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Jacumba border backcountry?

Ken Cooke - 9-12-2013 at 08:24 PM

I'm a member of an Off Road club in San Diego called "Just Runs" and they are going on Saturday to 'Jacumba' - http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/justruns/conversations/me...

It looks like it will be a great trip, but currently my Jeep is temporarily out of commission due to having severe steering issues (thanks to my newer set of 35" tires). Has anyone been to Jacumba? I'm sure you see nothing but a beautiful scenery juxtaposed with a large, rusted gate in the background. I'm sure it was a nice destination 10+ or 20+ yrs. ago.

EnsenadaDr - 9-12-2013 at 08:36 PM

I have been doing a lot of traveling along the 94 and I love the back country. It's very peaceful and serene. It's been pretty hot, but should start cooling down now, and I love those little towns like Jacumba and Boulevard, Barrett Junction, Dulzura, Descanso, and the big town of Jamul, in comparison. At one time Jacumba had a Hot Springs Hotel, and they had some very good food the last time I went there. I just looked it up and it looks revamped, with swimming pools filled with natural spring water and some very nice accomodations. http://jacumbaresort.com/

Oh yeah, and if you really want to hit the big time, you can go to the Golden Acorn Casino and get Prime Rib for under $10.!!

[Edited on 9-13-2013 by EnsenadaDr]

DENNIS - 9-12-2013 at 08:50 PM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
and the big town of Jamul,

You mean the Arco station and the nursery?

BajaLuna - 9-12-2013 at 10:38 PM

whoa, talk about a flash back! The Hwy 94 scenic drive is awesome! And be sure and stop at The Barrett Junction Café which is in the middle of nowheresville (Dulzura), a nostalgic funky wild west saloon-ish type place. We like to go there once in awhile when we come back home, as we would go there all the time as kids for their fish fry and hush puppies, so the Barrett Junction Café is one we do for old times sake. The fish fry's are in an old Quonset hut.

A pit stop for bikers, hikers, sunday drivers etc. Lots of history at this place. Actually lots of history in the whole Hwy 94 drive. There is also the old Dulzura Café too. There's a museum in Campo, if I remember correctly. And the desert view tower is out there somewhere too, can't remember exactly where.

When we lived in San Diego we use to love to ride the Hwy 94 back country on our motorcycle and meander and stop in some of these towns. Like Dr said, several small towns to stop in.

Hwy 94 drive is one of the best back country drives in San Diego, you gotta do it in your jeep, for sure!

chuckie - 9-13-2013 at 04:13 AM

In 1956-57 I was stationed in San Diego. We spent weeks in the area south of Jacumba, crossing the border illegally into Mexico. We thought we were prospecting, but in truth had no idea what we looking for. Once we rented some burros and were gone into the desert for a while. I remember camping at a mountain spring that someone had rigged with a pipe into a catch basin. Some mexicans ahorseback joined us at the campsite. Time blurs memory, and likely we didnt know where we were anyhow so I couldnt begin to locate anything now. I found a Spanish helmet and breastplate burried under some cut logs, which I donated to the Museum in San Diego..I did stay at the hotel with the spring water pool sometime in the past 10years. I remember it as a strange place.....

tripledigitken - 9-13-2013 at 04:19 AM

Dulzura Cafe, sorry to say, has been closed for a few years.

J.P. - 9-13-2013 at 04:43 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
and the big town of Jamul,

You mean the Arco station and the nursery?

The Nursery is Past History :yes:

David K - 9-13-2013 at 08:40 AM

Ken, you want to come down here and then hop in my Tacoma and go four wheeling in Jacumba Saturday? Roy (The squarecircle) often joins the Just Runs group trips and has asked me to go in the past. Tomorrow is open for me... I am about 100 miles from Jacumba in San Marcos, and you are about 80 miles north of me, I think?

Edit: Checked the requirements and the only one I don't meet is I don't have a CB radio anymore... if you have something like a handheld CB that we can use in the Tacoma, great.

[Edited on 9-13-2013 by David K]

mtgoat666 - 9-13-2013 at 09:12 AM

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Originally posted by Ken Cooke
I'm a member of an Off Road club in San Diego called "Just Runs" and they are going on Saturday to 'Jacumba' - http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/justruns/conversations/me...

It looks like it will be a great trip, but currently my Jeep is temporarily out of commission due to having severe steering issues (thanks to my newer set of 35" tires). Has anyone been to Jacumba? I'm sure you see nothing but a beautiful scenery juxtaposed with a large, rusted gate in the background. I'm sure it was a nice destination 10+ or 20+ yrs. ago.

just a bit east of jacumba, valley of the moon is beautiful. is a short 4wd to get there. from there you can do a nice hike up monument peak, or just wander around the great granite walls/knobs in valley of the moon. but this is not time of year to go inland, too hot. do it after weather gets cooler.

problem near border is the backcountry roads are crawling with CBP storm troopers

DENNIS - 9-13-2013 at 09:16 AM

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Originally posted by J.P.

The Nursery is Past History :yes:

Really??? That's a sad surprise. Jamul got a lot smaller.

Barry A. - 9-13-2013 at 09:19 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by J.P.

The Nursery is Past History :yes:

Really??? That's a sad surprise. Jamul got a lot smaller.

I thought that Jamul was a thriving residential community?? If I had remained in the San Diego area I always thought that Jamul would be the place to live as it was not as cool as being directly on the coast----a good compromise between coastal-cool and desert-hot.

barry

David K - 9-13-2013 at 09:22 AM

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Originally posted by chuckie
In 1956-57... I found a Spanish helmet and breastplate burried under some cut logs, which I donated to the Museum in San Diego.

How about a follow up on this? Thanks!

J.P. - 9-13-2013 at 09:26 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by J.P.

The Nursery is Past History :yes:

Really??? That's a sad surprise. Jamul got a lot smaller.

The owners decided to close the Nursery a year or so ago all the old trucks and trailers are gone and the plants too the place looks desolate. :yes:

DENNIS - 9-13-2013 at 09:27 AM

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Originally posted by BajaLuna

Hwy 94 drive is one of the best back country drives in San Diego, you gotta do it in your jeep, for sure!

There are a couple of ongoing road hazards to be aware of. One is the Border Patrol. They drive that road in race fashion and are dangerous to everybody around them.
Another is some of the back-country locals who drive just like the BP.
I used to live right on 94 in Jamul so I know what it's like.

However, for an aluminum collector, there's no place like the 94 on a Saturday morning after a night of Mexican workers returning home from a week of hard labor in the states. Tecate cans are knee deep on the side of the road. :yes:

DENNIS - 9-13-2013 at 09:33 AM

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Originally posted by Barry A.

I thought that Jamul was a thriving residential community??

It is that, Barry. Lots of 5 acre ranchitos and other parcels. It would be a nice community to retire in, but maybe not on the 94.

DENNIS - 9-13-2013 at 09:34 AM

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Originally posted by chuckie
I found a Spanish helmet and breastplate burried under some cut logs, which I donated to the Museum in San Diego..

Should have saved those for happy hour, Chuckie. :lol:

J.P. - 9-13-2013 at 09:36 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by BajaLuna

Hwy 94 drive is one of the best back country drives in San Diego, you gotta do it in your jeep, for sure!

94 is one of the most dangerous highways in San Diego County They attribute it to all the different types of vehicles and people. Vacationer's, Bikes, Motorcycles, Commuter's and others. the accident rate is very high.

TMW - 9-13-2013 at 10:34 AM

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Originally posted by Barry A.

I thought that Jamul was a thriving residential community?? If I had remained in the San Diego area I always thought that Jamul would be the place to live as it was not as cool as being directly on the coast----a good compromise between coastal-cool and desert-hot.

barry

I use to hang out at the Branding Iron bar and restaurant with a buddy that lived in the area. I think the place is closed now.

Back in the 80s we rode ATVs (3 wheelers) in the Jacumba area.

BajaLuna - 9-13-2013 at 10:44 AM

WOW Dulzura Café and the Simpson's Nursery are closed now, say it ain't so!

Go for it when u can, it's a great drive!

durrelllrobert - 9-13-2013 at 10:52 AM

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Originally posted by BajaLuna
whoa, talk about a flash back! The Hwy 94 scenic drive is awesome! And be sure and stop at The Barrett Junction Café which is in the middle of nowheresville (Dulzura), a nostalgic funky wild west saloon-ish type place. We like to go there once in awhile when we come back home, as we would go there all the time as kids for their fish fry and hush puppies, so the Barrett Junction Café is one we do for old times sake. The fish fry's are in an old Quonset hut.

A pit stop for bikers, hikers, sunday drivers etc. Lots of history at this place. Actually lots of history in the whole Hwy 94 drive. There is also the old Dulzura Café too. There's a museum in Campo, if I remember correctly. And the desert view tower is out there somewhere too, can't remember exactly where.

When we lived in San Diego we use to love to ride the Hwy 94 back country on our motorcycle and meander and stop in some of these towns. Like Dr said, several small towns to stop in.

Hwy 94 drive is one of the best back country drives in San Diego, you gotta do it in your jeep, for sure!

I remember stopping at the Barrett Junction Café in the 1950s. Back then it only consisted of the Quonset hut that is still the part of the building and that also incorporated an auto repair shop. Some of the photos of that vintage cars on the wall include some that belong to friends of mine.

durrelllrobert - 9-13-2013 at 11:00 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
and the big town of Jamul,

You mean the Arco station and the nursery?

That's where you turn right to take the short cut to the Sycuan casino and Alpine via Harbison Canyon.

durrelllrobert - 9-13-2013 at 11:12 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Barry A.

I thought that Jamul was a thriving residential community??

It is that, Barry. Lots of 5 acre ranchitos and other parcels. It would be a nice community to retire in, but maybe not on the 94.

Not to mention the Indian Village Casino that is one step closer to approval?l:
fox5sandiego.com/2013/04/08/new-casino-proposed-for-jamul

“Location, location, location,” said Robert Mesa, Executive Councilman for the Jamul Indian Village. “We apparently have the best location if we could get something built.”

The tribe wants to build a $360 million Hollywood branded casino. It would be three stories and approximately 200,000 square feet. The casino would feature 1,700 slot machines, 50 live table games including poker. Plans also include multiple restaurants, bars and lounges.

“It’s going to ruin the view and environment here we don’t need that here,” said Gilbert Morales, a resident.

“It’s huge and that’s what we’re concerned about,” said Marcia Spurgeon.

Morales and Spurgeon are part of the group Jamulians against the casino.

“We actually took a survey with all registered voters in Jamul and 97.5 percent did not want a casino out here,” said Spurgeon.

The group cites concerns with the environment and destruction of historical landmarks, but most importantly they point out traffic problems the casino would bring.

“It’s right beside Highway 94,” said Spurgeon. “It’s just a dangerous road, it’s a two lane, it’s a very old highway.”

“More traffic’s going to cause more accidents,” said Morales. “It’s just going to cause a lot of headaches.”

“We’re the closest to downtown 20 to 25 minutes that’s why we’ve been pushing this the whole entire time,” said Mesa.

Tribal leaders said the project was almost two decades in the making. This is the fourth casino project the tribe has proposed.

“We’ve seen all these casinos go up around us so of course we expect to see those same benefits for our tribal members,” said Mesa.

Residents said the tribe’s benefit will be Jamul’s ruin.

“It’s going to ruin the area the landscape and it’s not good for this city,” said Morales.

San Diego County Supervisor Diane Jacob released a statement Monday regarding the Jamul Casino. Jacob also added the project would trigger a traffic nightmare, create fire and other public safety risk and destroy the area’s rural character.

“That’s the last thing this back country community needs,” wrote Supervisor Jacob. “It was a bad idea when the Jamul tribe first proposed a casino, and it’s a bad idea now.”

If approved, construction could begin by end of 2013 and it would take two years to complete.

Read more: http://fox5sandiego.com/2013/04/08/new-casino-proposed-for-j...

[Edited on 9-13-2013 by durrelllrobert]

DavidE - 9-13-2013 at 11:35 AM

Pretty country indeed.

But too many indocumentos remarked that it would not be safe to wilderness camp overnight. I brought this up with CBP and they said the bad guys use FM handhelds and zero in on anyone they can rob then they go back to living in El Cajon illegally. There are a lot of sensors buried within 5KM of the border. Don't be surprised if your cross country jaunt includes a pass-by of the green and white vehicle.

DENNIS - 9-13-2013 at 11:43 AM

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Originally posted by durrelllrobert

“It’s going to ruin the view and environment here we don’t need that here,” said Gilbert Morales, a resident.

“It’s huge and that’s what we’re concerned about,” said Marcia Spurgeon.

Residents said the tribe’s benefit will be Jamul’s ruin.

"The Tribe." Gimmee a break. Their reservation is about the size of a football field.
Where will the funding come from? New Jersey??

DavidE - 9-13-2013 at 01:28 PM

HEY! HEY HEY!

The JoySee Casino Community Development Funding Agency Sez:

"Knock Off With Da Wise Cracks"

"Ya Wanna Go Sleep With The Fishes?"

Ken Cooke - 9-14-2013 at 07:47 PM

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Originally posted by DavidE
Don't be surprised if your cross country jaunt includes a pass-by of the green and white vehicle.

This trip didn't go without a Jeep rollover and plenty of work, winching it back onto its' 4 wheels. A CPB vehicle would have been a welcome sight.

Read on.

The Jeep had a broken left rear window, a severely damaged left door, damage to the front fender, some damage to the hard top and a broken left mirror. it drove fine .but might need to have the alignment checked,

Everyone worked quickly and efficiently to right the Jeep. This reinforces why we Four Wheel in a group rather than alone.. I think we had the Jeep rescued and back on the trail within 30 minutes even though this was a "Tricky" rescue.

Link to Border Trails Run Report 9/14/13

durrelllrobert - 9-15-2013 at 10:18 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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"The Tribe." Gimmee a break. Their reservation is about the size of a football field.
Where will the funding come from? New Jersey??

Jamul Indian Village announced new plans to build a casino after reaching an agreement with Penn National gaming, operator of numerous casinos and racetracks across the U.S. and Canada.

Friday's action on NASDAQ:

Barry A. - 9-15-2013 at 11:49 AM

Something very strange here--------I have really detailed "land status" maps of the area in and around Jamul, and there are no "Indian lands" indicated, tho there are a LOT of Indian Lands within San Diego Country.

Was there some kind of "land exchange" that gave the Indians new lands? (my status maps are about 30 years old) Where exactly is this project slated to be?

On Edit-------I went on line to see what I could find, and yes, there is NOW a 6 acre plot of land along Highway 94 NOW designated as "Jamul Indian Village"--------I wonder how and when the Indians got that set aside as it sure does not show up on the older LandStat maps.

Barry

[Edited on 9-15-2013 by Barry A.]