BajaNomad - Mexican Senate backs education reform bill

Mexican Senate backs education reform bill

Mulegena - 9-5-2013 at 04:41 PM

Here's the link c&p below:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-23955920

Mexico's Senate has passed a bill which will make it mandatory for teachers to undergo performance evaluations.

It is part of a package of wide-ranging education reforms backed by President Enrique Pena Nieto.

The reforms have been opposed by a teachers' union, the National Education Workers' Co-ordinator (CNTE). which says they will lead to mass lay-offs.

Thousands of its members protested outside the Senate in an attempt to disrupt the passing of the bill.

The legislation, which had already been approved by the Chamber of Deputies, will require teachers to take tests before they can get jobs or be promoted.

Its passing is a victory for Mr Pena Nieto, who made the reform of Mexico's poor education system one of his main priorities.

He signed the education law in February, but parliamentarians needed to draw up separate legislation to implement it.

His government has argued that the unions' overwhelming control over teaching jobs has contributed to corruption, which has seen poorly trained teachers promoted over more qualified colleagues.

Education Secretary Emilio Chauyffet said "the inheritance and sale of jobs" had now ended, referring to the wide-spread practice of parents passing their teaching posts to their children or selling them to the highest bidder.

CNTE members have been protesting for more than a week, paralysing parts of the capital, Mexico City, and even forcing the president to deliver his state-of-the-union speech a day later than normal from his residence rather than a central venue.

Hundreds of thousands of schoolchildren have also had no lessons as teachers went on strike in Nayarit and Quintana Roo, among other states.

The CNTE has threatened further protests and strikes in the coming days.

DENNIS - 9-5-2013 at 05:00 PM

I wonder if they'll redesign the message of their text books that blame the US for all their woes.
When Ernesto Zedillo was Minister of Education prior to his tenure as president, he tried to introduce a line of text books for the schools that offered a softer line toward the relationship between north and south, and he was met with derisive denial for his efforts.
The prevailing school of thought was that they needed to maintain the blame of the US for all their problems so the people wouldn't blame those equally, or more responsible, their own government.
The big scapegoat....you and me.
If you ever wonder why they don't truly like us [regardless of what your toilet cleaner says].......ask their government.

aguachico - 9-5-2013 at 05:40 PM

I have been dealing with the Mexican teacher's union for three years. It is the worst cartel in Mexico. They are producing more ratas and putas everyday. It is no wonder hordes of illegal school children over crowd san diego school systems.

A mexican whispered in my ear as I was complaining about how los sobrinos were not able to find a school with available seats.. she said "you can't save them all"

JoeJustJoe - 9-5-2013 at 06:50 PM

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Originally posted by aguachico
I have been dealing with the Mexican teacher's union for three years. It is the worst cartel in Mexico. They are producing more ratas and putas everyday. It is no wonder hordes of illegal school children over crowd san diego school systems.

A mexican whispered in my ear as I was complaining about how los sobrinos were not able to find a school with available seats.. she said "you can't save them all"

It looks like someone needs their mouth washed out with soap and water.

So Mexico is producing more ratas and putas everyday?

Just a quick glance at a few of your posts Aguachico tells me the kind of American we are dealing with when in Mexico:
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Just two of other Aquachico's posts:

These ratas y halcones litter the border. I don't understand what some people expect a LEO under attack to do. run? Catch a rock to the head? What is it, you move to Mexico and now the CBP are the bad guys. Maybe the CBP agent didn't want to end up on this link...

Why use Spanish? Put the challenge on the rata to speak english or french. I have gotten out of radar gun speeding tickets by not even attempting to speak Spanish because my Spanish sucks.

I got you, when in Mexico make the Mexicans speak English to you, because I guess the world revolves around America and English.

DENNIS - 9-5-2013 at 07:02 PM

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That's what you get with government mandated and sponsored education. The gov. schools are no more than babysitters.

I recently had a discussion with a young man...maybe twenty.... who had a public education, and had never heard the name, "Joseph Stalin." He had no idea.

Maybe just as well.

aguachico - 9-5-2013 at 09:34 PM

JJJ;

Unfortunately no one speaks English around me. Living in TJ is great as I spend 3-4 relaxing days a week in where my location indicates. You live in Occupied Aztlan...

You are aware that preppa operates in two shifts. Morning and evening. Have you went to a teachers conference? I have. Even in my limited Spanish I could understand that the parents were upset that the teachers show when they want. The course curriculum is fragmented and impossible to follow.

The only way to produce productive children is to send them north into occupied san diego... yayaya.... or send them to private school in Mex.
I sent one of mine there for a year(when public was full) and it was great, I just can't afford it.

That said, I welcome any reform that will lessen the need for Mexico to stop producing slaves for the USA. I am speaking about all Mexicans. Not just the one's that classify themselves as 'white' Mexicans.

JoeJustJoe - 9-5-2013 at 11:57 PM

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Originally posted by aguachico
JJJ;

Unfortunately no one speaks English around me. Living in TJ is great as I spend 3-4 relaxing days a week in where my location indicates. You live in Occupied Aztlan...

You are aware that preppa operates in two shifts. Morning and evening. Have you went to a teachers conference? I have. Even in my limited Spanish I could understand that the parents were upset that the teachers show when they want. The course curriculum is fragmented and impossible to follow.

The only way to produce productive children is to send them north into occupied san diego... yayaya.... or send them to private school in Mex.
I sent one of mine there for a year(when public was full) and it was great, I just can't afford it.

That said, I welcome any reform that will lessen the need for Mexico to stop producing slaves for the USA. I am speaking about all Mexicans. Not just the one's that classify themselves as 'white' Mexicans.

Aguachico I'm good with racial and ethic stereotypes too, and Americans that talk like you about Mexicans are also usually loud, obnoxious, and bigoted.

Let me know how close I get sir, as I only pulled out five of your old posts and they were ranting about ratas , putas, and halcones. I certainly hope your other posts are more respectful towards the people of Mexico and you're not just negatively stereotyping all Mexican as being slaves just because they come to the US to work as your latest post indicated.

If I recall there are a lot of criticisms against the educational system in the USA too, and they put most of the blame on teachers. Misplaced blame if you ask me, although teachers should accept some of the blame, as well as the administrators, parents and even the students themselves. You can't force a kid to learn if he or she doesn't want too, and peer pressure is really a killer starting around Jr High.

In the US they already tried what the Mexico wants to do by giving tests to teachers like the CBEST, MSAT, CSET and other tests before teachers are allowed in the classroom, and now teachers in the US are better qualified, but the students scores are still down.

In the US they also want have teachers go through different types of performance evaluations, and held liable for all their students poor grades, even to the point of being able to fire teachers. It's great that teachers have unions to watch their backs for them.

President Enrique Pena Nieto certainly has the right to expect more from Mexican Teachers, and push for more educational reforms, but the Teachers unions also has a right to protect Mexican teachers from being thrown under the bus and scapegoated for some children that do poor in school, when it's really not the teachers fault. For example, the child has a poor home environment or some undiagnosed reading disorder like dyslexia.

Union protection?

DaliDali - 9-6-2013 at 12:38 AM

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Originally posted by JoeJustJoe

President Enrique Pena Nieto certainly has the right to expect more from Mexican Teachers, and push for more educational reforms, but the Teachers unions also has a right to protect Mexican teachers from being thrown under the bus and scapegoated for some children that do poor in school, when it's really not the teachers fault. For example, the child has a poor home environment or some undiagnosed reading disorder like dyslexia.

You are ok with a MX teacher failing a teachers test 3 times?
If I was the parent of a child and his/her teacher failed a basic teaching test 3 times, I would be pounding on someones door. And it would not be the union bosses door.

By "protecting" these teachers, your saying your also satisfied with mediocrity.....or just plain stupid ones....
Good grief.....the parents of school kids should be the ones rising up in revolt and demanding teachers be at least able to pass a test..and they get 3 chances.

It's just a test......and they have 3 times to pass it.
That test should have been administered before the fledgling teacher ever sets foot in a classroom. Don't pass......don't teach.

Unions have zero right to deny kids and their parents a competent teacher out of some perceived notion of them being thrown under a bus....
No one is getting tossed under a bus....it's all about protecting the unqualified, so membership does not decline.

If your so concerned about some under achieving kids due to a bad home situation or a medical problem.....include in the teachers skill set what the basic signals and symptoms of the difficulty are, so other accommodations can be made.

Does anyone take responsibility anymore.
I keep hearing about this thing "the buck stops here" yet every time that buck lands on his or her desk......it's someone else's fault.

aguachico - 9-6-2013 at 04:40 PM

JJJ;

Interesting you searching my other posts and pulling out parts of the text. I'm not going to attack you personally, though your re-directive and misquoting leans a bit towards CNN. You could benefit from a critical thinking course where you will learn to use complete quotes as not to skew the facts.

Why you would not want to best for Mexican children in public schools is a mystery? Your need to change subject and focus on public schools in the USA is, "let me know how close I get sir" so La Raza.

That said, <== gets used too often eh? Feel free to visit me in Tijuana as not to drag this debate out any further. You can explain to me why what I see happening around me is not real, it's a figment of my bigoted obnoxious loud gabacho ways. Maybe you can explain why the druggie that burst into my house with a knife wanting money was not a rata, just a misunderstood product of the Imperialistas from the north.

Seriuosly, Mariano Matamoros just a clicks from Pipila, in case you get lost, El Tigre is La Plaza.