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Tijuana, Mexico -- Tia Juana, California (undated)

Ken Cooke - 8-11-2013 at 07:37 AM

When was there ever a "Tia-Juana, California"??

Tia Juana, California

bajaguy - 8-11-2013 at 08:04 AM

http://www.digthatcrazyfarout.com/oldtj/TJ_history.htm

The City

"Tia Juana, the last town in Southern California .

The boundary line passes through it and cuts it in two, the American half consisting of a single street of frame buildings and a few scattered houses.

The American part has a live air but the Mexican part is the deadest place imaginable."

(Note: Probably the California town would have looked just as dead except that, due to the floods in 1891, the old town was washed out and the remaining buildings were moved to higher ground near the border.)

(from Let's Ride the Dam Train!, A sketch from the pen of Hiram H. Bice, Editor of the National City Record, edition of May 5, 1892). This probably was the beginning of Tijuana, "from ranch to metropolis" (Rosas, 1998, "The City")

David K - 8-11-2013 at 08:47 AM

Cool Ken, enjoying the old photo! Thank you.

willardguy - 8-11-2013 at 09:48 AM

here's a little (useless) trivia for ya.
rosarito was chosen in 1788 as the boundary between upper and lower california. however when the peace treaty was signed after the mexican war the boundary was moved up to tijuana. the 1788 line ran from rosarito across to the mouth of the colorado river.
almost a tijuana california!

David K - 8-11-2013 at 10:13 AM

Not useless.. but very interesting on the history of the division. The first real separation of Alta California from California (remember 'Baja' was California first) came when the Franciscan convinced the Spanish government to allow the Dominicans a roll in mission development/ management and gave the California (Baja/ peninsula) missions already founded south of San Diego, to the Dominicans.

That 'marker' between the peninsula and Alta California was a boulder 13 miles north of Mission San Miguel (today's town of La Mision). The Dominicans arrived in California in 1772 and assumed control in 1773, so the Franciscans were free to develop Alta California. The Dominicans were also charged with establishing 9 more missions between the Franciscan founded missions of San Fernando de Velicata and San Diego de Alcala. Political separation of the two parts of California did not occur until 1804, however.

The above is from memory, I can dig out some quotes and photos later... :light:

willardguy - 8-11-2013 at 12:06 PM

hey david where is this boulder marker? I just drove over and looked at the ruins in la mision, I would advise nomads, don't bother!:lol:

mcfez - 8-12-2013 at 01:14 PM

Ken.................is this a postcard? If it is...please U2 me

Ken Cooke - 8-13-2013 at 08:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mcfez
Ken.................is this a postcard? If it is...please U2 me


I am not sure. I reposted it from a page on Facebook.

Or "Ti juana" perhaps?

John M - 8-19-2013 at 05:11 PM

Here is a sketch showing an interpretation the 1788 border location. The PM 1934 in the lower left hand corner shows the authorship to be Peveril Meigs, this from an unpublished 1934 manuscript. A year later Meigs did publish The Dominican Mission Frontier of Lower California.



John

1931 Meigs Map

David K - 8-19-2013 at 06:01 PM



Here is a close up showing the two mission boundary lines:



In 1773, Francisco Palóu made the first boundary to separate his Franciscan zone of Alta California from the Dominican zone of Baja California. The Médano Range was the original 'natural' division point. Palóu made a large cross from a sycamore tree and placed it on a high rock close to the road (El Camino Real) to serve as a marker. This would be about where Cantamar is today, just south of Puerto Nuevo.

This boundary was short-lived and was moved north 15 years later. Father Sales was responsible for the move to 'Arroyo del Rosarito' shortly after founding the mission of San Miguel, in 1788.

This boundary of 1773 and then 1788 was only a separation between the Franciscan and Dominican serviced areas. There was no government political division of California until 1804.

David K - 8-19-2013 at 06:32 PM

The exact date in 1773 was August 19th...

OK, now back to Ken's original question about Tia Juana...

Here it is on an 1888 map:



David K - 8-19-2013 at 06:51 PM

Here's a photo from around 1926 showing the boulder that Palóu likely put his boundary cross in... and the mission ruins of San Miguel (in today's town of La Mision)...


From Engelhardt's 1929 book: The Missions and Missionaries of California

[Edited on 8-20-2013 by David K]

The name Tia Juana (aunt Jane)

durrelllrobert - 8-20-2013 at 10:46 AM

www.digthatcrazyfarout.com/oldtj/TJ_history.htm‎


There are different views on the origin of the name for the town. One belief is that it came from an ancient Indian word, "Tiguan", meaning "close to the water." Another view holds that the name came from a ranch, Tia Juana’s (Aunt Jane’s) Ranch, owned by the Allegro Family. The Allegro Family partitioned the ranch into various family decided to divide the ranch into sections of a city grid in the Tia Juana Valley.

The City
"Tia Juana, the last town in Southern California . The boundary line passes through it and cuts it in two, the American half consisting of a single street of frame buildings and a few scattered houses. The American part has a live air but the Mexican part is the deadest place imaginable." (Note: Probably the California town would have looked just as dead except that, due to the floods in 1891, the old town was washed out and the remaining buildings were moved to higher ground near the border.) (from Let's Ride the Dam Train!, A sketch from the pen of Hiram H. Bice, Editor of the National City Record, edition of May 5, 1892). This probably was the beginning of Tijuana, "from ranch to metropolis" (Rosas, 1998, "The City")

Deja Vu all over again

bajaguy - 8-20-2013 at 05:26 PM

That's what I said up there ^^^^
Quote:
Originally posted by durrelllrobert
www.digthatcrazyfarout.com/oldtj/TJ_history.htm‎


There are different views on the origin of the name for the town. One belief is that it came from an ancient Indian word, "Tiguan", meaning "close to the water." Another view holds that the name came from a ranch, Tia Juana’s (Aunt Jane’s) Ranch, owned by the Allegro Family. The Allegro Family partitioned the ranch into various family decided to divide the ranch into sections of a city grid in the Tia Juana Valley.

The City
"Tia Juana, the last town in Southern California . The boundary line passes through it and cuts it in two, the American half consisting of a single street of frame buildings and a few scattered houses. The American part has a live air but the Mexican part is the deadest place imaginable." (Note: Probably the California town would have looked just as dead except that, due to the floods in 1891, the old town was washed out and the remaining buildings were moved to higher ground near the border.) (from Let's Ride the Dam Train!, A sketch from the pen of Hiram H. Bice, Editor of the National City Record, edition of May 5, 1892). This probably was the beginning of Tijuana, "from ranch to metropolis" (Rosas, 1998, "The City")