BajaNomad - Carlos Slim's continuing troubles in Mexico

Carlos Slim's continuing troubles in Mexico

CortezBlue - 9-7-2013 at 06:33 AM

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-08-31/mexico-exchange-sai...

I posted this for all of the folks that drive past Carlos' mine on the way to and from San Felipe

It appears to be growing at a feverish pitch, there must be gold in them thar hills!

[Edited on 9-7-2013 by CortezBlue]

monoloco - 9-7-2013 at 08:48 AM

We should all have Carlos Slim's troubles.

When you're Abundantly Wealthy ...........

MrBillM - 9-7-2013 at 01:39 PM

Trouble is a relative term.

David K - 9-7-2013 at 01:50 PM

Wealthy people create jobs for the rest of us! I wish there were more of them and then more of us would be employed and wealthier. I have never been hired by a poor person, never. :light:

chuckie - 9-7-2013 at 04:27 PM

+10...right on....

Bajahowodd - 9-7-2013 at 04:57 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Wealthy people create jobs for the rest of us! I wish there were more of them and then more of us would be employed and wealthier. I have never been hired by a poor person, never. :light:

Geez. Reagan's trickle down economics has been greatly disproven.

Those wealthy people create jobs where it is most profitable for themselves. Hence, all the offshoring of jobs in the last thirty years.

bajaguy - 9-7-2013 at 05:22 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Those wealthy people create jobs where it is most profitable for themselves. Hence, all the offshoring of jobs in the last thirty years.

Like Teresa Heinz Kerry????....wonder how she (and John) would like their wealth redistributed????

[Edited on 9-8-2013 by bajaguy]

The poor principle

DaliDali - 9-7-2013 at 06:09 PM

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Yet David K's comment remains true...you can attempt to slice it and dice it up anyway you want but it remains and will remain......the poor do not hire people.

It never ceases to amaze me that some pundits can twist and turn the story to their liking, just to make another excuse and say "it was somebody else's fault"

Bajaboy - 9-7-2013 at 06:23 PM

Well, the rich have gotten richer....so with DK's reasoning they should be hiring more people, right :light:

chuckie - 9-7-2013 at 06:34 PM

And they are....

Bajaboy - 9-7-2013 at 06:35 PM

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And they are....

yes, an abundance of middle class jobs, with health care, and retirement are easy to come by.....NOT!

Life and Liberty

DaliDali - 9-7-2013 at 07:04 PM

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And they are....

yes, an abundance of middle class jobs, with health care, and retirement are easy to come by.....NOT!

So here you are....again.....blaming someone else for your lot in life.

Rather than lay the blame on wealthy folks...maybe you should dial up Obama and ask him if another direction in taxation and regulations would free up Mr Wealthy to hire you.

Last time I looked, Mr Wealthy is not responsible for your well being in life.
Business is not in the business of promoting and funding social welfare, no matter how much you seem to want them to.

chuckie - 9-7-2013 at 07:05 PM

Bull crap.........Get off your Burro ...

Bajaboy - 9-7-2013 at 08:08 PM

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And they are....

yes, an abundance of middle class jobs, with health care, and retirement are easy to come by.....NOT!

Sounds like I really riled up the old folks home :lol:

The suggestion was that the rich create the jobs....so where are all the good jobs? The rich are getting richer so a reasonable assumption would be that there would be more jobs...

not exactly sure why you are reading into my comment any more than that.....

bledito - 9-7-2013 at 08:12 PM

mr wealthy is great if you live in any country other than the U. S. he creates jobs overseas and keeps the money overseas to avoid taxation on the products he sell back in the U. S. while the middle class pays the taxes. and the lower class barely scrapes by 7.25 an hour try living on that after fed and state taxes. reason why lincoln freed the slaves so they can pay taxes like whites.

A better solution

DaliDali - 9-7-2013 at 10:30 PM

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And they are....

yes, an abundance of middle class jobs, with health care, and retirement are easy to come by.....NOT!

so where are all the good jobs?

One thing is for certain.....the current far left liberal administration hasn't a clue do they? After 4+ years, they are still floundering around, firing and hiring economists, treasury secretaries and various "experts" on employment..grasping for a clue as to what to do.
Then they get desperate and bring in actual business owners who tell them what is needed to get the engine going again.......and the beat goes on.....dismal job reports, dismal growth.

And after it's all said and done....poor people don't hire other people.
Then you jumped in and started the blame game, ie: "it's not my fault"

FYI...there are thousands of good paying jobs on the cusp right now. Just wait for them.... requirements are.....must be willing to get dirty....sweat a lot and freeze your tail off in the winter. Are you up for that?
And if your real sharp and paid your dues getting all sweaty and such..you too could be in the heated construction trailer watching all the others get sweaty and dirty.
Call the president and ask him when you can sign up. Wait for it.....

David K - 9-7-2013 at 11:22 PM

Why some people put their faith in BIG GOVERNMENT instead of the FREE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM is beyond me!?? Business (enterprise) creates wealth... and government steals it... to create programs for popularity and get re-elected... for their personal, selfish desires... all under the guise that they are doing it for the common man. Enterprise (business) rewards those who work, invest, and take risks to create more business. Government is the opposite: It punishes those who have success or invests in America. Now, back to your original program... :lol:

chuckie - 9-8-2013 at 12:21 AM

When this thread got started I knew it would turn into an I hate business, the world owes me a job whine..and it did...

David K - 9-8-2013 at 01:51 AM

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Originally posted by chuckie
When this thread got started I knew it would turn into an I hate business, the world owes me a job whine..and it did...

It makes you wonder where some people think money comes from!?? Government can print all they want to, but without business creating real wealth, the money printed is worthless. :light:

The sad thing is that some of these great folks are educators, and what will happen if nobody teaches the truth to kids about economics, business, the purpose of government, that we are a republic and not a democracy... things like that!

Not yet...don't do it

DaliDali - 9-8-2013 at 02:53 AM

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Originally posted by bledito
mr wealthy is great if you live in any country other than the U. S. he creates jobs overseas and keeps the money overseas to avoid taxation on the products he sell back in the U. S. while the middle class pays the taxes. and the lower class barely scrapes by 7.25 an hour try living on that after fed and state taxes. reason why lincoln freed the slaves so they can pay taxes like whites.

You might consider holding on to that day job before you become a political commentator.

chuckie - 9-8-2013 at 06:03 AM

And maybe get a researcher...

ncampion - 9-8-2013 at 08:46 AM

We recently saw a great example of the free market at work in Loreto. For years we had the same old "stinky" markets offering the same old wilted vegetables, crappy meat and other products. Then one day the Ley Express comes to town and now all the markets are scrambling to compete. Shelves stocked, better produce and meat, new refrigeration and clean floors. They didn't feel the need to do any of this when everyone was the same. I hope they can make it as I lik the "mom and pop" markets, but it bothers me that they didn't make any effort to improve their service until somebody raised the bar. That's the way socialism works.

MitchMan - 9-8-2013 at 09:30 AM

What you are all talking about is macroeconomics. Do any of you actually know what you are talking about?

It amazes me how everyone is so assertive with their opinions on macroeconomic matters while at the same time it is so abundantly obvious most all of you do not know even the fundamental basics of either micro or macro economics.

When you say ”business creates jobs” or “the wealthy create jobs for the rest of us”, you are making a purely macroeconomic conclusion.

To make matters worse, many of you take your ignorance and your resultant erred opinions and conclusions to new heights of folly by blaming all those that disagree with you as guilty of “blaming the wealthy”. And, there are those that do view the wealthy as a suspect class, erroneously implying that the rich and wealthy act and behave as a single monolithic demon.

Then, there are those of you who erroneously try to pit all this into indictments of either “big business” or “big government”. Lastly, there are those of you who blindly adopt “FREE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM” as some kind of ever perfectly working ultimate religion. Have any of you even actually read what Adam Smith actually wrote? How naïve!

First of all, business, small or large, doesn’t “create” jobs, only an “economy and a society” can create jobs. For example, in our country, in order for jobs to exist in an organized society, there has to be, for the greater big picture, coexistence of the following FACTORS:
1. Customers (a demand customer market)
2. Qualified labor availability (a labor market)
3. An infrastructure
4. System of laws and governance
5. Production resources and business management (i.e., a business)

Business is Number 5 on the list because all the other factors have to be present before it makes sense for a business to engage in business activity and fill that vacuum created by numbers 1 thru 4. Business is a participant in the economy, not the creator. Business is not more important than the other 4 items, it is an equal “partner-component” to/of an economic system.

To have a religious reverence for “business” as the seminal causal factor for the existence of commerce and “jobs” is to ignore and take for granted the all-important “commodity” of a market (customers…people if you will – you know that businesses pay for promotion and advertising just to get more “customers”) and labor (the people, if you will).

Who among you would invest in a business that would have no customers or for which there was no labor market to draw from? Anybody?

Just so that you will get it, without a demand for a product, that is, without any customers for a product, no entrepreneur will build a business around a product that will not sell. If there are no employees available, the business couldn’t grow beyond the size of its owner.

No customers, no business. No employees, no business beyond the size of its number of owners. No infrastructure, no way for customers or employees to get to the business, no safety, no efficiency, no lights, no gas, no water potable or otherwise, no sewage or drainage, no communications, no delivery of production resources or products sold, no education of employees, no disease control, no roads, traffic lights, etc., etc., etc.

If there is no system of laws or existence of governance, no law enforcement or police protection, no judicial system, no contract enforcement, no civil defense, no military defense, no consumer protection, no effective interstate or intrastate commerce system, no international treaties, etc., etc., etc.

For example, which of you would start a Starbucks in the middle of desert where there are no customers or employees or means of transport?

I mean, if business creates jobs all by itself, in a vacuum, go create jobs in the middle of the ocean, or in outer space, or in the middle of a desert and try to maintain profits without ever having the availability of customers, labor, infrastructure or law enforcement.

What we have is an economy, an economic system, such as it is. I believe that most societies get the government that they deserve. I also believe that we get the economy that we collectively deserve as well. Most of the rich and wealthy are good people participating in the economy as it is structured. There are bad players among them, but they are a small minority within the group of the rich and wealthy. But, for the most part, they are participating in the economic system that we as a society have “allowed” to evolve to its current structure.

To demonize the poor and venerate the successful reflects a lack of objectivity and seems to be the “religion” of many these days. Religion…faith based, not fact based. If you are going to submit your opinions on economics, get your “facts” straight and at least educate yourself on the basics of economics.

Know that NO market-based economy is perfect and probably never will be. Certainly not our own. Know what the failures are and why…be objective and informed. I prefer a market based capitalist system to others at this point, but understand that any economy, even a market based one, will always be a work in progress. The same goes for government…any all governments are and should be a work in progress.

BTW, for those of you who think poor people do not hire anyone, you would be very, very wrong. Small business has more employees than big business. Many, many small businesses that have employees are barely making it. There are many small and large businesses where certain of the employees actually make more than the owners…not as rare as you think.

chuckie - 9-8-2013 at 09:55 AM

Thanks for the enlightenment......Right on the subject of the post..which was?

David K - 9-8-2013 at 10:03 AM

I had not heard before this thread that Carlos Slim owned the La Fortuna gold mine.... so as with other stuff here, one learns something new every day! :biggrin:

chuckie - 9-8-2013 at 10:31 AM

If true....

CortezBlue - 9-8-2013 at 10:42 AM

Wow, how posting a small article about the gold mine near San Felipe can cause such an extreme group of positions. It was more to show that Carlos does have some interest in the San Felipe area. Also, I think it is interesting to see a stock have a glitch and get such a punch and then have it reversed.

If you follow the Mexico financial environment Carlos has had many run ins with the Mexican government around his many holdings as of late.

mtgoat666 - 9-8-2013 at 10:56 AM

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Originally posted by David K
Why some people put their faith in BIG GOVERNMENT instead of the FREE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM is beyond me!?? Business (enterprise) creates wealth... and government steals it... to create programs for popularity and get re-elected... for their personal, selfish desires... all under the guise that they are doing it for the common man. Enterprise (business) rewards those who work, invest, and take risks to create more business. Government is the opposite: It punishes those who have success or invests in America. Now, back to your original program... :lol:

business in USA does not thrive without a big stable government creating infrastructure and stability, and facilitating the economic system.

free market without regulation is a failure. regulation is necessary to curb the excesses of capitalism.

the USA has thrived because of government providing systems and stability and regulation.

govt can be very beneficial.

David K - 9-8-2013 at 11:01 AM

Agree that the purpose of any government is to protect the people from force or fraud... anything beyond that is exceeding the mandate of the constitution and an infringement on our freedom.

MitchMan - 9-8-2013 at 11:15 AM

David K, our Constitution provides for much, much more than that. Even if the Constitution was limited to just protecting people from only force and fraud, that could be (and has been) interpreted broadly or narrowly with tons of room in between.

Spot on, goat.

[Edited on 9-8-2013 by MitchMan]

mtgoat666 - 9-8-2013 at 11:20 AM

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Agree that the purpose of any government is to protect the people from force or fraud... anything beyond that is exceeding the mandate of the constitution and an infringement on our freedom.

bs!

i happen to like the roads i drive every day, they seem to be quite convenient, eh?. i happen to like PBS. i like the FDA. i like the EPA. i like national parks and public lands. i don't mind paying taxes, as govt provides a lot of useful things.

DENNIS - 9-8-2013 at 11:29 AM

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i don't mind paying taxes, as govt provides a lot of useful things.

And, as a special treat just for you.....they may be providing us with another war any day now.
Be sure to act surprised.

bajaguy - 9-8-2013 at 11:59 AM

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govt can be very beneficial.

Yup, just look at what they did to/with Social Security (our money), the education system in the US and how they treat our veterans..........yup, very beneficial

mtgoat666 - 9-8-2013 at 12:09 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

govt can be very beneficial.

Yup, just look at what they did to/with Social Security (our money), the education system in the US and how they treat our veterans..........yup, very beneficial

does more beneficial than bad. you see one thing you dont like, so you condemn everything? silly little man!

btw, SS seems to still be OK, just needs a minor adjustment, education seems to still be doing OK, and I agree with you that veterans get plenty of benefits, but i do wish they would quit whining for more

DENNIS - 9-8-2013 at 12:17 PM

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[ and I agree with you that veterans get plenty of benefits, but i do wish they would quit whining for more

Something for you to celebrate, Goat:

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1. Obama Slashes Pay Raises for Military

President Obama has told Congress he will cap next year's pay raise for U.S. military personnel at 1 percent instead of boosting pay by 1.8 percent as called for by a federal law.

The president's move will negatively impact American combat troops scheduled to remain in Afghanistan through 2014.

The federal law says military pay raises must be based on the Employment Cost Index compiled by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, which ties military raises to private sector pay growth. Under that formula, military personnel should be getting a 1.8 percent pay raise beginning in January 2014, CNS News reported.

But the law also states that the president can inform Congress of an alternative pay adjustment "if because of national emergency or serious economic conditions affecting the general welfare, the president considers the pay adjustment which would otherwise be required by this section in any year to be inappropriate."

Obama wrote to congressional leaders: "I am strongly committed to supporting our uniformed service members, who have made such great contributions to our nation over the past decade of war. As our country continues to recover from serious economic conditions affecting the general welfare, however, we must maintain efforts to keep our nation on a sustainable fiscal course."

He also asserted that his decision "will not materially affect the federal government's ability to attract and retain well-qualified members" of the military.

The House passed a bill in July authorizing the 1.8 percent raise, but the Senate has set the raise at 1 percent as recommended by Obama.

Military pay rose 1.7 percent this year and 1.6 percent in 2012.

Retired Air Force Col. Mike Hayden, director of government relations for the Military Officers Association of America (MOAA), calculated that the reduced pay raise could cost an officer with 10 years of service about $52 a month next year, or $8,000 over the remaining years of his or her career. It would also cost a service member $20,000 in retirement pay.

Hayden wrote on the MOAA website: "Over the past 12 years, Congress worked hard to fix the 13.5 percent pay gap (and resulting retention problems) caused by repeatedly capping military raises below private-sector pay growth in the 1980s and 1990s.

"History has shown that once Congress starts accepting proposals to cap military pay below private-sector growth, pay caps continue until they have weakened retention and readiness."

http://news.newsmax.com/?Z6IvYYf7OWAn0hT4IaTn6taZRXbkbLRAZ

bajaguy - 9-8-2013 at 12:17 PM

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btw, SS seems to still be OK, just needs a minor adjustment, education seems to still be doing OK, and I agree with you that veterans get plenty of benefits, but i do wish they would quit whining for more

The government raided the SS system, the education system in the states is below average and the veterans are not getting the care/service they need......I wish the veterans would whine for more, but you wouldn't know. You didn't serve, did you???.........you, goat are the little man

chuckie - 9-8-2013 at 12:51 PM

Its all Carlos Slims fault..come on admit it.....And lots of socialistic gimme guys, and quotes from Economics 101....and Veteran bashing is always good reading....Pretty disgusting stuff....

David K - 9-8-2013 at 01:45 PM

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Things that are now better produced and provided for by private business... at a fraction of the cost, without lining the pockets of politicians and union bosses. Last I heard, the government is using the sequestration excuse for closing public places to the people. If PBS ran a few (more) commercials and had shows the people wanted to watch they wouldn't need tax dollars... and we wouldn't have to see a repeated begging for donations in the middle of the few good shows they have! :light:

chuckie - 9-8-2013 at 02:47 PM

Goat mentality :"The government provides" The "Government" produces nothing, makes nothing..What they "provide" is paid for by those of us who pay taxes...

DaliDali - 9-8-2013 at 03:05 PM

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What you are all talking about is macroeconomics. Do any of you actually know what you are talking about?

Macro smackro....

As one vaunted politico put it....."what difference does it make"

Jobs, employees, big and small business....rich and poor and just plain ole working stiffs....are in the business of surviving as best we can.
Some do it better than others.

What is crystal clear, is the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania DC is clueless.
Appoint this economic adviser, fire that one, hire an "expert" fire an expert.
Tax these people....don't tax these....regulate this industry more....this one less.

Now that some of us are just stupid, uninformed, wrong and just plain ole dumb..even idiots pray tell.......what remains is the same. Weak job growth and weak economic growth continues unabated. Not enough to keep up certainly.

I am an admitted dumb old panga fisherman from Baja Sur, yet it seems only right to question just what is our leadership in the good old USA doing.
Seems reasonable enough I suppose to ask that.

I hear about this tax and that regulation and how good it will feel and how wonderful we will all be because of it......and I am still listening 4+ years later.

The ultra bottom line and is as obvious as limon juice on an almeja, what is being done just is NOT working.

One can "macro" this to death and until the cows go home.

IT JUST ISN'T WORKING!!!

pauldavidmena - 9-8-2013 at 03:25 PM

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Thanks for the enlightenment......Right on the subject of the post..which was?

Something to do with the growing waistline of Carlos Slim?

MitchMan - 9-8-2013 at 05:50 PM

Business can provide certain things cheaper than government, but not all things. Also, business is absolutely incapable and even unwilling to provide many other things that you and me and our society requires. The point is that there is a role for business and a role for government.

If you do not believe there is an appropriate role for government, then you are for absolute anarchy. Even the disgraced Alan Greenspan said that he was wrong about the ability of big business to self-regulate. Anyone think that anarchy is the solution?

Government and the economy are ever-imperfect works in progress…and that will always be the case…it has always been the case. Anybody disagree with that? If you do disagree, please cite relevant and realistic comparable examples of the past and present that you know about.

The principal founders of this country said that a successful society and representative government depends on the people being informed voters, inspired by the true interest of the people. They said that elected officials have a responsibility… and so do we the voters. And that duty is to be good citizens, informed citizens that vote accordingly.

To sit and moan, complain about what doesn’t work and then point the finger of blame while openly admitting and accepting your own ignorance on the subject and effectively side stepping your responsibility to self-educate, even on the basics, is no constructive contribution to a solution for you, others, or this country.

When one states an opinion on economics and then criticize those in office with certainty that they are clueless while admitting your own ignorance …well, do you see the circle of stupid that is created? Sorry, there is no free pass for admittedly being and accepting one’s own ignorance while expecting one’s opinion to be taken seriously.

The government provides and produces a great deal. Keep in mind that “all things produced, provided, or made” are not limited to only tangible things produced by business. Even the objective measurement of GDP includes many things “intangible”.

Social Security is raided by government, it is mandated by law, BTW. Started big time with Reagan right about the time he increased the Social Security withholding rate paid by all workers while passing a great big income tax cut, especially at the top rate, then using the excess in Social Security Trust Fund to make up for lost revenues due to his tax cut. This has been going on since 1983.

I, for one, am always skeptical of the proposition of discrediting specific knowledge in favor of an admittedly uninformed position on issues.

chuckie - 9-8-2013 at 05:56 PM

Very pompous....But not very point on...I wonder why you are the only "informed "person"? You must be an educator .....or worse yet a finance wienie.....The word ignorance is used
freely in your posts which are sophomoric at best. Do you have a qualification in ignorance?

Bajaboy - 9-8-2013 at 06:08 PM

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Very pompous....But not very point on...I wonder why you are the only "informed "person"? You must be an educator .....or worse yet a finance wienie.....The word ignorance is used
freely in your posts which are sophomoric at best. Do you have a qualification in ignorance?

Chuckie, some debate an issue others debate the speaker....any idea which one is clueless :?:

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chuckie - 9-8-2013 at 06:31 PM

Prolly me, I'll have to ask Dennis....In any event I am done here...

Simpletons and other miscreants

DaliDali - 9-8-2013 at 06:40 PM

Varied opinions, stupid for not, uninformed or not, simpleton or not, or long diatribes not withstanding......

What we have now with the current leadership is JUST NOT WORKING!!

For the life of me I can't understand why it's so difficult to comprehend that.

Bash the wealthy, bash the poor....praise or bash the leadership, cast blame, toss out "it's not my fault" around and throw up your arms and proclaim
"what difference does it make", macro this and micro that, and if some stupid dolt doesn't see it your way......he/she is indeed a stupid dolt.....

And it remains.......4 plus years later........NOT WORKING!!

DaliDali - 9-8-2013 at 06:43 PM

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Prolly me, I'll have to ask Dennis....In any event I am done here...

Right behind you Mr C

DENNIS - 9-8-2013 at 07:00 PM

Heyyyyy....where'd everybody go? :?:

MitchMan - 9-9-2013 at 06:41 AM

Dennis,
When a person makes an accusation or posits a criticism and then fails to defend challenges to their accusations and criticisms with sufficient or adequate on-point substance or even commensurate logic, there isn't much left for that person to do, except maybe to regurgitate what hey have already said and then simply turn around and run away from the challenge, which is what appears to be the case.

In my responses to them, I used assertions of my own that they failed to counter. The opportunity is there for them to communicate and defend their contentions...anytime..., but, obviously, they couldn't.

DENNIS - 9-9-2013 at 07:01 AM

:lol:

.....if that doesn't get a response, nothing will. :lol:

David K - 9-9-2013 at 07:59 AM

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:lol:

.....if that doesn't get a response, nothing will. :lol:

Oh, and I just heard the Polar Ice Cap is 60% bigger this year then it was last year at this month... when 'they' said it would be vanished... :light:

durrelllrobert - 9-9-2013 at 08:16 AM

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Originally posted by DaliDali

What we have now with the current leadership is JUST NOT WORKING!!

For the life of me I can't understand why it's so difficult to comprehend that.

And it remains.......4 plus years later........NOT WORKING!!

durrelllrobert - 9-9-2013 at 08:19 AM

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Newsmax

Bajahowodd - 9-9-2013 at 04:53 PM

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[ and I agree with you that veterans get plenty of benefits, but i do wish they would quit whining for more

An ultra conservative outlet that makes Fox News appear to be liberal.

Bajahowodd - 9-9-2013 at 04:57 PM

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:lol:

.....if that doesn't get a response, nothing will. :lol:

Oh, and I just heard the Polar Ice Cap is 60% bigger this year then it was last year at this month... when 'they' said it would be vanished... :light:

And that's why many shipping companies are planning to send ships through the Arctic?

This thread has certainly shown a vast diversity of opinion. Great that we all remain friends. I do have to wonder how it is that Doug didn't dump this into Off topic days ago. Pax.

DENNIS - 9-9-2013 at 05:01 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd

An ultra conservative outlet that makes Fox News appear to be liberal.

Irrefutable? Thanks.

bajaguy - 9-9-2013 at 05:02 PM

Hey, Howard....the shipping companies are using icebreakers.

And how about letting Doug run HIS board the way he wants???

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And that's why many shipping companies are planning to send ships through the Arctic?

This thread has certainly shown a vast diversity of opinion. Great that we all remain friends. I do have to wonder how it is that Doug didn't dump this into Off topic days ago. Pax.

In the Championship Standings ...........

MrBillM - 9-10-2013 at 11:24 AM

Mitch needn't worry:

"...............In my responses to them, I used assertions of my own that they failed to counter. The opportunity is there for them to communicate and defend their contentions...anytime..., but, obviously, they couldn't".

Pursuant to the Rules and Regulations established within the forum by the GCCR (Governing Committee on Cognitive Response), THOSE whose defense of their contentions are deemed faulty will be penalized a determined number of Pontificating Puffery points for each infraction AND a Cash Penalty amounting to 1/10 of their entrance fee and will, therefore, shortly find themselves out of Final Consideration for overall Championship status.

The indignity of which will, no doubt, drive them into withdrawal and embarrassed seclusion.

Problem solved.

MitchMan - 9-10-2013 at 12:56 PM

Bill,
Upon a careful reading of your last post here, it looks like you and others owe quite of bit of back penalty money to the GCCR for insufficient and non-existent defenses of your many, many unsupported drive-by contentions.

Hint: The difficulty that you have had in presenting substantive positions together with your glaring monumental failure to support and defend them, is inherent in your (and of those others of like mind) collective and consistent practice of limiting everything you write to a style that can only be described as drive-by accusation.

To make matters worse, your defenses and attempted retaliations most always consist of nothing more than either repeated or additional accusation.

You need only to look in this thread to see that. If you look at other threads, you will see the same thing over and over again: Short 1 to 4 sentences of criticism in the form of accusation and your responses in the same format, virtually always lacking fact and verifiable support. Also, most of the longer posts by those of your persuasion are cut and pasted from a third party.

Well, I guess if you've got nothing, what else can you do?
Yup, you guys owe big money.

I Owe, I Owe ?

MrBillM - 9-10-2013 at 03:50 PM

Ho, Ho, Ho ?

Once I receive a Billing from the GCCR, I will give it prompt attention and I am sure that others will do the same.

That is assuming any questionable billing items are not appealed to the CRABSCAT (Cognitive Response Appeals Board Supervising Coordinating Authority Team) for reconciliation and redress.

Once a final disposition is received and appropriate credit is given to my account for accumulated (compounded) fees paid, I am sure that sufficient funds will be on deposit to account for the percentages in question.

Best Regards.

ALL should be assured that the matters under debate are given the absolute maximum degree of serious consideration to which they are entitled given the consequences any resolution arrived at might affect.

Sincerely.

[Edited on 9-10-2013 by MrBillM]

Bajahowodd - 9-10-2013 at 04:48 PM

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Originally posted by bajaguy
Hey, Howard....the shipping companies are using icebreakers.

And how about letting Doug run HIS board the way he wants???

Quote:

However, just a few years ago, icebreakers did not work.

Frankly, I believe Doug does run the web site as he pleases.

David K - 9-10-2013 at 05:34 PM

That he does... :light: