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Would Baja California extradite Edward Snowden?

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EnsenadaDr - 7-5-2013 at 05:21 PM

Yes folks, I am serious. Remember when Scott Peterson was trying to come SOB before being arrested for the murder of his wife, Laci Peterson?

Would Mexico hand over Snowden in a heartbeat? I hear Nicaragua is the latest country that is considering giving Snowden asylum. What a fascinating story, even though he is a modern day Benedict Arnold. His father, a government worker says he is a modern day Paul Revere.

bajaguy - 7-5-2013 at 05:26 PM

His father is an idiot.

What Snowden needs is a firing squad

DENNIS - 7-5-2013 at 05:28 PM

I don't think Baja is in the extradition business.
On the other hand, Mexico would turn him over in a second or say goodbye to their last drop of water from the Colorado River.

EnsenadaDr - 7-5-2013 at 05:33 PM

I think Mexico turned over a child molester to the US recently that was hiding out SOB. But I don't know if they would hand over this guy...remember the young guy that was a descendant of the perfume dynasty that Dog Chapman had to go down and smuggle back from Puerto Vallarta?

bajaguy - 7-5-2013 at 05:37 PM

Apples and oranges, Doc.

I'm sure if there is an INTEROPL Red Notice on Mr Snowden, he may have a hard time going anywhere. don't know if his "crimes" would qualify for aslyum.

edm1 - 7-5-2013 at 05:37 PM

Why s ths in Baja News, not in the Political forum?

mojo_norte - 7-5-2013 at 05:39 PM

Unfortunately, He doesn't have enough dirt on his hard drive to make it worthwhile for any country to deal with the consequences for harboring him. Obama wants him bad for exposing all the dirty deeds his administration has been up to. He's a hero in my mind.

EnsenadaDr - 7-5-2013 at 05:39 PM

sorry I didn't see a Political forum category.

DENNIS - 7-5-2013 at 05:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by edm1
Why s ths in Baja News, not in the Political forum?


It's a slow news day, but the thread should probably keep it's bags packed for a trip to OT when Doug sees it here.

bajaguy - 7-5-2013 at 05:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mojo_norte
He's a hero in my mind.





Guess it depends on where you stand......Just like the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter.

EnsenadaDr - 7-5-2013 at 05:43 PM

Dennis, I am asking about what Mexico would do here, why is this off topic? Would Mexico/Baja California extradite this guy? Sorry I am not talking about the San Diego Chargers which never gets put on OT, or talking about restaurants in San Diego.

mojo_norte - 7-5-2013 at 05:46 PM

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Originally posted by bajaguy
Quote:
Originally posted by mojo_norte
He's a hero in my mind.





Guess it depends on where you stand......Just like the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter.


He's a whistle blower - stand up for your constitutional rights which the government has been stepping on.

EnsenadaDr - 7-5-2013 at 05:47 PM

I want to know if Edward Snowden showed up in Guerrero Negro, would Mexico ship him back to the US? This is a political question that I really want some input on.
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Originally posted by bajaguy
Quote:
Originally posted by mojo_norte
He's a hero in my mind.





Guess it depends on where you stand......Just like the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter.

DENNIS - 7-5-2013 at 05:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Dennis, I am asking about what Mexico would do here, why is this off topic? Would Mexico/Baja California extradite this guy? Sorry I am not talking about the San Diego Chargers which never gets put on OT, or talking about restaurants in San Diego.


The topic is controversial.......some would say worse.
We'll see........

EnsenadaDr - 7-5-2013 at 05:51 PM

When you sign up for a National Security job, isn't it assumed that you keep your mouth shut? That is an implicated and contracted part of the job. Every country has its deep dark CIA and KGB methods. What would happen if Snowden had ratted on the Felix Arellano brothers? He would probably not get a chance to even request asylum.

Rights

bajaguy - 7-5-2013 at 05:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mojo_norte
Quote:
Originally posted by bajaguy
Quote:
Originally posted by mojo_norte
He's a hero in my mind.





Guess it depends on where you stand......Just like the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter.


He's a whistle blower - stand up for your constitutional rights which the government has been stepping on.





He made choices, maybe good, maybe bad......but instead of being a man, he ran like a rabbit.

My (our) 2nd amendment rights protect all of the others.

mojo_norte - 7-5-2013 at 05:53 PM

Off topic?
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Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Dennis, I am asking about what Mexico would do here, why is this off topic? Would Mexico/Baja California extradite this guy? Sorry I am not talking about the San Diego Chargers which never gets put on OT, or talking about restaurants in San Diego.


The topic is controversial.......some would say worse.
We'll see........

EnsenadaDr - 7-5-2013 at 05:58 PM

I think Mexico would hand over the guy, but I am not sure. I know they didn't hand over Andrew Luster, but what makes them hand over a child molester from the US and not a murderer? Are there any experts on international criminal law out there? Just asking!!

DENNIS - 7-5-2013 at 06:01 PM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I know they didn't hand over Andrew Luster,



Yes. They did. They took him away from that Dawg idiot and turned him over to the US.

mojo_norte - 7-5-2013 at 06:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I think Mexico would hand over the guy, but I am not sure. I know they didn't hand over Andrew Luster, but what makes them hand over a child molester from the US and not a murderer? Are there any experts on international criminal law out there? Just asking!!


Mexico would never let him set foot in the country.

EnsenadaDr - 7-5-2013 at 06:14 PM

Oh I see, they would catch him with their new super duper cameras at the newly built border El Chaparral crossing in TJ, where they stop and electronically scan every car, ask them to get out and examine their passports. Yes, I am sure he would never pass the high tech security either walking or crossing into Mexico. From what I am reading, Mexico will not hand over a criminal that will receive the death penalty in the US. When is the last time a Mexican official has asked you for identification crossing the border? Let's get real here.

DENNIS - 7-5-2013 at 06:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
From what I am reading, Mexico will not hand over a criminal that will receive the death penalty in the US.



Yes, and no. They won't hand over a Mexican national if he is to be tried and sentenced to death.
They couldn't care less about the yank.

Cisco - 7-5-2013 at 06:23 PM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
sorry I didn't see a Political forum category.




http://forums.bajanomad.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=3

mojo_norte - 7-5-2013 at 06:23 PM

His big problem is the US revoked his passport so he can't travel anywhere - he's stuck in transit at the Moscow airport.

Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Oh I see, they would catch him with their new super duper cameras at the newly built border El Chaparral crossing in TJ, where they stop and electronically scan every car, ask them to get out and examine their passports. Yes, I am sure he would never pass the high tech security either walking or crossing into Mexico. From what I am reading, Mexico will not hand over a criminal that will receive the death penalty in the US. When is the last time a Mexican official has asked you for identification crossing the border? Let's get real here.

DENNIS - 7-5-2013 at 06:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
When is the last time a Mexican official has asked you for identification crossing the border? Let's get real here.


They do at Chaparral if they put you in for inspection. Drivers license, passport and car registration.

Cisco - 7-5-2013 at 06:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Oh I see, they would catch him with their new super duper cameras at the newly built border El Chaparral crossing in TJ, where they stop and electronically scan every car, ask them to get out and examine their passports. Yes, I am sure he would never pass the high tech security either walking or crossing into Mexico. From what I am reading, Mexico will not hand over a criminal that will receive the death penalty in the US. When is the last time a Mexican official has asked you for identification crossing the border? Let's get real here.


What's up with you today?

You haven't been trying to get into the pain med's cabinet again have you?

DENNIS - 7-5-2013 at 06:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mojo_norte
His big problem is the US revoked his passport so he can't travel anywhere - he's stuck in transit at the Moscow airport.




We can only hope he's suicidal and all of the curtains in his room have cords. Strong cords.

DENNIS - 7-5-2013 at 06:31 PM

Maybe exile isn't so bad after all:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57592434-71/russian-spy-pr...

EnsenadaDr - 7-5-2013 at 06:42 PM

I was just responding to Mojo's comment that Mexico would never let Snowden in...they don't know who 99.99% of the people are that enter into the country is the point I was trying to emphasize.
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Originally posted by Cisco
Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Oh I see, they would catch him with their new super duper cameras at the newly built border El Chaparral crossing in TJ, where they stop and electronically scan every car, ask them to get out and examine their passports. Yes, I am sure he would never pass the high tech security either walking or crossing into Mexico. From what I am reading, Mexico will not hand over a criminal that will receive the death penalty in the US. When is the last time a Mexican official has asked you for identification crossing the border? Let's get real here.


What's up with you today?

You haven't been trying to get into the pain med's cabinet again have you?

EnsenadaDr - 7-5-2013 at 06:45 PM

I have a feeling that Putin and Snowden are at the Russian Palace on the Caspian sea smoking Cuban Cohibas and trading high espionage adventures. I always had a thing for Mrs. Pollifax's books.

mojo_norte - 7-5-2013 at 06:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I have a feeling that Putin and Snowden are at the Russian Palace on the Caspian sea smoking Cuban Cohibas and trading high espionage adventures. I always had a thing for Mrs. Pollifax's books.


Putin said he would take him in if he agreed to not leak any more dirt - Snowden refused - for now..

edm1 - 7-5-2013 at 07:18 PM

In the spirit of political discussion and nationalism (and patriotism), I'll bite.

I am sick to my stomach that only Snowden is being per/pro-secuted. Most people in this so called great country and the land of the brave is oblivious to the sins of perpetrators of the undenied allegations in the leak(s) - recording of internet activities, as well as telephone conversations, of the general public - which if true, are an unforgivable crime to the billions of Americans, including many of us in Baja Nomad. Why are the government leaders responsible for the crime not being prosecuted? Why are our representatives in Congress not doing the right thing about this? Why are so willing to accept the "national security" pacifier when our government leaders stick it into our mouths - why do we behave like infants? Why is there no uprising of the masses. It seems to me that the American people have indeed become a sick sub-species of the human race.

SFandH - 7-5-2013 at 07:33 PM

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Originally posted by edm1
which if true, are an unforgivable crime to the billions of Americans,


It's not as bad as you think, there's only 314 million of us. :lol:

One other comment of a general nature. This topic has nothing to do with baja. Nothing at all.

[Edited on 7-6-2013 by SFandH]

J.P. - 7-5-2013 at 07:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by edm1
In the spirit of political discussion and nationalism (and patriotism), I'll bite.

I am sick to my stomach that only Snowden is being per/pro-secuted. Most people in this so called great country and the land of the brave is oblivious to the sins of perpetrators of the undenied allegations in the leak(s) - recording of internet activities, as well as telephone conversations, of the general public - which if true, are an unforgivable crime to the billions of Americans, including many of us in Baja Nomad. Why are the government leaders responsible for the crime not being prosecuted? Why are our representatives in Congress not doing the right thing about this? Why are so willing to accept the "national security" pacifier when our government leaders stick it into our mouths - why do we behave like infants? Why is there no uprising of the masses. It seems to me that the American people have indeed become a sick sub-species of the human race.









I agree Emd1 its kind of ironic the countrymen as a whole can find such compassion for the Jew's Hitler led like Sheep to the Oven's Without realizing their own Goose was Cooked long ago.

[Edited on 7-6-2013 by J.P.]

edm1 - 7-5-2013 at 08:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SFandH
Quote:
Originally posted by edm1
which if true, are an unforgivable crime to the billions of Americans,


It's not as bad as you think, there's only 314 million of us. :lol:

One other comment of a general nature. This topic has nothing to do with baja. Nothing at all.

[Edited on 7-6-2013 by SFandH]


My bad - yes millions :-)

deportes - 7-5-2013 at 08:29 PM

Venezuela's Maduro has offered him asylum. Now if he can border the plane in Moscow is a different story.

DENNIS - 7-5-2013 at 08:43 PM

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Originally posted by deportes
Venezuela's Maduro has offered him asylum. Now if he can border the plane in Moscow is a different story.


I think Daniel Ortega, the Nicaraguan commie, did too.

EnsenadaDr - 7-5-2013 at 08:54 PM

Why does the U.S. always seem to be labeled as the bad guy?

edm1 - 7-5-2013 at 09:04 PM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Why does the U.S. always seem to be labeled as the bad guy?


I disagree. The U.S. is almost always labeled the good guy. But labels are not necessarily even close to the truth. It's all in the propaganda.

Marinero - 7-5-2013 at 09:36 PM

If you don't let him in, you don't have to keep him OR throw him out.

cessna821 - 7-6-2013 at 03:47 AM

Of course Baja would extradite, possibly even if a death sentence had been proposed. But there is much more in play here, some of it quite sinister.

The tactic of 'shoot the messenger' by governments who are upset has usually worked in the past.

This time, however, there are many other factors to consider, more serious even than the details that were disclosed.

This article, written by an American, really gets to the heart of what the mainstream media are ignoring completely.

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-07-03/us-vs-edward...

[Edited on 7-6-2013 by cessna821]

DENNIS - 7-6-2013 at 05:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Marinero
If you don't let him in, you don't have to keep him OR throw him out.



This treasonous individual should keep close in mind the demise of bin Ladin if he thinks he can hide.
Regardless of who does what, when or why, his actions were wrong, and he will answer to charges eventually. He'll spend the rest of his days sleeping with one eye open.

cessna821 - 7-6-2013 at 05:51 AM

As an addition to my previous post, here is a quote today from another 'spook'.

"Edward Snowden does not exist - the photograph is of a professional actor - the real whistleblower is still employed within the NSA and is anonymous"

The plot thickens!

[Edited on 7-6-2013 by cessna821]

[Edited on 7-6-2013 by cessna821]

BajaRat - 7-6-2013 at 05:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I want to know if Edward Snowden showed up in Guerrero Negro, would Mexico ship him back to the US? This is a political question that I really want some input on.
Quote:
Originally posted by bajaguy
Quote:
Originally posted by mojo_norte
He's a hero in my mind.





Guess it depends on where you stand......Just like the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter.




R U Serious.... The long arm of the law will reach him anywhere... and Baja ! come on.... as remote as you can be here this is no place to hide.

BajaRat - 7-6-2013 at 06:02 AM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Oh I see, they would catch him with their new super duper cameras at the newly built border El Chaparral crossing in TJ, where they stop and electronically scan every car, ask them to get out and examine their passports. Yes, I am sure he would never pass the high tech security either walking or crossing into Mexico. From what I am reading, Mexico will not hand over a criminal that will receive the death penalty in the US. When is the last time a Mexican official has asked you for identification crossing the border? Let's get real here.


Lady , I had no idea medical marijuana was legal in Ensenada. You might wanna cut back on your dose :lol:

monoloco - 7-6-2013 at 07:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by Marinero
If you don't let him in, you don't have to keep him OR throw him out.



This treasonous individual should keep close in mind the demise of bin Ladin if he thinks he can hide.
Regardless of who does what, when or why, his actions were wrong, and he will answer to charges eventually. He'll spend the rest of his days sleeping with one eye open.
Why do you think that it's treasonous to expose abuses of the 1st and 4th amendment by a government contractor, Booz Allen Hamilton, which is owned by the Carlyle Group? The implications of private contractors having carte blanche to electronically eavesdrop on virtually anyone in the US has chilling implications on our political and financial system. The Carlyle Group is a virtual who's who of banking, security, defense contractors, and petroleum interests, and ex-government officials and foreign billionaires like the Saudi royal family. What assurances and safeguards do we have that information they gather won't be subverted for their own benefit to blackmail politicians or front run economic intel for their own gain? In my opinion Snowden has done us all a great service in shining a light on these practices.

DENNIS - 7-6-2013 at 07:27 AM

Giving aid and comfort to the enemy is treasonous.

monoloco - 7-6-2013 at 07:54 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Giving aid and comfort to the enemy is treasonous.
What enemy did he give aid and comfort to? It seems to me that it's every patriotic American's duty to expose their government when it acts contrary to the constitution. As Benjamin Franklin once said:
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

EnsenadaDr - 7-6-2013 at 08:43 AM

I do not smoke marijuana. I do not take prescription or non-prescription pain medication. And as Doug pointed out, we can argue all we want about issues, but he posted something the other day about attacking the individuals that post. I am hoping you will take that comment somewhat seriously.
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Originally posted by BajaRat
Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Oh I see, they would catch him with their new super duper cameras at the newly built border El Chaparral crossing in TJ, where they stop and electronically scan every car, ask them to get out and examine their passports. Yes, I am sure he would never pass the high tech security either walking or crossing into Mexico. From what I am reading, Mexico will not hand over a criminal that will receive the death penalty in the US. When is the last time a Mexican official has asked you for identification crossing the border? Let's get real here.


Lady , I had no idea medical marijuana was legal in Ensenada. You might wanna cut back on your dose :lol:

watizname - 7-6-2013 at 08:44 AM

At some point, Snowden had to take an oath of allegiance to the US. He broke it and ran. He's a traitor, and a coward, pure and simple. If you think our government is the only one collecting intelligence by these methods, you should probably think again. Russia, France, China, Great Briton, Israel, and most of the rest, could probably listen to your phone calls in Baja, and probably do. I'll bet they know where to make bait around the east cape, and whose birthday party your going to, and the license number of all the cars of the campers in Coyote. Big Brother [remember that book??] is HERE, and has been for quite a while. I'm sorta glad our country is keeping up. Snowden deserves all the bad coming his way, and I would hope Mexico would extradite him.:coolup:

The Mexican Golden Rule

MrBillM - 7-6-2013 at 08:55 AM

Is to Follow the Gold.

In the Snowjob case, there would be NO Gold for Mexico.

And, a LOT of Lead.

monoloco - 7-6-2013 at 09:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by watizname
At some point, Snowden had to take an oath of allegiance to the US. He broke it and ran. He's a traitor, and a coward, pure and simple. If you think our government is the only one collecting intelligence by these methods, you should probably think again. Russia, France, China, Great Briton, Israel, and most of the rest, could probably listen to your phone calls in Baja, and probably do. I'll bet they know where to make bait around the east cape, and whose birthday party your going to, and the license number of all the cars of the campers in Coyote. Big Brother [remember that book??] is HERE, and has been for quite a while. I'm sorta glad our country is keeping up. Snowden deserves all the bad coming his way, and I would hope Mexico would extradite him.:coolup:
Everyone knows that the government spies, Snowden didn't reveal anything earth shattering in regards to that, every terrorist knows that electronic communications are easily compromised. What Snowden actually revealed is the degree that this has been out-sourced to private contractors. American citizens have a duty to expose government tyranny, the depth of the US government spying on it's own citizens is clearly contrary to the constitution. I would suggest you go reread the 1st and 4th amendments. Intercepting private communications of US citizens requires a warrant, period, congress, the judiciary, nor the executive branch can change that without amending the constitution.

mojo_norte - 7-6-2013 at 09:27 AM

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Originally posted by cessna821
Of course Baja would extradite, possibly even if a death sentence had been proposed. But there is much more in play here, some of it quite sinister.

The tactic of 'shoot the messenger' by governments who are upset has usually worked in the past.

This time, however, there are many other factors to consider, more serious even than the details that were disclosed.

This article, written by an American, really gets to the heart of what the mainstream media are ignoring completely.

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-07-03/us-vs-edward...

[Edited on 7-6-2013 by cessna821]


Good article- thanks for sharing

woody with a view - 7-6-2013 at 09:35 AM

he's a traitor ONLY because he ran. if he would have stood up to take his medicine i bet he'd have A LOT more sympathy.

that said, let's Seal Team Six his assss.

Bajaboy - 7-6-2013 at 09:42 AM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
he's a traitor ONLY because he ran. if he would have stood up to take his medicine i bet he'd have A LOT more sympathy.

that said, let's Seal Team Six his assss.


Yep:tumble:

monoloco - 7-6-2013 at 09:48 AM

Here's what former assistant sec. of the treasury under Ronald Reagan, Paul Craig Roberts had to say about it:"American patriots, who feel that they should be on “their” government’s side regardless of the facts, would do well to remember what true patriotism is. For Americans, patriotism has always meant allegiance to the Constitution, not to the government. The oath is to defend the Constitution against enemies domestic and foreign. The Bush and Obama regimes have proven themselves to be the Constitution’s worst enemies. It is not possible for a true patriot to support a government that destroys the Constitution. The United States is the Constitution. Our country is not the Obama regime, the Bush regime, or some other administration. Our country is the Constitution. The Constitution is our country."
The rest of the article is here:
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/06/28/washington-is-dri...

EnsenadaDr - 7-6-2013 at 11:36 AM

Bolivia is now offering Snowden asylum along with Nicaragua and Venezuela.

TMW - 7-6-2013 at 03:15 PM

To answer the original question, yes Mexico will/would extradite him provided the US does go for the death penalty which is and has been the standard between the US and Mexico. The guy really screwed up by running. He is now in a foreign country with no family and friends and will live the rest of his live on the run always wondering when the hammer will come down. The Chinese and Russians are only interested in how the spy system works and what we have. The other countries are only interested in making the US look bad and once the BS is over they will let him fend for himself. At some point he will most likely give himself up to the US and face the consequences which is most likely life in prison or at least 30 years to life which is most likely what the Wikileaks solder will get too. Two peas in a pod, maybe they can compare notes.

DENNIS - 7-6-2013 at 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by TW
To answer the original question, yes Mexico will/would extradite him provided the US does go for the death penalty which is and has been the standard between the US and Mexico.




What???
Quote:

Two peas in a pod, maybe they can compare notes.


Or become lovers. They deserve each other.
I'll bet the kids will be cute.

EnsenadaDr - 7-6-2013 at 05:14 PM

Slim pickens behind prison walls, just sayin'.

DENNIS - 7-6-2013 at 05:19 PM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Slim pickens behind prison walls, just sayin'.



What does Slim have to do with all this stuff?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slim_Pickens

EnsenadaDr - 7-6-2013 at 05:23 PM

http://idiomsandexpressions.com/category/keywords/slim-picke...
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Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Slim pickens behind prison walls, just sayin'.



What does Slim have to do with all this stuff?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slim_Pickens

willardguy - 7-6-2013 at 05:37 PM

so you mean slim pickins, not Slim Pickens!;) (from the best movie ever made!)(jmo)


EnsenadaDr - 7-6-2013 at 05:53 PM

What was the name of the movie? Secrets behind the prison walls?
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Originally posted by willardguy
so you mean slim pickins, not Slim Pickens!;) (from the best movie ever made!)(jmo)


willardguy - 7-6-2013 at 05:58 PM

pat garrett and billy the kid, james coburn, kris kristofferson, bob dylan........

DENNIS - 7-6-2013 at 06:22 PM

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Originally posted by willardguy
so you mean slim pickins, not Slim Pickens!;) (from the best movie ever made!)(jmo)



picky picki picky

mojo_norte - 7-6-2013 at 06:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by willardguy
so you mean slim pickins, not Slim Pickens!;) (from the best movie ever made!)(jmo)




However , Slim Pickens road the A-bomb at the end of Dr. Strange Love - the best movie ever made imo

That's WHY they say Opinions are like .................

MrBillM - 7-6-2013 at 10:56 PM

Well............often said related to Excrement.

EnsenadaDr - 7-7-2013 at 06:49 PM

Looks like Fidel Castro has been the latest to offer Snowden asylum. And we all know the relations between Mexico and Cuba...Snowden could take a plane from Cuba to Cancun or Monterrey in less than an hour.

SFandH - 7-7-2013 at 06:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Looks like Fidel Castro has been the latest to offer Snowden asylum. And we all know the relations between Mexico and Cuba...Snowden could take a plane from Cuba to Cancun or Monterrey in less than an hour.


From Cuba Snowden can take a plane to anywhere, except the US. The good news is he'll be exposing himself to arrest, or worse (better?).

Caribbean islands are very comfortable places, cheap rum, ganja, why leave?.

[Edited on 7-8-2013 by SFandH]

EnsenadaDr - 7-7-2013 at 07:27 PM

they are pretty high priced, though, and they have not offered him asylum...the guy knew when he took the job that he was supposed to keep secrets...if he didn't agree with the type of job he was to uphold he should have never taken it...

cessna821 - 7-8-2013 at 10:16 AM

Here are his reasons.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2013/jul/08/edward-sno...

mtgoat666 - 7-8-2013 at 12:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by monoloco
Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by Marinero
If you don't let him in, you don't have to keep him OR throw him out.



This treasonous individual should keep close in mind the demise of bin Ladin if he thinks he can hide.
Regardless of who does what, when or why, his actions were wrong, and he will answer to charges eventually. He'll spend the rest of his days sleeping with one eye open.
Why do you think that it's treasonous to expose abuses of the 1st and 4th amendment by a government contractor, Booz Allen Hamilton, which is owned by the Carlyle Group? The implications of private contractors having carte blanche to electronically eavesdrop on virtually anyone in the US has chilling implications on our political and financial system. The Carlyle Group is a virtual who's who of banking, security, defense contractors, and petroleum interests, and ex-government officials and foreign billionaires like the Saudi royal family. What assurances and safeguards do we have that information they gather won't be subverted for their own benefit to blackmail politicians or front run economic intel for their own gain? In my opinion Snowden has done us all a great service in shining a light on these practices.


Snowden is America's greatest hero so far in the 21st century. He should be added to Mt Rushmore, he should have a monument on the mall in wash dc. His birthday should be a national holiday. Reagan airport should be renamed snowden airport.

Of course, Mexico would deport snowden, Mexico does whatever USA wants.

[Edited on 7-8-2013 by mtgoat666]

DENNIS - 7-8-2013 at 12:40 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
Snowden is America's greatest hero



Your character reference alone will get him a firing squad.
Keep up the hero worship.

wessongroup - 7-9-2013 at 07:02 AM



He might try this place ...... don't know if the same band is playing



[Edited on 7-9-2013 by wessongroup]

edm1 - 7-9-2013 at 11:55 AM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
they are pretty high priced, though, and they have not offered him asylum...the guy knew when he took the job that he was supposed to keep secrets...if he didn't agree with the type of job he was to uphold he should have never taken it...


When we take employment and take the oath to keep secrets, those secrets are not revealed at that time. It is an honorable man's position to keep God/humanity, country, the business - in that order - above him/herself. It is when the secret is against the first two when we have a great reason to not honor the oath. Of course, for many, they reverse the order and put self on top. They call it self-preservation and throw honor out the door.

I'm with you on this

Bajahowodd - 7-9-2013 at 05:00 PM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
sorry I didn't see a Political forum category.


Already 75 + entries. Belongs in Off Topic, in my opinion.

Tovarich Snowden ?

MrBillM - 7-14-2013 at 08:51 AM

Nyet ?

Yet !

I suppose it will boil down to WHOM Putin dislikes more.

He is said to dislike and hold Snowden in Contempt and Disgust.

On the other hand, his contempt for B.O. is also well-known and the opportunity to stick it to him (and the U.S.) is certainly attractive.

In ANY case, Snowjob is probably right when he says that the only place he might remain secure is inside Russia.

We wouldn't tap him there. He isn't important enough to re-ignite those old Bad Relations.

It IS for sure that his life will never again be what he imagined it.

GOOD.

motoged - 7-14-2013 at 09:46 AM

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Originally posted by SFandH
his topic has nothing to do with baja. Nothing at all...[Edited on 7-6-2013 by SFandH]



Yes, but BN forum thrives on speculation and opinions,,,,don't let that notion stop a good rant....:cool: :biggrin:

motoged - 7-14-2013 at 09:51 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Giving aid and comfort to the enemy is treasonous.


I believe that the notion of "treason" only relates to providing such information to an enemy with whom the USA has formally declared war.....and the last formally declared war the USA was in was WW II.....the rest of the incursions fed by cannon fodder were undeclared wars....

I believe it says so constitutionally.....but I have been wrong before:coolup:

motoged - 7-14-2013 at 09:58 AM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
Is to Follow the Gold.

In the Snowjob case, there would be NO Gold for Mexico.

And, a LOT of Lead.


Mr. Bull,
Your poetry has the rhythm and meter style similar to Charlie Manson's blurbs ....sort of a psychotic haiku thing going on...:biggrin:

motoged - 7-14-2013 at 10:34 AM

Some thoughts:

A Country Founded by Geniuses but Run by Idiots.
Attributed to Jeff Foxworthy:

If you can get arrested for hunting or fishing without a license, but not for entering and remaining in the country illegally — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

If you have to get your parents’ permission to go on a field trip or to take an aspirin in school, but not to get an abortion — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

If you MUST show your identification to board an airplane, cash a check, buy liquor, or check out a library book and rent a video, but not to vote for who runs the government — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

If the government wants to prevent stable, law-abiding citizens from owning gun magazines that hold more than ten rounds, but gives twenty F-16 fighter jets to the crazy new leaders in Egypt — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

If, in the nation’s largest city, you can buy two 16-ounce sodas, but not one 24-ounce soda, because 24-ounces of a sugary drink might make you fat — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

If an 80-year-old woman or a three-year-old girl who is confined to a wheelchair can be strip-searched by the TSA at the airport, but a woman in a burka or a hijab is only subject to having her neck and head searched — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

If your government believes that the best way to eradicate trillions of dollars of debt is to spend trillions more — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

If a seven-year-old boy can be thrown out of school for saying his teacher is “cute,” but hosting a sexual exploration or diversity class in grade school is perfectly acceptable — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

If hard work and success are met with higher taxes and more government regulation and intrusion, while not working is rewarded with Food Stamps, WIC checks, Medicaid benefits, subsidized housing, and free cell phones — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

If the government’s plan for getting people back to work is to provide incentives for not working, by granting 99 weeks of unemployment checks, without any requirement to prove that gainful employment was diligently sought, but couldn’t be found — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

If you pay your mortgage faithfully, denying yourself the newest big-screen TV, while your neighbor buys iPhones, time shares, a wall-sized do-it-all plasma screen TV and new cars, and the government forgives his debt when he defaults on his mortgage — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

If being stripped of your Constitutional right to defend yourself makes you more “safe” according to the government — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.




And as for Slim Pickens:

That film clip is touching....it appears that even the lawman gets tired of killing.....maybe putting the badge down...("I can't use it anymore...") could be seen as a metaphor for the USA being the world's sheriff .....and being seen as the bad guy....

Correcamino - 7-14-2013 at 10:38 AM

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Originally posted by motoged
Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Giving aid and comfort to the enemy is treasonous.


I believe that the notion of "treason" only relates to providing such information to an enemy with whom the USA has formally declared war.....and the last formally declared war the USA was in was WW II.....the rest of the incursions fed by cannon fodder were undeclared wars....

I believe it says so constitutionally.....but I have been wrong before:coolup:


Article III, Section. 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

Don't really know what constitutes an "Enemy." I'd bet it includes our opponents in "shootin' wars" - as opposed to cold wars - even if they are undeclared. I remember a sailor on the USS Ranger was charged with sabotage in time of war for destroying the reduction gears on the ship. This was during the Vietnam war, so who knows what constitutes "time of war". Seems a like permanent state since 9/11.

Anyway, the Rosenbergs were executed for espionage, not treason, because they had conveyed information to a foreign government "relating to the national defense." That's pretty broad - and makes no mention of war or enemies. Jonathan Pollard was given a life sentence for espionage and he gave info to Israel. Seems like Snowden is in real trouble if we get our hands on him.

[Edited on 7-14-2013 by Correcamino]

schwlind - 7-14-2013 at 10:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by motoged
Some thoughts:

A Country Founded by Geniuses but Run by Idiots.
Attributed to Jeff Foxworthy:



All I can say is ditto that... and AMEN!

monoloco - 7-14-2013 at 11:07 AM

Quote:
Quote:
I believe that the notion of "treason" only relates to providing such information to an enemy with whom the USA has formally declared war.....and the last formally declared war the USA was in was WW II.....the rest of the incursions fed by cannon fodder were undeclared wars....

I believe it says so constitutionally.....but I have been wrong before:coolup:


Article III, Section. 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

Don't really know what constitutes an "Enemy." I'd bet it includes our opponents in "shootin' wars" - as opposed to cold wars - even if they are undeclared. I remember a sailor on the USS Ranger was charged with sabotage in time of war for destroying the reduction gears on the ship. This was during the Vietnam war, so who knows what constitutes "time of war". Seems a like permanent state since 9/11.

It seems like the new US government definition of enemy is any US citizen.

motoged - 7-14-2013 at 01:19 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by monoloco
.....
It seems like the new US government definition of enemy is any US citizen.


I think some of the citizens ARE the enemy:

http://www.wimp.com/strangepublic/

grizzlyfsh95 - 7-14-2013 at 02:20 PM

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[I think some of the citizens ARE the enemy:

http://www.wimp.com/strangepublic/



Unbelievable! A must see video

Correcamino - 7-14-2013 at 02:29 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by motoged
Quote:
Originally posted by monoloco
.....
It seems like the new US government definition of enemy is any US citizen.


I think some of the citizens ARE the enemy:



Some are really the enemy:


EnsenadaDr - 7-15-2013 at 08:46 AM

My question is this: How does Snowden know that the other countries i.e. Russia are not using sordid and unethical practices in their own countries i.e. KGB, and that the shared confidential information will be used for the good of all? Does he really believe that Russia, Bolivia, Nicaragua and Venezuela don't use illegal practices when it comes to their national security? Does he really believe sharing this information will benefit everyone involved?

EnsenadaDr - 7-15-2013 at 08:49 AM

What will the Russians do with Snowden when he no longer has information to give them? A cozy cabin in Siberia? (No heat of course)...who would want to keep this guy in their country, given the fact he is so trustworthy with classified information?

rea
Quote:
Originally posted by MrBillM
Nyet ?

Yet !

I suppose it will boil down to WHOM Putin dislikes more.

He is said to dislike and hold Snowden in Contempt and Disgust.

On the other hand, his contempt for B.O. is also well-known and the opportunity to stick it to him (and the U.S.) is certainly attractive.

In ANY case, Snowjob is probably right when he says that the only place he might remain secure is inside Russia.

We wouldn't tap him there. He isn't important enough to re-ignite those old Bad Relations.

It IS for sure that his life will never again be what he imagined it.

GOOD.

SFandH - 7-15-2013 at 09:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
What will the Russians do with Snowden when he no longer has information to give them?


They'll put him to work hacking into NSA systems. I'm sure the deal will be one he can't refuse. He'll have big problems if he's not successful and probably a very comfortable life if he is.

Score one, Putin.

J.P. - 7-15-2013 at 10:34 AM

We did not attain the status of #1 by Birth Right. It was Attained With Blood and Sacrifice and It is Foolish to think it can be Maintained with any less effort.

J.P. said that.

EnsenadaDr - 7-15-2013 at 11:24 AM

What are you referring to JP in this case?
Quote:
Originally posted by J.P.
We did not attain the status of #1 by Birth Right. It was Attained With Blood and Sacrifice and It is Foolish to think it can be Maintained with any less effort.

J.P. said that.

wessongroup - 7-15-2013 at 11:41 AM

Thanks motoged ...... for putting things into their proper perspective :lol:

J.P. - 7-15-2013 at 11:47 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
What are you referring to JP in this case?
Quote:
Originally posted by J.P.
We did not attain the status of #1 by Birth Right. It was Attained With Blood and Sacrifice and It is Foolish to think it can be Maintained with any less effort.

J.P. said that.





I didn't know there was a case what's your point?

EnsenadaDr - 7-15-2013 at 12:21 PM

What does #1 by birthright etc. have to do with Edward Snowden's situation.

mtgoat666 - 7-15-2013 at 01:01 PM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
What does #1 by birthright etc. have to do with Edward Snowden's situation.


i think he was just throwing out a jingoistic notion for lack of anything better to say,... :lol:

so has edward snowden been to baja? perhaps he spent a spring break in cabo and did upside down shots at the giggling marlin. and how about that girlfriend of his?

EnsenadaDr - 7-15-2013 at 01:21 PM

I know he was living high on the hog in Hawaii, and his pole dancer girlfriend was devastated when he left her for the Russian spy.

motoged - 7-15-2013 at 03:53 PM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
....his pole dancer girlfriend was devastated when he left her for the Russian spy.


What's the big deal....Polish women and Russian women are similar in so many ways...even some linguistic similarities.... :biggrin:

wessongroup - 7-16-2013 at 09:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by motoged
Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
....his pole dancer girlfriend was devastated when he left her for the Russian spy.


What's the big deal....Polish women and Russian women are similar in so many ways...even some linguistic similarities.... :biggrin:


:lol::lol:
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