succeed, along with the people who control the resources.
I love people who buy a home or a lot next to or close to an ALREADY EXISTING airport , and then b-tch long and loud about airport noise. Some nut is
trying to get the Scottsdale AZ airport closed, it employs 2000 people and has been around since the 50's! no one had to buy a home close to it - it
was free choice, they are free to move again too if they don't like what they got. So can baja buyers.
time will tell
jerry - 11-17-2003 at 08:28 AM
i agree captian mike time is the only way to tell if it flys or not
theres allway some good that will come out of any project hope fully the locals will get there part
just jerrySkeet/Loreto - 11-17-2003 at 09:58 AM
Capt. Mike: Time will tell!!
If you had a chance to read my Posts you would see that "If" the development is not a "Scam" then it will benefit the Peopleof Loreto and the Indians
that come over to do the Work.\After going through the Escondido Deal with the French, The Presidente ,MacEnroe Golf Course, I see where the Good and
Bad follows.
The whole premise of my Post has been whether or not it is a Scam. Time will Tell in the meantime I would strongly suggest that people buy at Miramar
where ther neighbors would be Mexicanos. They would inprove there minds!! Instead of locking your family in a gated Community seek out the Mexicanos
and learn a new Culture. I am sure they would all be surpised.Skeet/Loreto
Capitan Jorge de Loreto
Capt. George - 11-17-2003 at 11:54 AM
Living in town and loving it! Had a few drinks with some people involved in Nopolo...they?re very hopeful, not for me.
Will operate along the lines suggested by mi amigo Skeet.
Pressed for time right now, will get back with a report on trip across country and down Baja....We loved it...Have missed all you amigos, door will
always be open on Calle Davis...come for a Pacifico....
Our warmest regards, George & deborah
I for one am very hopeful...
Anonymous - 11-17-2003 at 12:48 PM
I'm very glad to hear from Phil S that the meetings over the weekend were a success. AS a mother ot two very small kids, (and one was with the flu) I
didn't have the opportunity to go to El Camino Real this weekend. I'm glad Phil was able to investigate for me..
I do not believe that Loreto Bay is any scam. And Miramar? C'mon Skeet who is the target buyer here?...affluent, hard working, english speaking
folks that want a second home. They don't intend to learn the spanish language but want to be part of an exclusive enclave. So that is their choice
and it does not make them bad folks. These people would not even want to drive through Miramar they would hate it. (FYI: I live in Miramar.) It
seems that there's a bit of jealousy in your comments, and in those of some others here.
I live in Loreto full time, all year long, have a family, stepkids that go to school, little ones in nursery school, I speak spanish as well as
english and I see the state of the local economy. Loreto really needs this. More flights have already been announced as a result of this project.
Speak to every businessperson in here and you'll find that this is the exact kind of stimulation of tourism and the economy will save this place.
Remember this project has been in the works for over 25 years by FONATUR. So it is not a new concept. And isn't it better that the Trust for
Sustainable Development be in charge of Loreto's Nopolo project than FONATOUR? We've seen what FONATOUR can do. Like Gene Kira says "FONATUR builds
monoliths in the middle of nowhere, then abandons them".
The plan presented by Loreto Bay is a much better one than that which FONATUR had. Some long time residents have probably seen these plans floating
around....they were of out dated high rise hotels, in an Acapulco style megaresort kind of presentation. This is not, thank goodness, what Loreto Bay
has planned. And this is how I have convinced myself that this is a good thing for Loreto.
That last anonymous post was me
flyfishinPam - 11-17-2003 at 12:50 PM
I forgot to sign in.Marie-Rose - 11-17-2003 at 02:01 PM
This is why this board is so great!!! Thanks to Pam, Skeet, Phil for all the info. My husband and I are anxious to spend some time and see for
ourselves.
Phil will send e-mail later.
well said Pam!! and Skeet, i understand
capt. mike - 11-17-2003 at 04:01 PM
your point of view too.
I too feel some who want baja to remain an isolated natural wonder are jealous that perhaps they don't have the resources to invest in a 2nd get-a-way
or retirement home that is not cheap! i will be happy with my little trailer and palapa, but i will enjoy going over to wealthy friends' places to
visit and enjoy their good fortune!Skeet/Loreto - 11-17-2003 at 04:20 PM
Pam! I knew it was you after the first line. and I think you words are well said from one side of the issue.
However that said:
If the very rich people will pay for getting the water into there with out taking it from the citzens of Loreto that will be fine.I feel very sorry
for those people who will go to Loreto and become Prisoners of their own selfesh interest. They will live there for 20 years and never meet "Alex" or
Ericka" on the dump picking up cans so that their family will have some Propane. This is the shame of this development and what it will bring.
Yes some of the people will benefit and that is one reason you always see me telling the TRuth about Loreto. In spite of those people coming into
Loreto to only enjoy its beauty and not even look at its People I say to them that they are the Losers.
Again I am not aginst the Development only concerned that it will not work- out.
I can understand why people would want to escape Victoria, one of the worst Toxi Waste Diasters in the World .Its Bay.
Can anyone think about the Smell of Loreto if this development does not do a sewage system in the proper manner.
I am gald I was able to live in Loreto for so many years and,learn to love its people as well as its beauty.
To each his own!!!Skeet/Loreto
Alex and Erica
Ski Baja - 11-17-2003 at 08:27 PM
will end up on meth like the rest of the places development has happened so those rich folks won't be missing anything Skeet.
I'm getting the feeling that Baja, as we knew it is going to go the way of California and be gone before we know it.
I hope I am wrong. And I am amazed that any of you feel it is OK to develop the few remaining "wild" and most unique places left on the planet.
Why not do this in for one, your own country and for two, somewhere there is water and equipped to deal with a development of this size.
Shame on all of you that promote development for selfish reasons. And rather than trying to preserve the planet, you still feel it's OK to bribe
everyone to get your selfish ways. Developing the few remaining natural areas is stupid if you look at it from a human rather than a financial and
greed driven perspective.Skeet/Loreto - 11-18-2003 at 10:18 AM
J. R. Again I will take exception with your ideas about development.
Do not worry as if you run out of Isolation I can send you to some places that will never be developed.There are many places left in Baja Sur!!!
We all need to Hope for the future that we may find the solutions to our problems that will gives all a chance of a good life!
Wouls it not be a shame if we all stayed the same as we are now,just look at our Hateful words toward other Posters and their ideas. I am guilty of
getting upset. We must try to be better people instead of living on the Negative side of Life. Skeet/Loretojerry - 11-19-2003 at 01:56 AM
sorry jr your going way too far
off the wall your low blows are not ideals perhaps you should lighten up
just jerry
better life
estrella de mar - 11-19-2003 at 07:30 AM
could we say that the develpoment in CSL has brought a better life to everyone there? have all the spring breakers, tourists, and sport fisherpersons
added to the quality of life for local residents? has all the sewage, trash and noise beautified the land and sea? i don't think it is development
per se that is wrong. i just think the way it is currently planned (at least in Mexico where there is less oversight) takes no consideration for the
unique ecology of the land and sea, nor does it consider the affects on locals. there is an assumption that work is good--that it leads to a better
life. does working 40 or 50 hours a week cleaning homes mean a better life? what kind of wages are being offered? are there health benefits? is
over time paid? i suspect that most of the gringos interested in these high-end developments care very little about these things and care even less
about convservation ecology. to respond to Captain Mike's observation about 'enviro-N-zis,' i would say that perhaps there are those types out there,
but there are also level headed individuals who are working not to stop development in its tracks but to begin a new era of integrating ecological
(read: humanitarian) concepts into every development plan that could potentially alter the local ecology and way of life. (By the way, I like Captain
Mike and have flown with Screaming Airlines ).
like an earlier poster noted, i am not here to bash other posters as i think we all share a love for Baja California and i respect all of you.
though i am new here i appreciate this forum and the issues and ideas shared here. !gracias!
estrella de mar
Low blows
Ski Baja - 11-19-2003 at 10:30 AM
Jerry, not sure where you get the idea of my statements being low blows. I have friends that have lived in Bahia de los Angeles their entire lives.
And if you can believe this, they are actually Mexicans. Not the new Gringo community that seems to think they belong there because they have a
vacation home or know some peoples names there.
My friends there have told me that Crystal Meth has become a major problem there. Just like in the States. Now, I wonder why that would be. Mexican
Mafia trying to get all the fishermen hooked because they have so much money ? I don't think so.Skeet/Loreto - 11-19-2003 at 11:07 AM
Estella:Thank you for a good Post.
I had the unique pleasure of being in and around Loreto since 1968.
When I first arrived there was a Generator and no Sewage System,water was in short supply. Most of the Shacks and houses had Septic or at least large
Hole for Sewage.
As more fisherman came to Loreto money was spent on Trash Barrells bought by Senora Gloria Davis.,To my knowledge there was only one Sewer Problem and
that was the Mission Hotel{And still would be if it was open}
As money came in from the building of the El Presidente a Sewer System was installed.It did not have a treatment Plant, only a large Pond North of
Loreto where the sewage flowed down to the Malacon and then was pumped to the Pond. It was a Diaster until the Treatment plant was finally
built,Streets where paved{concrete} andElectrical came from La PaZ
As I watched this process occur I was amazed that the Poor People of Loreto could keep their water much cleaner that the canadians at the Bay at
Victoria !!!!
The mexican People do a fair Job when they have to!But as you are aware Mananna is more inportant.
With out getting into the discussion of wherther "Work" is good or not. It is necessary to Work or live off of your family and that is not a very
respectful position in Loreto! Now as to Health Insurance. The people pay about $16.oo a year for coverage which from my knowledge of being in the
Hospitals in Constitution it is good Medical.
In one of my Post on another thread I indicated that a new and bigger Hospital is needed in Loreto/Nopolo.
If this project goes as they hope it will also be necessary for additional Schools.
Watching the Govt. operate all these years I feel that the Hospital and the School problem will be taken care of in Time.
Now the relationship of being a cleaning women is not so bad when you have had no work and desire to better yourself and your family. This work ethic
is displayed in the millions of Mexicano's going to the USA and doing all kinds of jobs that Americans will not do.
So I am not sure you are really thinking about the People.
As far as the Envior=nuts they are already in Loreto and the Mexican officials have learned if they pay Lip Servce to them that they will get money.So
I think that there is enough evidence to show that the Water will not be damaged.
The biggest problem will be Water for Drinking,Golf course etc. I do not beleive it will ever have enough to support a development of that size.
In my book Loreto and its people are the most valuable Asset !!They are somewhat different than the Mainland People.especially the ones from the
Mountains..
I will await a time witt Pateince to see if the Developers can Deliver.Who Knows!!
"The Shadow Do!"
Skeet/Loreto
Gato,
Ski Baja - 11-19-2003 at 11:27 AM
actually what they said was that the Gringos bring a higher quality of meth than they can get down there as a rule. Personally, I can't stand that
dung and what it does to people. I've lost many friends to Crystal Meth and it isn't very pretty to watch them disintegrate, no matter where you are.elgatoloco - 11-19-2003 at 11:55 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Ski Baja
actually what they said was that the Gringos bring a higher quality of meth than they can get down there as a rule. Personally, I can't stand that
dung and what it does to people. I've lost many friends to Crystal Meth and it isn't very pretty to watch them disintegrate, no matter where you are.
Sad, very sad. It is true that it is a VERY bad drug. I have known of some whose lives have been destroyed as well. Shame.
viva la gente
estrella de mar - 11-19-2003 at 04:30 PM
skeet~
thank you for your insightful and informative reply. you made some points i didn't consider... i hope it all works out well too!
estrella de mar Skeet/Loreto - 11-19-2003 at 07:13 PM
P;ease keep posting I like your Style'Estrella del Mar". Skeet.Loreto
Loreto Bay development
Phil S - 11-19-2003 at 10:37 PM
Ski Baja. I hope your comment of "you have lost many friends to Crystal Meth" doesn't reflect on who you associate with. I've never lost any friend
to any kind of drug. Maybe thats because I choose friends who make "good choices" in their lives. It's the decisions we make that decide our
futures. I'm not one of those "rich ones" you refer to, but was able to make right judgements regarding savings, and was able to start coming down
here about eleven years ago. Three years ago, I chose to buy in Nopolo (Loreto Bay) because it was a small community close to Loreto, minus, Roosters,
packs of barking dogs, overturning garbage cans, fighting, all hours of the night, Mexican cars that "hawk" their wares by honking their horns during
the day, and the cars that drive around the neighborhoods with loud speakers on the roof that are tape recorded "news of the day" or events coming up.
Loreto lacks a newspaper, and this one I guess is acceptable to all. Nopolo/Loreto Bay is not a gated community as you (geez I hope it was you) that
made that comment. Nor do I expect it to be in the future. We all have our reasons for being down here. How come you only stopped at your community,
rather than choosing further south? Personal choice? I guess we all have personal choices, for whatever reasons, huh???? I grew up in Oregon. I
watched my small community become Californicated!!!!!!!(and not intended to be a slam word) Next thing I knew, guess who became the most verbal about
"come up and visit, but GO HOME!!!!! You got it. The Californians who moved up and "got their piece of heaven) but didn't want anyone else to have
it. Maybe Ski Baja, some of them might have been relatives of yours!!! And that is how any area grows. Population expansion produces needs to
"spread out", and some go as far as other states. Some, like yourself have chosen to go to Baja. Isn't it great that we have that freedom of
movement? Even into other countries. More power to Canada if they have the money to come down here and do some developing. I'd say, they gave
Fonatur as Pam says, 25 years to do something with Nopolo, and since they didn't, they have a vision (profits yes, and what the hell, isn't that what
greases the squeaky axle of economy??? anyway???) I respect your ideals you provide on this website, but I've noticed that it looks like your a little
outnumbered on your views and how they should be accepted. But it is your view & opinion. I'd like to knew if you have gone to Loreto Bays website
and read about what their intentions are for down here. I can assure you that it will take some time to investigate their website, reading every
item, like I have done. I even felt it necessary to go to Scottsdale on the way down, and get "a feeling" of their operation, first hand. I like to
talk about something, when I have enought background to talk intelligently about it. You might have a different prospective, SKi Baja if you did so.
Let us know if you do, and how you feel about this after your read it all. And if you have read it already, I will still respect your opinion. Not
agree with it, but I'll respect it!!!! Annnnnnnnddddddddddddd, jerry. Your lot is being cleaned up, by someone. I can actually see your car for the
first time since I've been down here. Skeet/Loreto - 11-20-2003 at 09:32 AM
Phil: Thanks for a very informative Post!
Phil there are generally two kinds of People who go to Baja.
1Those with enough money to escape there Old digs and get away from themselves or others. This type of person usually builds a large house with a good
view and does not go outside except to Fish, Play Golf, or plant flowers. They are Happy doing their thing.
2. The second kind of person I guess is like me who Loves all those things that you mentioned about Loreto especially the Roosters!!Everything that
you get away from I seek!The people are still Lorretos Best Asset, the View is second.
I have no problems if the Canadains come to Loreto and create a New Town of Live ins who never know their neighbor and only know their Maid.That is
the right but somehow it does not set good with me.
One of the several reasons that my Wife and I decided to Leave Loreto was because of the kind of people moving in and trying to take control and do
everything "American Way" such as closing off the Beach so they would not have to look at the Poor Mexicano!!
I very much understand Pam's position as an American Fishing type operation in Mexicano Culture, I do not agree with that type of thing as in my
Heart I think that the Fisherman would be better off using a Mexicano fisherman without a GPS or Fish Finder to enable them to catch a Fish.Just a
personal note and belief nothing against Pam, She runs a good operation as well as Ty Miller.
I think that if more people would move to MiraMar they would learn about another Culture and they would better themselves!!
But you are right in that Money is the source of Progress.
Knowing How difficult it was to get water for the Golf course and the people of Loreto I realize that it may be 15 to 20 years before there is much
Building to be done.{ Except if we have a Terror Attack in L.A.}
When some of the very Large Homes were built in the past few years it was done with mostly Local Labor, now if it is done that way this time it will
help the people of Loreto which is my Choice. Skeet/Loreto
Loreto at nights
Phil S - 11-21-2003 at 07:08 AM
Skeet. I agree with you 100%. All that is "living the Baja experience". Unfortunately for me, (you might call it shell shock syndrome) but I find it
almost impossible to sleep at nights due to those examples I cited, during the earlier years that I did live in Loreto. And because of a condition
that causes me to "climb the wall" or jump out of my socks, at abrupt loud noises (no it wasn't because of Viet Nam) I found my "piece of paradise" in
Nopolo/Loreto Bay. When I'm calm enough, my trips into Loreto are full of wonderful smells, sounds, and visions. For anyone who has not spent at
least a week walking around or driving around this area, you've missed the "hidden jewel" of Baja. It ranks 10+ (off the scale) for me and my family &
friends!!!!!Skeet/Loreto - 11-21-2003 at 10:20 AM
Phil. Another good place at nigth is just off the Road between Loreto and Nopolo. Trun at the Electrical Plant and go up on the first Mesa. at night.
Ask my heart doctor told me the other day a Good Glass og Red Wine should be Taken for the rest of my Life. .Enjoy Loreto you lucky Bum. Skeet/Loreto
"first mesa"
Phil S - 11-22-2003 at 06:46 AM
Are you referring to Primer Agua? I think I'd like to take a bottle of wine & some cheese and my "honey" and go up to the pool, and skinny dip &
enjoy the evening. But I think they lock the gate these days. Maybe not when you lived here. Then you might be talking about the views of night,
looking at the lights, and the islands off shore. I think I'll have to try that "mesa" Thanks SkeetSkeet/Loreto - 11-22-2003 at 09:31 AM
Phils: Ask around and ye shall fine the right person with the Keys. There are several copies around. Then you can go up on a Full moon for some good
skinny Dipping. I gave my Key away when I left but am sure you know How to find another. skeet/Loreto
Skeet man...
flyfishinPam - 11-22-2003 at 02:55 PM
I can tell from your posts that you have not been in business here. Being in business causes you to have a different relationship with the people
here. And you are not informed of the responsibilities of someone who is in the position of being an employer, here or anywhere else in Mexico.
You also have no idea how my business operates. We are not an american fishing company using foreign guides and relying wholly on electronic
equipment. I am a broker of any local panguero or boatman who wishes more work. I pay these guys them the highest of any operator, and immediately
after services are rendered, and communicate with them. They love working for me and many seek my employment. I guess I'm a Mexcican fishing
operation who;s service is americanized. This, because it is americans who use our service- so it makes sense that we give the level of service that
is expected.
Phil I think that the mesa Skeet speaks of is at KM 115 there's a dirt road to the colonia, go up on top of the (I call it a hill) and take a look.
Nice. I am lucky enough to have a similar view just beyond Miramar where the roosters crow below me. I hate those megaphones and all the noise too.
And I think there's lots of noise here because folks don't know any different. Peace and quiet are things we hold dear, people (locals) here don't
have the same opinion. If I could afford to live in a quiteer neighborhood with the same killer view as I have now, I would too.
Simply put, I have interviewed many, many Loretanos and I speak their language and they want this stimulation in the economy that Loreto Bay will
bring.
On the meth subject. It is not americans or gringos that cause one to be on meth but the surroundings in which one that becomes addicted to
expericnce. That includes family. If a family is diligent in communication and dicipline chances are good that their children won't become addicted.
Its all about family and being responsible for the kids you bring into this world.
y esto es me dos centavos!Skeet/Loreto - 11-22-2003 at 04:03 PM
Pam: I did not mean that you had a bad Business.You are an Americano running a Business in Loreto just as I did for several years.I just prefer the
Local Pangaero who takes all the money home.Nothing personal at all.
Rancho Sonrisa S>A>de CV is still in opertaion.Property was bougth and sold. lots were split,.houses built ,and all of the money went back into the
local community.
I tried to keep it out of the hands of the new Architects and Contractors as as would on fishing.I spent 35 years as a friend to Alvaro and the
Murillo family and as a friend I will always recommend them.
You are very right about your Clientel they want English spoken and to catch fish which I understand you do very well.
When I wnet into business it wa not to make a lot of money it was to help some Mexicano familes sell their property and some Americanos to buy with
out being hosed around.I think you know by whom!!
Pam the only money I took out of Loreto was for what I got off the Ranch which I pirchased in 1972 and my wife and I built and planted every one of
the 350 Palms.
Loreto is still in my Heart and will always be!But I shall do everything possible to help anyone in Loreto.
If this new developemnt makes you a lot of money then that is Great,if it turns out to be a scam then that is not so great.
My wife and I chose to be members of the Mexicano comunity living on about $750. Month.
I think you are much better off living where you are I have sure learned a lot from those people.
Do you ever run across Alex or Ericka?Skeet/Loreto
Phil S. - right on brother!
capt. mike - 11-22-2003 at 04:52 PM
i'd buy there in an instant if they had a strip!Skeet/Loreto - 11-22-2003 at 05:00 PM
Capt. Mike :ARe you Persona non grata at the nearby Airport?Skeet/Loreto
Airplanes and places to land them
Phil S - 11-22-2003 at 06:59 PM
Capt. Mike.
Maybe for a small fee, you could make arrangements to land on the golf course. I'd recommend #11. I have no experience with tail draggers, only 172's
& 182's, other than my brothers Great Lakes bi plane back in the 70's. You could buzz my casa & I'd run down and pick up the pieces. Sorry. I meant
to say, pick you up. Or even easier would be to land on the highway, and taxi to your home.!!!!!!
Naw Skeet, i go in there as little as
capt. mike - 11-23-2003 at 07:29 AM
possible though, fees way too high - they're ripping off Gen Av there. we used to go to MMLT a lot more often in the past when it was easy.
now: $14 landing, $12 per noche tie down, they won't honor your 180 day visa so hit you and all pax for that at $21 a pop and, if you file outa there
a directo states, they PULL your good visa, the basteros!!
so... i don't go to Loreto much any more
did i mention the cab rip offs going from the airport....don't get me started!!
Phil, see you on the taxiway at Loreto Bay!Skeet/Loreto - 11-23-2003 at 12:43 PM
Capt. Mike. I know of what you speak!!
However ther is a good strip about 4 miles North of the Airport next to the "Penthouse" and I would think that you could talk to the owner Mr. Yee who
would let you land.! Skeet/Loreto
where's the drinking water going to come from? where's the waste going to go to? how will those fish breed fast enough to keep up
with all those skinny-kneed sun burned sport fishermen?
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