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playa santa inez

bajamoosey - 9-10-2013 at 06:07 PM

we are new to baja but have fallen in love so please forgive us if we ask a few stupid questions . as well as los naranjos we are also looking at a lot in a small remote subdivision near the middle of playa santa inez . if we build a small casita there will we be getting ripped off continuously . playa santa innes is 6 miles north of mulege .

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David K - 9-10-2013 at 06:10 PM

Where is this 'Playa Santa Innes? Baja has about 3,000 miles of coastline... Thank you and welcome to Nomad!

Mulegena - 9-10-2013 at 06:18 PM

Hi, Moosey
If you're speaking of Los Naranjos and Playa Santa Inez near Mulege you have many options.

Let us know.

mojo_norte - 9-10-2013 at 06:49 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Where is this 'Playa Santa Innes? Baja has about 3,000 miles of coastline... Thank you and welcome to Nomad!

A few miles north of Mulege - look on any map

mulegemichael - 9-10-2013 at 06:52 PM

playa santa inez, is, as moosey said, north of mulege about 8 miles, mas o manos....it's just south of punta chivatos "shell beach" a few miles....one of our "secret" beaches, it's a long grind in but worth it once ya get in there...gotta feeling one of the the failing ranchos in the area is feeling the pinch....this is a prime piece of property with no amenities except beauty...this is a special and beautiful stretch of beach...i have spent many a blissful hour on that beach with my kindle nestled under my canopied beach chair while my woman and dawg roamed the unfettered beach...

mojo_norte - 9-10-2013 at 07:11 PM

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Originally posted by mulegemichael
playa santa inez, is, as moosey said, north of mulege about 8 miles, mas o manos....it's just south of punta chivatos "shell beach" a few miles....one of our "secret" beaches, it's a long grind in but worth it once ya get in there...gotta feeling one of the the failing ranchos in the area is feeling the pinch....this is a prime piece of property with no amenities except beauty...this is a special and beautiful stretch of beach...i have spent many a blissful hour on that beach with my kindle nestled under my canopied beach chair while my woman and dawg roamed the unfettered beach...

Have camped at Playa Santa Inez in the past and it's an amazing pristine semi secret beach . I would think lots would be .. $$$.

rglansing - 9-10-2013 at 07:17 PM

Photos of the beach. German translation.
http://www.baja101.com/chivato1.html

bajaguy - 9-10-2013 at 07:57 PM

If you are new to Baja, don't buy anything. Rent first.

mtnpop - 9-10-2013 at 08:22 PM

Unless I missed something, if one were to buy a lot and build a casita on Inez they would be the only casita there... Lots of beach, sand dunes etc but no residents unless they are really well hidden... if you want any interaction then you need to be around Chivato or one of the beaches south of town..
And after buying first and living through the trials and tribulations among other things, I am apt to agree,, rent for awhile and see where you like to be.. But also there are some bargains to be had around the area if you do your due diligence... Great bunch of very active and friendly folks...

KurtG - 9-10-2013 at 08:35 PM

If there is a subdivision on that beach it is well hidden. A couple of times over the past couple of decades there have been some survey stakes marking something but that is the most development I have seen there unless it has happened in the past few months. We rarely see anyone else on that beach maybe because the road is a bit bad in places. Mulegemichael described exactly why we like to go there.

bajamoosey - 9-10-2013 at 08:47 PM

Hi everyone! You have all given us some great food for thought. There is so much to consider it makes the head :spingrin:

!!! We are looking forward to meeting you guys and gals. All the advice will be taken to heart, filtered and processed according to our needs; of course. Keep posting! We love hearing from you all. Thanks so much ... :yes:

mtnpop - 9-10-2013 at 09:05 PM

I didn't see when you are planning to be in the Mulege area... We would certainly welcome you and would love to meet you when you get there... Even with the hurricanes, etc.. Mulege remains somewhat of a paradise for most of us I believe... I know Mulegemicheal also and I know he would welcome you too.. We will be heading south from Colorado in mid oct for the winter.. Both of us are in the flood zone but still manage to enjoy ourselves... huh? mike?
safe travels folks....

Russ - 9-10-2013 at 09:38 PM

There is or was a group of Mexicans that have a large area fenced off there. I have no idea what they're doing but they weren't in the least bit friendly. I know a couple people that would be interested in selling their lots on that section of the bay. I would also suggest you camp out there for awhile and see if you want to be that isolated.

bajamoosey - 9-10-2013 at 09:45 PM

there is a subdivision there about 30 lots all sold but a few resales available . its been there at least five years just no homes built .thats what the stakes are about . very reasonable prices for waterfront i guess because of the remoteness .

bajaguy - 9-10-2013 at 10:06 PM

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Originally posted by bajamoosey
there is a subdivision there about 30 lots all sold but a few resales available . its been there at least five years just no homes built .thats what the stakes are about . very reasonable prices for waterfront i guess because of the remoteness .

5 years and nothing built????

chuckie - 9-11-2013 at 06:40 AM

No water no electric We go there fairly often..did have stuff lifted so dont get out of sight of the truck anymore...Road in is awful

shari - 9-11-2013 at 07:10 AM

any place in a remote area will be prone to theft....so the best option is to either have a caretaker or not leave any valuables there and shutter it up tight when you are gone.

RnR - 9-11-2013 at 07:25 AM

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5 years and nothing built????

Beachfront lots and nothing built? Not even palapas or old RV's?

There could be some issues with ownership, or environmental agencies, or intimidation, or .......

David K - 9-11-2013 at 09:01 AM

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Originally posted by David K
Where is this 'Playa Santa Innes? Baja has about 3,000 miles of coastline... Thank you and welcome to Nomad!

A few miles north of Mulege - look on any map

This is why place name spelling is so important... There is no Santa Innes on any map... a double n in Spanish is not common either.

Since I asked, I see there was an edit, great! Yes, Playa Santa Inés is on the map, north of Mulegé.

bajabuddha - 9-11-2013 at 10:38 AM

I believe that area is governed and owned by the Ejido de San Lucas. Their rep in business dealings leaves something to be desired; better have an Abogado (Mexican attorney) on your side for the paperwork IF you decide to buy. Also as was mentioned the road in is 5 or 6 miles of a sumbagun, you can make it w/ truck and camper if slow, but any kind of tow vehicle, forget it. Gorgeous beach, but well known for rip-offs, so watch your stuff. There's probably a reason for why nothing has been built out there (some superstructures have been started, now in ruin-state)... i think it's probably due to the road in, and the remoteness.

Happy trails,
bb

absinvestor - 9-11-2013 at 11:05 AM

Been there many times. Beautiful remote beach. We found the beach when talking to the prior Mulege Chief of Police. He gave us directions etc. However, he warned us not to leave anything of value in the parked car. He suggested we leave the windows down so a potential robber didn't break a window to get in (only to find that there was nothing of value inside.) We also had a car top carrier that we left unlocked and open. On our last trip I helped the local Mexican that lives in a camper shell loosen the lug nuts on his flat tire. He didn't speak any English but we visited for a couple of hours about the beach etc. He said not to leave anything of value etc. No violence but lots of petty burglaries etc. The beach is beautiful and we considered building a palapa etc- however, the remote location is ripe for burglaries and it is too easy for anyone to know once you've left they'll have plenty of time to steal your stuff. The terrible road in would get old really quick and you would have to haul your own water from a fairly distant location etc

absinvestor - 9-11-2013 at 11:10 AM

Sorry, originally tried to attach a pic that was too large!!

santa inez beach.JPG - 44kB

bajamoosey - 9-11-2013 at 04:20 PM

lots for sale here already have fideiconiso . ican use a desalinator way cheaper than hauling water. when we visited recently a 2wd vehicle made it with out trouble i can see there are a couple of spots that could get bad . gps showed 3 mi from beach to hwy. but does anybody know if theres a way to get contact info on other owners ,if 30 people got together a care taker would be reasonable

willyAirstream - 9-11-2013 at 05:51 PM

The other 29 are going to pay a caretaker to watch their sand? There are many rumors about this beach and it`s current use.
It is a buyers market here, you can find beach property, with solar, water storage, generators, everything you need for much cheaper than starting from scratch, in a known area.
Suggest you camp in the areas you like, or rent a house and explore. Want something different? Check out the hill side of Coyote.

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mulegemichael - 9-11-2013 at 07:01 PM

good advise, wily/richard...check it out, bro...lots of opportunidads...spend some time...git ta know the folk first....if you like them, construct your life...if you don't, go back to urban america and see how far that gits ya...not a pretty pic, methinks...altho i still claim it as my own!..and always will...HOT TIP!!!....mulege is a really cool community with a tight kinship among it's residents ...we all know and accept each other and grow with every storm............."should that be a bonding issue???".....maybe not...but WE don't care cause it's only water!!!...no....wait a minute???....member how the "water" screwed up the house last time????........yeah...i do...but roz says it "weeds out the weak"...maybe that applied a few years ago but now i feel a little, "weak"...or more...m and r.

David K - 9-12-2013 at 08:02 AM

Is Ricardo Castillo still active in town?

absinvestor - 9-12-2013 at 02:53 PM

I don't know if desalination is practical for shower water etc but maybe you can make it work. You can get to the beach with 2 wheel drive (except after a storm) but after a few trips the drive in and out becomes old quick. I have the cell number and email for the former Mulege chief of police who can steer you in the right direction. I have found him to be really helpful and trustworthy. If you would like his info u2u me. Also, if you want to rent something for a year or so to shop around and get to know the local population he owns several rentals that are within walking distance to Mulege.

cocoscabana - 9-12-2013 at 05:51 PM

Not sure if this is the same property in Santa Ynez, but 6 years ago we were trying to find friends in the Orchard, Mulege. A well dressed Mexican approached, and (to make a long story short) after trying to sell us a casita with no luck, he then showed us grandiose plans for lots at Santa Ynez....bargain price if we bought that same day!!!! (I believe he introduced himself as Roberto or Ricardo, owner/developer of the Casitas in the Orchard).

We often go to Santa Ynez, never seen any construction there. Would not live so isolated, and the "road" aka a goat trail, often floods/washes out.

Rent before you buy! JMHO

mtnpop - 9-12-2013 at 07:18 PM

Nope, this is not Roberto's development... The one he showed you is closer to San Lucas and The Cove Community at San Lucas... I think the only thing there is a big sign with "lots for sale"... He never got anything done on the property... Not sure if he actually sold any lots...
Hurricane Jimena in 09 pretty much kicked his butt in the Orchard.. Then TS Paul last Oct pretty much finished off what he still owns.. There are still about 50 owners in the Orchard that keep cleaning it up and putting it back together.
All of the livable properties in the Orchard are Fideicomiso properties and not leased properties... One of the few parks in area with this.
Several years back there was a 5th wheel out at Inez but it is gone now...
About all you have is beach and sand dunes... don't find many sand dollars lately either..
From my experience only,,, when dealing with the local "developers" be sure to do your due diligence... There are many folks in the area with a wealth of information... more than glad to fill your head...
Too many of us wandered into Mulege for a visit or short vacation and fell in love and had a purchase contract in less than a week... Not all bad but not all good...
Sorry for the too much info stream....now we are getting flooded in Colorado

Alm - 9-12-2013 at 08:11 PM

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Originally posted by bajamoosey
...we are also looking at a lot in a small remote subdivision near the middle of playa santa inez . if we build a small casita there will we be getting ripped off continuously . playa santa innes is 6 miles north of mulege .

Are you trying to buy without seeing it? In a hurry to get rid of your money? This playa is not just a remote subdivision, there is no development at all. You can hardly even see other human dwellings from there. Yes, you will be ripped off continuously. You can't leave there anything other than a camper shell - and an old one at that. In a place like this, even in an old camper you better stay continuously for the duration of the vacation. You take a stroll along the beach for 2 hours, and all the food and small items are gone. Even in a developed gringo-town like those along Mulege river or Concepcion Bay, when you go North forsummer, you better don't leave anything behind, even items of a "camping value". This is Baja, people are poor.

Yes, there are no "casitas" at the future development site called The Cove, South of Sta Rosalia. There are just empty lots and a model home in the middle, guarded 24/7 by somebody, I could see his pickup. There is a fence and a gate, and I personally wouldn't find much to steal there, and yet there is a guard on duty. This tells you something about theft problem in Mexico, doesn't it...

I suggest you find some cheap casita to rent, Mulege probably has some to offer after another flood. Camp there for a season, check the area, talk to people.

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David K - 9-13-2013 at 09:11 AM

Good advice, but I don't think poor people are why there is crime... It is more likely young people who have been taught it is okay to take something earned by others to balance conditions (redistribution of wealth).

absinvestor - 9-13-2013 at 10:48 AM

Does depend on where you live. When we lived at El Burro we often left for the entire day. The palapa has a garage door off the beach patio as a main entrance. That door was never shut (until we left for the US.) All our Mexico belongings from a portable generator to fishing poles to food, to full gas cans, to full propane tanks, refrigerators etc etc were readily accessible to any potential burglar. At certain times of the year there may only be one or two other occupied palapas- both of which are several hundred yards away-so it isn't close neighbors preventing theft. When shopping in Mulege we don't lock our car. We have never had anything stolen. Last year there was a dune buggy stolen from a renter near the lighthouse south of Mulege. I don't know if the dune buggy was recovered but I do know that within a very short period of time word had spread for miles and everyone (mainly Mexican residents) were helping to locate that dune buggy. Different areas produce different results. Definitely rent before buying!!!

Alm - 9-13-2013 at 07:17 PM

David - yes, I think it's younger thieves, and a lot of those are potheads.

Mulege is also not that kind of safe paradise where nothing gets stolen because people know each other. It only takes a heavier than usual hurricane to make them steal things that they normally wouldn't. When caretaker (if there is any) is busy taking care of his own problems. Anything that can be taken quickly, can be taken - tupperware, food cans, fishing poles, you name it. Must be "something in the air" that comes with natural disasters.

David K - 9-14-2013 at 08:34 AM

Probably the Use It or Lose It thinking going on?

monoloco - 9-14-2013 at 10:34 AM

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Originally posted by Alm
David - yes, I think it's younger thieves, and a lot of those are potheads.

Mulege is also not that kind of safe paradise where nothing gets stolen because people know each other. It only takes a heavier than usual hurricane to make them steal things that they normally wouldn't. When caretaker (if there is any) is busy taking care of his own problems. Anything that can be taken quickly, can be taken - tupperware, food cans, fishing poles, you name it. Must be "something in the air" that comes with natural disasters.

Thieving in Baja really got out of hand when methamphetamine became readily available. A large percentage of home break ins around here are by tweakers who have no respect for themselves or anyone else..

absinvestor - 9-14-2013 at 11:09 AM

All I know is I have never had anything stolen in Mulege. I don't lock the car etc. In the rare instance when someone does get something stolen the vendors etc are concerned that it happened and the Mexican population goes out of it's way to find the burglar etc. After hurricanes, chabascos etc I offer whatever I have to help ie canned food, cash etc. I maybe naive but I think they would return the favor.

chuckie - 9-14-2013 at 11:18 AM

Diane and I really like Santa Ynez beach...if th weather is right we now take the boat up there..15 minutes or so...avoid the crappy road and avoid theft....

Alm - 9-14-2013 at 12:01 PM

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Diane and I really like Santa Ynez beach...if th weather is right we now take the boat up there..15 minutes or so...avoid the crappy road and avoid theft....

Sure. Stopped there with a kayak many times. Even camped overnight once, but always stayed close to the camp. Nice to camp, no people - which is precisely the reason why I wouldn't have a casita there

The safest places that I've seen were those without road access, where you could get by boat only. No people - no trouble.

willardguy - 9-14-2013 at 12:11 PM

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Diane and I really like Santa Ynez beach...if th weather is right we now take the boat up there..15 minutes or so...avoid the crappy road and avoid theft....

The safest places that I've seen were those without road access, where you could get by boat only. No people - no trouble.

wasn't it around this time last year all those boats and motors were getting stolen on the east cape "by boat"?

chuckie - 9-14-2013 at 12:25 PM

I dont think Santa Ynez is on the east cape....

Pescador - 9-14-2013 at 12:59 PM

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See, here is the problem with reports about Baja. This account of the Cove development is totally inaccurate. George and Carol Wade are the developers, and that is their house that you saw on the property. They live there full time and that was their pickup, boat, and small Isuzu. There is a house under construction as we speak and another storage / bodega type of building. So the only guard is the owner and he will be glad to try to sell you a lot.

http://www.thecovecommunity.com

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