BajaNomad - Just drove the Chapala-Gonzaga-San Felipe-Mexicali road

Just drove the Chapala-Gonzaga-San Felipe-Mexicali road

vandy - 7-29-2013 at 06:28 AM

I took the turnoff yesterday north of Guerrero Negro at Laguna Chapala and headed up the graded dirt road towards Gonzaga Bay, taking a new (for me since 1986) shortcut towards Phoenix, AZ.

"Graded" is a relative term. I'm sure the road would be much worse if it wasn't maintained at all...

I was driving a 98 Subaru Impreza AWD sedan with new tires, so I drove pretty aggressively.
Well, OK, when I wasn't going walking-speed around pan-breaking rocks and suspension-busting dips.

Anyhow, I measured 39.6 miles of dirt before I hit pavement, with no side trips. It took me 87 minutes including military inspection point before pavement.

That said, I think 2 hours would be a reasonable time to drive this. I wouldn't tow a trailer of any type, not just because of turn restriction on a long trailer, but because of the suspension.

Well, it sure made the pavement at Gonzaga seem like heaven! I got about 66 Km from San Felipe before I completely caught air from launching my vehicle at one of the vados. It seem that you really SHOULD slow down to the speed limit there.

Some short and one medium stretch of dirt-driving through construction, and going to Mexicali overall was a breeze. I crossed the border at San Luis. Way faster line than Tecate!

I may never drive through the Ensenada corridor again.
Let's see, the things I'll miss by taking this route:
Tecate to Ensenada wine country, and picking up olives and olive oil.
Views of the Pacific.
La Bufadora.
Clam cocteles at Mariscos California south of the San Quintin bridge.
The nice cool weather near the Pacific.
My favorite camping spot and white sage-gathering spots north of Catavina.

The things I won't miss:
Dusty, dirty crowded driving with lots of stops, and that's on pavement!
Ensenada.
Anally-greedy Tecate cops.
More cops.
Traffic.
Twisting hilly roads.
Having to drive through California to get to Tecate.

[Edited on 7-30-2013 by vandy]

chuckie - 7-29-2013 at 06:50 AM

The last one would be the priority!

Coco's

John M - 7-29-2013 at 07:21 AM

Was the new bridge open just beyond the military checkpoint at Gonzaga open? Two months ago it was supposed to be ready for traffic about now.

Did you make a stop at Coco's ?

John

daveB - 7-29-2013 at 07:22 AM

For an added twist make a right turn instead of heading up to Rio San Luis, and drive the Altair desert road into Rocky Point/ Puerto Penasco. This would not constitute a shortcut of course but is good road all the way.

BajaRat - 7-29-2013 at 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by vandy
I took the turnoff yesterday north of Guerrero Negro at Laguna Chapala

I may never drive through the Ensenada corridor again.
Let's see, the things I'll miss by taking this route:
Tecate to Ensenada wine country, and picking up olives and olive oil.
Views of the Pacific.
La Bufadora.
Clam cocteles at Mariscos California south of the San Quintin bridge.
The nice cool weather near the Pacific.
My favorite camping spot and white sage-gathering spots north of Catavina.

The things I won't miss:
Dusty, dirty crowded driving with lots of stops, and that's on pavement!
Ensenada.
Anally-greedy Tecate cops.
More cops.
Traffic.
Twisting hilly roads.
Having to drive through California to get to Tecate.

Great report, wow those vados come up fast

We're liking the slower pace of the drive, beautiful coastline and no pushy drivers. The dirt stretch gives me a chance to view the scenery, drop down a few gears and chill. Watch out for those wash outs on the dirt section !
I really miss stopping at Dona La La's outside of San Vincente for some of the best artisan cheeses in the world :yes:

See you on the flip flop space travelers :cool:

David K - 7-29-2013 at 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by John M
Was the new bridge open just beyond the military checkpoint at Gonzaga open? Two months ago it was supposed to be ready for traffic about now...

John

On July 22, 'willardguy' posted this on TalkBaja.com: "smooth sailing all the way to gonzaga bay, even the bridge at papa's was open 2 weeks ago. I wouldn't travel any further south in a low profile car though."

willardguy - 7-29-2013 at 10:49 AM

yup, it was open to traffic the weekend of the 13th. another little piece of news that kind of got buried, the entrance to alfonsinas is now gated with a full time guard. the gate is just back from the pemex. looks like the same thing on the other side of the runway into rancho grande is coming.
this is the new baja! :rolleyes:

TMW - 7-29-2013 at 11:00 AM

vandy thanks for the report.

A gate and guard, looks like somebody don't like somebody.

vandy - 7-29-2013 at 01:14 PM

Bridge is open, yes. No stops this trip.

My car has a little under 6" ground clearance and was OK, although 12" and big soft tires would have been nice...
A low-clearance car would have to take it really slow in places, unless it's a rental.
My 1979 Pinto almost made it in 1986; still down there somewhere.

BTW, I made the trip early in the morning. The sun was low and highlighted the rocks and dips well. At noon I would have beaten my oil pan or (shudder) have had to slow down.

msteve1014 - 7-29-2013 at 03:02 PM

Does not sound like a shortcut to Oxnard, but I may try it in a month. I have ac and jb weld in the truck. What's the worst that can happen? :light:

TMW - 7-29-2013 at 03:38 PM

I heard this today about the guard for Alfonsina's. Could it be true?

The guard shack is a ploy to get more $$ from the residents. $500 extra per lot per year. Big chunk of cash for Alphonsinas. None of the residents were happy about it.

Hook - 7-29-2013 at 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TW
I heard this today about the guard for Alfonsina's. Could it be true?

The guard shack is a ploy to get more $$ from the residents. $500 extra per lot per year. Big chunk of cash for Alphonsinas. None of the residents were happy about it.

So, the residents who pay per month are being asked to pay this to have access to their lot that they already pay on?

WOW, that's cold!

[Edited on 7-29-2013 by Hook]

woody with a view - 7-29-2013 at 04:33 PM

in 75 hours i'll be dipping my toes in the sand watching the sun go down at Gonzaga!!!

woo-HOOOOOO!

MMc - 7-29-2013 at 04:50 PM

You will also be a couple days late for the swell, bummer, Bet you can figure something out. Safe travels, tight lines.

Bajahowodd - 7-29-2013 at 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by vandy
I took the turnoff yesterday north of Guerrero Negro at Laguna Chapala and headed up the graded dirt road towards Gonzaga Bay, taking a new (for me since 1986) shortcut towards Phoenix, AZ.

"Graded" is a relative term. I'm sure the road would be much worse if it wasn't maintained at all...

I was driving a 98 Subaru Impreza AWD sedan with new tires, so I drove pretty aggressively.
Well, OK, when I wasn't going walking-speed around pan-breaking rocks and suspension-busting dips.

Anyhow, I measured 39.6 miles of dirt before I hit pavement, with no side trips. It took me 87 minutes including military inspection point before pavement.

That said, I think 2 hours would be a reasonable time to drive this. I wouldn't tow a trailer of any type, not just because of turn restriction on a long trailer, but because of the suspension.

Well, it sure made the pavement at Gonzaga seem like heaven! I got about 66 Km from San Felipe before I completely caught air from launching my vehicle at one of the vados. It seem that you really SHOULD slow down to the speed limit there.

Some short and one medium stretch of dirt-driving through construction, and going to Mexicali overall was a breeze. I crossed the border at San Luis. Way faster line than Tecate!

I may never drive through the Ensenada corridor again.
Let's see, the things I'll miss by taking this route:
Tecate to Ensenada wine country, and picking up olives and olive oil.
Views of the Pacific.
La Bufadora.
Clam cocteles at Mariscos California south of the San Quintin bridge.
The nice cool weather near the Pacific.
My favorite camping spot and white sage-gathering spots north of Catavina.

The things I won't miss:
Dusty, dirty crowded driving with lots of stops, and that's on pavement!
Ensenada.
Anally-greedy Tecate cops.
More cops.
Traffic.
Twisting hilly roads.
Having to drive through California to get to Tecate.

How about the entire stretch between Colonet and Socorro?

willardguy - 7-29-2013 at 05:53 PM

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Its my understanding a majority of the homeowners, weary of having their chit stolen, are totally on board and implemented this. look around alfonsina's these days, an extra 500 bucks a year isnt gonna impact these folks!
another big change, the fish camp is closed, fenced at the main road. fisherman now are using the old fish camp between beluga and rancho grande. result of a land dispute.
this isnt your fathers gonzaga anymore!

woody with a view - 7-29-2013 at 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MMc
You will also be a couple days late for the swell, bummer, Bet you can figure something out. Safe travels, tight lines.

last i looked they're calling chest high over the weekend. BIG YT and some waves and i'm good.

Sandlefoot - 7-29-2013 at 06:34 PM

we came through last week. Fueled up and made the turn to go down to Alfonsina's, saw the guard, looked to the other side of the landing strip and it was gated, We just headed on south and did business else where. The gate and guard is going to turn others on down the road. Don't want to guess the lost business there will be, maybe not enough to worry about!

HO HUM I just hate gates!!!!!!

Happy Trails

Mike

Desertbull - 7-29-2013 at 10:34 PM

I saw the gate guard and pulled up and was greeted very nicely. He asked where I was going and told him to have lunch, he gave me a pass and we had a great fish taco lunch, beers, we swam and paddle boarded and decided to spend the night... :lol:

Left in the morning and the guard was super nice!

The world changes all the time and all we can do is to adjust or blaze a new trail.

Safe travels!!!

David K - 7-29-2013 at 10:39 PM

Baja used to be a land with "hardly any fences"!

As Mama Espinoza is credited for saying: :Bad roads bring good people" and I will modify it to say: a paved Hwy. 5 will bring "all kinds of people"!

[Edited on 7-30-2013 by David K]

vandy - 7-30-2013 at 06:51 AM

Paved the rest of the way? Where's the incentive? Altruism? Convenience?
Maybe I'd believe governmental inertia...OK, I'd definitely believe that.

I can see paving to Gonzaga and maybe a few more miles. That is some prime real estate. The whole stretch that has been paved is eminently developable. Easy access from the north will bring in the people with money: you know, Merkins, Cajuns and Meskins. Not too much business from/to the south.

I personally love the idea of having my easy shortcut to the south, but if they paved my beloved East Cape road, or even the Agua Verde road, I'd be majorly peeed off.

BajaRat - 7-30-2013 at 07:59 AM

We talked to an Alfonsina resident last Christmas who had 20,000 dollars worth of crap stolen from his garage. He mentioned that there had been several other break ins

We also saw surveyors in the mountain passes south of green frog rock. that 30 plus miles looks like it would be very expensive to pave. I can only imagine that if it was paved we would see a huge increase in commercial traffic, exactly what we don't miss about Mex 1.

why pave?

akshadow - 7-30-2013 at 08:51 AM

Paved route on the east side of the Baja would shorten the route used by commercial truck traffic from mainland Mexico. It may certainly decrease the current baja experience of visitors but could have major benefits for Mexican employment, new mining etc.
these may be in conflict with your use of Baja, but are cash economy measures that are not afforded by beach campers and other ecological users.

Quote:

Originally posted by vandy
Paved the rest of the way? Where's the incentive? Altruism? Convenience?
Maybe I'd believe governmental inertia...OK, I'd definitely believe that.

I can see paving to Gonzaga and maybe a few more miles. That is some prime real estate. The whole stretch that has been paved is eminently developable. Easy access from the north will bring in the people with money: you know, Merkins, Cajuns and Meskins. Not too much business from/to the south.

I personally love the idea of having my easy shortcut to the south, but if they paved my beloved East Cape road, or even the Agua Verde road, I'd be majorly peeed off.

vandy - 7-30-2013 at 10:07 AM

Thanks for straightening me out.

Commercial truck traffic would be a practical reason to finish paving this road.
It's amazing how many trucks serve La Paz and Los Cabos; I never really thought about where they were coming from.

I sort of like trucks in south Baja...they help keep the cow population down.

progress

mtgoat666 - 7-30-2013 at 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BajaRat
I can only imagine that if it was paved we would see a huge increase in commercial traffic, exactly what we don't miss about Mex 1.

would be great if east route paving lessens the truck traffic on hwy 1, my preferred N-S route :bounce:

You can please some of the people some of the time, all of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time, but you can never please all of the people all of the time :light:

TMW - 7-30-2013 at 12:06 PM

Commercial trucks don't need no stinking paved roads, rough is good.

At Cocos last Nov.

mcfez - 7-30-2013 at 03:34 PM

For the commercial truck traffic.... it was the main route from south to north Baja years ago....it saved 3 - 4 hours of time......until the Pacific side got paved.

Once the Cortez side is paved...........there will be plenty of trucks hitting that road.

I can smell the McDonalds already..............

Welcome back Alaska Shadow......was the food good there.... at your extended stay last week? :lol:

[Edited on 7-30-2013 by mcfez]

David K - 7-30-2013 at 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mcfez
For the commercial truck traffic.... it was the main route from south to north Baja years ago....it saved 3 - 4 hours of time......until the Pacific side got paved.

Once the Cortez side is paved...........there will be plenty of trucks hitting that road.

I can smell the McDonalds already..............

Welcome back Alaska Shadow......was the food good there.... at your extended stay last week? :lol:

[Edited on 7-30-2013 by mcfez]

The some of first Baja speed runs from Tijuana to La Paz (before the NORRA Mexican 1000 of 1967) was from Tijuana east to Mexicali then south through San Felipe, Gonzaga, Calamajue Canyon. There was more paved road this way and while the original Gonzaga road had many ultra steep grades, the surface wasn't all chopped up like it became in the late 1970's.

The civilized (graded/ maintained) road ended at El Rosario and Puertecitos back in the 60's and did not start again until San Ignacio... but was still very difficult and slow until Constitucion. Mostly just single lane, unimproved nature tire width track.

Supplies for Baja Sur came mostly from ship to La Paz and trucked north from there, but not the semi truck you see on the highway today.

The central peninsula was serviced by 'fayuquero', a peddler much like Mr. Haney on Green Acres. He would have a truck in name only, running this rough road by pure Mexican genius of engineering and mechanical skill. These merchants traded goods between the ranchers and fishermen, delivered the mail, maintained the road, and a host of other activities before the end of 1973.

Mike Humfreville rode along with one such fayuquero and wrote much about that experienced which helped cement his love for Baja...

Posted 12-5-2003 by Mile Humfreville:

My first trip into the interior was in the late 1960's and dirt ruled the roadbed south from somewhere starting in Colonet or Camalu. I was hitchhiking. I never even put my thumb out. I just waited until I could comprehend what was happening around me and someone would offer me a ride. My first host was having lunch at rancho San Luis, between where Catavina is now and Santa Ines was then. Epifanio was a 'servicio particular' trucker and having breakfast at the small cafe at the ranch. We spoke and he asked me where we were going and I said north. My friend had lost interest in pursuing our goal to drive down the entire peninsula. Epifanio told me he was going as far as San Ignacio. He offered me a ride. I offered to share his gas expenses. The beginning of a symbiotic relationship. A few days after riding with Epifanio, I stumbled into some folks going south more directly than Epifanio, who was stopping at every forlorn rancho to deliver goods from Ensenada. I took Roberto up on his offer of a ride. He drove me into Guerrero Negro where I re-connected with Epifanio after breaking down in the desert. Epifanio and I continued south, got stuck in a cyclone in the central desert south of Guerrero for 3 days before we wound slowly into San Ignacio. My third and final ride was provided by a boilermaking Gringo, Jesse and his wife driving a 1950's vintage Nash Rambler. They had brought that car over hundreds of miles of high-centered dirt road and were going further south. They picked me up at the junction of the 'highway' and the road into San Ignacio. Our southernmost point was Santa Rosalia after a breakdown in the desert. In each of these quickly formed relations I looked for something that was needed in our mutual situation that might repay my debt to the driver. With Epifanio and Roberto it was financial (gas); with Jesse and his wife it was social. They had been on the road for so long they just really wanted to find some way to entertain themselves (and me). Most of us want to do more than our share in anything we undertake. A few of us just don't give a damn and will take whatever there is to be taken without consideration or conscience. It's just human habits with a few sprinkles of natures balance thrown in. But I think I would draw the line if some jerk were smacking my truck and demanding a ride. On the other hand, once I got him into the vehicle I'd really have a captive audience. The Lecture begins at the first curve.

oxxo - 8-2-2013 at 07:19 AM

As a result of this thread, we drove the Gonzaga road for the first time yesterday. It is exactly 38.5 miles of unpaved "graded" road. Some sections are 5mph, some sections are 40mph. We made the trip in almost exactly two hours, so we averaged 20mph. We saw a total of 4 cars during those two hours. We drove a Ford Escape FWD with no problems in clearance. The bridge at Gonzaga is open but not 100% complete. We saw no workmen or heavy equipment anywhere. It appears that there is no work on the unpaved section at this time.

We saved about 2 hours going from GN to Mexicali as opposed to GN to Tecate on HWY 1/3. Will we do it again while it is unpaved? Good question, it is a toss up for us - 2 hours of discomfort to save us 2 hours of total travel time. We predict this road will be very popular when and if it is ever completed. We will definitely take it when it is paved the whole way.

30 minutes to cross at Garita II in Mexicali at 3pm on a Thurs.

Los Caracoles in GN is now charging 580p for a room. Time to look for an alternative in another town.

David K - 8-2-2013 at 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by oxxo
As a result of this thread, we drove the Gonzaga road for the first time yesterday. It is exactly 38.5 miles of unpaved "graded" road. Some sections are 5mph, some sections are 40mph. We made the trip in almost exactly two hours, so we averaged 20mph. We saw a total of 4 cars during those two hours. We drove a Ford Escape FWD with no problems in clearance. The bridge at Gonzaga is open but not 100% complete. We saw no workmen or heavy equipment anywhere. It appears that there is no work on the unpaved section at this time.

We saved about 2 hours going from GN to Mexicali as opposed to GN to Tecate on HWY 1/3. Will we do it again while it is unpaved? Good question, it is a toss up for us - 2 hours of discomfort to save us 2 hours of total travel time. We predict this road will be very popular when and if it is ever completed. We will definitely take it when it is paved the whole way.

30 minutes to cross at Garita II in Mexicali at 3pm on a Thurs.

Los Caracoles in GN is now charging 580p for a room. Time to look for an alternative in another town.

Thank you for your reply in this thread!

chuckie - 8-2-2013 at 05:09 PM

Whatever your opinions are vis this new road, it is a
lovely drive..I havnt driven it since they started messing with it, but loved the hell out of it when it was a problem getting over the 3 sisters, coming out of the creek bed just before Papa Fernandez, and limping into his place, where he was waiting with those big thick glasses and cold beer...After a rain, the colors were art worthy....Our Baja? She is changing

Barry A. - 8-2-2013 at 05:46 PM

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Originally posted by chuckie
Whatever your opinions are vis this new road, it is a
lovely drive..I havnt driven it since they started messing with it, but loved the hell out of it when it was a problem getting over the 3 sisters, coming out of the creek bed just before Papa Fernandez, and limping into his place, where he was waiting with those big thick glasses and cold beer...After a rain, the colors were art worthy....Our Baja? She is changing

Yep!!!!! Sigh!!!!!!!

Barry

David K - 8-2-2013 at 06:13 PM

In the '70's (between Puertecitos and Gonzaga Bay). Pics from 1974, 1975, via dune buggy and 1979 via 4WD Subaru, that arrived at Gonzaga after 5 hours drive from Puertecitos (50 miles) and no muffler! Really didn't think I would make it up the steepest grade... took several attempts:

Who's the skinny kid with a Subaru? :lol:

willardguy - 8-2-2013 at 06:22 PM

appears to be one of them LONG HAIR HIPPIE types! :lol:

Barry A. - 8-2-2013 at 06:43 PM

I NEVER tire of seeing those shots, David. Sure brings back a lot of wonderful memories of adventures of 'good times' with good friends in the '50's and 60's and beyond.

Thank you for that----------

Barry

willardguy - 8-2-2013 at 07:15 PM

yup, love the memories, but loooooove the new road! :biggrin:

David K - 8-3-2013 at 08:19 AM

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Originally posted by willardguy
appears to be one of them LONG HAIR HIPPIE types! :lol:

... and wearing a SCORE hat!

I was actually pre-running the Baja 1000 section I was first going to drive in a couple weeks (San Matias Pass to El Crucero). :cool:

We broke down before I got the chance! :no:

mcfez - 8-11-2013 at 08:49 PM

wow ..... great pictures David. We were the fortunate ones to have driven that road there before it got paved.

I hated it.............yet I miss it! I think the worst part was the stretch of paved road that pot holes every 2 feet .

[Edited on 8-12-2013 by mcfez]

David K - 8-12-2013 at 08:08 AM

Anyone who drove south from Puertecitos before the grading of 1985/86 knows what an adventure it was. My last time on that old road was 1979. What a trip it was!

Barry A. - 8-12-2013 at 08:23 AM

My "first trip" down that road was in 1959 or 60 in a classic old 6-cyl Army Ambulance 4x4 and we did NOT make it far, pulling over and camping for a week in one of the mouths of the canyons along the "horrible grades" south of Puertecitos after we encountered a Jeep that had rolled on one of the "grades", injuring one man pretty badly.

Talk about an "adventure".

Next trip down was in about 1963 in a VW Bus, and this time we made it to Gonzaga and back, but the "bus" was never quite the same after THAT trip.

Barry

BajaRat - 8-13-2013 at 06:55 AM

Great stuff, the stuff dreams are made of. :cool:

Road conditions from San Felipe to Gonzaga Bay

cobblestone1 - 12-10-2013 at 03:35 AM

Any recent updates on the road conditions from San Felipe to Gonzaga? Has the road been paved all the way?

BajaWarrior - 12-10-2013 at 05:46 AM

Still 40 miles of untouched dirt road beween Papa's and Chapala

larryC - 12-10-2013 at 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cobblestone1
Any recent updates on the road conditions from San Felipe to Gonzaga? Has the road been paved all the way?

Yes, the road is paved all the way from San Filipe to Gonzaga.

David K - 12-10-2013 at 10:57 AM

Also, after being paved to the new bridge just north of Papa Fernandez' road for a year now, it has just been reported by TW that the next 10 kms. are now being worked on in prep for the new highway. 6-7 miles a year has been the average progress on paving south from Puertecitos... which began in 2007.

Sweetwater - 12-10-2013 at 12:56 PM

Late to this thread but I have a couple of questions about Alfonsinas...

Did I understand there's a guard shack on the north side of the airstrip and a locked gate on the south side? How do you get to the palapas on the south side for camping?

Is there a better place for a couple of moto campers to spend a night before heading south?

Anybody seen Coco lately, and how is he doing?

Tentatively planning a moto trip, Yuma to La Paz the end of February, hence the questions.

Gracias

vgabndo - 12-10-2013 at 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by chuckie
The last one would be the priority!

Interesting that you would find that driving on one of the finest divided highways on the planet to be worse than surviving all the danger and crooked law enforcement of driving TJ to Ensenada.

What makes the drive from Yuma to Tacate such a horror story on the interstate?

David K - 12-10-2013 at 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sweetwater
Late to this thread but I have a couple of questions about Alfonsinas...

Did I understand there's a guard shack on the north side of the airstrip and a locked gate on the south side? How do you get to the palapas on the south side for camping?

Is there a better place for a couple of moto campers to spend a night before heading south?

Anybody seen Coco lately, and how is he doing?

Tentatively planning a moto trip, Yuma to La Paz the end of February, hence the questions.

Gracias

With the coming of pavement, also comes "All Kinds of People" (Mama Espinoza was quoted in 1973)... so guards and gates are what you get! If you are a paying customer, then no worries... HOWEVER, with no report of gates or guards, because it is out of sight of the new road:

My suggestion would be Campo Beluga... no locked gates, palapas and flush toilets, showers... Just 1.2 mile south of the Pemex/Rancho Grande. Photos posted many times... http://vivabaja.com/207/page3.html

TW and others posted about Coco and included photos... see trip reports forum. Here's TW's report and Coco pics: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=70830

[Edited on 12-10-2013 by David K]

Sweetwater - 12-10-2013 at 09:06 PM

David, thanks for the links, I haven't read the forum in depth to be familiar with them. When you answer a question with good info, you're a great resource. Sometimes you get a bit overbearing and look to dominate or one-up others and I think that causes some conflict. You were right on target this time.

Thanks again, amigo.

CortezBlue - 12-10-2013 at 09:14 PM

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Originally posted by Sweetwater
David, thanks for the links, I haven't read the forum in depth to be familiar with them. When you answer a question with good info, you're a great resource. Sometimes you get a bit overbearing and look to dominate or one-up others and I think that causes some conflict. You were right on target this time.

Thanks again, amigo.

POW a left handed compliment, yet right on!

Sweetwater - 12-10-2013 at 09:30 PM

I mean no harm or damage and that's as subtle as I can get......I like to see situations improve.

eso ci que es

[Edited on 12-11-2013 by Sweetwater]

David K - 12-11-2013 at 11:49 AM

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De nada amigo.

I apologize to those who get ruffled by my replies here... I mean only to provide accurate and detailed information. I do not think I am anything more than someone who loves Baja and has the ability to share my nearly 50 years of collections (photos, maps, books) and my memories of Baja travel. There is far more Baja I do not know about than I do know about.

There is plenty of Baja for all of us: there's 3,000 miles of coastline, thousands of square miles inland, and 365 days in a year. That makes it the coolest timeshare in the world!

Heck, some of us enjoy being with other Nomads as well.

[Edited on 12-11-2013 by David K]